Wahh, Prof. Need until buang sekolah ahh? Just beri final warning and fail for that subject enough lohh. Kena buang sekolah means those students punya future and everything will lenyap lohh. Why want so stern? How bad also they are your students mahh, Prof...

This post has been edited by bb100: Jan 22 2013, 12:07 AM

-double post-

This post has been edited by bb100: Jan 22 2013, 12:07 AM

That whats it called University Tendang Menendang (UTM) hehe

yes, the students should've thought of that before stealing other people's works and try to pass it off as their own.

it's bad enough that they are my students, but it would be worse for me if i do not take action against it. plagiarism is crime of the highest order in academia. in practice, people get banned for life from contributing in their areas of expertise for committing plagiarism. they'll get blacklisted and would never publish again, ever.

it's the same in universities. plagiarism is committed knowingly. there has to be a coherent thought process in order to plagiarise. u dont simply "ooops, i've plagiarised some people's works and tried to to pass it off as my own". if we want to be recognised as world class, then do the proper action.

buang sekolah is still considered light. they should be banned from joining other schools as well. but that's just me.

In my opinion, Prof, buang sekolah is a bit too heavy lahh the punishment. It will waste all their years of hard work and sweat. Some more they are first offenders, right? So should at least beri chance lahh sikit. Kasi mereka fail FYP is the furthest I would go, if I were in your shoes, Prof. Because kalau fail FYP, mereka dah tak boleh nak grad. So they would have to re-take their FYP. Kalau re-take pun mereka tak bertaubat, masa tu lahh Prof boleh ambil the sternest action and throw them out.

That's what I think only, Prof. Kalau Prof tak agree ke, atau ada apa-apa pandangan, Prof please share...

the point is, orang yg menipu tak patut bagi grad. they are not worthy of being awarded such credentials. if you cheat now, you will be a bigger cheat in the future.

do you want such people designing your homes? do you want such people to design the school that your kids will go to? knowing that he might cheat on the building materials or construction methods? knowing that such actions might cause the building to collapse and kill you or your children?

yes, it's a whole bunch of what ifs. but it's easier on our conscience if we only award the degrees to those who did not exhibit such behaviours rather than those who did.

i do not care for the future of such people. as far as i'm concerned, these people do not even deserve a future.

I am sure a lot of students do it for assignments and projects to a certain extent - cut and paste material from the internet. That is plagiarism too.
Buang sekolah is too harsh la, it's 5 years of hard work down the drain.
Failing the student for the subject is fair. The student has to spend extra year/semester to repeat the subject. If he commits the crime the second time, then must buang lah.

you're an architect. this is what he did:

took the entire set of final year design project drawings of previous students from a different studio (we have 9 studios), changed the name (and only the name!), and tried to pass it off during the final thesis assessment (viva) as his own.

you tell me what would you do in this case.

plagiarism IS allowed, but to a certain a limit according to each universities' policy but usually it will only be around 10-20% for a bachelor degree. in this case its almost 100% and furthermore its the student's fyp and shouldnt be tolerated so lightly. cutting and pasting info from the internet and paraphrasing is not plagiarismif you quote the source. i guess this is the difference in mentality and standards between some public & private institutions here in malaysia compared to other reputable unis.

my lecturer told me there was a phd student in taiwan got his phd title revoked after he was discovered to plagiarise just ONE SENTENCE in his thesis. and in taiwan, you need at least 6 years to complete your phd. this is how serious plagiarism is looked at in the academic world.

This post has been edited by zstan: Jan 22 2013, 02:12 PM

usually for projects they reduce 20 to 50 percentage for ur marks ,,,

The students actually dug their own graves. The question is : whether you want to bury them or not.

The briefs for the project must have been almost identical, if not how could the two students submit designs done by their seniors from previous years. The same design project was given - how could this have happened? Even if the brief is the same but site is different, this would render the designs inapplicable. From my experience from architectural school, the design briefs are different every year, thus copying is out of question.

The students were very daring but stupid enough to copy the designs wholesale. You would have expected architectural students to be smarter and more creative than that...to be able to copy creatively, modify some parts to avoid being recognized.

The examiners, being architects, could have taken more initiative and be more creative too, by not repeating the same design brief on the same site!

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Jan 22 2013, 02:40 PM

boss, why la ask forum for your utm case?

if found serious plagiarism, it should be the case of school and academy policy to work it out.

but in malaysia, serious plagiarism is putting issue with your school credibility, if you allow, if you dont allowed?

every action of so have consequences.

if FYP people copy, might as well dont do FYP right?

fail the student might be the passive punishment than kick out. but warning should be given out in verbal, if 2nd time found guilty; just kick out.

confirm fail straight. Pure plagiarism & source of previous work is similar. nothing to argue.

if you allow this to go thru, it will purely reflect how failed state the architecture creativity of Malaysia. Mean, our student work = nothing = mean architecture doesn't strive on creativity thinking/ design orientated but rather everyone can copy what singapore have....isnt it obvious.?

Oh mai, I wonder how did he did till master...sigh.

Prof, you went a bit too far with your statements (bolded part) lahh, I must say. Mereka tu buat FYP je, Prof. Bukannya Masters atau PhD. FYP tu tak ada apa-apa contribution towards the academic community of that particular area. Kalau ada pun sikit je, tak sampai 1% pun, I believe. So kalau nak kata design homes ke, design schools ke, that's too early lahh, Prof.

If this is their first offense, I think they deserve a second chance lohh. Kasi fail FYP already is their worst punishment because they would have to repeat for another year just for that particular subject...and the whole school will know about their history. Tapi buang sekolah??? I really could not see the need for that sort of punishment, Prof.

For the underlined part of your post, kalau Prof tak care pasal your students' future, buat apa nak jadi lecturer, Prof? In my opinion lahh Prof, a lecturer should always protect/fight for their students, lebih-lebih lagi mereka tu student FYP Prof.

Since when did Azarimy become a Prof?

Meaning he is a lecturer?

it's not a masters programme. this is still the final few batches of the 5 year BArch programme. the thing is, this is not a bad student. but the audacity to commit this knowingly and assume he wont get caught? either they're really brave/daring or just plain idiots.

i dont care for such people. do read my words properly. i have over 400 other students to care about; those who didnt cheat, didnt commit plagiarism, didnt commit any academic offense. i have legal duty to protect them against cheaters. if i do not push for the severest punishment, then i would not be protecting the interests of the other 400 students.

see my point?

yes, it's just a FYP. but for architecture FYP is the standard that puts u as a practicing architect. when you apply for work, the FYP is the main thing that employers look for, not the CGPA.

some people use american lingo.

Is he not a Prof? Prof as in PROFessor.

This post has been edited by bb100: Jan 22 2013, 10:16 PM

he's a Dr. a phd holder. not yet a professor.