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river.sand
post Feb 10 2014, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 03:08 PM)
I compared against the total return but before deducting sales charge/commission, management fees are already factored into total return.

FBM KLCI past 12-month return...9.26% (from Fundsupermart.com chart generator: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...ter_switch.svdo ). Means that I beat index but underperformed the better local equity fund managers. Some of the funds delivered >20% return...some small-cap funds double of that sweat.gif
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You really take the pain to work out your return sweat.gif
My portfolio value grew alot from Jan 1, 2013 to Dec 31, 2013, but that's because I injected a lot of cash into my trust account.
Don't know how I can work out the return...


QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 03:52 PM)
Your portfolio is dividend heavy...so is less volatile, have you considered the volatility of your portfolio compared to those portfolio which is primary growth portfolios?

You gotta compare apples to apples...
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Volatile shares may fare better in some years, and do poorly in others. But over long term, say 10 years, I believe volatility doesn't matter as the returns even out...
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post Feb 10 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 04:21 PM)
If u know the formulas, Excel will kaotim all for u wink.gif

Put it simply, profit is calculated by

Portfolio value LESS cash invested (purchases plus transaction fees) ADD cash withdrawn (sales less transaction fees) ADD cash dividends received
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If I invest cash in the beginning of the year that is simple.
But in actual case I invested cash throughout the year. Dividends also came in in different time...

Better you give me your Excel template lah tongue.gif
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post Feb 10 2014, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 04:57 PM)
Bull is back....  hmm.gif
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Why is bull back, given that:
- QE tapering
- weaker than expected job creation in the US
- foreign funds pull out from Malaysia
- ringgit depreciation
- weaker consumer sentiment

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post Feb 10 2014, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 05:20 PM)
give u my e-mail means revealing my Facebook shakehead.gif

My formula:

total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100%
portfolio VALUE at start of year + (total cash invested/(withdrawn) during the year)/2

That will more or less even out the investments made during the year.
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email is so yesterday doh.gif Ever heard of Dropbox?
FB is also very yesterday. I don't even bother to install FB app on my smartphone...

So, your formula will only give approximate value hmm.gif
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post Feb 10 2014, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 05:53 PM)
U wanna be more anal? rolleyes.gif

total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100%

portfolio VALUE at start of year + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Jan x 11.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Feb x 10.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Mar x 9.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Apr x 8.5/12 and so on until Dec tongue.gif

This will really smooth out the timing whistling.gif
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If I sell a counter, but use the cash remains in the trust account, is it still considered cash withdrawn?
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post Feb 11 2014, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 10 2014, 08:59 PM)
To make things simple, better to treat sale of shares as cash withdrawn.

Else u would be incorporating return of your trust account deposit in your P/L calculation
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That means purchase of shares is also treated as cash invested, even if I only use the money in the trust account?
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post Feb 13 2014, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 13 2014, 10:00 AM)
Got another graham net net company.. but the business (Very) stagnant.. however cash rich with very good free cash flows... no debt whatsoever. Net cash per share about 34.7 c / share....

Accounting for the net cash the company is selling at 2x EV/Ebitda...PE 8x,  DY at 6% ..

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This company manufacture raw materials for wood products... with the recent good sales of wood products, wonder will the growth pass on to this company...

Good value or value trap?  hmm.gif
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3*1* also very cheap and gives very good dividend, but I am concerned whether its business is stagnant. Can you advice?

This company distributes watches...
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post Feb 17 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Feb 17 2014, 12:15 PM)
How u all c this news?  hmm.gif


Business NewsHome > Business > Business News

Published: Monday February 17, 2014 MYT 10:56:00 AM
Updated: Monday February 17, 2014 MYT 10:59:06 AM
Foreign funds continue to reduce stakes in Malaysian equities

KUALA LUMPUR: Foreign funds sold net RM760.20mil of Malaysian equities in the week ended Feb 14 which was a slight decline from the net selling of RM1.10bil in the week before, says MIDF Equities Research.

It said on Monday it was the 18th out the 19 weeks where foreign funds were net sellers.

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KLCI still goes up. Maybe because people are waiting for dividend hmm.gif
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post Feb 18 2014, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 18 2014, 11:24 AM)
CBIP!.. boon prediction very cun.. tiap tiap hari 5 sen...  laugh.gif
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Still ok to go in? notworthy.gif
FA please - for mid/long term investment.
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post Feb 19 2014, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Feb 19 2014, 11:07 AM)
Zhulian from RM5 drop until 2.87, that's almost 50% drop

I'm worry there would be major changes in Zhulian's fundamental sweat.gif
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I thought it is related to Thailand's riot?
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post Feb 19 2014, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 19 2014, 11:08 AM)
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You better find big rope and save... tongue.gif

Which 1 more important?
Earnings growth or dividends yield ?

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To me, earning growth translated into dividend growth is the best rolleyes.gif

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