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post Jan 20 2013, 08:59 PM, updated 13y ago

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THE IBAN'S - "A STRONG AND SUCCESSFUL WARRING TRIBE IN ANCIENT TIMES " - THE UNTOLD HISTORY

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The Ibans are a branch of the Dayak peoples of Borneo. The original ancestors of Iban people is originated from Yunnan province China where they migrated to Taiwan and to The Philippines and to Indonesia . In Malaysia, most Ibans are located in Sarawak and a small portion in Sabah. They were formerly known during the colonial period by the British as Sea Dayaks. Ibans were renowned for practising headhunting and tribal/territorial expansion and had a fearsome reputation as a strong and successful warring tribe in ancient times.

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According to oral histories, the Iban arrived in western Sarawak from Indonesia about 1675. After an initial phase of colonising and settling the river valleys, displacing or absorbing the local populations of Bukitans and Serus, a phase of internecine warfare began. Local leaders were forced to resist the tax collectors of the Sultan of Brunei. At the same time, Malay influence is felt, and Iban leaders begin to be known by Malay titles like Orang Kaya. The Bajau and Illanun, coming in galleys from the Philippines plundered in Borneo and were fought by the Iban, for example by the famous Lebor Menoa from Entanak near modern Betong. Oral history recounts how Lebor Menoa encountered Chinese traders who came in ships to the Saribas in order to sell cooking pots, brass pots, pottery bowls, shell armlets and cowry shells for padi. Besides that, the Ibans were also engaged with the Orang Ulu of northern Sarawak, the Bidayuh of southern Sarawak, the Kantu and other Indonesian ethnic tribes from eastern Sarawak. They managed to control the eastern coastline of Sarawak.

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The Malay leader Indra Lela, brother of Lela Wangsa of Lingga and Lela Pelawan incited the Saribas and Skrang Ibans to warfare against the Sebuyau Dayaks in order to control them. The Saribas were led by Orang Kaya Pemancha Dana of the Padeh, in alliance with Linggir Mali Lebu, Bunyau of Entanak and Bulan of Ulu Layar. The Skrang were led by Rentap (Libau), Orang Kaya Gasing and Orang Kaya Ra. About 1834, the Skrang made a raid on Banting Hill, inhabited by Balau Dayaks and Malays, who suffered heavy losses. Three years later, Orang Kaya Pemancha Dana made war on the Undup Ibans who had killed his brother, and utterly defeated them, taking many captives and looting a famous guchi jar that was thought to have magical properties. The surviving Undup Ibans took refuge in the Kapuas valley and Lingga and later settled in the area of Salimbau. Only under the rule of Brooke did they return to Banting hill, which had meanwhile been settled by the Skrang.

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The Sebuyau Sea Dayaks under Orang Kaya Temenggong Jugah of Lundu attacked Paku on the Saribas at about the time. He attacked Matop, and most inhabitants fled. Ca. 1838, the Balau Sea Dayaks raided the Saribas, Krian, a place east of the Saribas, and Skrang under the leadership of Lang and his son-in-law Orang Kaya Janting to avenge their previous losses and revenge for their disturbed peace and harmonies lives. As before the Balau Sea Dayak never has make any engagement with any ethnics since they are just a farmers and lives in a peace and prosperity until the attacked of Saribas and Skrang Iban.

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The Iban fell under the rule of Rajah James Brooke in 1835. The Iban leader Libau (Rentap) resisted Brooke from his fortress on Mount Sadok. The Ibans of Lingga, the Undup Ibans and the Sebuyau fought for Brooke. Those groups of Iban or sea Dayak are known as traitors to Iban people. Ironically, Rentap received full support from Balau Sea Dayak in his missions against Rajah rather than his own sub ethnics.

Thereafter the Iban became vital allies of the Brooke dynasty, with the defeat of both Rentap and later the last rebel leader Asun. Warfare between Dayak peoples continued to be an intermittent problem for the regime until the Great Peacemaking in Kapit in 1924, when the Rajah Vyner also consolidated the support of the Iban by appointing one of their great war heroes Koh Anak Jubang (1870-1956) Temenggong or paramount chief. Koh became a member of the advisory council of the state, the Council Negri, and converted to Christianity in 1949. He was awarded the Queen’s Medal for Chiefs and the Order of the British Empire.

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During the Japanese occupation of Sarawak from 1942-5 the Iban also played a role in guerilla warfare against the occupying forces, particularly in the Kapit Division where headhunting was temporarily revived towards the end of the war. At this time Sarawak came under the temporary military administration of the Australian forces, who were particularly prominent in the liberation of Borneo.

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TLDR question from the text i made up myself:

Since Iban is originated from China and currently has bumi status, does this means that current Malaysia Chinese should be recognized as bumi too? hmm.gif

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Iban checking in...oh wai..ayam 1/2 chinese...
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QUOTE(feekle @ Jan 20 2013, 09:00 PM)
Iban checking in...oh wai..ayam 1/2 chinese...
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ayam pun sama lol.
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 09:00 PM)
ayam pun sama lol.
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lol..ngigak moyang kitai ba china din kih..
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nama berita kitak unggal

aku iban ari Kapit sitak Balleh menua Tun Jugah, bapa kemerdekaan Sarawak
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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:02 PM)
nama berita kitak unggal

aku iban ari Kapit sitak Balleh menua Tun Jugah, bapa kemerdekaan Sarawak
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bulak tongue.gif xda bah
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QUOTE(Sha91 @ Jan 20 2013, 09:04 PM)
bulak tongue.gif xda bah
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amat sulu wub.gif

nama nuan enda ngemai ke aku kek lapis kuching
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QUOTE(feekle @ Jan 20 2013, 09:01 PM)
lol..ngigak moyang kitai ba china din kih..
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nti nda silap aku, iban suba bisi sistem alphabets kediri, ngka nitih ka sistem tulisan bahasa cina kini...

QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:02 PM)
nama berita kitak unggal

aku iban ari Kapit sitak Balleh menua Tun Jugah, bapa kemerdekaan Sarawak
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manah.. aku iban ari menua katibas, pindah ngagai sarikei maya ada. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 09:06 PM)
nti nda silap aku, iban suba bisi sistem alphabets kediri, ngka nitih ka sistem tulisan bahasa cina kini...
manah.. aku iban ari menua katibas, pindah ngagai sarikei maya ada.  laugh.gif
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pelaba aku meh.. kitai tu peturun orang menua Atlantis suba biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:02 PM)
nama berita kitak unggal

aku iban ari Kapit sitak Balleh menua Tun Jugah, bapa kemerdekaan Sarawak
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Kami asal ari baram.....nyo dah diau ba negeri, jarang pulai benua agik dah..
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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:04 PM)
amat sulu wub.gif

nama nuan enda ngemai ke aku kek lapis kuching
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nadai duit
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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:10 PM)
pelaba aku meh.. kitai tu peturun orang menua Atlantis suba biggrin.gif
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apu..raya ga nya...
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QUOTE(feekle @ Jan 20 2013, 09:12 PM)
Kami asal ari baram.....nyo dah diau ba negeri, jarang pulai benua agik dah..
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ba semenanjung pia..
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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:13 PM)
ba semenanjung pia..
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Ukai...d miri wai
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QUOTE(feekle @ Jan 20 2013, 09:15 PM)
Ukai...d miri wai
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Lol. Dah lama xdengar bhs iban ni.

By the way, im schooling with those Iban and what i learn is every word with 'c' letter in it will have 'h' letter after that.

Correct me if im wrong... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aziratul @ Jan 20 2013, 09:16 PM)
Lol. Dah lama xdengar bhs iban ni.

By the way, im schooling with those Iban and what i learn is every word with 'c' letter in it will have 'h' letter after that.

Correct me if im wrong... tongue.gif
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CEH?
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QUOTE(aziratul @ Jan 20 2013, 09:16 PM)
Lol. Dah lama xdengar bhs iban ni.

By the way, im schooling with those Iban and what i learn is every word with 'c' letter in it will have 'h' letter after that.

Correct me if im wrong... tongue.gif
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partially true. tongue.gif

(i said partially becoz im not so sure myself too ahahaha)

chawat, chabik
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QUOTE(aziratul @ Jan 20 2013, 09:16 PM)
Lol. Dah lama xdengar bhs iban ni.

By the way, im schooling with those Iban and what i learn is every word with 'c' letter in it will have 'h' letter after that.

Correct me if im wrong... tongue.gif
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capuh
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OK all Chinese are bumi - now go rule the country laugh.gif
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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:19 PM)
CEH?
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 09:19 PM)
partially true. tongue.gif

(i said partially becoz im not so sure myself too ahahaha)

chawat, chabik
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I dont know tongue.gif I got myself C on primary school Iban language before. Lol

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so now Iban can balik China too??

and cannot buy ASB anymore?? cry.gif
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jan 20 2013, 09:23 PM)
so now Iban can balik China too??

and cannot buy ASB anymore?? cry.gif
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tongue.gif

damage has been done. kenot tarik balik status bumiputera liao
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thats like

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

desperate.
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jan 20 2013, 09:23 PM)
so now Iban can balik China too??

and cannot buy ASB anymore?? cry.gif
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Sarawakian people is different from Malaya you know. The rules here not apply to other state except Sabah (they have they own benefits too) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(seba @ Jan 20 2013, 09:27 PM)
dafuq man

thats like

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

desperate.
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Desperate?
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jan 20 2013, 09:23 PM)
so now Iban can balik China too??

and cannot buy ASB anymore?? cry.gif
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iban balik cina
malay balik indon
cina balik china
india balik india
sabah balik filipina

tinngal james brooke n family and sultan brunei saja
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So we are all bumiputera? rclxm9.gif
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nadai ulih cayak news tok jang.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 20 2013, 09:36 PM)
nadai ulih cayak news tok jang.
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ukai news tu, wai.. aku terbaca tuk dlm wikipedia..
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damn~ you dont want to mess with them muffakas.. if u want yo head to still be on your neck.


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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 09:42 PM)
ukai news tu, wai.. aku terbaca tuk dlm wikipedia..
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wikipedia agik la jang
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the wiki tipu la. my granpa said, actually iban las time fite wif rejang. now that race almost canot heard anymore.
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Eh, kadazan people pun mereka bilang dari keturunan cina di taiwan. Cuba tgk ada 1 tribe di Taiwan (lupa nama tribe tu tp Ah Mei Taiwanese singer come from that tribe) baju, aksesori sama mcm orang Kadazan di Sabah. Waktu tribe dari Taiwan dtg Sabah buat cultural peformance, masing2 terkejut tgk costume & aksesori sama. So kena selidik juga ni.

QUOTE(aziratul @ Jan 20 2013, 09:28 PM)
Sarawakian people is different from Malaya you know. The rules here not apply to other state except Sabah (they have they own benefits too)  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 20 2013, 09:44 PM)
wikipedia agik la jang
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but i think its kinda legit, u know.

china -> taiwan -> kalimantan
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QUOTE(kaoshi @ Jan 20 2013, 09:45 PM)
bulak cerita tok kali.
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QUOTE(electronictomato @ Jan 20 2013, 09:46 PM)
the wiki tipu la. my granpa said, actually iban las time fite wif rejang. now that race almost canot heard anymore.
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kinda legit lah.

if u read about history of other natives in borneo, like what listiani had typed, there are similar cultures among them and the taiwanese/chinese
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apa pelik? me oso malay = chinese = bumi
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QUOTE(deanmalenko @ Jan 20 2013, 09:51 PM)
bulakk dikkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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QUOTE(izutaisa @ Jan 20 2013, 09:52 PM)
apa pelik? me oso malay = chinese = bumi
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tak ada yg pelik nya.

info lama yg masih ramai tidak tahu.
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QUOTE(Listiani @ Jan 20 2013, 09:46 PM)
Eh, kadazan people pun mereka bilang dari keturunan cina di taiwan. Cuba tgk ada 1 tribe di Taiwan (lupa nama tribe tu tp Ah Mei Taiwanese singer come from that tribe) baju, aksesori sama mcm orang Kadazan di Sabah. Waktu tribe dari Taiwan dtg Sabah buat cultural peformance, masing2 terkejut tgk costume & aksesori sama. So kena selidik juga ni.
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hmm.. i kinda remember i have read the news somewhere.
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QUOTE(xsaed @ Jan 20 2013, 09:59 PM)
they've been here >500 yrs... live and fought on this land, defend & die on this land
good enuff to be considered as bumiputra
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so there's a certain time length required to entitle bumiputra status? hmm.gif
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sapa tulis tok bisi ka dai otak. enti ari china, nama mua orang iban nadai baka cina.
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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Jan 20 2013, 10:00 PM)
sapa tulis tok bisi ka dai otak. enti ari china, nama mua orang iban nadai baka cina.
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bisi mimit.

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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Jan 20 2013, 10:00 PM)
sapa tulis tok bisi ka dai otak. enti ari china, nama mua orang iban nadai baka cina.
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mayuh wai iban chinese look

di nadai nemu

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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Jan 20 2013, 10:00 PM)
sapa tulis tok bisi ka dai otak. enti ari china, nama mua orang iban nadai baka cina.
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sapa madah nadaii..sepet mimit mata..cina meh nyak..haha
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since when chinese doesnt even have clothes on? do they use chopstick?
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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:09 PM)
since when chinese doesnt even have clothes on? do they use chopstick?
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nice. generalise some more
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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:09 PM)
since when chinese doesnt even have clothes on? do they use chopstick?
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if u read like u should have read, you would know that they were not directly migrating from China straight to Borneo.


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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 08:59 PM)

Since Iban is originated from China and currently has bumi status, does this means that current Malaysia Chinese should be recognized as bumi too? hmm.gif
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Nope Msian Chinese, Indian, cannot. Because they still celebrate their ancestorial celebration and speak their language.

That's why mamak are clever. They drop their culture, adopt a new one in the new one and assimilate.

Iban are cleverer, migrate from China, create your own culture in a new land by pancong ppl's head, and live and stay here.
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:11 PM)
Nope Msian Chinese, Indian, cannot. Because they still celebrate their ancestorial celebration and speak their language.

That's why mamak are clever. They drop their culture, adopt a new one in the new one and assimilate.

Iban are cleverer, migrate from China, create your own culture in a new land by pancong ppl's head, and live and stay here.
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so what's the problem with celebrating and speaking their language?
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 09:11 PM)
Nope Msian Chinese, Indian, cannot. Because they still celebrate their ancestorial celebration and speak their language.

That's why mamak are clever. They drop their culture, adopt a new one in the new one and assimilate.

Iban are cleverer, migrate from China, create your own culture in a new land by pancong ppl's head, and live and stay here.
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:11 PM)
Nope Msian Chinese, Indian, cannot. Because they still celebrate their ancestorial celebration and speak their language.

That's why mamak are clever. They drop their culture, adopt a new one in the new one and assimilate.

Iban are cleverer, migrate from China, create your own culture in a new land by pancong ppl's head, and live and stay here.
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But chinese sarawakian owez called ibans or dayaks, lakia, a derogatory term

Even in past, the ibans are divided..so mcm mana mau tumbangkan si rambut putih itu
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so what's the problem with celebrating and speaking their language?
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not a problem. being non-bumi isn't a problem at all. it's another choice available, chosen freely without force.
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QUOTE(haroldz123 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:17 PM)
But chinese sarawakian owez called ibans or dayaks, lakia, a derogatory term

Even in past, the ibans are divided..so mcm mana mau tumbangkan si rambut putih itu
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becoz they didnt know about this?

and they were power greedy? ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(haroldz123 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:17 PM)
But chinese sarawakian owez called ibans or dayaks, lakia, a derogatory term

Even in past, the ibans are divided..so mcm mana mau tumbangkan si rambut putih itu
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who cares what chinese sarawakian label dayaks. it just showed how uncivilized and uncultured they are.
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:18 PM)
not a problem. being non-bumi isn't a problem at all. it's another choice available, chosen freely without force.
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it is a problem. (especially when we're talking about equality of power and benefits)

and it is not a choice. (especially when the status is only applicable to certain races and those races only) laugh.gif
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wow so racist but still not nuked
gj mods
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 10:21 PM)
it is a problem. (especially when we're talking about equality of power and benefits)

and it is not a choice. (especially when the status is only applicable to certain races and those races only) laugh.gif
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ah. that's because chinese leaders back then aren't far sighted like the iban leaders.

yes it's a choice. nobody force you. you don't know cos you never live in a communist govt like indonesia.
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QUOTE(99killer @ Jan 20 2013, 10:22 PM)
wow so racist but still not nuked
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What's so racist about a wiki article pointing out that iban was originated from china?
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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Jan 20 2013, 09:29 PM)
iban balik cina
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cina balik china
india balik india
sabah balik filipina

tinngal james brooke n family and sultan brunei saja
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this is a racist thread supported by mods
anything posted in here should never be taken seriously
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Im mix blooded chinese + iban.. how?
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:24 PM)
ah. that's because chinese leaders back then aren't far sighted like the iban leaders.

yes it's a choice. nobody force you. you don't know cos you never live in a communist govt like indonesia.
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what i meant about not having the choice is that, for eg, you're a chinese, u cant just simply apply for bumiputra status because its not a choice to begin with.

but if you're talking about pre-merdeka leaders negotiating bumiputra status for their respective races, then that's a diff story-lah.
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QUOTE(99killer @ Jan 20 2013, 10:36 PM)
this is a racist thread supported by mods
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weeerrtt??

lol, why makes u think this thread is racist?
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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:37 PM)
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why? i dont see anything racist in his post.
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What's so racist about a wiki article pointing out that iban was originated from china?
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The current statistics is bumi population is 67%. I think when bumi population reach 80% bumi status will be discontinue bcoz no point subsidize 80% population against 20% of the population. Wouldn't work. I think Indonesia has only 5% or less non pri bumi population there so no bumi policy was necessary.

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Sarawakian people is different from Malaya you know. The rules here not apply to other state except Sabah (they have they own benefits too)  tongue.gif
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Based on Sejarah Tingkatan 3, Sabah and Sarawak Rules are based on their on, None related to Pen. Malaysia laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:40 PM)
The current statistics is bumi population is 67%. I think when bumi population reach 80% bumi status will be discontinue bcoz no point subsidize 80% population against 20% of the population. Wouldn't work. I think Indonesia has only 5% or less non pri bumi population there no bumi policy was necessary.
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eh, why u quote my non-relevant post? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:37 PM)
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Mind telling me what's wrong with my post? I don't see anything wrong, whereas your sig looks a bit more discriminating doesn't it?
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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:40 PM)
The current statistics is bumi population is 67%. I think when bumi population reach 80% bumi status will be discontinue bcoz no point subsidize 80% population against 20% of the population. Wouldn't work. I think Indonesia has only 5% or less non pri bumi population there so no bumi policy was necessary.
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there's no point in subsidizing based on race in the first place
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Mind telling me what's wrong with my post? I don't see anything wrong, whereas your sig looks a bit more discriminating doesn't it?
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he's reporting ur overly large sig laugh.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 10:41 PM)
eh, why u quote my non-relevant post? laugh.gif
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well if they include chinese as bumi. The everybody should be. Then 100% population is bumi. So why implement bumi policy when 100% population is bumi. Might as well scrap the bumi status entirely.
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 10:36 PM)
what i meant about not having the choice is that, for eg, you're a chinese, u cant just simply apply for bumiputra status because its not a choice to begin with.

but if you're talking about pre-merdeka leaders negotiating bumiputra status for their respective races, then that's a diff story-lah.
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who say cannot. yes you can.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Jan 20 2013, 10:43 PM)
there's no point in subsidizing based on race in the first place
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Ya, wat I mean like if subsidize too big a popluation you wont able to afford for long. So eventually they have to stop due to shortage of resources. But BN wont stop bcoz its unfair to non bumi citizen,but bcoz they cant afford in future. They will never cow down to chinese, indian pressure. When they stop its bcoz they cant afford it.

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who say cannot. yes you can.
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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:45 PM)
well if they include chinese as bumi. The everybody should be. Then 100% population is bumi. So why implement bumi policy when 100% population is bumi. Might as well scrap the bumi status entirely.
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which is why i question whether or not chinese too should be considered as bumi base on the said article.
then wouldnt it be unfair for iban to get bumiputra status if they were indeed originated from china like malaysian chinese?

QUOTE(georgie99 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:46 PM)
Tulisan iban kelia.nama iya turai..
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oh ya kah? bisi gambar kah tulisan turai nyak?
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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:41 PM)
he has a fcking large sig, annoying as hell
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lol, there. Why so aggressive all of the sudden? I'd appreciate if you didn't just say "reported" with no explanation whatsoever.

Why, butthurt? something crawled up your ass? thumbup.gif

On topic: Of course they'll never agree to give bumi rights to the Chinese, even if the Ibans were from China originally. As a Chinese, I think this is not a question of racism, but logic. You can't give special rights the whole Malaysian population in the end!
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 10:51 PM)
which is why i question whether or not chinese too should be considered as bumi base on the said article.
then wouldnt it be unfair for iban to get bumiputra status if they were indeed originated from china like malaysian chinese?
oh ya kah? bisi gambar kah tulisan turai nyak?
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so your solution is strip ibans of bumi status so tat you can prove your point? Aiya you know tis wont happen, not in a million life times. Why you like to write tis type of thread tat you know wont made any difference. It only shows you are butt hurt person and have nothing better to do. Maybe you probably dont even have a job. Bcoz working ppl dont have time for tis nonsense. You only projecting yourself as the ultimate loser bcoz tis all you have. biggrin.gif

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wtf?? if you want to draw this type of conclusion, then we are all related and we are all Africans.

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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 11:01 PM)
there should be no special rights for anyone.
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I do agree with that one though, but don't say it too loudly. I'm always confused: Isn't it illegal to talk bout all that?

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Sabahan and Sarawakian bumi got the same rights as Malay..it's in the Constitution. Read the social contract article. That is the agreement that been made for Sabah and Sarawak to join with Malaya to form Malaysia Federation.
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On paper only. Truth is, many bumis Sabahan (not sure about Sarawakian) got sideline because pilaks taking over our state.

QUOTE(Emanyshie @ Jan 20 2013, 11:05 PM)
Sabahan and Sarawakian bumi got the same rights as Malay..it's in the Constitution. Read the social contract article. That is the agreement that been made for Sabah and Sarawak to join with Malaya to form Malaysia Federation.
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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 11:01 PM)
there should be no special rights for anyone.
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It was agreed upon by ur own ancestor. read the social contract.

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I am not my ancestor.
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then by your logic, chinese and indian shoulnt be given kewargenaraan at all since you dont want to acknowledge it.


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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 11:39 PM)
My IC is evidence of my citizenship, it doesn't matter if I acknowledge or not, I am a citizen of the Federation of Malaysia, that is a fact.
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baca balik la kontrak sosial tu apa.

your citizenship is the post result of your ancestor decision. deal and live with it. if you want to challenge the rights, then we also want to challenge the validity of your citizenship since the contract were made by our ancestor not by us.

your call.

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It was agreed upon by ur own ancestor. read the social contract.
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doesn't justify it.
also, where's the supposed review of the policy every 10 years?
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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 11:46 PM)
sure, our citizenship has been questioned for most of the country's history anyway, it won't be anything new. The social contract should be reexamined, and edited to fit modern times.
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then dont push your luck. be grateful nothing happened eventhough it was being questioned (as you puts it).

you guys dont shove our back, we dont shove ur guy's back.
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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 20 2013, 10:59 PM)
so your solution is strip ibans of bumi status so tat you can prove your point? Aiya you know tis wont happen, not in a million life times. Why you like to write tis type of thread tat you know wont made any difference. It only shows you are butt hurt person and have nothing better to do. Maybe you probably dont even have a job. Bcoz working ppl dont have time for tis nonsense. You only projecting yourself as the ultimate loser bcoz tis all you have. biggrin.gif
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aiyah i was just trying to make a case, without taking into consideration bumiputra benefits.
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iban and other dayaks are part of rumpun melayu. so, iban = melayu

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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Jan 20 2013, 11:50 PM)
then dont push your luck. be grateful nothing happened eventhough it was being questioned (as you puts it).

you guys dont shove our back, we dont shove ur guy's back.
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discriminatory policy isn't a right. it's a discrimination. those who believe in equality and basic human rights will keep questioning it.

so what will happen? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 20 2013, 11:57 PM)
There is pretty much 0 chance of our citizenship of being revoked, but the chances of having equality for all races in Malaysia is higher, so I'm not worried.
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well's that remain to be seen. i'm sure when the days come, both side will realize its better to respect what our ancestor did back then.
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go read the law. doh.gif
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i mean if fit the criteria, where to apply?
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if bumi? wat benefit can get?

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then dont push your luck. be grateful nothing happened eventhough it was being questioned (as you puts it).

you guys dont shove our back, we dont shove ur guy's back.
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simple question : is it right to be discriminated?
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hopefully more malays will mature and believe in equality and basic human rights.
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equality doesnt mean justice. put that in ur mind.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Jan 20 2013, 11:42 PM)
baca balik la kontrak sosial tu apa.

your citizenship is the post result of your ancestor decision. deal and live with it. if you want to challenge the rights, then we also want to challenge the validity of your citizenship since the contract were made by our ancestor not by us.

your call.
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Don't really mind, because citizenship were given to Chinese and Indian that time to present a united front to seek independence from British. If citizenship is challenged, then there is something more important that we can challenge too.
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equality doesnt mean justice. put that in ur mind.
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what justice do you need?
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QUOTE(karp29 @ Jan 21 2013, 12:17 AM)
I think it has more to do with culture rather than race.
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ntah he wont tell me oso
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Jan 21 2013, 12:06 AM)
equality doesnt mean justice. put that in ur mind.
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equality and fairness is the basis justice.
discrimination is wrong no matter what. put that in your heart and mind.
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QUOTE(Listiani @ Jan 20 2013, 11:27 PM)
On paper only. Truth is, many bumis Sabahan (not sure about Sarawakian) got sideline because pilaks taking over our state.
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well, we all know too well who's fault is that...
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jegga and dean is abang issit?
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i mean if fit the criteria, where to apply?
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QUOTE(Big_Bad_Wolfgang @ Jan 21 2013, 12:07 AM)
Don't really mind, because citizenship were given to Chinese and Indian that time to present a united front to seek independence from British. If citizenship is challenged, then there is something more important that we can challenge too.
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i hear there is good internet connections on boats nowadays
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nti nda silap aku, iban suba bisi sistem alphabets kediri, ngka nitih ka sistem tulisan bahasa cina kini...
manah.. aku iban ari menua katibas, pindah ngagai sarikei maya ada.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xsaed @ Jan 20 2013, 09:59 PM)
they've been here >500 yrs... live and fought on this land, defend & die on this land
good enuff to be considered as bumiputra
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:11 PM)
Nope Msian Chinese, Indian, cannot. Because they still celebrate their ancestorial celebration and speak their language.

That's why mamak are clever. They drop their culture, adopt a new one in the new one and assimilate.

Iban are cleverer, migrate from China, create your own culture in a new land by pancong ppl's head, and live and stay here.
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iban no celebrate their ancestorial and speak own language already?

if like this arent mamak is considered somekind of traitor and shame to their origin hmm.gif

totally agree the point for iban lol, create own culture by pancong ppl head sweat.gif
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iban no celebrate their ancestorial and speak own language already?

if like this arent mamak is considered somekind of traitor and shame to their origin hmm.gif

totally agree the point for iban lol, create own culture by pancong ppl head sweat.gif
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of course they do, cos we create a new one.

traitor and shame, it's subjective and depends on each and individual reason.

remember that we have freedom to choose, that's why it doesn't apply. while majority indians that come to Malaya are Hindu, minority aren't. Also, not all work in estate, so when you live at different place, you tend to assimilate with those around you.

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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 21 2013, 01:34 PM)
of course they do, cos we create a new one.

traitor and shame, it's subjective and depends on each and individual reason.

remember that we have freedom to choose, that's why it doesn't apply. while majority indians that come to Malaya are Hindu, minority aren't. Also, not all work in estate, so when you live at different place, you tend to assimilate with those around you.
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but really feel bad when recent years indian that come here and become mamak purposely for the benefit, not by heart..
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Iban from China does not mean they were Chinese..
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ic bro, kinda get it now.

but really feel bad when recent years indian that come here and become mamak purposely for the benefit, not by heart..
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so there's a certain time length required to entitle bumiputra status? hmm.gif
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by this logic i'm a nikka and citizen of africa since all human race ancestors come from africa..
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We should give african ppl who study here citizen too..
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if u think a sec longer, u would know this is not the issue about nationality but more of bumiputra status and right.
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Based on Sejarah Tingkatan 3, Sabah and Sarawak Rules are based on their on, None related to Pen. Malaysia  laugh.gif
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which country in this world that still practices something similar to bumi rights and benefits?
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which country in this world that still practices something similar to bumi rights and benefits?
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I wanna ask
since this topic is a great debate among me and my friends
"Sniper vs Sumpit" who win?

i said sumpit la, very quiet one and sniper rifle's binocular can reflect light, people will know theres sniper want to shoot you. so sumpit win la right?
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Ibanmen
I wanna ask
since this topic is a great debate among me and my friends
"Sniper vs Sumpit" who win?

i said sumpit la, very quiet one and sniper rifle's binocular can reflect  light, people will know theres sniper want to shoot you. so sumpit win la right?
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u wot m8?
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Im mix blooded chinese + iban.. how?
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Jan 20 2013, 10:51 PM)
which is why i question whether or not chinese too should be considered as bumi base on the said article.
then wouldnt it be unfair for iban to get bumiputra status if they were indeed originated from china like malaysian chinese?
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I come to this forum because my 3 years studying in private college in West Malaysia. I realize something. 1 person looks like my brother, 2 person, boy and girl looks like my cousins, and another person who looks like my ex-girlfriend. The thing that sparks my curiosity is that the looks alike people at my college here are Chinese, where as my brother,cousins, and ex-Gf are Ibans. o_o. Nyak ya, dini amat penatai kitai tuk kaban? engka amat kitai datai ari China din, engka mayuh kitai dituk dah campur2 ngau bansa lain di Borneo. Bedau gik sengkuam sidak Bidayuh,Lun Bawang, Kadazan nyin. Kitai pan endak entu nemu dini penatai sidak ya.
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Sarawak need to seek independence. Malaya is going crazy with their politics and religion. Time to UN-FORM Malaysia.

As agree last time, we FORM Malaysia but did no JOIN Malaya to become malaysia. Means Sarawak can reverse the formation.
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malay pendatang from indo why TS never kecoh?
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malay pendatang from indo why TS never kecoh?
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QUOTE(itanium @ Oct 18 2013, 09:59 PM)
malay pendatang from indo why TS never kecoh?
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malay pendatang from indo why TS never kecoh?
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Because the topic is about Iban, not Malay.
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I come to this forum because my 3 years studying in private college in West Malaysia. I realize something. 1 person looks like my brother, 2 person, boy and girl looks like my cousins, and another person who looks like my ex-girlfriend. The thing that sparks my curiosity is that the looks alike people at my college here are Chinese, where as my brother,cousins, and ex-Gf are Ibans. o_o. Nyak ya, dini amat penatai kitai tuk kaban? engka amat kitai datai ari China din, engka mayuh kitai dituk dah campur2 ngau bansa lain di Borneo. Bedau gik sengkuam sidak Bidayuh,Lun Bawang, Kadazan nyin. Kitai pan endak entu nemu dini penatai sidak ya.
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By right, if born in MY, automatically should be Bumi. Only PR or illegals not qualified to be Bumi.
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Issit? Tell me why iban and Chinese cannot unite..
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nama hal belayak2 towk..kak bukut??
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it's Austronesian for Sheogorath sake doh.gif doh.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_peoples

you smoking hack3line legendary weed, TS?


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it's Austronesian for Sheogorath sake doh.gif doh.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_peoples

you smoking hack3line legendary weed, TS?
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Archaeological evidence demonstrates a technological connection between the farming cultures of the south (Southeast Asia and Melanesia) and sites that are first known from mainland China, whereas a combination of archaeological and linguistic evidence has been interpreted as supporting a northern (southern China and Taiwan) origin for the Austronesian language family. In a recent treatment, all Austronesian languages were classified into 10 subfamilies, with all the extra-Formosan languages grouped in one subfamily and with representatives of the remaining 9 known only in Taiwan.[5] It has been argued that these patterns are best explained by dispersal of an agricultural people from Taiwan into insular Southeast Asia, Melanesia, and, ultimately, the remote Pacific. Although this model—termed the “express train to Polynesia”[6][7] – is broadly consistent with available data, concerns have been raised.[8] Alternatives to this model posit an indigenous origin for the Austronesian languages in Melanesia or Southeast Asia

tldr: Migration and dispersion from China/Taiwan. (regarded as one of the theories)

well, i copy pasta from ur link. so, thanks for agreeing with me. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Oct 22 2013, 08:15 PM)
Archaeological evidence demonstrates a technological connection between the farming cultures of the south (Southeast Asia and Melanesia) and sites that are first known from mainland China, whereas a combination of archaeological and linguistic evidence has been interpreted as supporting a northern (southern China and Taiwan) origin for the Austronesian language family. In a recent treatment, all Austronesian languages were classified into 10 subfamilies, with all the extra-Formosan languages grouped in one subfamily and with representatives of the remaining 9 known only in Taiwan.[5] It has been argued that these patterns are best explained by dispersal of an agricultural people from Taiwan into insular Southeast Asia, Melanesia, and, ultimately, the remote Pacific. Although this model—termed the “express train to Polynesia”[6][7] – is broadly consistent with available data, concerns have been raised.[8] Alternatives to this model posit an indigenous origin for the Austronesian languages in Melanesia or Southeast Asia

tldr: Migration and dispersion from China/Taiwan. (regarded as one of the theories)

well, i copy pasta from ur link. so, thanks for agreeing with me.  tongue.gif
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read carefully lah

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A 2008 genetic study showed no evidence of a large-scale Taiwanese migration into the Philippine Islands. A study by Leeds University and published in Molecular Biology and Evolution, showed that mitochondrial DNA lineages have been evolving within Island Southeast Asia (ISEA) since modern humans arrived approximately 50,000 years ago.There is no genetic evidence for large-scale population replacement, displacement, or absorption to suggest replacement of preexisting hunting and gathering populations by farming-voyaging immigrants from Taiwan.Examination of mitochondrial DNA lineages showed that the neolithic culture (Austronesian) had been evolving within Island Southeast Asia (ISEA) for a longer period than previously believed. Per co-author Dr Oppenheimer, from the Oxford University School of Anthropology, population migrations were most likely to have been driven by climate change — the effects of the drowning of a huge ancient peninsula called ‘Sundaland’ (that extended the Asian landmass as far as Borneo and Java). This happened during the period 15,000 to 7,000 years ago following the last Ice Age. Rising sea levels in three massive pulses caused flooding and the submergence of the Sunda Peninsula, creating the Java and South China Seas and the thousands of islands that make up Indonesia and the Philippines today. Population dispersals occurred at the same time as sea levels rose, which may have resulted in migrations from the Philippine Islands to as far north as Taiwan within the last 10,000 years.


and china chinese is not even our ancestor by default

but the FACT i acknoledge that chinese has been present in Sabah and Sarawak and probably assimilate or integrate to either kadazan dusun, iban, murut, bidayuh, melanau, dayak etc during the middle ages toward the industrial revolution ages, in which we can still see today.




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QUOTE(Listiani @ Jan 20 2013, 09:46 PM)
Eh, kadazan people pun mereka bilang dari keturunan cina di taiwan. Cuba tgk ada 1 tribe di Taiwan (lupa nama tribe tu tp Ah Mei Taiwanese singer come from that tribe) baju, aksesori sama mcm orang Kadazan di Sabah. Waktu tribe dari Taiwan dtg Sabah buat cultural peformance, masing2 terkejut tgk costume & aksesori sama. So kena selidik juga ni.
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read carefully lah
and china chinese is not even our ancestor by default

but the FACT i acknoledge that chinese has been present in Sabah and Sarawak and probably assimilate or integrate to either kadazan dusun, iban, murut, bidayuh, melanau, dayak etc during the middle ages toward the industrial revolution ages, in which we can still see today.
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the study only refute the claim of mass population replacement to replace the PREEXISTING HUNTING AND GATHERING POPULATIONS BY FARMER VOYAGING IMMIGRANTS FROM TAIWAN.

Not to mention, i copy pasta my original content from wiki itself:
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The Ibans were the original inhabitants of Borneo Island. Like the other Dayak tribes, they were originally farmers, hunters, and gatherers. Not much is known about Iban people before the arrival of the Western expeditions to Asia. Nothing was ever recorded by any voyagers about them. The history of the migration of Iban people traces back to China where historians believe that the original Iban people migrated from Yunnan, a province in rural China.


Anyway, my real intention of creating this thread in the first place is to question the legitimacy of bumiputra status. Who are we to decide who owned this piece of land? People keep on barking "hey my ancestors lived here first, so i should have special privilege bla bla bla' when the fact that their original ancestors are from Africa. (or if u are practicing abrahimic religions, Adam and Eve)

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Im iban thai chinese, how
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Oct 22 2013, 08:41 PM)
the study only refute the claim of mass population replacement to replace the PREEXISTING HUNTING AND GATHERING POPULATIONS BY FARMER VOYAGING IMMIGRANTS FROM TAIWAN.

Not to mention, i copy pasta my original content from wiki itself:
Iban People
Anyway, my real intention of creating this thread in the first place is to question the legitimacy of bumiputra status. Who are we to decide who owned this piece of land? People keep on barking "hey my ancestors lived here first, so i should have special privilege bla bla bla' when the fact that their original ancestors are from Africa. (or if u are practicing abrahimic religions, Adam and Eve)
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damn laju betul post, aku tengah makan pula

again baca betul-betul

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This happened during the period 15,000 to 7,000 years ago following the last Ice Age. Rising sea levels in three massive pulses caused flooding and the submergence of the Sunda Peninsula, creating the Java and South China Seas and the thousands of islands that make up Indonesia and the Philippines today. Population dispersals occurred at the same time as sea levels rose, which may have resulted in migrations from the Philippine Islands to as far north as Taiwan within the last 10,000 years


OK i make myself clear here

i don't give shit to NEP, Ketuanan Melayu or whatsoever (i still believe however that Malays (combine people of java, bugis, sumatera, minangkabau jambi, acheh, and aborigines deep in the jungle into one race) are native of the Peninsular, and Those Native kadazan bidayuh melanau dayak etc are natives of Borneo)

what i stress here is that we are NOT descendant of china chinese, we are not even near to it. Even more the native Taiwan are real deal, not even close, similar or related in term of DNA, culture and language to mainland china whatsoever. If you accepting it then you accepting the PRC Propaganda

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OK i answer your question to legitimacy of bumiputra status.

waaaaaaaaaaay back after WW2, the british still keen on hoarding the peninsular and singapore as colonial treasure chest. and there was a new threat, mainly the communism from USSR now spreading eastward hard into china and it's territory.

the british, in order to sustain their new colonial ruling, establish the malayan union in hope that all the peon that alive from the bloody war could be control en mass. but it was a setback, cause the majority of Malays, who are small percent of them are english educated (nobles people) decide to rebel and ditch the malayan union. by then UMNO was established and Malayan Union after enough pressure disband in favour of more UMNO oriented government call Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.

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The article is primarily seen as a continuation of previous laws made by the British to protect the indigenous peoples from being overwhelmed by the immigration of Chinese and Indian workers into Malaya. In the years after independence in 1957, the Chinese and Indians were generally rich urban dwellers, whilst the Bumiputra were mostly poor farmers or manual labourers


the original purpose was never to included sabah and sarawak in the first place. it was British who brought the idea when communism was at it peak. Bumiputra status was MEANT only to alleviate the social economy inbalance between the already rich chinese and indian community and the poor malay. Bumiputra status was never enforce until the day when Founder of UMNO, Jaafar Onn realize it's original idea was futile decide to open UMNO membership to all race.

what did he get? kena kick out and branded as traitor to malay race.

so now we know UMNO are the one who start this "bumiputra status" and start the racial tension.

then came along LKY. his idea is great but was to extremist according to some, Tunku was skeptical for he believe it might bring good for unionship of both Federated Malay State and singapore, but bring disposition to racial imbalance.

then came sabah problem with Sulu, and Sarawak with Raja Putih bailing out his people.

from that they join us on 63 and singapore kena kick in 65, and forward the infamous 13 may 69 incident.

again UMNO never enforce bumiputra right accordingly until that incident in 69, UMNO kena b& and few years later a new UMNO was born and was head by our gracious mamakthir and the rest faham fahamlah sendiri.

so there is, bumiputra status is there, but never enforce and never regulated. in fact our constitution change mostly after 69 incident which is the work of the new UMNO headed by mamakthir.

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In the 1970s, the Malaysian government implemented policies which The Economist called "racially discriminatory" designed to favour bumiputras (including affirmative action in public education) to create opportunities, and to defuse inter-ethnic tensions following the extended violence against Chinese Malaysians in the 13 May Incident in 1969


again like singapore, they accept and agree, but do they enforce? no cause it's stupid and will create racial disharmony.

that's why i hate tongkat, it useless, orang melayu atau asli susah dapat MARA? kalau crony bolehlah, orang melayu atau asli yang lain tiada cable? boleh pergi mampus

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Ismail Abdul Rahman argued that "the question be left to the Malays themselves because ... as more and more Malays became educated and gained self-confidence, they themselves would do away with this 'special position'." Ismail believed the special position was "a slur on the ability of the Malays."


bumiputra in a sense, was just a title.

but kena abused by UMNO/BN and crony till now.

sebab tu aku mahu mansuh NEP, kasi semua sama rata.

BN know this and they afraid, cause one day when we united they knew they will be in deep shit even the shit they get into cannot be recognize by any scientific reason.

i rant this long to make it clear

i didn't came to /K/ to make enemy of other race, i want to be friends

if chinese ada soalan about malay right or islam i gladly jawab, as long you don't troll for obvious reason

also i came here to correct certain historical fact

banyak pakai wiki actually really bad



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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Oct 22 2013, 10:00 PM)
damn laju betul post, aku tengah makan pula

again baca betul-betul
OK i make myself clear here

i don't give shit to NEP, Ketuanan Melayu or whatsoever (i still believe however that Malays (combine people of java, bugis, sumatera, minangkabau jambi, acheh, and aborigines deep in the jungle into one race) are native of the Peninsular, and Those Native kadazan bidayuh melanau dayak etc are natives of Borneo)

what i stress here is that we are NOT descendant of china chinese, we are not even near to it. Even more the native Taiwan are real deal, not even close, similar or related in term of DNA, culture and language to mainland china whatsoever. If you accepting it then you accepting the PRC Propaganda

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

OK i answer your question to legitimacy of bumiputra status.

waaaaaaaaaaay back after WW2, the british still keen on hoarding the peninsular and singapore as colonial treasure chest. and there was a new threat, mainly the communism from USSR now spreading eastward hard into china and it's territory.

the british, in order to sustain their new colonial ruling, establish the malayan union in hope that all the peon that alive from the bloody war could be control en mass. but it was a setback, cause the majority of Malays, who are small percent of them are english educated (nobles people) decide to rebel and ditch the malayan union. by then UMNO was established and Malayan Union after enough pressure disband in favour of more UMNO oriented government call Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.
the original purpose was never to included sabah and sarawak in the first place. it was British who brought the idea when communism was at it peak. Bumiputra status was MEANT only to alleviate the social economy inbalance between the already rich chinese and indian community and the poor malay. Bumiputra status was never enforce until the day when Founder of UMNO, Jaafar Onn realize it's original idea was futile decide to open UMNO membership to all race.

what did he get? kena kick out and branded as traitor to malay race.

so now we know UMNO are the one who start this "bumiputra status" and start the racial tension.

then came along LKY. his idea is great but was to extremist according to some, Tunku was skeptical for he believe it might bring good for unionship of both Federated Malay State and singapore, but bring disposition to racial imbalance.

then came sabah problem with Sulu, and Sarawak with Raja Putih bailing out his people.

from that they join us on 63 and singapore kena kick in 65, and forward the infamous 13 may 69 incident.

again UMNO never enforce bumiputra right accordingly until that incident in 69, UMNO kena b& and few years later a new UMNO was born and was head by our gracious mamakthir and the rest faham fahamlah sendiri.

so there is, bumiputra status is there, but never enforce and never regulated. in fact our constitution change mostly after 69 incident which is the work of the new UMNO headed by mamakthir.
again like singapore, they accept and agree, but do they enforce? no cause it's stupid and will create racial disharmony.

that's why i hate tongkat, it useless, orang melayu atau asli susah dapat MARA? kalau crony bolehlah, orang melayu atau asli yang lain tiada cable? boleh pergi mampus
bumiputra in a sense, was just a title.

but kena abused by UMNO/BN and crony till now.

sebab tu aku mahu mansuh NEP, kasi semua sama rata.

BN know this and they afraid, cause one day when we united they knew they will be in deep shit even the shit they get into cannot be recognize by any scientific reason.

i rant this long to make it clear

i didn't came to /K/ to make enemy of other race, i want to be friends

if chinese ada soalan about malay right or islam i gladly jawab, as long you don't troll for obvious reason

also i came here to correct certain historical fact

banyak pakai wiki actually really bad
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actually aku x pun 100% disagree with your point or 100% agree with my own point, im just stating that the one im pointing out is one out of thousands of theories regarding the true origin of Iban people.

dan aku pun tahu, benda2 saintifik mcm ni susah nak pinpoint which theories are facts and which theories are farce sbb kita x ada time travel machine utk verify betui2 these origins stories. That's why there's a saying 'science is still in its early stage' and thats why buku2 reference sains perlu kena updated almost annually.

yes, i agree with you that cronies are the ones who benefit more from this so-called 'special privileges' schemes.

do note that this thread was created almost a year ago, and if my memory serves me well, i created this thread as a retort to many of racist /k-tards who are championing bumiputra privileges for reasons so absurd. i myself am a bumi i dont favor this practice of favoritism.

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Oct 22 2013, 10:18 PM)
actually aku x pun 100% disagree with your point or 100% agree with my own point, im just stating that the one im pointing out is one out of thousands of theories regarding the true origin of Iban people.

dan aku pun tahu, benda2 saintifik mcm ni susah nak pinpoint which theories are facts and which theories are farce sbb kita x ada time travel machine utk verify betui2 these origins stories. That's why there's a saying 'science is still in its early stage' and thats why buku2 reference sains perlu kena updated almost annually.

yes, i agree with you that cronies are the ones who benefit more from this so-called 'special privileges' schemes. 

do note that this thread was created almost a year ago, and if my memory serves me well, i created this thread as a retort to many of racist /k-tards who are championing bumiputra privileges for reasons so absurd. i myself am a bumi i dont favor this practice of favoritism.
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DAFUQ THEN I WAS REPLYING TO NECRO THREAD shocking.gif shocking.gif


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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Oct 22 2013, 10:21 PM)
DAFUQ THEN I WAS REPLYING TO NECRO THREAD  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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yeap, january 2013. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Oct 22 2013, 10:23 PM)
yeap, january 2013. laugh.gif
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awwwwwwwww sheeeeeeettt manggggggg

damn bloody thread necromancer mad.gif vmad.gif
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Dari dulu ibans dah x bersatu, macam mana nak control moden sarawak?

Chinese in swak called dayaks lakia which is similar to suarez calling ezra negro
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ts. u dah ready ke pakai camni? nanti bila taib halau masuk hutan sudah prepare. masa tu jgn pulak cakap iban bukan asal china.

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interesting topic

Was just having this discussion with my foreign frens yesterday

lol at my malaysian fren who tried hard to recall msia history lesson in school laugh.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Oct 22 2013, 07:42 PM)
urang iban nuan, bakih?
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auk ah, chak.. hahaha
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QUOTE(GamerKid @ Oct 24 2013, 08:27 PM)
auk ah, chak.. hahaha
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Lawa mai pengelaju internet nuan
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Oct 24 2013, 08:32 PM)
Lawa mai pengelaju internet nuan
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entik dah diau bak KL nyak meh bulih ku. haha.. tapi bedau update gik nyak.. diatuk 30mbps. haha
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My ex housemates were Sarawakians, Bidayuh and Malay. And sometimes some of their friends come to our house for 'sadong'. I gotta say Swakians especially

those dayaks are hardcore drinkers. Langkau weyh, hahahaha
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jan 20 2013, 10:19 PM)
who cares what chinese sarawakian label dayaks. it just showed how uncivilized and uncultured they are.
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Dat's wai early Dayaks found much easier to pancung early Chinese coolies migrants then fighting amongst Dayaks & pancung each others. Rajah had to stop the Dayak's lust for easy preys by sending Christian missionaries converting Dayaks.

So Dayaks no more pancung Cainis. Become Christians help cool down Dayaks ... but when japanese invades, the Dayaks guerillas get to pancung summore Japs.

Now Dayaks no more pancung pipu.

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