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 Running Dynaudio Esotec System 242 ACTIVE, Comments Please!

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TSBelaCHAN
post Jan 13 2013, 07:06 PM, updated 13y ago

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Hi everyone!

This is what i'm planning to do:

-Pioneer DEH-80PRS
-Alpine PDX-F6
-Dynaudio Esotec System 242
-A good 400Wrms amp and 12" sub in the boot, sealed enclosure (let's just leave it at that =D)

Using the above equipment, i'm considering running the DEH-80PRS in NETWORK mode,
ditching the rear speakers,
and run the Dynaudios ACTIVE in front (e.g. Channel 1:Left Tweet; Channel2:Right Tweet; Channel3:Left Mid; Channel4:Right Mid)!


Hence my questions:

-Will 150Wrms into the tweeter be too much power?

-Do I need the impedance compensation circuit (a cap and resistor) for the TWEETER to give the highest quality sound?
(looking at the Frequency/Impedance response curves, the mids don't need them)

-is there ANY way at all to get a signal for rear speakers? (I carry passengers quite often, so a little music behind would be appreciated).

-this is anti-climatic, but any other comparable comps that you would recommend with a price point BELOW the price of the Dyns?
Nobody will be disappointed with the Dyns, but it's quite costly.....


Last but not least, i'd like comments for whoever has it running active currently, on any other possible issues to take note.

Cheers!
ezmeer94
post Jan 13 2013, 07:26 PM

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Alpine amplifier?
That will waste the dyns lolzz
TSBelaCHAN
post Jan 13 2013, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Jan 13 2013, 07:26 PM)
Alpine amplifier?
That will waste the dyns lolzz
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Meaning it will kill the tweeter? Hmnn......
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post Jan 13 2013, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 13 2013, 07:35 PM)
Meaning it will kill the tweeter? Hmnn......
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No you can always adjust the gain down to not kill the tweeter smile.gif
But alpine amplifiers are just not good enough for the dynaudios sad.gif
Those speakers are thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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post Jan 13 2013, 08:08 PM

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bro your concept of thinking is wrong.its not mean 150rms direct to your tweeter.150rms per channel for dynaudio is good enough ready.keep in mind that dynaudio is a power hunger speaker.when you listen at volume 20, its not going to push your tweeter at 150 rms.once you done the tuning for overall system, it would match. dynaudio character is thick..so find amps that have characters, bright and dynamic.Dynaudio is one of my favourite component in earth after morel supremo.

If you play active you no need to add any capacitor or resistor.control everything from your head unit.good luck

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TSBelaCHAN
post Jan 13 2013, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(vickyz @ Jan 13 2013, 08:08 PM)
bro your concept of thinking is wrong.it not mean 150rms direct to your tweeter.150rms per channel for dynaudio is good enough ready.keep in mind that dynaudio is a power hunger speaker.when you listen at volume 20,  its not going to push your tweeter at 150 rms.once yoi done the tuning for overall system, it would match. dynaudio character is thick..so find amps that have characters,  bright,dynamic and very open sounding.Dynaudio is one of my favourite component in earth after morel supremo.

If you play active you no need to add any capacitor or resistor.control everything from your head unit.good luck
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Right, thanks for reminding me about that, kinda slipped my mind that after tuning, it won't drive he full 150Wrms into the tweets.

And... ...., you got me interested in the Morel Supremo....... Do you know who is the authorized dealer in Malaysia?
Or who I could contact for the price for them Supremos???
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post Jan 13 2013, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 13 2013, 08:23 PM)
Right, thanks for reminding me about that, kinda slipped my mind that after tuning, it won't drive he full 150Wrms into the tweets.

And... ...., you got me interested in the Morel Supremo....... Do you know who is the authorized dealer in Malaysia?
Or who I could contact for the price for them Supremos???
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U got pm...
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post Jan 14 2013, 09:39 AM

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feed 200W rms into the dyns... it sends you into hallucinations...

Passives components are only for passive setup, active setup its all direct connections...

Never tried this, but for the rear passengers you could try tap the HU line out directly to the rears, but i think you will have to spend for another component sets for a full range sound. But trust me... front speakers are already enough even for a Hiace H4D.

and to power the Dyns or the Supremo, get a Genesis DMX at least if not Sinfoni... If your budget only allows the Alpine, then no point getting such high end speakers...
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QUOTE(craziechild @ Jan 14 2013, 09:39 AM)
feed 200W rms into the dyns... it sends you into hallucinations...

Passives components are only for passive setup, active setup its all direct connections...

Never tried this, but for the rear passengers you could try tap the HU line out directly to the rears, but i think you will have to spend for another component sets for a full range sound. But trust me... front speakers are already enough even for a Hiace H4D.

and to power the Dyns or the Supremo, get a Genesis DMX at least if not Sinfoni... If your budget only allows the Alpine, then no point getting such high end speakers...
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Why Alpine F4, F6 no good?
Have u heard them powering a good system tuned by a good tuner?
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post Jan 14 2013, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(LoewLim @ Jan 14 2013, 11:07 AM)
Why Alpine F4, F6 no good?
Have u heard them powering a good system tuned by a good tuner?
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There's no great system using alpine amps lol
Those are digital class d amplifiers haha
Better get a good class ab or a amplifier to power good speakers
Class d are efficient and powerful but not good for sound quality smile.gif
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post Jan 14 2013, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Jan 14 2013, 11:33 AM)
There's no great system using alpine amps lol
Those are digital class d amplifiers haha
Better get a good class ab or a amplifier to power good speakers
Class d are efficient and powerful but not good for sound quality smile.gif
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Have u heard these amps or not?
Or ur comment that they are no good for SQ is based on ur assumption that they are class d...
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QUOTE(LoewLim @ Jan 14 2013, 11:48 AM)
Have u heard these amps or not?
Or ur comment that they are no good for SQ is based on ur assumption that they are class d...
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If it sounds good to you, then its a good amp bro
no nid to take other people opinion too heavily sweat.gif

tuning oso important, but first does the equipment have the freedom to tune oso one matter
so, this point oso important than mere "branding"
compare compare first lor with other model/brands, see which one more suit ur "itchy hands"


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post Jan 14 2013, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(LoewLim @ Jan 14 2013, 11:48 AM)
Have u heard these amps or not?
Or ur comment that they are no good for SQ is based on ur assumption that they are class d...
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Yes I have heard them
Yes they sounded clean but not analog sounding means not natural if u know what I mean smile.gif
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post Jan 14 2013, 07:23 PM

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Alpine amps doesnt suit audiophile class and not all amps sound analog.There are very limited amps which sounds very analog & all of them are 90's amps. Nowadays amps & head units are only fr simple music & nt fr those hard core analogue sound lovers. Anyone here who played hi fi 16 years bck would agree with this. Fr simple SQ just buy anything tat sounds good to u. N yes, as Ezmeer said, Alpine amps r clean & thin but not analog

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post Jan 14 2013, 07:39 PM

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Wow, half a day away and so many useful comments!! Keep 'em commin!

Got 2 weeks left to decide, then no need ask opinion liao, just tune =D

The Amp is more or less decided (unfortunately, due to budget of course)

The speakers.... Hehe.... Suggestions anyone? Still leaning to the Dyns!

This post has been edited by BelaCHAN: Jan 14 2013, 07:43 PM
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post Jan 14 2013, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 14 2013, 07:39 PM)
The Amp is more or less decided (unfortunately, due to budget of course)

The speakers.... Hehe.... Suggestions anyone? Still leaning to the Dyns!
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when i first started out, i am determined to have a complete and balanced setup.
the amp selection threw me off balance and alone occupies a good half of my entry level setup budget.

after discussing with all the sifu around here, it is very normal.
to give you an idea:
my entry level component set was around rm600
entry level amp was around rm2k

as sifu craziechild also commented:
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and to power the Dyns or the Supremo, get a Genesis DMX at least if not Sinfoni... If your budget only allows the Alpine, then no point getting such high end speakers...

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post Jan 14 2013, 07:47 PM

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Yes, and need to give credits to bro vickyz : The True Audiophile class sifu!

Gave me quite the insight of what it means and takes to be an audiophile class! Salute!
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post Jan 14 2013, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 14 2013, 07:47 PM)
Yes, and need to give credits to bro vickyz : The True Audiophile class sifu!

Gave me quite the insight of what it means and takes to be an audiophile class! Salute!
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Tq bro BelaCAN fr ur praises - no sifu laa, all of learn new things each day. V share te experience with everyone who hv te same passion smile.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 14 2013, 07:46 PM)
when i first started out, i am determined to have a complete and balanced setup.
the amp selection threw me off balance and alone occupies a good half of my entry level setup budget.

after discussing with all the sifu around here, it is very normal.
to give you an idea:
my entry level component set was around rm600
entry level amp was around rm2k

as sifu craziechild also commented:
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Hmnn... Will seriously reconsider...
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post Jan 14 2013, 09:05 PM

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do a google search on class d amps and tripath technology. u shall understand better. dats wat it makes possible on a small footprint chasis.
on the data sheet it looks good but listening impression is another story.
then again its oso practical to have a small footprint amp if space is an issue.

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