Hello.. I really would like somebody who ever heard or think abt tis and discuss wif me..

i want to know aso! but i think Utar degree is all equalvalent kua.
certain courses like acca n cima is better to complete in tarc lu

because they doesn't provide twining program?

Tarcian here. IMO, UTAR degree is cheaper & u can financed by lower interest rate loan. Overseas top up programme (in UK) normally cost about RM 35,000. The interest rate of that loan is about 9 %.

About which degree is better?? Its the same since neither UTAR nor Overseas University tht link with TARC is FAMOUS !! Try to obtain a first class degree to differentiate u from the 2nd or 3rd class holder.

I'm now really worried that if I even cant get any good job after I graduate from either UTAR or KTAR then. But I have no choice, I must choose either one of them. I just wanna know which one is better than the other. I got finance problem. If I'm going UTAR, it doesn't mean it'd make my life simpler since there's a new rule stated that whoever got PTPTN loan during the years of diploma must clear the payment first before going to apply PTPTN loan in UTAR then. Maybe people will say, just get loan from other association or foundation that recommended by UTAR, but but but, the thing is, the loan provided by others not enough for me to spend on both tuition fees and living expenses. Only PTPTN provides enough loan. How am I going to payback the loan that I applied before in order to apply in further then? I think perhaps some needy students' hope(Going to UTAR)will be ruined because of this new rule.
In case like that, there's no different between gettng into UTAR or KTAR because as i stated justnow, it's not easy to get PTPTN loan anymore(Except those who still can afford to payback the loan before). The stereotype could be changed that UTAR is not a choice for further studies for those needy students anymore. Perhaps I'm not right at all, but I just stand in the view of unlucky case.

It's because some said that UTAR is easier to graduate since there's 60% coursework marks will be given while KTAR advance diploma just as the same with diploma level, 20-30% only coursework marks. I also got heard before that most of the students going over UTAR all because of it's easier to graduate and got finance loan provided. Is that really true? Many people wonder all courses provided by UTAR is under approval of LAN or not. What's actually LAN? And National Accreditation Board? Are both the same? Why I heard people said that of course all courses provided in colleges and universities in our country is under approval of LAN, just have to see whether it got accreditate from societies or companies or not. ?? What's this mean?? Erm.. I heard a lot these kind of things. Hopefully there got someone that can really gimme some precious opinions and guidance.

utar suck. my ex-rumate studies there.
he is a gay.
hahahahha

OK.. If in this case, what if I just take the BS Degree Program instead of going for Top-Up programme in UK? So that's not expensive right? I knew that going for Top-Up programme isn't same with taking BS Degree Program since Top-Up Programme can get Honours Degree. Anyway, I think just taking BS Degree Program also isn't too bad, am I right?

tarc is better since the fee is less than utar....about the oversea study, if i am not mistaken, u can get your campbell degree however u choose not to go oversea.

May be tis not applicable anymore..correct me if wrong....but now advance dip in tarc hav the cisco and crystal report workshop..it is hot (assume u are IT student)

JOB is everywhere....now my company having three programmers including me whom are all come from TARC

Ok, Thanks! I'm studying in ISE. My friends asked that how to get the chance to go for industrial training in advance diploma, huh? Is there any rules? Based on what? I asked KTAR already the BS Degree Programme still available.

Did you go for industrial training during Advance diploma? u're graduate from advance diploma right? How do u get the job? So luckily one.. People said that advance diploma in KTAR hard to study (if take BS Degree Program) but it's worth compare to UTAR degree.. Do u agree that?

Just because TARC is cheap DOES NOT MEAN no quality.

There are (not foundation year) students from a "prestigious"/"famous" govt operated local U still asking "What is the difference between mild steel and cast iron" on a factory visit!

So that's why my dad's previous company preferred to hire TARC graduates. Gets the job done, no one complaints.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 24 2006, 05:03 PM

Huh? sorry le.. I'm not quite understand ur meaning.. U said KTAR is cheap?

I will choose UTAR over sheffield hallam.

i will choose sheffield hallam over UTAR......

If you want to work overseas, all local universities are not recognised.

So it is better to look at the universities world ranking to look at good universities.

mind to explain why would you choose SHU?

I believe UTAR has its standards to maintain, it has the necessary resources and funding since it is the pride of MCA. I am sure MCA will give the best to UTAR.

SHU on the other hand, is just one of the many British universities which are struggling to secure funds from the government besides trying to stay afloat in all areas. It is only wise to go to the UK if you can get into one of the top 20 or 25 universities in the UK, other than that don't bother going.

it should be taken lightly.....

look at dartmouth and brown..........

The topic I created is to discuss about the UTAR and KTAR only. Not included overseas world ranking universities. Of course overseas universities better than ours. But I have no choice, I must choose one of this. I don't have much time to apply for other universities.

Not entirely true.

as far as i know, utar graduated with hons degree which can apply for local universitys for further studies eg. masters...where as if u wan hons degree from campbell, u must top up one month in overseas else u just get basic degree..correct me if i'm wrong...

UTAR offer degree programme, TARC only offer advanced Diploma programme!! Thats distinguish between them!! If I need only to pay annual fee of RM3000 to obtain a degree in TARC, who will study in UTAR?? Notes that UTAR & TARC are under the same management!!

Years back b4 UTAR is established, some courses in TARC do offer Overseas University degree. (U just need to sit the exam in Malaysia by paying in tht foreign country currency.) Surrely, those not so famous University.
(notes: Sheffield Hallam is ranked 68th place in UK out of 120 Universites evaluated)

Most courses now,if u want to obtain a degree in TARC, u need to go overseas fto do a top up programme!! There is a loan with 9% interest rate to assist u provided u have reasonable good reasult.

If u worry that u can't obtain PTPTN loan to study in UTAR which I think is not difficult to obtain. Go for STPM or Matriks to enter into Local university which I think is the best option for u.

Anyway, whetner Advanced Diploma in TARC is difficult or not, is varies on individual!! I have never fail in my Advance Diploma till date & I m not a good student. Some students who is smart that study at last minute can score AAAAA

So.. to put it in a nutshell, if a person wish to get into master level, he must go to take top-up programme at ktar or go to utar in order to get honours degree lo; else if a person just wanna "cincai"ly graduate without thinking going further to take master, he takes an advance diploma cert or BS degree programme during ktar is already enough lo?

teochevon dun need to wori much abt the PTPTN loan ... if u borrow the loan during diploma and after diploma u wan to go UTAR there u can borrow again and the loan u borrow during diploma dun need to pay back 1st juz go to the KTAR office get a form to delay the payment tat will do so u only will start paying back the loan after u study all the course ...

and about the industrial training .. depend on wat course u study ... some course not compulsary to go industrial training one ... if u asr from SAS it is compulsary to go industrial training ... the training will be listed by the college so u choose from there and juz apply juz try ur luck lo hehe ...

This post has been edited by Yau_1234: Apr 3 2006, 04:49 AM

1 main reason is utar is still new. so most of the course they provide is also new.

Im not interested in UTAR.. I hope if anyone know where got the study loan provided please let me know.. I hope I can get into KTAR in this May

wat loan u wam to ??? wat u studyiny now ??? if at KTAR diploma lvl u can get PTPTN which is very easy to get and if in advance u can apply for TARC loan ...

I want go KTAR. I want apply loan for my living expenses which might need 15k

Btw if you study and graduate with diploma at KTAR, not sure now but you can apply for UTAR with advance into 2nd year of degree course but some subjects can't be exempted. You do however pay only 2 years of fees in UTAR instead of 4 years thus save a bit of money as KTAR fees are way cheaper.

Overall after getting your diploma you can stay on for 2 years more for adv diploma with degree or 2 years more at UTAR for the degree. Anyway good luck with your studies.

i dun think those loan tat u will get enough to cover ur living expenses ... if u r entering diploma lvl u can apply PTPTN loan which max u can get is 10k for 2 yr .. and the fees for diploma lvl is around 5k ++ ... after tat if u cantinue to advance diploma u can apply for TARC loan whihc is max 7k u will get so the fees u need to pay is around 5k also ... so i dun think if be able tp cover all ur living expenses ... in fact no matter where u go study the loan u get will not able to cover all ur living expenses ...

im a diploma student in KTAR now... doing 2nd yr diploma in techonology (electronic engineering)... i hate tarc's engineering course alot now... lots of lecturers are students who just graduate from tarc's course and cant find a job outside... dont even know how to teach >< good lecturers are all in adv diploma...

plus, TARC's diploma + adv diploma isnt recognized by LAN... and their engineering degree is not certified by BEM (board of engineers msia) coz it's a top up degree... BEM certified degrees are all 4+0... no 3+0 or top ups ><

however, TARC's best course of course is their accounting with ACCA... my mom is an officer in SBS office as well... she says tat the only school in TARC tat is well run is SBS (school of business studies)

for other courses, recommend u go to UTAR as their campus is newer, lecturers are better (better qualified to meet LAN standards), smaller no of students in lecture and tutorials, new lab, new lecture and tutorial rooms etc...

but i not going to utar after my diploma in tarc... im going to UCSI as their fees is not too expensive compared to UTAR's...

hei dude, is UTAr degree in E&E good? i am completing my diploma in E&E at Inti subang...plannin to go Utar...it is one of my options...mind to tell me more??/

not really sure bout how good UTAR is in engineering sector but u can expect a lot of new stuffs since their new campus in Setapak is just newly built. neways, to thread starter, usually ppl opt for TARC coz they can't afford to go to private institutions that costs a bomb. if u want, u can apply for PTPTN loan in ur diploma year, i believe these 2 years is enuff for u evaluate on which road u should take after ur diploma, either the top up program or UTAR degree. so just say, when u enter UTAR and u got ur ptptn loan rejected, u can always opt for Kojadi loan from MCA, but take note that their interest is quite high, last i heard it was 8%.

Ex-TARCian here... UTAR is still new with the course provided is still rather new. However all the (or shall I say most of the) EXPERIENCED lecturers from KTAR is now in UTAR.

In terms of recognition, KTAR is still well recognised for it's high standard. So STUDY HARD!

Employment, it really depends la to the students. They may be smart in study but when in speech, all tongue tied. Some witty in words but study wise, so so ok. It's all on how you carry yourself. Being balanced, not being too nerdy and not being too loyar buruk..