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post Jan 20 2013, 08:59 PM, updated 13y ago

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THE IBAN'S - "A STRONG AND SUCCESSFUL WARRING TRIBE IN ANCIENT TIMES " - THE UNTOLD HISTORY

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The Ibans are a branch of the Dayak peoples of Borneo. The original ancestors of Iban people is originated from Yunnan province China where they migrated to Taiwan and to The Philippines and to Indonesia . In Malaysia, most Ibans are located in Sarawak and a small portion in Sabah. They were formerly known during the colonial period by the British as Sea Dayaks. Ibans were renowned for practising headhunting and tribal/territorial expansion and had a fearsome reputation as a strong and successful warring tribe in ancient times.

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According to oral histories, the Iban arrived in western Sarawak from Indonesia about 1675. After an initial phase of colonising and settling the river valleys, displacing or absorbing the local populations of Bukitans and Serus, a phase of internecine warfare began. Local leaders were forced to resist the tax collectors of the Sultan of Brunei. At the same time, Malay influence is felt, and Iban leaders begin to be known by Malay titles like Orang Kaya. The Bajau and Illanun, coming in galleys from the Philippines plundered in Borneo and were fought by the Iban, for example by the famous Lebor Menoa from Entanak near modern Betong. Oral history recounts how Lebor Menoa encountered Chinese traders who came in ships to the Saribas in order to sell cooking pots, brass pots, pottery bowls, shell armlets and cowry shells for padi. Besides that, the Ibans were also engaged with the Orang Ulu of northern Sarawak, the Bidayuh of southern Sarawak, the Kantu and other Indonesian ethnic tribes from eastern Sarawak. They managed to control the eastern coastline of Sarawak.

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The Malay leader Indra Lela, brother of Lela Wangsa of Lingga and Lela Pelawan incited the Saribas and Skrang Ibans to warfare against the Sebuyau Dayaks in order to control them. The Saribas were led by Orang Kaya Pemancha Dana of the Padeh, in alliance with Linggir Mali Lebu, Bunyau of Entanak and Bulan of Ulu Layar. The Skrang were led by Rentap (Libau), Orang Kaya Gasing and Orang Kaya Ra. About 1834, the Skrang made a raid on Banting Hill, inhabited by Balau Dayaks and Malays, who suffered heavy losses. Three years later, Orang Kaya Pemancha Dana made war on the Undup Ibans who had killed his brother, and utterly defeated them, taking many captives and looting a famous guchi jar that was thought to have magical properties. The surviving Undup Ibans took refuge in the Kapuas valley and Lingga and later settled in the area of Salimbau. Only under the rule of Brooke did they return to Banting hill, which had meanwhile been settled by the Skrang.

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The Sebuyau Sea Dayaks under Orang Kaya Temenggong Jugah of Lundu attacked Paku on the Saribas at about the time. He attacked Matop, and most inhabitants fled. Ca. 1838, the Balau Sea Dayaks raided the Saribas, Krian, a place east of the Saribas, and Skrang under the leadership of Lang and his son-in-law Orang Kaya Janting to avenge their previous losses and revenge for their disturbed peace and harmonies lives. As before the Balau Sea Dayak never has make any engagement with any ethnics since they are just a farmers and lives in a peace and prosperity until the attacked of Saribas and Skrang Iban.

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The Iban fell under the rule of Rajah James Brooke in 1835. The Iban leader Libau (Rentap) resisted Brooke from his fortress on Mount Sadok. The Ibans of Lingga, the Undup Ibans and the Sebuyau fought for Brooke. Those groups of Iban or sea Dayak are known as traitors to Iban people. Ironically, Rentap received full support from Balau Sea Dayak in his missions against Rajah rather than his own sub ethnics.

Thereafter the Iban became vital allies of the Brooke dynasty, with the defeat of both Rentap and later the last rebel leader Asun. Warfare between Dayak peoples continued to be an intermittent problem for the regime until the Great Peacemaking in Kapit in 1924, when the Rajah Vyner also consolidated the support of the Iban by appointing one of their great war heroes Koh Anak Jubang (1870-1956) Temenggong or paramount chief. Koh became a member of the advisory council of the state, the Council Negri, and converted to Christianity in 1949. He was awarded the Queen’s Medal for Chiefs and the Order of the British Empire.

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During the Japanese occupation of Sarawak from 1942-5 the Iban also played a role in guerilla warfare against the occupying forces, particularly in the Kapit Division where headhunting was temporarily revived towards the end of the war. At this time Sarawak came under the temporary military administration of the Australian forces, who were particularly prominent in the liberation of Borneo.

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TLDR question from the text i made up myself:

Since Iban is originated from China and currently has bumi status, does this means that current Malaysia Chinese should be recognized as bumi too? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by G_KeN: Jan 20 2013, 09:12 PM
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(feekle @ Jan 20 2013, 09:00 PM)
Iban checking in...oh wai..ayam 1/2 chinese...
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ayam pun sama lol.
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(feekle @ Jan 20 2013, 09:01 PM)
lol..ngigak moyang kitai ba china din kih..
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nti nda silap aku, iban suba bisi sistem alphabets kediri, ngka nitih ka sistem tulisan bahasa cina kini...

QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:02 PM)
nama berita kitak unggal

aku iban ari Kapit sitak Balleh menua Tun Jugah, bapa kemerdekaan Sarawak
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manah.. aku iban ari menua katibas, pindah ngagai sarikei maya ada. laugh.gif
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(aziratul @ Jan 20 2013, 09:16 PM)
Lol. Dah lama xdengar bhs iban ni.

By the way, im schooling with those Iban and what i learn is every word with 'c' letter in it will have 'h' letter after that.

Correct me if im wrong... tongue.gif
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partially true. tongue.gif

(i said partially becoz im not so sure myself too ahahaha)

chawat, chabik
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jan 20 2013, 09:23 PM)
so now Iban can balik China too??

and cannot buy ASB anymore?? cry.gif
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damage has been done. kenot tarik balik status bumiputera liao
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(seba @ Jan 20 2013, 09:27 PM)
dafuq man

thats like

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

desperate.
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Desperate?
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 20 2013, 09:36 PM)
nadai ulih cayak news tok jang.
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ukai news tu, wai.. aku terbaca tuk dlm wikipedia..
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 20 2013, 09:44 PM)
wikipedia agik la jang
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but i think its kinda legit, u know.

china -> taiwan -> kalimantan
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(kaoshi @ Jan 20 2013, 09:45 PM)
bulak cerita tok kali.
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QUOTE(electronictomato @ Jan 20 2013, 09:46 PM)
the wiki tipu la. my granpa said, actually iban las time fite wif rejang. now that race almost canot heard anymore.
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kinda legit lah.

if u read about history of other natives in borneo, like what listiani had typed, there are similar cultures among them and the taiwanese/chinese
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post Jan 20 2013, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(deanmalenko @ Jan 20 2013, 09:51 PM)
bulakk dikkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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lawa lah liverpool menang kemarin....

QUOTE(izutaisa @ Jan 20 2013, 09:52 PM)
apa pelik? me oso malay = chinese = bumi
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tak ada yg pelik nya.

info lama yg masih ramai tidak tahu.
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(xsaed @ Jan 20 2013, 09:59 PM)
they've been here >500 yrs... live and fought on this land, defend & die on this land
good enuff to be considered as bumiputra
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so there's a certain time length required to entitle bumiputra status? hmm.gif
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Jan 20 2013, 10:00 PM)
sapa tulis tok bisi ka dai otak. enti ari china, nama mua orang iban nadai baka cina.
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bisi mimit.

microevolution


tauka hybrid gene
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:09 PM)
since when chinese doesnt even have clothes on? do they use chopstick?
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if u read like u should have read, you would know that they were not directly migrating from China straight to Borneo.


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post Jan 20 2013, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(haroldz123 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:17 PM)
But chinese sarawakian owez called ibans or dayaks, lakia, a derogatory term

Even in past, the ibans are divided..so mcm mana mau tumbangkan si rambut putih itu
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becoz they didnt know about this?

and they were power greedy? ohmy.gif
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:18 PM)
not a problem. being non-bumi isn't a problem at all. it's another choice available, chosen freely without force.
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it is a problem. (especially when we're talking about equality of power and benefits)

and it is not a choice. (especially when the status is only applicable to certain races and those races only) laugh.gif
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QUOTE(99killer @ Jan 20 2013, 10:22 PM)
wow so racist but still not nuked
gj mods
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What's so racist about a wiki article pointing out that iban was originated from china?
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:24 PM)
ah. that's because chinese leaders back then aren't far sighted like the iban leaders.

yes it's a choice. nobody force you. you don't know cos you never live in a communist govt like indonesia.
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what i meant about not having the choice is that, for eg, you're a chinese, u cant just simply apply for bumiputra status because its not a choice to begin with.

but if you're talking about pre-merdeka leaders negotiating bumiputra status for their respective races, then that's a diff story-lah.
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(99killer @ Jan 20 2013, 10:36 PM)
this is a racist thread supported by mods
anything posted in here should never be taken seriously
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weeerrtt??

lol, why makes u think this thread is racist?
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:37 PM)
reported
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why? i dont see anything racist in his post.
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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:40 PM)
The current statistics is bumi population is 67%. I think when bumi population reach 80% bumi status will be discontinue bcoz no point subsidize 80% population against 20% of the population. Wouldn't work. I think Indonesia has only 5% or less non pri bumi population there no bumi policy was necessary.
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eh, why u quote my non-relevant post? laugh.gif

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