Where got I compare with dSLR? The only time I mentioned SLR was batteries You wanna compare? Compare with the A700, or any compacts with ISO 800 and higher. I compared the s9500 with my FZ30 [which was EXTREMELY noisy at ISO400] before I said the things I said lah.



Excuse me? I don't remember posting like I did can be called trolling. It's not like attacked anyone in particular. Chill lah.



For people who don't bother, of course they can buy the F30 lah, no harm done. Just like how so many people have bought IXUS, or nikon compacts or anything that doesn't have PASM options. If they don't bother about the technology, they will bother about something else.

I'm just highlighting the things people overlook, since so many are too attracted to the ISO 3200.

Ok fine, I admit my arguments are flawed since I have not seen the performance at ISO 3200. I'll swallow my words if it does awe me.

Like I said, it's a great turn of events, but all I'm saying is that the F30 could still use plenty of improvements.



Honestly? I'll make do at lower ISO, and brace it against a pillar/wall/bench or something ^^



Wow, cool! Got sample pics to compare?

[double post, sorry]

This post has been edited by Silencers: Apr 5 2006, 03:13 PM

any pics 2 back it up

for example you can go to dpreview's review of F10 & compare it to it's review on lumix FX9. noise on the pana is more to my eyes anyway but maybe fuji's one is a bit softer. furthermore F11 is supposed to be slightly better than F10 & F30 is even more better in terms of noise so go figure...

Not that I've seen anything from the A700, but are you saying that the A700 has better detail retention than the F11 at ISO800? And likewise the FZ30 over the S9500? Or am I misunderstanding something here?

The F11 is an ideal camera for people who want decent photography control (albeit with poor ergonomics), while still fitting into your pocket - a good second camera for those who've gotten used to SLRs ...

I have a colleague with the S9500, I convinced him to get that camera. And yes, I can attest to the zipping pattern on the edges. At ISO800 it has usable noise on flat surfaces, but the zippies get to you. It's like the anti-alias filter is broke. That said, I think the zippies grow on you, they look quite appealing actually.

I'll post a sample picture when I get to the office.

And where the heck are all the people who bought F11s? Do they not have cables to transfer pics and show us?

u r juz assumin f30 it's better

i think u go try it out better u will change ur mind then

anyway fx9 not that fantastic 2 me 2 pana lumix range is losin out terribly 2 other makers

when u bash a camera with flawed arguments, isnt that trolling?

Its a reasonable assumption given the technology in hand. I mean, are you expecting the next gen Canon CMOS to be worse than the current ones?

This post has been edited by BurgaFlippinMan: Apr 6 2006, 11:14 AM

richx: I haven't seen 100% crops from either the F11 or the A700, so I can't say for sure. And about the FZ30 and s9500, I don't like both. s9500 has low but with jagged edges, while the FZ30 has high noise but no noticeable jaggedness.

burga:


That's how wikipedia defines a troll. I certainly didn't comment to induce anger.

exactly. dont you think that post could have induced anger among the Fuji users? especially considering its a flawed argument? you may not have meant it, but it certainly could have been read that way. anyway enough of this. cheerios!

This post has been edited by BurgaFlippinMan: Apr 6 2006, 02:54 PM

Er, what's with all the flawed arguments all. I don't think anybody was flaming anybody. We don't know how the F30 or A700 performs, but here's the Fujifilm S9500. ISO 1600/3200 may be better on the F30.

S9500 at ISO 200, 800 and 1600

Guys, chill lar. We will just have to wait and see whether the F30 is indeed a lemon as xander83 describes it. Since he has given nothing to validate his claims, I will be taking it with a pinch of salt. Though not impossible, I highly doubt their marketing would have allowed their spokesperson to say that the F30 would have performance at ISO3200 "similar" to that of F10 at ISO1600 if the F30 was not a better camera.

If it is indeed a lemon, then sad to say, Fujifilm would probably lose much of the goodwill and reputation for its compact cam line generated from the F10/F11 cameras.

And considering Fujifilm does not have the marketing muscle of bigger players like Canon and Sony, that would be quite a disaster.

the only differences between F10 and F11 are the LCD pixels,Shutter/Apperture priority......
and between F11 and F30 are the ISO,Shutter speed,metering,LCD pixels

F10 was announced in Feb 05 while F11 in Sept 05 and F30 in Feb 06.....
so i guess the next would be F40 in sept 06

This post has been edited by speedoom: Apr 7 2006, 08:57 PM

mayb f31 or 32 then

xander, i'm not assuming, i'm simply saying what fuji's been promoting le. for the sake of consumers i hope they're right

I called up Fujifilm Malaysia to find out the launch date for F30. Unfortunately, they have no answer for me. No official announcement yet they say. If Singapore is anything to go by, it would be June. Sigh. Good thing I hv the FX-01 to play around till then.

I think the reason why there are no F10/F11 pictures in our galleries is because ... it's too troublesome to download the cards! Few card readers do xD-picturecards, and to use the USB connection you need to to connect thru that ($*%*# dongle!

Er, what dongle?

The Fujifilm cameras, since the A202 at least (I know, I had one) plug in and appear as a removable disk, just like Sony. There is an alternate mode to appear as a webcam. Most current cameras (Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fujifilm) use the standard USB mini-B plug which you'd see on a card reader.

The dongle is required, because the camera has only one single connector to save space, so you use the dongle to plug into that single port on the camera, and at the end of the short cable is a box with the other normal plugs that the cameras have.

No, there is no dongle!

I checked with my colleague's Fujifilm S9500. Direct USB standard-A to USB mini-B.

The Fujifilm A202 had its own custom USB cable, but that was years ago man.