Hello,

I am still a student and would like to enquire whether is it suitable to get a proton savvy (manual) for around that budget? Year of the car is around 2007-2009

Let's just say the car is in a good condition and stuff like that? How much will the maintenance fees cost?

My budget for a car is around rm 10000-15000 and I would love to get a car which suits my needs.

1) I am studying in perak and based in kl
2) I would only drive back to kl once in 4-5 months.
3) Will drive around alot in perak area.
4) Is it troublesome to get a service maintenance in perak?

If not, what other cars should i get? Please rule out kelisa, viva and kenari. Thanks


If can get a good car, probably i can top till rm20000.

if want to find reliable car go for kelisa...parts everywhere..

savvy is a renault....parts a bit expensive..such as timing belt..sensor..and etc..and need to find a good mechanic..but if you love it, why not? go for it..summore manual should not be much problem...

Hi, bro

Savvy has been outdated car & maintenance service quite expansive & the water condenssor only allow using battery water.

If you don't mind of kelisa or viva got more 2nd hand value.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 18 2012, 07:20 AM

which maintenance expensive?

it run ron95 , can use mineral oil.

timing belt dayco 100k rm280 install rm110-120

oil filter share same with proton waja

replaceable air filter rm18-20 ,

wheel bearing share same with aveo ,

plug cable + distributor , comes together just rm180 .

taiwan,local , ignition coil , better than original

everything is cheaper since mass produce ,

so indirectly u are hearsay only..........

This post has been edited by myva: Dec 18 2012, 07:52 AM

not worth it if you ask around, even proton themselves have been critical of the low quality control over the car, many lemons out there. but you may get a great one, who knows...

No to amt savvy

Manual is good I have few friends using it till now they love the car to max!

From what I know, fc is damn good

if you can find a good condition manual savvy, just go for it

kelisa/kenari/viva vs savvy

---the cost of changing kelisa/kenari/viva engine mounting wont justify the total cost of maintaining savvy,
--- savvy has solid body (use high tensile steel)
--- savvy can change to 4e-fte engine (sleeper car)

TS is wise to rule out kelisa/kenari/viva

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Added on December 18, 2012, 9:44 amother than savvy manual, id recommend wira se manual (one with all disc brakes)

This post has been edited by malutapimau: Dec 18 2012, 09:44 AM

Don't go for proton second hand cars. They have really bad disc brakes. I spent like 5k on the disc brake, my car still skids and don't break too well.

what did you fix that cost you 5k?

frm what i know, for any cars the only brake parts that need occasional change either brake pads/shoes or brake rotors

poton brake pads cost <100
and last i check poton brake rotor also cost ~100 for a pair

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/650157/all

This post has been edited by malutapimau: Dec 18 2012, 10:36 AM

lol pure rubbish. i change my disc both front side rm230, rm260 include labor. Brake Service Kit rm80. Original brake pads RM80. RM420 all in and you get a new braking system. You must be listen some T,D, and Henry go install some slotted disc with extra powderful braided kit and some ceramic rubbers la. lol

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Added on December 18, 2012, 10:41 amWell said.. When someone don't own the car.. they just listen to some bawah pokok mech and rule out.. oh service savvy ah? very expensive one.. The problem is that the mech himself had never service one before perhaps. Though I'm not driving my savvy anymore but to be honest at that price... The CAR is WELL worth it.. Not for the AMT though.

This post has been edited by kidmad: Dec 18 2012, 10:41 AM

You laugh lah. One year later, when rain the road get wet then you brake hard and car skid...don't go crying momma.

even i sold off my savvy, but i still miss the car so much.
the handling, the fuel consumption, the safety, the cheap maintenance.
the reason i sold off is because i choose the wrong transmission and it start occurred problem when it comes to 5 years old.

I do that everyday when i was driving my savvy. With the ABS I always get to brake on time and after changing the braking system it was as good as new. You can laugh all the way you want but for someone who said he spent RM5k? I just gotta lol hard. You think you are getting a pair of brembo slotted disc and calippers? hahahaha

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Added on December 18, 2012, 10:55 amso what are you driving now?

This post has been edited by kidmad: Dec 18 2012, 10:55 AM

fiesta

I am talking about proton wira. A lot of people i know got brake problems.

Yes I can imagine you laughing while you driving, hahahahahahaha......woooooohhhhh Bang !

bro that car is much better than savvy ma. In terms of handling, performance and also safety feature. haha

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Added on December 18, 2012, 11:02 am.... WIRA RM5k? you must be kidding me. Eh i have a 14 year old proton wira at home.. Disc change normal OSK ones rm200 include siap pasang.. do regular brake kit maintenance and change rubbers every 50k km.. It's still strong until today.. again.. RM5k? LOL if you know nutz better not make yourself look stupid here.

This post has been edited by kidmad: Dec 18 2012, 11:06 AM

You look even more stupid. You must be BS all the way.

I am talking about 12 years of continual repairs on my wira. Not one shot repair.

... from RM5k repair brake now to 12 yeas continous repair on your wira? which is which? you better make up your mind and stop twisting your words.

TS.. Do you think RM5k repair for the past 12 years for a Proton Car is cheap? Now he just said it's cheap not me..

Well, I used to own 1986 1st gen saga, 1991 Saga Aeroback, 1998 Iswara, 2001 Proton Wira, currently own 2004 Proton Waja, 2006 Satria Neo, 2012 Exora bold cfe


None of them have braking problem

This post has been edited by neo1point3: Dec 18 2012, 11:21 AM

rm5k repair for 12 years.. good lei..
T, H, even Mazda major service will go beyond 1k.. i think is 3 year once?
12/3 = 4.. seanng senang 4k gone

This post has been edited by wailup: Dec 18 2012, 11:25 AM

You're twisting my words. I never said its cheap. READ PROPERLY.

You better make up your own eyes, and wear more thicker spectacles.

well said, i have a savvy hline in my stables and i can safely say it never produced any problems to me. All i did is find a Renault specialist workshop to service my Savvy, and since then the car never gave me problems at all.

Just make sure dont go back to Proton or normal workshop for repairs and service, they know nuts. Go for Renault specialist.

Hello,

Thanks for the suggestion sifus of fast and furious forum sub-section.

Ok. Since it's really hard for me to digest, I would be honest with my whole situation now.

1) I have a quite old kancil and would like to upgrade, thus the proton savvy since it's 1.2l, usage of around 2-4 years only, everything is good except for the maintenance fees... (car mileage around 40k km to 50k km) - is this considered good for a few years car?
2) is it possible to find renault car service centre in ipoh?
3) I prefer an auto transmission but if manual, i can think of getting it as well
4) budget of rm 10k-15k is what my parents offer me
5) planning to use the car for at least 6-8 years


I am getting a 2nd hand car, so i dont think the 2nd hand or 3rd hand value suggestion matters since I wont be selling it away till many years to come and most importantly, by that time , I would have change to a better car.

Thus, would like to ask, savvy really do have a lot of problems? that's why people are selling it cheap? or is it because it has stopped production? It's really scary to see a good car at only rm 10k-15k with only 2-4 years of usage.

I'm only solely talking about MT as AMT really have alot of problems and i wouldnt want to waste my money to change the gearbox that might cost rm10k??


Sorry if I sounded noobish, the course I'm studying is totally unrelated to such automobile topics

Thanks alot!

This post has been edited by klaus91: Dec 18 2012, 11:35 AM

you're absolutely correct.
go for renault specialist

The main reason 2nd hand savvy selling cheap because most of the people got brainwashed that all savvy is problematic car. Yes, the amt version is problematic but not the manual. The manual is pretty good, renault engine is reliable and so much better than campro. Savvy wins many award in fuel consumption before viva existed.

2. Renault ipoh service centre

Thanks so much for the information. Well, guess savvy might be the ideal car for me then. How do we check whether a savvy is a good deal or not? in terms of mileage, years of usage, manual transmission?

Savvy gets a bad rap because Proton does not know how to service and repair it, more so for the AMT variant.

Those enthusiasts who knows where and how to maintain the car, very few have complaints about it.

get the facelifted version after year 2007. Mileage doesn't really matter just make sure timing belt is change... new... make sure it's manual.. drive the car no jerking and smoth transmission in and out and so on so forth. get as cheap as possible if can find 10k then get the 10k. spend about rm2k.. you can nearly refurbish all the lubes and rubbers in the savvy.

Timing Belt Kit Rm300 dayco.. some can get cheaper
Ignition cable and coil RM600 renault original - can be bought separately
modify tdc sensor rm30
gearbox oil rm200 - make sure it Elf Tranself NFJ 75W-80
Engine oil 10w-30/4-0 - rm80 - rm120
brake fluid, brake service kit, front rubbers - RM50 - 2 bottles, RM120, RM80
If too much vibration .. nego for more discount - change all engine mounting around rm550 - rm650 depending where you get it done
turn your steering to the right. Check under the wheel arch if there is brown oil dripping it means the suis needs changing ady.. nego another rm310 for that

other than that it's all bushes and rubber as well.

WOW! thanks dude! really informative...

Hmmm savvy after year 2007 are all facelifted? i saw one with R3 body kit and it looks good... can i consider even that? hmmmm i kinda worried about the mileage... wow the cost of changing the parts also cost so much... means most likely i will have to get a rm10k car and try to upgrade as much as possible?

how about other cars such as wira or iswara or blm saga?

PLease test drive the savvy first.

The clutch is a pain.

But you can never find a good small car that feels safe at high speed such as the savvy (within that budget).

I sold mine coz i had excess of cars which i was not using. i drive hard. Jumping off holes and bumps and the car is still firm and can go straight (no major alignment required). I kissed into a kerb once which required some repairs to the rear wheel. Note that you do not have to realign the rear wheels.

check out savoc.net for more info.

If it was not for my ligament, i would have bought another one.

First, it's savvy, then Wira, now 'continual repair'..next, maybe you include normal routine service and change engine oil and pump petrol also???
I think this statement has just proven you to be an idiot or a liar or both. Take your pick.

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Added on December 19, 2012, 11:55 amThis i can sorta agree. For guys, should be ok, but ladies better not. Btw, i onced fetch 6 people in my Savvy....went over bump but didn't really slow down...everyone screaming the car will hit the bump, but it didn't and everyone was suprised....haha.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Dec 19 2012, 11:55 AM

Bro those parts are tear and wear part la. Most of the car would also need to change them unless it's a brand new car la. Iswara timing belt is cheaper bout rm200 all in but you gonna get a box running around lor. and FC gonna suffer for a little. not too much. Wira? err too old ady.

As long as you think it looks good then you can give it a test ride. That's why buying a savvy is a + point. you can get something as cheap as possible, then slowly refurbish them yourself. Btw the list provided isn't necessary for you to change all of them Only change them when it's needed to. haha

My fren got a sawi for few years and i did drove a few times what i can summarized is it is a solid car, can take punishment with rough driving, underpowered a lil, not a comfortable ride, decent cabin space and fuel saving.

Yeah and you know how to twist and turn my words.

Matrix and kidmax...all proton nutcase and nutjobs.

No wonder you nutjobs are stuck with protons, you spend so much on them that you can't afford better cars.

Good luck to travel back to the dark ages...

You are an even bigger idiot than I thought.

Smart alec.

This post has been edited by Alvin330000421: Dec 19 2012, 12:57 PM

Twist your words??? LOL. I think everyone can see what you did there. Nuff said.

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Added on December 19, 2012, 2:13 pmActually, it's quiet a comfortable ride, way better than a Mawi which i used to own. But yes, it is a bit underpowered. But can't expect much from the 1.2cc engine.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Dec 19 2012, 02:13 PM

Now i see this world still as dumb @xx. hahaha

Look, at least I honest about proton cars.

But since you proton ultras want to defend your cars to end of the earth be my guest.

Don't come crying momma when your proton cars skid all over the place.

You pay peanuts for caveman car, you get caveman car.

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Added on December 19, 2012, 3:07 pmReason why you see the world is dumb because you are dumb.

You will pay the price for being a proton ultra.

Good luck in your stupidity. If you car accident due to your over-reliance on its defects, you only have yourself to blame. I hope I don't find you between the mangle wreck of your super proton car.

This post has been edited by Alvin330000421: Dec 19 2012, 03:08 PM

2 days ago at Puncak Jalil, Myvi skids, enters opposing lane, hits a Honda city, airbags deploy, driver dies anyway.



Let's see you be honest about Perodua cars as well.

And while you're at it, be honest about Toyota too,



This post has been edited by dares: Dec 19 2012, 03:24 PM

What to do? Myvi don't have electronic break assist and stability system. Not saying that cars with those will not hv accidents but will reduce the probabilities.

This raining season, so far I saw three proton accident cause massive jam - one fell into a ditch beside plus highway.

I better change my proton car before I end up one of the fatalities.

Nobody's twisting your words. You said clearly you spent 5K on brakes and then when questioned on why so expensive, you then said it was 12 years of repair bills and not one shot.

Don't go insulting people if you cannot remember what you said.

And just in-case you can't remember what you said...

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Dec 19 2012, 04:07 PM

drive safe guys..
nw i also confuse,should i take savvy or city idsi..

test drive both and then decide. I will tell you the experience that I have with savvy, then again my arse is not yours right?

so whats best for me might not be best for you

heres my take
if you want handling get a savvy, quite nimble to move around town and please get manual savvy
if you want fuel saving get city idsi --> driven from KLIA --> kuantan --> kemaman --> kuantan baru refuel hiway speed 130-140 and town driving.

This post has been edited by SlomoX: Dec 19 2012, 05:03 PM

yea.i look for fc low.that why i choose this both..

FC is awesome, handling and car chassis is awesome, feels stable at highway speed!

However, need to find good mechanic to maintain the car, we have some common problems among all Savvy's, but good mechanic ( who knows about Renault engines) should be able to solve it.

I'm a happy Savvy MT owner for 4 years already, feel free to ask me for more info.

are you serious? Honda IDSI is like 3 x savvy... adding on you pray hard the gearbox will have no issue in the x number of years.

This i do agree, somehow idsi has issues with the gearbox

i agree. people are just brainwashed about its "problems" and spare parts etc etc. this perception has reduce its resale value a lot.

if not i would not be driving one since 7 years ago. daily car still now.

This post has been edited by phas3r: Dec 19 2012, 10:18 PM

Look here, mr staff.

I did not insult that fella, if he has something constructive to say, say it.

But don't call people stupid or idiot or live under a cave, thats what exactly that fella (proton ultras) did.

There are some jokers (ultras) here who like to flame other people because they think they know the world about car mechanics.

If they wanna win people to their opinion, they should at least say it in a civilised manner, but they have to go and badger me..of which i have no choice but to defend myself.

If that fella had said things more constructively, i would have just merely agreed...but due to bad upbringing of that fella (or childlishness), I have to defend myself because I am tired of these proton ultras, where you can't even say a thing about the proton car..they are so darn defensive about their ridiculous proton cars....almost to the level of low self esteem, maybe they all know that this car is so overlook but people still have no choice but to buy it.

dude, seriously you should stop posting to defend yourself and making you look bad. I dont see other forumners calling you names while i can see you throwing names at them on your own accord.

maybe youre just unlucky to own a proton with all the disk problems, but when you say something like what you said earlier you need to justify it. I myself used to own 4 proton cars (one of them is wira) and i never had to fork out that much money to fix it.

i think you should calm down before lambasting people who doesnt agree on what youve posted.

FYI, im not proton ultras, i used to own them. now i drive a T,H and V

This post has been edited by SlomoX: Dec 20 2012, 09:50 AM

It is not your place to judge them. You are not their parents or teacher. All I know in here is that they were correct to point out your mistake. Your replies were not constructive either and flaming back is not called defending. You have brought this flame from another topic into this one and I want this to stop.

Until now you have not defended yourself on the RM5k statement that you made and don't talk about defending yourself. What do you know about upbringing when you are insulting him the same way you said he insulted you. Aren't you the same since you just insulted his upbringing?

You want constructive discussion, then ignore him like he is ignoring you and discuss, not flame. This forum is not about a competition about how wins or loses or who gets the last word in.

He flamed me...first, ya know. It is a competition to him.

No, I am not the same. When he call people stupid, he already insulted people's upbringing.

If he disagreed on my 5k settlement, he should have at least say that he disagreed, no need to call people stupid. Anyhow, its common sense that people with lack of civilised upbringing would call people like this. After all, we come into the forum to get info on cars. I can take feedback and disagreements but I will not stand for people insulting me.

Come on, Mr Mod...Come on....of course I am not 100% well versed in cars. If I am the sifu of cars, I wouldn't be bothered to come here. If I have error in typing something then somebody point it out, ok...fine. But don't point it out, like saying ot other people "eh, you so stupid..hahahaha, where can this happen, you get cheated like this, because you hahahaha...". You know what i mean.

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Added on December 20, 2012, 11:29 amNames? They use the words like stupid...that is not insulting enough?

I know people who say a lot of things to defend themselves like Hugo Chavez and Our esteem Mahathir. Yet how they can go up to lead the country?

I am not saying that I am hugo chavez or mahathir but this is what I have to do...to stand up..

And then do I have to come out with a Thesis? Or with a report from the manufacturer? By the way, Hyundai's report that their chasis save fuel consumption came out short when checked by american motor assoc.

I give some layman comment...if I get disagreements...fine...but don't call me stupid...I dislike that.

People like kidmax..want to butt out all the laypeople from here and replace them with his "genius" proton ultra professors. We laypeople may say some wrong stuffs, but point them out to us in civilised way, we will respect the feedback...so as long as we are not branded as stupid or misfits.

This post has been edited by Alvin330000421: Dec 20 2012, 11:35 AM

I'm no longer asking you to justify yourself anymore. I'm asking you nicely to stop. You are just disrupting the topics with this never ending ranting. This is not your blog. This stops here.

@Alvin330000421 Ops, i did a recheck and i did mentioned that you should not post the wrong information to make yourself look stupid. Okay I'm sorry if you are offended with this but i didn't mean to call you stupid directly.

This post has been edited by kidmad: Dec 20 2012, 11:58 AM

the idsi would like 3x savvy price ...if FC really ur concern i think the saved money from buying idsi instead of city is more than enuf for petrol for many years

The AMT problem is sensor on gear box. Check that part first. This is mention by owner of Savvy.

what do you mean??not really get what u mean..

A 2007 City IDSI is about 45k

A 2007 Savvy Manual is about 12k

buying one City IDSI is like getting three Savvy Manual (with balance summore). If FC is your concern, getting a Savvy will save you RM33k for fuel instead of getting a RM45k City ISDI

I see..Yea..That true..But i scare about the maintenence.That why i need to ask savvy owner.
and one is Idsi is more good for travel.

join savoc.net

they are expert enuff to advise u.

like one of the guys said, the problem is the mechanic.

regular maintenance is like normal car. not more than rm 300. i can't remember coz i sold mine in 2009. however, once in a while, parts like sensors mayneed replacing. i dnno thecost coz they are cheaper now. for me to quote the price then is a misstatement. use the timing belt kit as a benchmark. if u can afford the timing belt without burden, then u can afford the car. i sold mine coz my spouse worked in the same company during the time.

im using 2005 amt, so far now big problem. maintenance like normal.

i think im one of those lucky amt owners. haha

I don't think City IDSL can beat Savvy in FC. Anyway, the IDSI gearbox is full of problems, which explains the current City use back normal AT gears now.

conclusion is savvy?bt i found that Chevrolet aveo also good

another 2005 Savvy owner here.. an excellent daily workhorse I would say..

the thing that is you need to savvy enough about cars so you won't get conned easily...any car will have a problem or more even for a 100k car...

so far no problems for our 2005 savvy and 2009 BLM SE..proton is that bad? nah not really.

yup..i get feedback that savvy good for daily work..savvy still in my list.
nw want to find out about getz 1.4

may i know...how much is the cost to replcae the savvy manual clutch?

need to ask the savvy owner..=)

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Added on January 6, 2013, 2:50 pmneed to ask the savvy owner..=)

This post has been edited by ArthurMickey: Jan 6 2013, 02:50 PM