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 CyberCenter / Internet "Cafe", Any1 here operates one?

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BoltonMan
post Mar 24 2006, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(feralee @ Mar 24 2006, 01:46 PM)
bear in mind
u must have additional $$$ for upgrading
as u know nowdays PC are getting faster & faster
if your PC are outdate
nobody will go to the cafe  cool.gif
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agree...and most important maintenance all the times...

i once go to a cc before...the speaker is not working... shakehead.gif ...
because i playing cs that time, so must hear the bomb's sound ->ti tit tit titi titi:D
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post Mar 24 2006, 08:23 PM

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u can setup ur cyber cafe as small as 5 computer(if r on low budget,plus u know how to setup everyting. eg:maintenance,networking,troubleshooting etc)

then u concentrate more on ur business,after 1 or 2 month add either 1 or 2 computer at ur cc.

1st of all,buy a mid range technologies(eg. latest is A,second is B and older tech is C. then choose B technologies)

this my own technique tat i give to all my fren who wan to open a CC wif low budget.now all of them has at least 30-40 computer at their CC.

example :

1 hour = RM 2
working hour = 10am -10pm = 12 hour
no. of computer = 5 unit

ur profit =12 hour x RM 2 x 5 unit
= RM 120 per day
total profit a month(including weekends) =RM 120 x 30 days = RM 3600 !!

if u carefully,calculated all thing(electric bill,and shop fees) u still can gain a nice profit.


if 1 computer use total 600 watt,it means in 1 hour u use 600 watt/hour
total electric usage(a month) = 600watt x 5 unit x 12 hour x 30 days
= 1080 kWh

1 st 200 unit(RM 0.218) = RM 43.60
next 800 unit(RM0.258) = RM206.40
additional 80 unit(RM0.278) = RM 22.24

total usage a month = RM 272.24 (or around RM 300/mth)

ur actuall profit = RM 3600 - RM 300
= RM 3300/mth !!

see tats y cyber cafe is worth for gain alot of money.if u r smart,u can sell some beverage,drinks etc to gain more.



p/s:this is my idea which i give to all my fren to start a good business. dun worry this idea actually works.pls correct me if i'm wrong.
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So now you have 5 ppl sitting there paying you for 12 hours every day right?
And Cyber Cafes are on commercial tariff BTW.
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post Mar 24 2006, 10:18 PM

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you left out a lot of variable in your calculation..

for one, you are using home tariff, second you did not include other electrical device i.e air cond, ligthing etc

next, you have to pay shop rental, ,water bill, licensing and a general worker (dont tell me you're running 1-man show)...

and yes, how sure are you there will be ppl waiting to use your pc all the time, every single day?

how about the cost of buying the PC, furniture, banner, advertisement?

vion, seriously there is too many flaws in your calculation, thus I seriously ask you not to give false hope/guidance to your friend who is opening a new CC thinking that it is an easy money...


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post Mar 25 2006, 01:11 AM

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ei the power calculation should be 0.288 and not 0.218 iirc since its a commercial user and not home
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post Mar 25 2006, 01:45 AM

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he just spend money to open a cc with 5 pc to make himself "upgrade from a worker to a boss"
cc anual majlis perbandaran cost about rm3000-4000
which mean 1 month is about rm300, plus electic bill rm300(as he calculated,he dun use aircond maybe,lol ), plus water and tmnet bill about rm150(water is rm30,streamyx rm88,telephone line rental rm49), thus make it every month expenses is about rm 750

we continue follow what he say lah, means he really can make his cc 12hour full with customer, so rm3000 - rm750 = he get rm2250 everymonth

the questiion is here: WHY I NOT RATHER GO GET A JOB?????
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post Mar 25 2006, 02:18 AM

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Well, that's a good idea to start a CC, but there's still risk to consider. It still depends on the location, the ppl around the location, and etc. It's hard to predict whether you can actually get ppl to go to ur CC everyday. It's really a big gamble. However, it's still a risk to take. I mean what if it doesn't work the way you expected it.

Just my opinion. smile.gif


This post has been edited by Marcus: Mar 25 2006, 02:19 AM
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post Mar 25 2006, 02:54 AM

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as wat i know from 1 of my fren that open cc .. the main problem they faced every month is the bill and the license they ned to pay for the game ... correct me if i am wrong ..thats why they was ;ike not earning a good money unless u love to play game then u open for fun and u play they for the whole day . u save money not to go other cc to play cus u open 1 ..hehehe ... anyway..when u open let me know ... i got fren doin networking for cc .. ok ?? price not sure ..must ask him ..anyway is easy lah ...hehehe .. just like wat ppl say here .. if u know pc , u save lots of money !!!!! yeah man !!!! good luck !!!
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ok first of all i dun think is good to open a cc which got 5 comp.....definitely a no....and here are some info mayb u need to take into consideration:

this is base on 40 units of comp:

1.Montly electricity bill round rm1800-1900 (4biji of a-con, operation hour bout 18 hours daily)

2.Payment for warcraft game license rm1800

3.Tmnet streamyx bill rm688 (2.0M package for enterprise)

4.The rest is just the rental, salary, water bill & etc.

This post has been edited by madman.com: Mar 25 2006, 09:41 AM
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post Mar 25 2006, 10:02 AM

shhhhhhhhh come i tell you something hehe
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many cc using pirate games .... i go there cant play online so u think they are paying for the game license?
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post Mar 25 2006, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Mar 23 2006, 11:51 PM)
shop lots can cost up to a million or few millions especially at areas with lots of ppl.... SS15 is one of those.....
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not inclueded the interest. sometime it will double the shoplot price after u plus the interest
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post Mar 25 2006, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(bee1927 @ Mar 25 2006, 02:54 AM)
as wat i know from 1 of my fren that open cc .. the main problem they faced every month is the bill and the license they ned to pay for the game ... correct me if i am wrong ..thats why they was ;ike not earning a good money unless u love to play game then u open for fun and u play they for the whole day . u save money not to go other cc to play cus u open 1 ..hehehe ... anyway..when u open let me know ... i got fren doin networking for cc .. ok ?? price not sure ..must ask him ..anyway is easy lah ...hehehe .. just like wat ppl say here .. if u know pc , u save lots of money !!!!! yeah man !!!! good luck !!!
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i guest now the problem is the profit margin is too narrow, not much can earn compare to last time
i was working @ cc last time for 2 years back @ my home town.
before that when the cc is newlly introduce, per hour they will charge about 6-7 ringgit, but now, some better good nice place eh RM2.5 or RM3 max, RM2 for member or middle middle ok ok place, RM1.5 also got adi. @ my hometown even worse, RM1.2 also got !!
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QUOTE(Marcus @ Mar 25 2006, 02:18 AM)
Well, that's a good idea to start a CC, but there's still risk to consider.  It still depends on the location, the ppl around the location, and etc.  It's hard to predict whether you can actually get ppl to go to ur CC everyday.  It's really a big gamble.  However, it's still a risk to take.  I mean what if it doesn't work the way you expected it.

Just my opinion.  smile.gif
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yes u are right, and wrong too, it also sometime really depends on luck, and hows your place is.

i am @ puchong bnd puteri 7, and here got 2 cc, one is the 1st till now, another one still open and really really good buisness, everyday passby also got people.
and before this there is about 4-5 cc here, but all gone.

from what i see, those close up its cause of the place they design, one all close up and its @ upstairs, another one just computer and crappy computer table ( u wont stay long there cause the table not comfort )

and from my exp, table, ventilation, smoking zone and enviroment ( clean toilet if u target female buisness too hehe ) also play a big role in cc, it also one of the way can make u sucess and failure.

This post has been edited by namzycad3: Mar 25 2006, 10:23 AM
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post Mar 25 2006, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Mar 25 2006, 10:02 AM)
many cc using pirate games .... i go there cant play online so u think they are paying for the game license?
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they paying game license but 2 reason why u cant online there
1st, the cd-key they get from paying license is limited, they pay license for 30 pc example, only get 9 cd-key

2nd, its a BIG work to change all the game for all 30 pc's cd-key after they clone the pc harddisk. so most of them just clone pc, but didnt change cdkey

u....aiseh...... rclxub.gif
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another reason also cause they use crack, last time yes many cc use crack to run the game without cd, but now i think more people will dump into hdd, but another problem is most of the now days games come with CD protection securom <-- the most hard to break off ( prevent u from copying the original cd ) it also will prevent u to run the game in hdd mode.
so the most easy way? crack it, crack wont allow u play online.
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QUOTE(vion @ Mar 24 2006, 08:23 PM)
u can setup ur cyber cafe as small as 5 computer(if r on low budget,plus u know how to setup everyting. eg:maintenance,networking,troubleshooting etc)

then u concentrate more on ur business,after 1 or 2 month add either 1 or 2 computer at ur cc.

1st of all,buy a mid range technologies(eg. latest is A,second is B and older tech is C. then choose B technologies)

this my own technique tat i give to all my fren who wan to open a CC wif low budget.now all of them has at least 30-40 computer at their CC.

example :

1 hour = RM 2
working hour = 10am -10pm = 12 hour
no. of computer = 5 unit

ur profit =12 hour x RM 2 x 5 unit
            = RM 120 per day
total profit a month(including weekends) =RM 120 x 30 days = RM 3600 !!

if u carefully,calculated all thing(electric bill,and shop fees) u still can gain a nice profit.
if 1 computer use total 600 watt,it means in 1 hour u use 600 watt/hour
total electric usage(a month) = 600watt x 5 unit x 12 hour x 30 days
                                          = 1080 kWh

1 st 200 unit(RM 0.218)       = RM 43.60
next 800 unit(RM0.258)       = RM206.40
additional 80 unit(RM0.278) = RM 22.24

total usage a month = RM 272.24 (or around RM 300/mth)

ur actuall profit = RM 3600 - RM 300
                       = RM 3300/mth !!

see tats y cyber cafe is worth for gain alot of money.if u r smart,u can sell some beverage,drinks etc to gain more.
p/s:this is my idea which i give to all my fren to start a good business. dun worry this idea actually works.pls correct me if i'm wrong.
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So if according to your formula those CC with 100 units will make RM66,000 of NET PROFIT/month lah... rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif Shop no need rental ka? Streamyx and phone free 1 ka? No need air cond/lights ka? No need a/cond also need fan gua. Toilet no need water? Company registration, signboard no need to pay ar? PCs, furnitures, renovation, networkings dapat free ka?

This post has been edited by seeseng: Mar 25 2006, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(namzycad3 @ Mar 25 2006, 11:24 AM)
another reason also cause they use crack,  last time yes many cc use crack to run the game without cd, but now i think more people will dump into hdd, but another problem is most of the now days games come with CD protection securom <-- the most hard to break off ( prevent u from copying the original cd ) it also will prevent u to run the game in hdd mode.
so the most easy way? crack it, crack wont allow u play online.
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aise, u are another 1 telling WRONG INFORMATION, if not sure dont speak out make other people getting the wrong info please
most game now can play online with original cdkey even if its crack
for example, warcraft 3 , need for speed underground, red alert2:yuris revenge...
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ya kar, didnt know, i just i know i fight with those stupid copy protection for so long last time when i work @ cyber cafe.
and its 1-2 years ago.
sorry sorry haha tongue.gif
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post Mar 26 2006, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(fai2k4 @ Mar 25 2006, 11:05 AM)
they paying game license but 2 reason why u cant online there
1st, the cd-key they get from paying license is limited, they pay license for 30 pc example, only get 9 cd-key

2nd, its a BIG work to change all the game for all 30 pc's cd-key after they clone the pc harddisk. so most of them just clone pc, but didnt change cdkey

u....aiseh......  rclxub.gif
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but the problem is if the key is in use it will show the message whereas when i tried to connect the message comes out as your cd key is invalid!
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QUOTE(zeist @ Mar 23 2006, 10:31 PM)
I think buying the shoplot is more practical than rent, thats what I thought. Like I said earlier, you need alot of money to buy a shoplot. We've heard many unwanted cases like, the landlord persuade them to move out, because of the higher rent price he got from another or etc. That suck balls.

So you have no choice but to pay him more, that is even more fugged .. rclxub.gif

Rent? RM3K, 4K a month? Not worth it seriously.

RM36K a year

RM36K x 5 years = RM180K

I'm not sure whether your friends are going to run this business for long or short term. So if you calculate RM180K, do you think its worth?

I mean, if you buy the shoplot, after 5-10 years, that shoplot value definitely increase higher.
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You can't get a shoplot at 500k in prime places. That's the cold hard fact.

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