QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 04:57 PM)
Bull is back.... 
Bull where got leave?CNY mah...
two weeks to get ready...
one week plus to enjoy....
today... open work.
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 Feb 10 2014, 05:01 PM
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CNY mah... two weeks to get ready... one week plus to enjoy.... today... open work. |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 04:57 PM) Bull is back.... Why is bull back, given that:- QE tapering - weaker than expected job creation in the US - foreign funds pull out from Malaysia - ringgit depreciation - weaker consumer sentiment This post has been edited by river.sand: Feb 10 2014, 05:05 PM |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 05:05 PM) Why is bull back, given that: Market is irrational... - QE tapering - weaker than expected job creation in the US - foreign funds pull out from Malaysia - ringgit depreciation - weaker consumer sentiment Anyway what you list above is yesterday's worry... Next worry is see when China's shadow banking blow up...  This post has been edited by gark: Feb 10 2014, 05:11 PM |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 10 2014, 05:01 PM) Bull where got leave? Haha good lah.. i saw some IB predicting 2014 KLSE index >2000 pointsCNY mah... two weeks to get ready... one week plus to enjoy.... today... open work. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by gark: Feb 10 2014, 05:13 PM |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 05:12 PM) Haha good lah.. i saw some IB predicting 2014 KLSE index >2000 points Contradicting their own point? Hmmm... interesting » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «  |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 04:50 PM) If I invest cash in the beginning of the year that is simple. give u my e-mail means revealing my Facebook But in actual case I invested cash throughout the year. Dividends also came in in different time... Better you give me your Excel template lah  My formula: total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100% portfolio VALUE at start of year + (total cash invested/(withdrawn) during the year)/2 That will more or less even out the investments made during the year. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 05:21 PM |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 05:12 PM) Haha good lah.. i saw some IB predicting 2014 KLSE index >2000 points LOL!» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Don't waste time reading those comics. This post has been edited by Boon3: Feb 10 2014, 05:24 PM |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 10 2014, 05:24 PM) LOL! So is this a real bull or those fake one like what we have in segamat? Don't waste time reading those comics. |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 05:20 PM) give u my e-mail means revealing my Facebook email is so yesterday My formula: total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100% portfolio VALUE at start of year + (total cash invested/(withdrawn) during the year)/2 That will more or less even out the investments made during the year.  Ever heard of Dropbox?FB is also very yesterday. I don't even bother to install FB app on my smartphone... So, your formula will only give approximate value |
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Feb 10 2014, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 05:42 PM) email is so yesterday U wanna be more anal? Ever heard of Dropbox?FB is also very yesterday. I don't even bother to install FB app on my smartphone... So, your formula will only give approximate value  total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100% portfolio VALUE at start of year + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Jan x 11.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Feb x 10.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Mar x 9.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Apr x 8.5/12 and so on until Dec This will really smooth out the timing This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 05:54 PM |
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Feb 10 2014, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 05:53 PM) U wanna be more anal? If I sell a counter, but use the cash remains in the trust account, is it still considered cash withdrawn? total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100% portfolio VALUE at start of year + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Jan x 11.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Feb x 10.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Mar x 9.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Apr x 8.5/12 and so on until Dec This will really smooth out the timing |
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Feb 10 2014, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 08:58 PM) If I sell a counter, but use the cash remains in the trust account, is it still considered cash withdrawn? To make things simple, better to treat sale of shares as cash withdrawn.Else u would be incorporating return of your trust account deposit in your P/L calculation This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 09:00 PM |
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Feb 10 2014, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 03:08 PM) I compared against the total return but before deducting sales charge/commission, management fees are already factored into total return. Are you sure it's 9.26%?FBM KLCI past 12-month return...9.26% (from Fundsupermart.com chart generator: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...ter_switch.svdo ). Means that I beat index but underperformed the better local equity fund managers. Some of the funds delivered >20% return...some small-cap funds double of that  Let me check Bloomberg terminal and get back to you on that. |
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Feb 10 2014, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Feb 10 2014, 10:13 PM) Are you sure it's 9.26%? That's what I got from FSM chart centreLet me check Bloomberg terminal and get back to you on that. |
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Feb 11 2014, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 08:59 PM) To make things simple, better to treat sale of shares as cash withdrawn. That means purchase of shares is also treated as cash invested, even if I only use the money in the trust account?Else u would be incorporating return of your trust account deposit in your P/L calculation |
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Feb 11 2014, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 11 2014, 08:37 AM) That means purchase of shares is also treated as cash invested, even if I only use the money in the trust account? CANNOT SAY PURCHASE SHARE BCOS WHEN YOU DISPOSE OFF THE GAIN WILL SUBJECT TO TAX |
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Feb 11 2014, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 10 2014, 09:44 AM) once it crossed 0.7, horse-h! Looking horse-h hor. hold those horse-s  Satu enam la.... |
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Feb 11 2014, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 11 2014, 08:37 AM) That means purchase of shares is also treated as cash invested, even if I only use the money in the trust account? Yes.Purchases = IN Sales = OUT Ignore trust account movements and transactions. |
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Feb 11 2014, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 11 2014, 08:55 AM) Looking horse-h hor. sui sui... TP on the way Satu enam la....  |
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Feb 11 2014, 09:33 AM
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gogogogogo Homeriz....TP Boon is satu enam ^^
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