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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V36, I can carry 56 liulian. No belip me ah?

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davidke20
post Dec 19 2012, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Dec 19 2012, 04:30 PM)
I just visited them they show me the clutch cover, releasing bearing, clutch hose and clutch disc also got problem, need to change full set they quote me price RM920 ... they do send my repair order and call to Proton HQ to ask HQ whether under warranty but what they said is it is not under warranty WTH. If originally it got problem like parts crack/ dented/ malfunction that only cover in warranty ..... WTF  mad.gif eventhough say is 1 wear warranty but the clutch part actually only cover for 6 months warranty .... >.<
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Sad to learn that you're having trouble with that. I believe this is isolated case, cause not every GaGa got the same problem. I think RM920 is a little too much for just the clutch issue. I have never spent more than RM500 on clutch(besides of 1 time changed to RALLYART Twin plate clutch). If you have time, don't mind answer me few questions?

1) When you see red light ahead when approaching junction, you hit the clutch pedal let your car roll? Or free gear? Or let the car continue cruise until very near then clutch + brake?
2) When you're driving in town, you engaged 2nd gear continue following traffic, your left foot is on the floor or on the pedal standing by?
3) When you go uphill, you continue adjust your clutch against your accelerator? Or you downshift+slam on gas pedal go tauke?
4) If you're on a slope, stopped at traffic light. You pull hand brake? Or engage gear use clutch to hold the car from rolling back?
5) Traffic jam, stop and go. You use 2nd gear or 1st gear?

My ex-colleague did all 5 with "CORRECT" answer, he burnt his clutch on the 1st week he owned his BLM whistling.gif Cost of repair RM600 + RM300 tow truck from Karak haiwei back to Setapak. yawn.gif
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post Dec 19 2012, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Dec 19 2012, 07:46 PM)
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I just change filamen bulb to LED bulb, 3 pieces RM32.

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btw, did you check whether the "dual function" is function properly? When brake that time go different mou? Mine waste gas, brake no function sad.gif

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post Dec 19 2012, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Dec 19 2012, 08:15 PM)
1. What i do is red light i will free gear and let it slowly roll
2. 2nd gear if smooth i will rest my foot d instead of standby at clutch pedal
3. for uphill if speed can't catch up I will downshift then accelerate and adjust gear with correct speed
4. for up slope stop i normally use handbrake
5. stop and go at 1st gear
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u've got all the answers "wrong". given any magician can tell ur clutch was fried caused by the jammed up bearing. u see how u wanna fiht them la. I ady give u all the clue. not much i can do for u liao. if u decided to fuck warranty, do outside can be really cheap yawn.gif
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post Dec 19 2012, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Dec 19 2012, 08:45 PM)

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post Dec 19 2012, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Dec 19 2012, 09:46 PM)
can share the right answer?
not driving a manual but wanna know the correct way.
last time when i drive

1)i hit the clutch to let my car roll
2)most of the time my leg is standing by for the 1st to 3rd gear
3)normally will adjust the clutch against the accelerator
4)Never pull handbrake. used foot brake instead. not heel and toe lah. but engage gear and clutch first release foot brake only accelerate to minimise rollback
5)1st gear. not very good in stop and go at second gear.

do correct my mistake. want to drive correctly.
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Jason,

There's no right or wrong. Because to each right answers, there's a little bit wrong on the other side. So, here I explain YOUR driving style what may harm and what may not.


Q1) When you see red light ahead when approaching junction, you hit the clutch pedal let your car roll? Or free gear? Or let the car continue cruise until very near then clutch + brake?
Your answer: i hit the clutch to let my car roll
- Clutch spring faster kong. The longer you do this, you'll realize clutch pedal action getting lower and lower, finally very hard to engage gear. Lowest harm is free gear and relax. Pull handbrake and wait for green light(if you remember your driving instructor teaches you, the stopping method is 100% correct, free gear and pull hand brake when fully stopped). However, not everybody can catch the right gear to engage back if traffic light suddenly turned green. Do you guys still remember the "jarak 3 kereta" law? It doesn't exist for no reason. As for me, sorry I did not practice all these, I use the most harm method, which is double clutch downshift engine brake until the car stop only clutch and release gear. If I'm driving fast, will have to heel & toe(on Gabby only, GaGa heel & toe = jerk like mad)

Q2) When you're driving in town, you engaged 2nd gear continue following traffic, your left foot is on the floor or on the pedal standing by?
Your answer: most of the time my leg is standing by for the 1st to 3rd gear
- Due to nature of hydraulic clutch, even touching the clutch pedal will simulate hydraulic action. If your left foot is as heavy as Fubar, good chance you damage both clutch spring and clutch pad together. Otherwise, only the spring being de-tension. My practice is move my left foot away from the clutch pedal as soon as I fully release clutch.

Q3) When you go uphill, you continue adjust your clutch against your accelerator? Or you downshift+slam on gas pedal go tauke?
Your answer: normally will adjust the clutch against the accelerator
- Grind clutch pad, bearing strain, spring de-tension. This 1 no doubt, up hill need some skill(especially with parents in the car, that's the greatest challenge). When going up hill, one need to downshift maintain higher RPM without putting strain on the clutch spring and other components.

Q4) If you're on a slope, stopped at traffic light. You pull hand brake? Or engage gear use clutch to hold the car from rolling back?
Your answer: Never pull handbrake. used foot brake instead. not heel and toe lah. but engage gear and clutch first release foot brake only accelerate to minimise rollback

- Everytime you do that, it grind the most clutch pad. Much serious than you do wheel spin. Pull hand brake allow you to have time to adjust your clutch/accelerator pedal work when the light turned green. At the same time, that is the only time you can test your handbrake whether it's working.

Q5) Traffic jam, stop and go. You use 2nd gear or 1st gear?
Your answer: 1st gear. not very good in stop and go at second gear.
- 1st gear is always a better choice. However, if not fully stop and you have not press on clutch pedal, whilst you're still in 2nd gear, then no need to purposely de-clutch and engage 1st gear. My father is those type of, even the car fully stopped also refused to change back to 1st gear, pickup with 2nd gear and let the clutch pad grind doh.gif

This is your rubber, that transfer torque from flywheel to your pressure plate
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This is your pressure plate, the weight your left feet experienced is the spring on this pressure plate
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This is a good idea to show you, how it looks like when clutch pad being grind off, botak! No more rubber!!! This is unker style driving that always pickup from 2nd gear, use a lot of clutch work to maintain car at slope on traffic light. The flywheel side of the clutch pad will worn off 1st, and you will not be able to realize your clutch koyak until 1 day you engaged gear, release clutch press gas pedal, RPM goes up but the car aint move at all.
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This is a good idea to show you, how it looks like after the moron who bought an unker car, then drive it like a dragster. Wheel spun too much, double declutch at wrong RPM, heel & toe at wrong RPM, pressure plate side rubber will be ripped apart!!!! When that happened, immediately you'll know. Either you can't use 1,2,3,4th gear, or all gear also kenot be used. The lucky moron who owned this car and these photos managed to kick in 3rd gear and drive back to magician there and change whole clutch set.
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post Dec 20 2012, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Dec 19 2012, 11:41 PM)
for 4AT, what need to be concerned?
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AT? Change fluid more often. If possible every engine oil change also change 1 time fluid. Cheap expansive doesn't matter as long viscosity correct, the culprit that kills an AT is dirt. If you see high level flood water, AT car are FORBIDDEN to try your luck. I know some smarty pants will say can use L gear to pass, I knew that worked very well. The problem is, whenever you drive through flood, water tend to leak INTO your transmission, then your ATF become milk color and losses its protection. Let alone so many rubbish, sand, dust, metal, glass being pressed into your AT gearbox, your AT dun die fast I dun belib!!!!!

Since we're not talking about fuel save tip, just drive usually. Reason for people who buy AT car, simply because they couldn't care much on how to use correct ratio and let the "system" do it's job, and that is exactly what you get. Just drive + regular maintenance. Don't push from D to R or vice versa when the car is motion.

QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Dec 19 2012, 11:47 PM)
How about when you're reaching road's hump? Do you hit the clutch, let car roll and go over the hump?  unsure.gif
Thanks for the info btw. Sometimes I will hit the clutch and let the car roll when approaching red lights  doh.gif
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My way? Double clutch, down shift to 2nd gear for small but harsh harms, release clutch pedal running through around 10km/h. If big hump. Double clutch, downshift to 3rd gear, release clutch then pedal to metal, fly over! icon_idea.gif

However, your way is not wrong. Sometimes I do that when I need to be extremely slow, may be fetching parents/kids in the car. Couldn't bother straining the pressure plate/bearing. yawn.gif In the end, the whole set of clutch + labor is less then 500 bucks, and could last me 3~4 years with my aggressive driving style. Consider worthy liao mellow.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Dec 20 2012, 12:35 AM)
Taiko thn mt gb mah kong quite fast already been in he dirt three times liao... btw u forget sumhing le.
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i hope your GB live long and make you prosper. notworthy.gif

i didn't forget, not convenient jek. will try to do it within this week. sorry to drag you abit. notworthy.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(asrul @ Dec 20 2012, 08:28 AM)
im talking about sound proof bonet tu la  doh.gif
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Itu barang mengikut "tulang" bonet mia sponge tak boley menyerap bunyik injin sangat. Tapi kebaekan dia mengurangkan bunyik bergegar bila idling rendah. Nanti ujan mia time bila hujan hentak atas bonet mia pak pak pak pak sound pun akan dikurangkan.
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post Dec 20 2012, 11:24 AM

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GPMM,

As I said, shift up & release clutch pedal continue driving. I didn't say use 1st gear uphill 5krpm all the way.

Dares,

BiBa got higer score on the ancap crash test compare to GaGa. Talk about safety?
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post Dec 20 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 20 2012, 11:49 AM)
ANCAP never tested Biba. Besides, I was comparing Meevee to Biba.
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post Dec 20 2012, 12:47 PM

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Congrats to Gary! Don't forget to wheelspin infront of Plotong SC when u kolek car that time icon_idea.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 03:49 PM

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I just caused an expansive accident to 1 arsehole & 1 poor dugong sleep.gif go back home do picture illustration for u guys
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post Dec 20 2012, 04:26 PM

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I'm alright, I just CAUSE of the accident. sleep.gif it wouldn't happened if I'm not there do the trick sleep.gif Later go home oni draw for u guys lar.
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post Dec 20 2012, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Dec 20 2012, 07:07 PM)
Bad news David.

Our 3rd brake lamp got circuit detector circuit by ECU. Thats why my car engine indicator light ON. doh.gif

When we turn our key to ignition, they will provide 12V (battery level) to check the 3rd brake lamp. When we plug in filamen bulb, the bulb resistance @ cold is around 1-2ohm, which virtually equal to short circuit and bring the checking voltage to 0V, so the ECU is detect close loop. When i plug in LED, i notice the LED got light up slightly even i dun press brake. I check with meter, it only able to drop to 7V with LED plug in, so thats the culprit.
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Meanwhile, why so hard to draw with MS Paint? sleep.gif can't wait to tell you guys story
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post Dec 20 2012, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(nickzkuso @ Dec 20 2012, 10:16 PM)
This is possible culprit why my cluster light for persona do not bright back after I install HID..
But after drex remove the hid and try oso canot.. Haha..
Hvnt try to remove the foglamp cause according to shorty is plug in via stock socket so shud be not a problem..
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Same since few days ago and just proceed.. Haha
I don't have money to buy EO liao..
Some member feel castrol will have more vibrations oso..maybe try Rock oil or Caltex doh.gif
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Dude, HID need the EMI filter to prevent radio/electrical component interference. If that thing f***ed up, your ECU program will also go cigaoxin geh whistling.gif When that happened, unplugging the HID does not mean your ECU will be back to normal, cause the program has been altered by the radio interference. mellow.gif Good luck. I'm not saying EA no good, just that I saw this happened to BMW before, after HID kena kaw kaw, until remove HID + reset ECU to back to normal whistling.gif I seriously hope your's is not the case nod.gif

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post Dec 21 2012, 01:29 AM

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1) Saw a platinum silver car by the roadside, purposely slow down and look see look see
2) Afterward stopped infront of traffic light, but the platinum silver car suddenly jump beside me wanna cut queue
3) Then I engaged 1st gear, release clutch wheelspun abit pretend pickup(still red light)
4) Then the platinum silver car launched and hit a white animal

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post Dec 21 2012, 01:54 AM

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I drive very slowly right infront of the scene, sumore roll down my window shout very loud "WAH....." after that I M.Y.O.B jor since I still got work to do. Later in the evening, I went repork pulis as a witness, since the white animal is innocent victim whistling.gif

My repork is roughly below:

"Bila saya berada di Jalan J*gr* dari Jalan Sulta A**** S*m*d berhadapan Mayban, saya berhenti di depan lampu trafik kerana masa itu lampu merah. Tiba² ada satu kereta membawak dengan laju potong Q dari sebelah kiri saya. Kereta tersebut belok kanan menuju ke P*nt*i M*r*b walaupon lampu masih merah lagi. Akhirnya saya nampak kereta toyota dari arah P*nt*i M*r*b terlanggar kereta yang langgar lampu merah itu. Saya tidak nampak nombor kedua² kenderaan tersebut sebab saya takut nanti saya bawak terlalu lambat mungkin akan menyebabkan kemalangan. Sekian laporan saya."

I hope the white animal didn't lose his NCD lah whistling.gif Pity him.
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Dec 21 2012, 01:34 AM)
well me no see how is that your fault.. lol
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it's not about kepoh, its some red car caused that accident(prior to that, the red car was triggered by the platinum silver car moron behavior) understand? don't be so naive sleep.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Dec 21 2012, 01:36 AM)
The whatcarisdat run red light becoz he thinks you dowan to let him cut in?

Edit : holy shet is that a Panamera?
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To answer your 1st question. Obviously yes! Although I can't see inside that Platinum Silver car due to the heavy tinting, but can justify from the angle of its nose like almost going to tell me fuck off right infront of my little red riding hood sleep.gif As soon as I jerk my car forward abit, then...

its a Platinum Silver Metallic car, don't make me an arse saying it out lar sleep.gif

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post Dec 21 2012, 09:24 AM

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r3apers,

Its Platinum Silver Metallic car. Sendiri go Google lar sleep.gif real arsehole that car. Hu in the right mind will drib a million ringgit kar to bully a Gabby? sleep.gif

s@ni,

So, huat do u sajes? Go sei "hai! Do u need help?" ar? blink.gif
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Kena 3 parking saman in same day sleep.gif

1) Went to ofiz without paying parkingtiket, thought very fast gao dim. In the end counter not enuf change go mamak change money waited 5 minutes, come back ady kena 1.

2) Got small change liao, paid 3 hours paking!!! Happily went ofiz. Just now lunch saw another paking tiket! WTF?! Then only realize my saman terbalik! So I turn back the tiket

3) Now about time to do field work, went kolek car, another saman! Paking tiket sudah lupus doh.gif

Makai! Karma sofast cum back find me liao sleep.gif

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