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Investment PAVILION HILLTOP MONT'KIARA [OWNERS' THREAD], Pavilion is coming to Mont Kiara
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:53 PM) Assume this rental(despite on high side in today's rental mkt in MK) for 1200sf @ 900psf, nett rental yield is 4% max.... this is not attractive to me Jedi do you mind sharing which development with good rental yield?
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:57 PM) You pts are on emotional benefits but I am an investor who only influenced by numbers.... this is a cash flow negative investment to me.... opposite HARTAMAS regency across the road is few hundred psf cheaper and more legs to run Do you mind sharing what is the exactly by buying into Hartamas how you will have positive cash flow..
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:04 PM) This is a trophy buy for those who go for Pavillion brand. I only wish buyers good luck and ask them to buy a stamp album....huhu! I will not try to change your perception, Pavilion is entirely for investor of next level, we are not looking for positive cash flow because we know buying into this "throphy property" means there is less likely many people can afford and this help to fend of speculators and those with almost negative cash flow.
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:24 PM) 1200psf considered luxury? My read your luxury definition is 900psf, MK address, Pavillion branding and only for those gullible water fish with deep pockets to keep this in the stamp album. Phew luckily I am not in this luxury group You said it well, you don't belong to this group, I guess you ill also scratch your head why people will pay more than 30 mil each for Four Season Penthouse, it's just not your kid of game...
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 08:08 PM) I beg to differ on your definition of luxury. Its ok to hv differing views. The readers in this forum are smart ppl who can distinguish fact and fiction, black and white or smoke and mirror. Jedi ,you can perceived yourself as a smart investor and all but there are many point you forget to consider that property play in malaysia is already going into next phase of growth and we can no longer rely on a location to justified the price because you can only charge so high for location, look at MK , UEM/Sunrise knows that Mont Kiara or whatever name they want to put into thier development with MK name cannot bring anymore premium to the price, MK new launches used to be just few hundred ringgit below KLCC's price, but look at KLCC now already few thousand ahead of MK if you look at the different of the latest launches .already at 3K psf level , the different is KLCC is good at attracting Luxury brand ... and that really matter and make a lot of different.....never underestimate Luxury brand, Malaysia is proud to have Jimmy Choo's brand and the next one could be Pavilion. Sad but true and you may not like this...but luxury is used by many rich of well off people to position themselves apart from the rest and some of the country and company know how to p lay this game well look at France and Arnold Bernard the owner of LMVH.
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B.Angela
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Apr 13 2013, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:24 PM) 1200psf considered luxury? My read your luxury definition is 900psf, MK address, Pavillion branding and only for those gullible water fish with deep pockets to keep this in the stamp album. Phew luckily I am not in this luxury group No offence, but I will really not be surprise if you owned a unit at Chow Kit road , luxury come from people's perception a 3,500 sf unit in chow kit for some may be luxury but not for others. Luxury play in everybody's mind without one realizing it probably (just maybe) like you could get offended after the statement above, you could ask me whats wrong with owning a unit at chow kit road, nothing wrong if you ask some people but for others it's a red-light area for bangladesh but the yield of rental, capital appreciation could be higher. For me at least Chow Kit is not my cup of tea and especially knowing that we are in a forum talking about Mont Kiara, many people in this forum are same minded; sophisticated taste for luxury and that itself may not be comprehended by some investor who are looking any area as long as it make money..
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B.Angela
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Apr 13 2013, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:41 AM) Jedi ,you can perceived yourself as a smart investor and all but there are many point you forget to consider that property play in malaysia is already going into next phase of growth and we can no longer rely on a location to justified the price because you can only charge so high for location, look at MK , UEM/Sunrise knows that Mont Kiara or whatever name they want to put into thier development with MK name cannot bring anymore premium to the price, MK new launches used to be just few hundred ringgit below KLCC's price, but look at KLCC now already few thousand ahead of MK if you look at the different of the latest launches .already at 3K psf level , the different is KLCC is good at attracting Luxury brand ... and that really matter and make a lot of different.....never underestimate Luxury brand, Malaysia is proud to have Jimmy Choo's brand and the next one could be Pavilion. Sad but true and you may not like this...but luxury is used by many rich of well off people to position themselves apart from the rest and some of the country and company know how to p lay this game well look at France and Arnold Bernard the owner of LMVH.  Agreed MK11, MK 10, MK 22 and already sounds too generic for me , it's time to bring in the big names.....
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The Jedi
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Apr 13 2013, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:15 AM) Jedi do you mind sharing which development with good rental yield? I can give you a long list but why shld I spoon feed you. Don't be lazy, look out subsale and rental prices in Star classified ads and iProperty and do the maths.
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The Jedi
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Apr 13 2013, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:18 AM) Do you mind sharing what is the exactly by buying into Hartamas how you will have positive cash flow.. Seems you are less familiar with MK areas... Pls go and check out HR prices in newspaper and online property forum and you will understand better
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The Jedi
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Apr 13 2013, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:23 AM) I will not try to change your perception, Pavilion is entirely for investor of next level, we are not looking for positive cash flow because we know buying into this "throphy property" means there is less likely many people can afford and this help to fend of speculators and those with almost negative cash flow. Then good luck to the journey of trophy collection. Investors are smarter nowadays.
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The Jedi
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Apr 13 2013, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:25 AM) You said it well, you don't belong to this group, I guess you ill also scratch your head why people will pay more than 30 mil each for Four Season Penthouse, it's just not your kid of game... If 2 out of millions out there paid 30mil for trophy...it means a shallow represent summer is coming?? I find your analogy is flaw and misleading. You do not have to convince me since I am not a gullible investor.
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:40 AM) I can give you a long list but why shld I spoon feed you. Don't be lazy, look out subsale and rental prices in Star classified ads and iProperty and do the maths. a lazy reply instead....  I though this smart investor must have full analysis up his sleeve...
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:45 AM) Then good luck to the journey of trophy collection. Investors are smarter nowadays. you are the one who said this is throphy, a good property cabn only be decribed as throphy
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The Jedi
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Apr 13 2013, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:41 AM) Jedi ,you can perceived yourself as a smart investor and all but there are many point you forget to consider that property play in malaysia is already going into next phase of growth and we can no longer rely on a location to justified the price because you can only charge so high for location, look at MK , UEM/Sunrise knows that Mont Kiara or whatever name they want to put into thier development with MK name cannot bring anymore premium to the price, MK new launches used to be just few hundred ringgit below KLCC's price, but look at KLCC now already few thousand ahead of MK if you look at the different of the latest launches .already at 3K psf level , the different is KLCC is good at attracting Luxury brand ... and that really matter and make a lot of different.....never underestimate Luxury brand, Malaysia is proud to have Jimmy Choo's brand and the next one could be Pavilion. Sad but true and you may not like this...but luxury is used by many rich of well off people to position themselves apart from the rest and some of the country and company know how to p lay this game well look at France and Arnold Bernard the owner of LMVH.  Pavillion analogy to LVMH and Bernard....I find this funny and amazed with your figment of imagination. If I use your logic, BN brand also a luxury viewing the brand is in existence for many yrs in bolehland. So Jimmy Choo also owns unit in Tiffani located next to this Pavillion hilltop in MK but much cheaper...so Tiffani condo shld be luxury and more affordable, right?
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:48 AM) If 2 out of millions out there paid 30mil for trophy...it means a shallow represent summer is coming?? I find your analogy is flaw and misleading. You do not have to convince me since I am not a gullible investor. This is liking to teaching monkey how to use remote control, for monkey it's just totally not their nature to understand the sophistication.
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The Jedi
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Apr 13 2013, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 13 2013, 10:09 AM) No offence, but I will really not be surprise if you owned a unit at Chow Kit road , luxury come from people's perception a 3,500 sf unit in chow kit for some may be luxury but not for others. Luxury play in everybody's mind without one realizing it probably (just maybe) like you could get offended after the statement above, you could ask me whats wrong with owning a unit at chow kit road, nothing wrong if you ask some people but for others it's a red-light area for bangladesh but the yield of rental, capital appreciation could be higher. For me at least Chow Kit is not my cup of tea and especially knowing that we are in a forum talking about Mont Kiara, many people in this forum are same minded; sophisticated taste for luxury and that itself may not be comprehended by some investor who are looking any area as long as it make money.. Wow, chow kit ppl no standard meh even some bosses there cld own multi millions shoplots there... Guess you are SA for this project, dun simply bring ppl to holland lar. Japan is better!
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:56 AM) Pavillion analogy to LVMH and Bernard....I find this funny and amazed with your figment of imagination. If I use your logic, BN brand also a luxury viewing the brand is in existence for many yrs in bolehland. So Jimmy Choo also owns unit in Tiffani located next to this Pavillion hilltop in MK but much cheaper...so Tiffani condo shld be luxury and more affordable, right? BN brand, Jimmy Choo staying in tifanni that is why Tifanni is luxury... what kind of analogy is this....do you understand what are we talking about or not from the begining? Brand... not BN
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The Jedi
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Apr 13 2013, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 10:54 AM) a lazy reply instead....  I though this smart investor must have full analysis up his sleeve...  I leave this to the wisdom of readers here to judge... They know very well what are rental yield for property in various discussion threads here
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:59 AM) Wow, chow kit ppl no standard meh even some bosses there cld own multi millions shoplots there... Guess you are SA for this project, dun simply bring ppl to holland lar. Japan is better! I think you belong to chow Kit no wonder never fully understand the significant of brand and MK as a prime location for international community... just shut up man.. you are embarrasing us Malaysian in the international community..... I beg you....
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hunterlim
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Apr 13 2013, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 11:02 AM) I leave this to the wisdom of readers here to judge... They know very well what are rental yield for property in various discussion threads here agin tell us what is the yield you have in your portfolio... too stingy to share or actually just an empty shell?
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