http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showuser=686752

Mr Tan Soo Min aka tsmin84 selling a Alienware M11x R2. Last Wednesday (28 Nov) I bank in RM 1250 for the M11x. The day before bank in, we discuss a little. I did sms him and call him. I ask him does he have previous record of selling stuff. He give me a number, the person name (Rashidi Awang Abu) and what he sold (Aspire 4743).

So I give him a call, he sound nice and fine. He said he operate CC and HP shop. i ask him to cod at my location but he couldnt because got business. So he offer me to use Nationwide courier to post the laptop and he will cover the cost as well. So the next day I bank in to him. So i ask him to give me tracking number after post the laptop.

On nov 29 he sms me "otw to office sending u later. dont worry already send" . so I ask him to give me tracking number again, he replied "bro my man will forward to you" . At 8:45pm night, he give me a code " cd 152056688my " . I buy and sell a lot in lowyat. So I know this is poslaju tracking number. Not nationwide. Then 10:11pm he sms "sorry i think they send wrong code. urs was nationwide. will forward to you later on". after few hours i sms him "how is it" few times already.

On nov 30 he sms me, "sorry for the late, im on my way to office get it for u the code. I might send it to u before 1:30pm, or do inform me if u receive parcel ". after two hours i sms him how is it, he replid "30min". In 1:30pm, he said "bro really sorry.. im getting mistake dis time. my man today only send ur item. im so sorry on that, pls gv me ur acc. I will rebate rm50 for my mistake. ur item code cd 174414078 already send out just now. im sorry "

at this time i already think he is very fishy. i reply him, are u sure u use nationwide. the code is invalid. he reply me using poslaju coz nationwide we cant send out by today.

at the end of the day, never rebate, no email me the slip.

Dec 1, he say if still not rcv today. i will refund to me and he say seriously have post. The code until now also I couldnt track.

Dec 2, he say he will transfer the money from CIMB to my Maybank account by today and give me a reference number. As I didn't encounter transfer before. I don't know what to do with reference number. He told me he use GIRO transfer which need 2 to 3 working days for me to receive

Dec 3, he ask me did I receive the parcel. Obviously NOTHING !! he tell me he will go check it by tomorrow morning and he asked CIMB, told me that I will receive my payment after 6pm.

Dec 4, he told me he just called CIMB and ask me to wait until tomorrow morning. If not the amount will return to his account and he will withdraw and bank in for me.

Dec 5, I still haven't receive any money. 4:18pm he say he in CIMB now withdraw money and I might have it before 5:30pm.
4:40 pm he told me his friend going to bank in RM900 for me and after 7pm will be another RM400.

Just now 6:09pm he say he will get the money later, the guy (not sure who) are on the way.

His phone number: 012 5098 139

CIMB number: 07350007643521

Still can call in but not one answer, just reply my SMS



Forumer you are complaining against: tsmin84 aka Mr Tan Soo Min

Item being sold/bought: M11x R2

Original thread link: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2601702&hl=

Date of transaction: 28 Nov

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 5 2012, 07:54 PM

dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
hes a newbie...
always practice COD when dealing with member <1 year

im so stupid

next move - police report.

never trust a newbie ... especially in selling things .. please do COD 1st ..
TS, this mistake is rookie mistake

is it effective? the other buyer also have same problem.

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Added on December 5, 2012, 9:33 pmthink in a bright side, luckily not 10k lost. btw, the seller number still can call in, no pick up

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 5 2012, 09:33 PM

After seeing your case here, bro. I try to dig dig for you, and i found something fishy here.
one of the thread created by tsmin84
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2600351&hl= selling this acer aspire. The photo is taken from
http://benyouhui.it168.com/home.php?mod=sp...o=album&id=6150 ( baolianliang )- china - so mean he is stealing picture from this guy.
In this thread he posted the ad Nov 23 2012, 04:42 AM, and he get pm from http://forum.lowyat.net/user/ideal2u @ Nov 23 2012, 10:28 AM and item sold @ Nov 24 2012, 08:13 AM , this is so fast.
And look furthermore inside, i found that tsmin84 and ideal2u might be the same guy !!!

The way of typing of this 2 person is almost the same as you can see here. I
n the most weird part they log off the same time !!!

Maybe you will need to ask admin to check their ip. Hope this info can help you.

This post has been edited by ChooseACase: Dec 5 2012, 10:55 PM

omg! yah! i got another number. which i get from another buyer. he said he open cc and hp shop also. but when i ask him is it mr tan soo min and say is ideal something i cant hear clearly , he say no. he say he only use maybank and another bank! wtf

so the one i call is also the ideal guy i speak with just now!

edit: the another buyer, he bought rm600 cpu from another chinese forum. but he also havent receive. his location in kl as well.

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 6 2012, 12:47 AM

Bro, i understand you are a trader, but seem like you are not doing your homework before you bank-in the money.
after i search about the alienware u know what i found. http://obsoletegamer.com/the-alienware-m11x-r2-review/
He got the notebook photo from here.
Another thing this Tan soo min sound like a women name to me, i don't think is the real culprit name. Try search the name using the 2 phone number you got. 0125098139- tsmin84 ideal2u
edited

Please Asap to go to make police report.
I think you better contact with this jenny ang to check who is this tan soo min.

This post has been edited by ChooseACase: Dec 8 2012, 01:50 AM

haiz ya. i blame myself for that. this is the first and last time i do postage. next time all COD.
tomorrow i will update the address for his shop and link from the another buyer. let just call him Winson.




This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 8 2012, 01:45 AM

You mean he told you his name is Winson? can i have the exact Cimb account you bank in- such as full name and account no. I try to help you check with my member in Cimb Bank.

This post has been edited by ChooseACase: Dec 6 2012, 01:40 AM

http://www.tagter.com/web/about_us.asp?fid=&web=ideal2u-YK

His name is start with Teo

How you bank in to him ?? do you keep record ? The full name of the Cimb account holder you bank into is ?

no no. the other buyer he told me in nov 28 is not actually a malay. is a chinese call winson. he buy two cpu from this guy and also havent receive. he bought earlier than me.

the cimb number is on my first post. Name: Tan Soo Min

thank you so much bro. need to hunt this man down before many ppl get scam!

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Added on December 6, 2012, 1:44 amyes. cimb receipt is with me

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 6 2012, 01:44 AM

I think this Tan soo min belongs to a girl. I will check it out for you.

TS, your location in Penang as well? which area?

Both definitely are dupe.

On line and offline the same time.

sunway subang. if im at penang sure find this fella!

You can PM the seller and let him know about this dispute. If he didnt show up then just make police report with all the evidence you have got in your hands..

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OT:

Not sure is his dupe or not but this davidsakir guy is quite suspicious also..

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...sult_type=posts

Can check he ask people PM best price since he join yesterday 10:09PM till 10:15PM. Recorded total of 12 PM best price post in 6 minutes.

This post has been edited by StratOS: Dec 6 2012, 02:05 AM

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Added on December 6, 2012, 2:07 amdafuq! maybe he want help bump thread

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 8 2012, 01:45 AM

After some checking, this is all related

tsmin84

Ykay84

ideal2u

And all of them is a dupe of real person here

teoyeku


I hv check teoyeku sales thread and i found his phone number

0174366666 (SOURCE)

From there i found this


SOURCE

If, u do check the products he sell, just similar as what u found earlier


SOURCE


After that, i google tan soo min in FB, and luckily i found him (Yes, he is a guy, judging from the profile pic)


SOURCE

How do i confirm he is the TAN SOO MIN we talking about? I check his fren list,



And YK TEO is in his fren list.


SOURCE

So, either Tan Soo Min has been used, or they really gang up together to scam, we dont know about that.

But, what i do know, they are close fren at least (Check the chat box), and i guess thats is the Cyber Cafe he talking about on his sales.



And this is how teoyeku looks like




Not enuf to believe? Recognize this?



I guess none of the address is his, but this might be closed


SOURCE

as you can see the ad posting using his main number, 0174366666 from his main acc here, teoyeku

So, good luck TS. Report them both or we see what he will respond.

This post has been edited by Apis_LuaLua: Dec 6 2012, 02:57 AM

man. this is deep. first time encounter scam. dono where to start from. actually im a sabahan just come kl to study. stay in kl for few months only. apis where is ur location? perhaps we can discuss with Winson( the other victim) together report

Its not hard, print out all this proof, meet up with that winson, and go to police station to pool report. I am not near either.

seriouslybroh,sorry for u.but u shouldnt have made the purchase when seeing his post count.

if u see some people here,they put their succesful transaction customer's list.that is proof that he is indeed a seller,not a scammer.

if buying from someone with no record,COD is the only option.

btw,lodge a police report.if can get an address from him paste it in /k/.we will help you

Details updated in the Blacklist Thread

apis do u get paid helping people find the details ?

Nice job Bro !!! as i can see this yk teo is friend/boss of Tan soo min, Add them in facebook. question them .

Not a cent bro. Err.. why?

who is the bank account under?
i think ts should just private msg the friends
ask him bring the culprit out
else all their name go polis

now i still dont know which fella scam me. so many people. I think this weekend I will meet up with that winson.

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Added on December 6, 2012, 7:53 amis it a good idea if I sms warn them I will lodge police if not giving me back the money? Telling them I have all their details.

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Added on December 6, 2012, 7:55 amthis will be the last time I buy from postage unless they have more than 10 successful tradelist.

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 6 2012, 07:55 AM

Regardless effective or not you should do your part and make the police report

Go and make police report 1st la!
Before you get more hurt!

sorry dude
i check their facebook
none of them got common fren with me
if got then i can still help u ask around

all the best
make sure sms warm him/her and lodge police report

I got a Mutual friend with Gigawhite Black. I'll check with my friend and see how it goes, will PM you about any updates.

Yes thats a gud idea ts. Let them know. Pm teoyeku about this thread.

i will do it this weekend or tomorrow. this week busy with test

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Added on December 6, 2012, 10:19 amokay. pming him now.

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Added on December 6, 2012, 10:20 amlooking foward from you. thanks

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Added on December 6, 2012, 10:26 amAlready pm all account and number. Waiting for their reply. I told them tomorrow is the last day for them to refund me.

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 6 2012, 10:26 AM

At least we know he already notice it

UPDATE: Just now 0164914555 Mr Teo call me. He say Tan Soo Min is using his identity.

Mr Teo open CC before and Tan Soo Min is his ex worker. Now the CC is sold and all the PC is sold. Last left 2 unit Tan Soo Min is sold to another buyer (Winson).

And about the alienware. He say that laptop is long time ago. But he didn't mention to me the laptop is with him or sold already or not.

Now he is going to find Tan Soo Min for using his identity (open CC and HP shop)
Mr Teo say he have a police friend and just now Mr Teo ask about my detail (got bank in slip or not, when bank in etc)

Hope I'll be getting my money back soon.

Dont get too excited 1st bro.. dont cool down until u see your money in.

This post has been edited by Apis_LuaLua: Dec 6 2012, 12:26 PM

because I sms him telling that I got all their details and warn them. but i didn't tell him this thread. the account tsmin could be run by his ex worker Tan Soo Min.

Yesterday I call him mention who is Tan Soo Min, he say don't know. Just now when he call me, he say suddenly remind him of his ex worker Tan Soo Min

edit : I sms to all the phone numbers. lol

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 6 2012, 12:30 PM

Just proceed with your police report to push them. Many case like this, false hope from seller to make sure you wont bother to do a police report or at least drag you to not do a police report.

No need to give face on this case, just make a police report. OR you can do it this way, give him a time frame when to refund you. No money in then do police report.

yup. I give him time frame until tomorrow. If no, I meet up with another victim to do report in police station.

Remember to update the first post with the scan or picture image of the police report as prove to the seller you have made a real report.

sure will. now waiting update from those numbers.

I think you can get paid really well by being a web investigator...your work is awesome

+99999999

THANKS ABANG APIS !

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Added on December 6, 2012, 5:55 pmUPDATE : The boss (Mr Teo) said he went to his house, nobody there. And within today and tonight he will find him out. There are 3 victim total up he said.
Me, Winson and another malay guy also from KL. Tonight he will update if there's anything.

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 6 2012, 05:55 PM

WOW！！　Detective Apis, good job there!
What a scam & detective thread i've ever seen

I think you should contact Tan soo min in facebook also, i got a feeling Yeo is behind all these thing here. They are closed friend, how can he "forgotten" him and remind of him suddenly.

Just now Winson called me how the situation going. We decided to lodge police report tomorrow if tonight we couldn't get the money.
If they have the will to give us back, they already did. We don't care Teo or Tan Soo Min which one of them cheat us, we report both of them.
Too many lies.


UPDATE: Promise to bank in RM250 cash + RM500 cheque as he not enough cash and another RM500 settle within next week friday.

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Added on December 8, 2012, 12:43 amMr Teo said don't contact or call Gigawhite, Miss Jenny. This person have nothing to do with this whole thing. I will close thread for now. Mr Teo already paid me RM750. The rest will settle next week. People who help me are much appreciated

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 8 2012, 12:43 AM

settled??
I think Bro apis better take down the girl info and pic.

go to his FB page and post this tread

He already refund me RM250. Now left RM1000. RM500 cheque I still didn't receive and another RM500 he will bank in to me.

Better follow closely, on Dec 6 he say he will bank in cheque. now is 14th, take so long to clear?

Dec 6 he say bank in cheque. So Dec 7 is he bank in cheque actual day. Then follow up is weekend so can't receive. I receive it at Dec 10 which is Monday.

In my current amount it did credit RM500 but available don't have. Then Dec 11 it debit my RM500. I called him, he say check in Dec 12.

Then after few hours he call me back (as he is busy), he say that one of my full name letter spell wrong or wrote wrong. So they debit back my RM500.

Last night he say go bank in my RM500 (not the cheque), he say he went few branch but all didn't work. That time is around 12pm++ midnight.

Just now call him, he say will bank in at 5 something afternoon.

Today must settle all the money because last week he promise me to clear within this Friday

obviously the cheque bound. How can he write wrongly the name if you gave the details correctly .ermm better give him a time frame . or lipot polis

I think Apis should open like a donation account on Paypal. So whoever he helps, if they feel like wanna give some tip to Apis can donate liao.

ya. i must settle it ASAP. sigh my exam start next week. really wish to settle it before my exam so I can concerntrate

lol tabung Lua Lua?

haha... he does do a whole lot of work to help people who have been scammed.

An advise. Try Calling the your bank, and ask for the reason of the cheque bound. See he got cheat you or not .

hmm. I will do that if tonight he cannot make it. Coz he also got send the cheque bank in receipt for me.

how come only refund rm250 ? while not refund all at 1 time ?
i think he is purposely drag it..

pay u rm250 - then u cannnot make police report already... he can say already refunded...

I dont know but few days ago got a fella PM me as well say that he get scam. I will just give him time until today.
Maybe he need pay many people money lol

Oh my god, why the same thing keeps repeat again & again.

Recently so many newly registered member I also scare, want deal also very scare liao even COD. Con rate keep increasing

UPDATE: He use his friend account Maybank2u to transfer RM850 at 10:01(last night) to my account but I never receive until now. He did snap shot the successful transfer page for me. But I still doesn't receive it. Is it Maybank lag or something?

This post has been edited by Xirality: Dec 15 2012, 11:54 AM

got reference number 1 ma right ? call up maybank and check...
where got so coincident maybank lag ?

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Added on December 15, 2012, 9:01 pmyalor...
i think they always get attracted by "too good to be true"...
ended up, get nothing..

even, old member also did the same... like ayil's case(got reputation) - some how still cheat ppl...



i advice guys should at least go for COD ....



This post has been edited by steven.sl86: Dec 15 2012, 09:01 PM

This will be my LAST POSTAGE DEAL. Lesson learned

I call up maybank last night already, they said must the people who transfer money to report. Cannot the one who receive

just called up maybank again and bang them..
said u just want to check if this transaction is true or false ?

Because that tan soo min, can do like this..

step1: transfer money to you
step2: wait till transaction success then make print screen
step3: then call back maybank to cancel that transaction


when u transfer money, u always received sms from bank mentioned """u have transfered rm xxx to xxx person, if u didnt make this transaction, please call xxxx number"""



just call up bank and confirm this transaction or go to maybank branch... just tell them your situation - they will help you to check 1.

i will do it tomorrow. he also got forward me the SMS from maybank. I dono it is legit or not, since he could be edit the SMS of last time transaction.

The funny thing is, the accent between his friend (which I call this afternoon) and him is quite similar.

Penang phone. 012 -4xxxx or 016-4xxxx

check carefully . if the number is not same . please request some information from trader.
not only bank.

and say really. if make a police report. police will just leave a record on it , they wont take any serious
action if you are not VIP <- duit kopi .
But even you give them, they will roughly check a while , then will ignore it ( some buyer told me before )


and hope , YA , prefer COD , but when request postage ( just a choice )
please request information from buyer
the information is privacy but as a serious dealer , should be give ( depend on what information )

this should be give you a lesson on it =)

no update?

It's confirmed fake one because he should have just entered your hp number when in the process of transferring the money. Why put his own number for bank confirmation...makes no sense and yes he could have just make up the message to further make you believe he already transferred the money to you

Correct me if I am wrong but this only apply to any interbank transaction, not within same bank. Once the money is in your account, no one can revert it back. Still I might be wrong here.

what im trying to say is, even the scammer show screenshot that successfully transferred money to his account..
he can immediate call bank to stop it alot.

After reading the whole story, I think the best action to do now is "REPORT POLICE"...

No point let the owner or the conman to contact you with all the transfer problems they are trying to so called "refund you". Just bring all the on-hand evidence (bank-in slip, sms, emails, etc) to the police and report the two person. I think they pulling each other back and continue to drag you.

Good luck bro...

why wanna hassle to really transfer and revert? just do photoshop edit can do the trick.

After days of waiting. Money fully refund and Mr Teo promise to refund Winson money as well.

CASE CLOSED