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shahruls
post Nov 4 2015, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Nov 4 2015, 10:27 AM)
both 4k bd player and 4k bd media already out there..
have a survey on this..not that expensive  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Really ? , i thought only early next year will come to malaysia. As i know, only samsung got 4k bd player now.
I just wait for atmos enable speaker to arrive, then all my equipment is ready for latest 4k video & audio atmos,dts x :-)
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post Nov 4 2015, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(shahruls @ Nov 4 2015, 09:41 AM)
Tq so much bro for detail explanation, i have to read twice to understand your point.
I agree , for 480p or sd content, no matter how great the upscalling capability or u got highest spec tv, it will not become 720p. Currently only has downloaded 4k sample video and i can see the details better compare to 1080p. So, I just wonder if upscalling from bd player will enhance upscalling ability that already in 4k tv.
I think better wait and buy 4k bd player with 4k disc , but don't know how much it will cost
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Wait until the pricing coming down bro, just like how the 4K TV pricing dropping to around RM2K (refering to the LG 49" 4K TV).

The major problem is still with the lack of 4K content, even if you search at AMAZON, only a few Bluray title are “Mastered in 4K”, not a 4K disc, just a normal 1080p BD with higher quality mastering.

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post Nov 4 2015, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Nov 4 2015, 10:27 AM)
both 4k bd player and 4k bd media already out there..
have a survey on this..not that expensive  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(shahruls @ Nov 4 2015, 10:38 AM)
Really ? , i thought only early next year will come to malaysia. As i know, only samsung got 4k bd player now.
I just wait for atmos enable speaker to arrive, then all my equipment is ready for latest 4k video & audio  atmos,dts x  :-)
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Still, the 4K BD standard is still very new, not yet any commercial true 4K BD yet.
Those early player will be the prototype that lack a lot refinement.
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post Nov 4 2015, 12:25 PM

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LOL,

Upscaled bdp worth it -- Ok la.. if u say so..
Tru 4k player is still a long way from commercial success.. I tink 1st is Panasonic which had a running prototype..
4k media aka disc is not yet out for commercial use.. I figure it would cost RM200+ in our local shops n maybe USD30+ in AMZ [ entirely, my guess.. ] when first release..
Regular Joes even in western countries are into SD ; even bds are not as popular except in Germany which is 50/50.. when 4k start appearing, first adopters will pay thru their nose..

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post Nov 9 2015, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Nov 4 2015, 12:25 PM)
LOL,

Upscaled bdp worth it -- Ok la.. if u say so..
Tru 4k player is still a long way from commercial success.. I tink 1st is Panasonic which had a running prototype..
4k media aka disc is not yet out for commercial use.. I figure it would cost RM200+ in our local shops n maybe USD30+ in AMZ [ entirely, my guess.. ] when first release..
Regular Joes even in western countries are into SD ; even bds are not as popular except in Germany which is 50/50.. when 4k start appearing, first adopters will pay thru their nose..

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Yes, BDP is not as popular, just that now the basic BDP price is close to DVD player, so can choose BDP over DVD.
There is conflict on 4K though, minimum requirement are supporting HDMI 2.0, and also HEVC/H265 codec.
Not all 4K TV supporting HEVC, and dunno if normal BDP will support those via firmware update, or need a total new player, which can read triple/quad layer bluray disc.
Though normal BDP if can support HEVC can offer better BD quality on 1080p.

But current BD at 1080p still very good.

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post Nov 9 2015, 08:16 AM

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Just wondering guys, how close is 4K video in YouTube as compared to the real one?
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post Nov 9 2015, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(nikrizal @ Nov 9 2015, 08:16 AM)
Just wondering guys, how close is 4K video in YouTube as compared to the real one?
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If compare the 1080p video on Youtube to BD, it is around 20% detail only, so can say quality is pretty bad. They are better than normal DVD. Some file with higher file size will get better quality, but mostly is poorly encoded.

The 4K in Youtube should be the same.

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post Nov 9 2015, 01:37 PM

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Cheapest BD player with network LAN is Samsung BDF5100 RM199.

Cheapest BD player with 4K upscale is Panasonic DMPBDT170 RM379.
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QUOTE(Alan Yee @ Nov 9 2015, 01:30 PM)
If compare the 1080p video on Youtube to BD, it is around 20% detail only, so can say quality is pretty bad. They are better than normal DVD. Some file with higher file size will get better quality, but mostly is poorly encoded.

The 4K in Youtube should be the same.
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ok tq bro
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post Nov 12 2015, 08:34 AM

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IMO,

Upscaling gear is marketing gimmick only.. only de tru blu stuff gives u de detail eg.. upscaled dvdp compared to a bdp playing a HD bd - no comparison at all..

Of cos I m quite blur la..
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post Nov 12 2015, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Nov 12 2015, 08:34 AM)
IMO,

Upscaling gear is marketing gimmick only.. only de tru blu stuff gives u de detail eg.. upscaled dvdp compared to a bdp playing a HD bd - no comparison at all..

Of cos I m quite blur la..
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Upscaling is not just a marketing term, just that the benefit of upscaling is not very obvious.

Like I mention before, DVD player that has HDMI, can set HDMI output resolution to 1080p (TV will detect the input as 1080p), then manufacturer call this DVD "upscaling". Those player apply some upscale algorithm to it, but it is not perfect.

Then, the BD player with 4K output (upscale) can set HDMI output to 4K (TV will detect the input as 4K), then manufacturer will call this 4K "upscaling".

Electronic maker use these term to justified something, they make people confuse where 1080p BD will look good on 4K output, and these player cannot even decode H265/HEVC codec, and all cannot read triple or quad layer BD disc.

Truth is, normal BD player outputting in 1080p resolution will be almost the same as those 4K upscale player.
All 4K TV will "upscale" anything that input via any source regardless of resolution.

The more easy term is, the TV will fit the video to occupy the whole TV screen, just like how computer or laptop do when we play video file, where we can choose to fit the video to full screen, or in "Windowed" mode.

So, only a true 4K BD player, that can decode H265/HEVC, and read quad layer BD will provide significant better video quality.

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post Nov 13 2015, 10:50 AM

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Haha,

Meaning.. for me.. of cos there are bros who can tell a difference..
I did add, tat l am 'blur'..

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hahaha... all these 4K upscale babble. for me it's just a marketing ploy or gimmick like bro dirt mentioned... just to confuse the average joe.

let's put it this way... it is actually just to make one feel good (like malay saying "saja nak sedapkan hati..." nod.gif ); say if someone already have hundreds and hundreds of dvd in his/her collection, surely by the ability to upscale to a "HD" will make one feel it is not necessary to upgrade his/her collection to HD content yet, since that would mean to replace the entire collection all over again laugh.gif in actuality, no way "upscaling" is close to an actual HD content per say... like blu-ray or hd-dvd (before its demise). likewise to 4K upscaling... although now there is yet a truly 4K content in a disc; not counting mastered in 4K.

the terminology and marketing always to confuse... and it is not only happening now. see back then when dvd was first coined to be a truly "digital" format (hence Digital Video Disc); how can it be truly a "true" digital when the video output back then was either a composite, s-video or component which are all analog... only data contained in the disc are in digital. another example like the term "LED tv" when in actuality it is just a "LED-backlit LCD display..." tongue.gif

but that is just my 2-cent perception of the whole thing... i could be very wrong though whistling.gif
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post Nov 14 2015, 11:27 PM

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After Spectre, time to revisit Skyfall...
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post Nov 15 2015, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Hartigan @ Nov 14 2015, 11:27 PM)
After Spectre, time to revisit Skyfall...
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yup, good choice.... funny thing is i have watched Spectre, but not yet Skyfall.... blush.gif i knew there is a certain storyline/plot that has happened on Skyfall and has resulted/affected in the outcome of Spectre's story.... tongue.gif but i'm ok with it... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(fadthil @ Nov 14 2015, 01:33 AM)
hahaha... all these 4K upscale babble. for me it's just a marketing ploy or gimmick like bro dirt mentioned... just to confuse the average joe.

let's put it this way... it is actually just to make one feel good (like malay saying "saja nak sedapkan hati..."  nod.gif ); say if someone already have hundreds and hundreds of dvd in his/her collection, surely by the ability to upscale to a "HD" will make one feel it is not necessary to upgrade his/her collection to HD content yet, since that would mean to replace the entire collection all over again laugh.gif in actuality, no way "upscaling" is close to an actual HD content per say... like blu-ray or hd-dvd (before its demise). likewise to 4K upscaling... although now there is yet a truly 4K content in a disc; not counting mastered in 4K.

the terminology and marketing always to confuse... and it is not only happening now. see back then when dvd was first coined to be a truly "digital" format (hence Digital Video Disc); how can it be truly a "true" digital when the video output back then was either a composite, s-video or component which are all analog... only data contained in the disc are in digital. another example like the term "LED tv" when in actuality it is just a "LED-backlit LCD display..."  tongue.gif

but that is just my 2-cent perception of the whole thing... i could be very wrong though  whistling.gif
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Actually 4K itself is already quite gimmicky.
Today go and saw a PS3 in action on playing HD game, the 70" Full HD LCD totally show off how a HD game should be played.
A good Full HD display, and a good source of Full HD is enough for great viewing experience.

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QUOTE(fadthil @ Nov 15 2015, 01:12 PM)
yup, good choice.... funny thing is i have watched Spectre, but not yet Skyfall....  blush.gif  i knew there is a certain storyline/plot that has happened on Skyfall and has resulted/affected in the outcome of Spectre's story.... tongue.gif  but i'm ok with it... whistling.gif
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Well, I have to say that if you like Spectre, then you going to love Skyfall as well biggrin.gif , both are great Bond films from Daniel Craig, and yet it's from the director Sam Mendes!
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post Nov 18 2015, 12:48 PM

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with the current exchange rate. no sure is it worth getting bd during black.
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post Nov 18 2015, 02:08 PM

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anyone have a list of cheap amazon bluray already?
those time trigger event
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Nov 18 2015, 02:08 PM)
anyone have a list of cheap amazon bluray already?
those time trigger event
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do you have the link to the list...?

Btw, Speedy (or is it Ezy?) is having a sales at level UG of Paradigm Mall in Kelana Jaya (open area infront of H&M and Sephora outlet) where they are selling all blu-rays (that display there of course) for RM50 a piece... i don't know whether that's dirt cheap, cheap or expensive... hmm.gif but one can consider with the current US/Ringgit exchange rate situation. If anyone curious, can head down there... nod.gif

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