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 Megadosing Fish Oil, Are you actually getting enough EPA/DHA?

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post Dec 16 2012, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(enix2000 @ Dec 14 2012, 09:30 PM)
Just bought Scott's Fish oil 1000mg. Recommend to take 1 capsule daily but I've taken 2 (2,000mg). Only RM22 for 60 capsule.
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this is the on that i take
each capsule EPA 180mg DHA 120mg only
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post Dec 17 2012, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(enix2000 @ Dec 15 2012, 09:06 PM)
Total content is 1000mg
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QUOTE(raul88 @ Dec 16 2012, 07:31 AM)
this is the on that i take
each capsule EPA 180mg DHA 120mg only
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enix2000, raul88 is right on the EPA and DHA contents of Scott's fish oil that you've bought hence the the lower price.

Link to concise info from the MIMS: http://www.mims.com.my/Malaysia/drug/info/...s%20Fish%20Oil/

since you're only taking 2 capsules a day, you're getting less than 1g of EPA/DHA combined daily. in order to reach the 30g per day target you'd need to be consuming close to 100 capsules a day. consuming fish oil in liquid form would be the better choice in this case provided the potency of the EPA/DHA are around the 1g mark per tsp. even if you're targetting 4g of EPA/DHA a day, you'll have to consume at least 10 capsules a day.
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post Dec 17 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(whatdamn @ Dec 15 2012, 04:05 AM)
the only issues with fish oils is that it thins your blood, so if you're on any such medication, it wouldn't be a good idea to megadose on it. the cod liver oil on the other hand has vitamins A and D in them and i believe in much larger quantities, one could possible suffer vitamin A toxicity. i've not looked at journals for a particular number before one experiences this though.
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I somehow never got the same effect with cod liver oil compared to fish oil tablets.

As for fish oil and medication, I do have a friend who absolutely cannot take any fish oil supplements because it interferes with his diabetic medication. Said that the fish oil will stop the medication from working and he can blackout within 1 hour of taking fish oil.
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post Dec 17 2012, 02:14 PM

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i will take fish oil
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post Dec 18 2012, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Dec 16 2012, 10:03 PM)
I somehow never got the same effect with cod liver oil compared to fish oil tablets.

As for fish oil and medication, I do have a friend who absolutely cannot take any fish oil supplements because it interferes with his diabetic medication. Said that the fish oil will stop the medication from working and he can blackout within 1 hour of taking fish oil.
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your friend must have a severe case of diabetes for a little fish oil to have such an effect on his blood glucose levels. probably a higher dose of the diabetic medication is required for this but again, if he wishes to continue with fish oil then he should check with his doctor.


Added on December 19, 2012, 1:33 pmalmost at the end of the bottle. the bottom part tastes the worst as the orange flavour is concentrated at the bottom. ugh!

on the up side, i seem to be having fewer pains than before. only time will tell.

This post has been edited by whatdamn: Dec 19 2012, 01:33 PM
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post Dec 31 2012, 12:53 PM

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does the normal fish oils capsules that we consume contains vitamin D?
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post Dec 31 2012, 01:23 PM

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Spend a bit more time in the sun...that'll give you free vitamin D. tongue.gif
Mammals' body can synthesize it under sunlight. Made from cholesterol I think.

it is naturally found in fish oil (it is oil soluble), and so yes they may contain Vitamin D. I believe the nutritional info on the packaging/bottle may tell you if they have Vitamin D or not.
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post Dec 31 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Dec 31 2012, 01:23 PM)
Spend a bit more time in the sun...that'll give you free vitamin D.  tongue.gif
Mammals' body can synthesize it under sunlight. Made from cholesterol I think.

it is naturally found in fish oil (it is oil soluble), and so yes they may contain Vitamin D. I believe the nutritional info on the packaging/bottle may tell you if they have Vitamin D or not.
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I had checked on at the nutri info at the bottle and it only states the EPA and DHA content...no vitamin D though.


Added on December 31, 2012, 1:47 pm
QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Dec 31 2012, 01:23 PM)
Spend a bit more time in the sun...that'll give you free vitamin D.  tongue.gif
Mammals' body can synthesize it under sunlight. Made from cholesterol I think.

it is naturally found in fish oil (it is oil soluble), and so yes they may contain Vitamin D. I believe the nutritional info on the packaging/bottle may tell you if they have Vitamin D or not.
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I had checked on at the nutri info at the bottle and it only states the EPA and DHA content...no vitamin D though.

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post Dec 31 2012, 02:56 PM

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They're types of Omega 3 fats.
They usually have vitamin D. Maybe some manufacturers distill them out of the oil, for people with sufficient vitamin D levels.

I'm really quite into this because my parents are taking them and the bottles are everywhere in my house. laugh.gif
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post Dec 31 2012, 03:30 PM

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fish oil is best taken at optimum dosage and that would be 1g of epa/dha per day. But some considerations need to be taken first;-

a) dha is said to be good to young children in their growing phase by creating new brain cells.

b) epa on the other hand is good for improving cognitive functions resulting from mental decline,dementia etc etc bottom line good for adult

most fish oils sold in malaysia have minimum fish oil content which is 180mg of epa and 120g of dha. This is far below the optimum dosage needed for

anyone to feel the therapeutic effect which one would benefit from taking fish oils. (research/goggling can be done to know the recommended dosage)

Iherb is a good place for finding fish oils that suit your preferences, been ordering for a year now. heres the link iherb

DON'T GET ME WRONG, im not their sales rep and i would never be. But this website has helped me finding some supplements that i could not find locally.

All fish oils are not created equally hence a few ringgits go a long way brows.gif

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some are selling salmon fish oil... wuts the difference
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post Dec 31 2012, 09:21 PM

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anyone here know chia seeds? It's also a good source of omega-3 fatty acids.

Chia Seeds


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after a while on experimenting with this whole fish oil business, my findings are this:

liquid fish oil > capsule fish oil

reason being, the liquid just doesn't seem to give me at least shitty shits if you know what i mean. for some odd reason the capsule ones give me the above problem even with 5g of EPA/DHA.

there is a solution around this though which is to slowly consume the capsule fish oils over the course of the day. however, because of the amount being consumed, you'll finish the typical 90-120 caps bottle in a day or two. just like eating a bag of sweets really.

on the up side, my joints feel really well lubricated especially when squatting. for me at least.
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post Jan 30 2013, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(shadowz @ Dec 8 2012, 12:16 AM)
Fuyo. Nice high potency fish oil there. Over 1700mg for one or two tablespoon? Damage not that bad either considering the $/mg and how overpriced the lousy ones can be sold for.

I think I will stick to my 1.2g a day for now tongue.gif Maybe when finances allow in future will bump to 2-3g but too poor now-need to stretch supplements to last.
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QUOTE(shadowz @ Dec 8 2012, 12:50 AM)
Per TEAspoon? Wow! That is amazing value! Definitely investing in that after my current tablets finish rclxms.gif Thanks for sharing!
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Actually that is kind of the norm for fish oil in liquid form. Consider this:

1 teaspoon = 5ml
5ml = 5000mg (in the case of water)

Since oil is lighter than water, hence 5ml = 4150mg (in the case of the fish oil shown by whatdamn)
The total EPA/DHA = 1550mg (I'm ignoring the other Omega 3 since not consistently reported by diff brands)
So the % concentration = 37.3%

In the end what this tells you is that the volume of oil in a softgel is very small, like quarter-teaspoon. Much of the cost is in encapsulating the oil in the softgel, hence if you want to megadose then liquid is the economical option. The fish oil shown has slightly above average % concentration. The average is 30%, i.e. one softgel of 1000mg fish oil only contains 300mg of EPA/DHA.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 30 2013, 08:58 PM)
Actually that is kind of the norm for fish oil in liquid form. Consider this:

1 teaspoon = 5ml
5ml = 5000mg (in the case of water)

Since oil is lighter than water, hence 5ml = 4150mg (in the case of the fish oil shown by whatdamn)
The total EPA/DHA = 1550mg (I'm ignoring the other Omega 3 since not consistently reported by diff brands)
So the % concentration = 37.3%

In the end what this tells you is that the volume of oil in a softgel is very small, like quarter-teaspoon. Much of the cost is in encapsulating the oil in the softgel, hence if you want to megadose then liquid is the economical option. The fish oil shown has slightly above average % concentration. The average is 30%, i.e. one softgel of 1000mg fish oil only contains 300mg of EPA/DHA.
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Listen to this guy. He knows his stuff. Damn good supp seller too.
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 30 2013, 08:58 PM)
Actually that is kind of the norm for fish oil in liquid form. Consider this:

1 teaspoon = 5ml
5ml = 5000mg (in the case of water)

Since oil is lighter than water, hence 5ml = 4150mg (in the case of the fish oil shown by whatdamn)
The total EPA/DHA = 1550mg (I'm ignoring the other Omega 3 since not consistently reported by diff brands)
So the % concentration = 37.3%

In the end what this tells you is that the volume of oil in a softgel is very small, like quarter-teaspoon. Much of the cost is in encapsulating the oil in the softgel, hence if you want to megadose then liquid is the economical option. The fish oil shown has slightly above average % concentration. The average is 30%, i.e. one softgel of 1000mg fish oil only contains 300mg of EPA/DHA.
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Oooohh that explains alot! Thank you for the info notworthy.gif

QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jan 31 2013, 01:15 PM)
Listen to this guy. He knows his stuff. Damn good supp seller too.
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Yes he is. Very knowledgeable and patient to answer questions. wub.gif Also had the pleasure to get supps from him rclxms.gif Recommended!
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post Feb 1 2013, 08:39 AM

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try and get the mega strength EPA / DHA ones..not cheap but it works.

whether or not you need mega dosing depends also on your training regime, most suitable if your joints are taking battering from heavy training. it does work but takes a few weeks to kick in.

around 10-15 pills of the high strength varities does the trick,
fish burps!!! biggrin.gif
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Lately Googling FISH OIL gets a lot of disclaimers saying no benefit.

Wondering here whether proponents have counter-arguments?

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 13 2012, 07:13 PM)
how about taking COD Liver Oil in liquid form instead? easier to find and cheaper than Fish Oil.

but don't know will overdose of Vit D and A, or not..
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Not recommended to megadose Cod Liver Oil.
Unlike Fish Oil, Cod Liver Oil contains more Vitamin D rather than Omega-3.
Excessive intake will certainly induce hypervitaminosis D; causing muscle weakness, loss of bone density, fatique, kidney failure, kidney stones, constipation and vomitting; since you will also produce Vitamin D under the sunlight.
Search on the net and you will find out why it is a worse alternative.


http://www.livestrong.com/article/474462-i...lets-dangerous/
http://arthritis.emedtv.com/cod-liver-oil/...l-overdose.html
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QUOTE(yingchai @ Dec 31 2012, 09:21 PM)
anyone here know chia seeds? It's also a good source of omega-3 fatty acids.

Chia Seeds
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Plant-based Omega-3 supplements such as chia seeds and flax seeds are good alternative for vegetarians.
However, it contains APA which have to be convered to DHA and EPA in our body, and our conversion is very inefficient.
To match them up, one need to megadose in order to match with one capsule of fish oil.
Try to search it up more, as I try not to get into the technicalities.

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