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Running Dynaudio Esotec System 242 ACTIVE, Comments Please!

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LoewLim	Jan 14 2013, 11:07 AM Return to original view \| Post #1
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(craziechild @ Jan 14 2013, 09:39 AM) feed 200W rms into the dyns... it sends you into hallucinations... Passives components are only for passive setup, active setup its all direct connections... Never tried this, but for the rear passengers you could try tap the HU line out directly to the rears, but i think you will have to spend for another component sets for a full range sound. But trust me... front speakers are already enough even for a Hiace H4D. and to power the Dyns or the Supremo, get a Genesis DMX at least if not Sinfoni... If your budget only allows the Alpine, then no point getting such high end speakers... Why Alpine F4, F6 no good? Have u heard them powering a good system tuned by a good tuner?
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LoewLim	Jan 14 2013, 11:48 AM Return to original view \| Post #2
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Jan 14 2013, 11:33 AM) There's no great system using alpine amps lol Those are digital class d amplifiers haha Better get a good class ab or a amplifier to power good speakers Class d are efficient and powerful but not good for sound quality Have u heard these amps or not? Or ur comment that they are no good for SQ is based on ur assumption that they are class d...
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LoewLim	Jan 15 2013, 09:42 AM Return to original view \| Post #3
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Jan 14 2013, 07:02 PM) Yes I have heard them Yes they sounded clean but not analog sounding means not natural if u know what I mean No la.. I nvr meant to take this so heavily... If you said you have heard them and concluded that it didn't sound good... Then fair enough I respect your comments...
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LoewLim	Jan 15 2013, 10:13 AM Return to original view \| Post #4
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 14 2013, 07:39 PM) Wow, half a day away and so many useful comments!! Keep 'em commin! Got 2 weeks left to decide, then no need ask opinion liao, just tune =D The Amp is more or less decided (unfortunately, due to budget of course) The speakers.... Hehe.... Suggestions anyone? Still leaning to the Dyns! Imho... you're good with the amp... since u're running an active system (some say active also nt analog sounding) . As for the Dyns, never heard them... but according to a very reputable tuner in JB who has tuned both Dyns & Morel Supremo. He said you need at least 300w for the tweeters. Not sure how true la... just for reference... Maybe you can try get other speakers which are easier to power. 150w x4 is plenty for most speakers.
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LoewLim	Jan 16 2013, 09:50 AM Return to original view \| Post #5
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(craziechild @ Jan 16 2013, 02:39 AM) Take this in a subtle way, building a system is about balance, there is no point having a finest amp say Luxman CM60000 and a full mohawk drivers... and vice versa. Yes to some point it might sound better than most normal setups, even more classy, but at what cost? With the same amount, getting a mid-ranged amp, a mid-ranged drivers, a good installation could easily surpasses the setup above. but yeah, you lose in being classy though. and for the power, numbers doesn't matter, how clean/stable it is, how does it cope to continuous hi-power burst, is what matters... I am privileged enough to have used a lot of amps, and always have access to a lot of calibrated industrial high-accuracy measuring instruments, I can tell you this, seriously, there are not a lot of them are actually good at it... and yet the mass market worships them... For the power, I am really not sure how true it is, but this is what the tuner shared with me, I am just bring this out for common reference only. For the rest, I respect your point of view. But I cannot agree with all of them. The best measuring instrument is your own ears, and different people hear things differently. It is easy to list down all those prestige products but sadly not many can afford them. I still recommend getting a good tuner to maximise your equipment with whatever budget you have (limited or unlimited). Good tuners utilises speaker placement & active tuning + whatever proprietary techniques to solve/reduce problems in car environment which is limited in space. I've heard high & mid end amplifiers like Harmotech H4, Brax X4, Ground Zero Reference 4 & 4XS, Sinfoni, Genesis Series 3, Steg K series, Mosconi AS, DLS Ultimate, Mcintosh etc etc. And YES they are definitely better than the entry level amplifiers in terms of cleanliness/stability/continuos power/linearity etc etc... However, without good installation/tuning to maximise their full potential, they can sound worse than Audiobank/Mohawk amp powered system... And YES, I've also heard systems that sound powered by normal or shit amp... Give more credit to tuners rather than the brand of the equipment... we should... Just my 2cents... This post has been edited by LoewLim: Jan 16 2013, 11:03 AM
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LoewLim	Jan 16 2013, 09:54 PM Return to original view \| Post #6
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 16 2013, 09:24 PM) Haha =D Actually after giving it some thought, getting amp first might be good also, cause good amp can play for all speakers, but good speakers will only sing with good amps =D But both ways also ok lah, jus need to decide. budget was 1500, now raised to 2000, limit dy. Anything to recommend? =D I'll consider second hand if you're letting go of anything?? How bout consider my SPL digital designs amplifier? hahaha
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LoewLim	Jan 16 2013, 10:07 PM Return to original view \| Post #7
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 16 2013, 10:04 PM) Model of the amp please! need to check on specs and reviews =D SPL is the model or u mean it is for SPL setup? =D If it's meant for SPL setup then sorry, I wouldn't be able to appreciate your amp (",) Digital Designs C4a... Its a company with SPL heritage... hahaha... Check out my sales thread...
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LoewLim	Jan 17 2013, 09:34 AM Return to original view \| Post #8
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(garykam @ Jan 16 2013, 10:53 PM) Amp price always double or triple more than speaker price. If ur speaker is cost 3k, u will need to ready 6k or more to get a proper amp to fully utilise the speaker. for me, u can go for speaker 1st, amp can upgrade later on. Speaker does make a huge different compare to u change an amp. Agree... speaker > amplifier...
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LoewLim	Jan 17 2013, 10:32 AM Return to original view \| Post #9
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 16 2013, 10:22 PM) No bro, u got me wrong. The RM 2K is just for amps. The dyns are >3k for the esotec system 242. And Yah, i'm very well aware that there will be some custom job involved. Question is a bit or a lot only. My car can fit a 6.5" (6.75" actually =D) Boston S60, and with my installer, there's nothing that can't be customed =D Thanks for the feedback and reminder! 2 votes go to getting the speakers first. Anyone else? I've chosen to do it passive in the end, saves me a bit of hassle tuning them (though I won't fully utilize mu HU =D) I think la... I really think la... since you are getting 80prs and the price of 2ch & 4ch doesn't differ too much... It is better to get a 4ch amp run the drivers active utilise the 80prs mah... Then hor... when you wanna upgrade in future you'll have more flexibility mah... IMHO... supplying 200w to passive xover >> tweeter & midbass may not be any better than supplying 100w >> Midbass & 100w >> tweeter actively and you will have more flexibility tweaking the crossover & slope with your 80prs... Please consider carefully... discuss with your tuner...
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LoewLim	Jan 17 2013, 02:44 PM Return to original view \| Post #10
New Member Newbie 0 posts Joined: May 2012	QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Jan 17 2013, 01:55 PM) EXACTLY what I was thinking 3 days ago, before most of you all shot me down. ZZZzz................... Haha, no offence ya! Anyway, will further discuss with my tuner. He noted that going active is good, but will require A LOT of time and effort to get the sound and imaging right, and may not be suitable for the casual SQ music purveyor. That's why in the end I choose to stick to passive. But 2 more weeks to go before I drop the bomb =D So keep feeding back! Haha sorry... I think I was suggesting that I "heard" people saying that Dyn loves power... That is the sifu's opinion la I do not know how true because I have never heard Dyn... You see the Dyn may LOVE additional power but doesn't mean that it NEED the amount of power to sound good. Looking at the specs they are approx. 100w continous handling power + 90db sensitivity, which I think the F6 has enough headroom liao la. I think la... I think only la... Maybe for a start, go with the F6 lo... then in future if you're planning to upgrade to 3 way and find the F6 not analog enough la digital sound la or whatever la... Then switch the F6 to power midbass + woofer lo (3ch mode : 2ch 150w + 1ch 300w)... Get another kaw kaw sinfoni genesis audison la whatever la for tweeter & mid lo... Active is definitely not easy to setup, the sifu has to be very very very patient when tuning especially 3 way... 2 way is slightly easier to tune because problem like phase shift cancellation is less (less only... not totally dun have) likely to arise... In fact to get good sound, staging, focus... It all starts from installation - door panel soundproofing, midbass baffle, A pillar design, speaker placement etc etc... Some people think active is not analog, some people love passive, I won't disagree with any because this is all individual preference... You have to ask yourself what you want... discuss more with your tuner... listen more to his customer's car to have a deeper impression on what type of sound you like... Rather than guessing base on brands, numbers & figures... Hehe... just sharing my experience la... Good luck to you...
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