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post Nov 27 2012, 01:52 PM, updated 13y ago

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post Nov 27 2012, 01:59 PM

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So boxing day gathering guys?
The Curve?
Led, KoolSpyda, Duke, Moody and who else?

Moody, just drink Coke with Panadol la. Same effect. LOL
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MYRAWK really needs to find a new home, and new leader.

btw, about spurs...i guess LFC arent embarassed about their 8-game unbeaten streak tongue.gif
this is from their official LFC tracker app.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 01:59 PM)
So boxing day gathering guys?
The Curve?
Led, KoolSpyda, Duke, Moody and who else?

Moody, just drink Coke with Panadol la. Same effect. LOL
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if our team score then i'll put mentos pulak eh biggrin.gif
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post Nov 27 2012, 02:02 PM

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Duke's preview of the Spurs match, a bit wasted to be left behind in the old thread laugh.gif :
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 12:46 PM)
Spurs vs Liverpool Preview

The last time we played Spurs at the lane, they hit 4 past us and we ended the match with 9 men after Charlie Adam and Martin Skrtel were sent off. Spurs played a really quick passing game that was easy on the eye and when we decided to stick Martin Skrtel at rightback against Gareth Bale, you got the sense that a sending off was on the cards. Charlie Adam's lack of pace was also exploited as he committed numerous offences, eventually earning himself 2 yellow cards. We haven't won at White Hart Lane since 2008 so suffice to say, the odds are stacked against us.

Defence
I expect to see Agger and Skrtel in defence flanked by Johnson and Enrique returning to his more familiar leftback role. This would be to accomodate Suso who was rested against Swansea. No easy feat having to play 4 games in 10 days which explains why Rodgers didn't field what some may term as his strongest 11 against Swansea.

The key concern here is the in-form Gareth Bale. I would have opted for the returning Andre Wisdom but after seeing him exposed against quality opposition in Chelsea , I'm inclined to play Glenny there. With Aaron Lennon on the other flank, Spurs have two players who can play traditional wide roles and I reckon that Enrique will have a better time against Lennon than Johnson will, being naturally left footed and therefore, more comfortable with players taking the ball out wide instead of drifting infield.

Midfield
I'd like to see Gerrard, Allen and Shelvey in the starting lineup and with the likes of Dembele and Parker out, it's an area of the pitch we can take advantage of. Huddlestone is a big physical presence who is adept at passing the ball about whilst Dempsey is a goal threat from range or close up. He makes timely runs into the box and has scored some valuable goals doing so. Whilst Allen will surely anchor the midfield again, he isn't a physical presence and I reckon it will take someone like Shelvey to pick Dempsey out.

Attack
I reckon we'll see Suarez flanked by Sterling and Suso. If Spurs have a weakness, it surely must be in defence where Gallas is living off his reputation. Spurs are error prone here and it will be up to Suarez to force the likes of Caulker and Galls into a mistake. I reckon Sterling will play in important role, starting on the left up against Kyle Walker who despite pipping Martin Kelly to a spot in the England setup last season, hasn't really put in a tackle this season and done anything note worthy.

In summary, I suspect we'll do well in this game and have a good share of the possession in midfield where Spurs have lost Parker and Dembele. I don't see Huddlestone, Siggurdson or Dempsey as ball winners. Much of their play I reckon will go through the flanks via Lennon and Bale. Enrique and Johnson have the pace to deal with them but I think it's important for Allen or Shelvey to pick out Dempsey and obviously, Defoe.

We should have a good time going forward with Spurs lacking any real defensive cover in midfield. We should use Sterling to exploit Kyle Walker any chance he gets. Shelvey and Gerrard should also look at driving straight through the heart of what I think is a volalite Spurs defence that has concede 22 goals, only 4 less than bottom placed QPR.
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Added on November 27, 2012, 2:04 pm
QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 01:59 PM)
So boxing day gathering guys?
The Curve?
Led, KoolSpyda, Duke, Moody and who else?

Moody, just drink Coke with Panadol la. Same effect. LOL
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Game's at 3.45am I think... any good place to watch a game that late?

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 01:59 PM)
So boxing day gathering guys?
The Curve?
Led, KoolSpyda, Duke, Moody and who else?

Moody, just drink Coke with Panadol la. Same effect. LOL
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first select a match that is being shown at a decent time, and not some ungodly hour that no one will come out for gatherings...like our boxing day match which is scheduled for a 345am local kickoff...

the dec30th QPR game tho is a possibility as that is a midnight one.


Added on November 27, 2012, 2:18 pmi still find it funny how our american puppet is being played around with.

barely 4 weeks ago -

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BRENDAN RODGERS insists he will have money with which to strengthen his Liverpool FC squad in the January transfer window, and admits adding some new faces is “a priority”.

“We will have funds,” he said. “I am in talks with the owners at the moment, along with our recruitment team.

“We know we need to reinforce the group. That is something that is ongoing.

“The priority is to get players in the building. Our squad is very small, and we are very thin on the ground. The players have performed admirably until now, they have been terrific in their mentality considering the games they have been playing.

“So at this moment in time it is really about reinforcing the group rather than looking too much at people going the other way.”
and now its 'not to expect a great deal of activity in january'...
i really hope to see less talk and more action from our puppet manager...

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Everdying is right. Dec 30th is better. Boxing day is so freaking late. We all will be drunk by 3.45am and may celebrate if opposition scores instead biggrin.gif

I think the bar along The Curve seems quite decent. For non-alcoholic, there are mocktails. smile.gif

(Duke's lineup)
---------------Suarez----------------
Sterling------------------------Suso
----------Shelvey----Gerrard-------
----------------Allen-----------------
Enrique--Agger--Skrtel---Johnson
---------------Reina-----------------

Like you, I do expect Spurs to come at us hard and fast and because of that, I have a niggling feeling that Jonjo will be coaxed into making rash challenges.
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If Dembele is back we may have a problem as their Midfield is quite pacy and powerful. Your line up looks decent as well with the only fragile part is Enrique vs Lennon. I fear our Spanish friend will try to beat Lennon with pace and get out run. He's been our MOM so far in matches he play higher up but this may be a reverse if he shows his defensive flaws. Likewise, I fear Botak will throw in some rash challenges in the heat of the moment but I do expect him to buck up with his decision on challenges and also the ref to be a bit more lenient after destroying almost 4 to 5 of our games this season. We need quick feet in the middle as there is little time in place when dealing with Bale and Lennon.
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but as we all know, our manager is slightly delusional...
so i wouldnt be surprised if he decides to give joe cole a lift to his home tmr.
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If anyone else got any other suggestions, then let's discuss. Tentatively, let's put the details as this:

Venue: The Curve (meet and choose a bar)
Time: 11.00pm (QPR vs Liverpool 12 am)
Person to contact: Led, can you leave a number for everyone to contact? Mine is SG number.
Dress code: NO MAN UTD JERSEY (unless someone dont like their jersey anymore and would like me to tear it to pieces. LOL)
PS: We should welcome our rival Bowl if he has the balls to show up. biggrin.gif
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Sadly I'll be out of town that weekend. sad.gif Will join you guys if there's a change of plans.
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if the company of mr. i-shouldve-sacked-sparky-earlier does a viewing party, it will most likely be again at laundry bar at the curve.
so unless you wanna walk around with more plastic fans, i suggest doing somewhere else apart from the curve...
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 02:35 PM)
If anyone else got any other suggestions, then let's discuss. Tentatively, let's put the details as this:

Venue: The Curve (meet and choose a bar)
Time: 11.00pm (QPR vs Liverpool 12 am)
Person to contact: Led, can you leave a number for everyone to contact? Mine is SG number.
Dress code: NO MAN UTD JERSEY (unless someone dont like their jersey anymore and would like me to tear it to pieces. LOL)
PS: We should welcome our rival Bowl if he has the balls to show up. biggrin.gif
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Lol you hate united that much eh. Any basis for the hatred?
Whats the date of the meet up?
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I do get that we as fans have divided opinions sometimes and will have to learn to agree to disagree in order to discuss harmoniously.

AND also I do agree that our manager tends to talk a little too much at times.

But does that justify calling our manager or our American owners puppets?

Our American owners, invested pretty heavily last season.

Brendan Rodgers as far as I am concern, underachieved a little but we played good fluid football so that's one part corrected. Not forgetting, Liverpool finally have a positive brand of playing style in it, so is it fair to make it two?
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Im still on vacation dec 30th.
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so the party where?

@dillonyong,

If i am coming to the gathering, do we have something in common to discuss your blog? brows.gif
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Lol you hate united that much eh. Any basis for the hatred?
Whats the date of the meet up?
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United's good, hence the hatred. tongue.gif

Liverpool fans don't hate Man Utd, NOT in general.

I don't hate them, I just find it annoying when I'm being taunt. So naturally, most of us hate them.

I respect Man Utd, for their success, for their history, I even tell some of my BPL clubs supporting friends about how much more successful they potentially could be if it wasn't for the tragedy.

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Everdying: Laundry bar seems to be cool. I like that place. You have any other suggestions other than The Curve. I have lost touch with places ever since coming to SG.

Led: No chance of changing your plan? 26th dec is at 3.45am mate. Duke would have 4 towers of beers that time and will be rooting for Stoke City as he sees the red color and thought it was Liverpool. LOL

PPZ: 30th Dec 11pm, Maybe the Curve. Coming?

Bowl: I dont hate you. I hate it when you annoys others and then report us when we tease you back. This is very unsporting behavior. Koolspyda believes i am wasting my time with you. Well. he's right. If you come, we'll drink.. period.


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Bent = Keane.
Sturridge = Selfish.

I vote for Walcott. EPL proven albeit his on-off form.


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i voted for cavani cuz i see him as a drogba type player........BULLDOZE THE WAY TO GOAL

if come 31st january none of the name above come to our club, then TS tanggung d.........
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QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Nov 27 2012, 04:30 PM)
i voted for cavani cuz i see him as a drogba type player........BULLDOZE THE WAY TO GOAL

if come 31st january none of the name above come to our club, then TS tanggung d.........
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Unfortunately for us, I don't think we have the cash plus Rafa has expressed his interest so unless Suarez can persuade him otherwise, we're going to miss out on him. http://www.fansfc.com/Chelsea/story/42836/6.html
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 02:57 PM)
Everdying: Laundry bar seems to be cool. I like that place. You have any other suggestions other than The Curve. I have lost touch with places ever since coming to SG.

Led: No chance of changing your plan? 26th dec is at 3.45am mate. Duke would have 4 towers of beers that time and will be rooting for Stoke City as he sees the red color and thought it was Liverpool. LOL
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Family trip, so most likely there won't be a change of plans. Oh well, next time I guess.

QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Nov 27 2012, 04:30 PM)
i voted for cavani cuz i see him as a drogba type player........BULLDOZE THE WAY TO GOAL

if come 31st january none of the name above come to our club, then TS tanggung d.........
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Same... I was looking Falcao's name but couldn't find it. (Am I dillonsional too? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ) I'm wondering, why isn't there an option for our beloved Fernando Torres? laugh.gif

Realistically though, Sturridge and Walcott are likely to come. Wouldn't mind Hunterlaar either.
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I came across this article which brings me back to what I posted yesterday about us not having a proper defensive midfielder, and about playing Joe Allen higher up the pitch as he did for Swansea. Look at these statistics.

http://paisleygates.com/?p=10863
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 27 2012, 04:43 PM)
Family trip, so most likely there won't be a change of plans. Oh well, next time I guess.
Same... I was looking Falcao's name but couldn't find it. (Am I dillonsional too? laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif ) I'm wondering, why isn't there an option for our beloved Fernando Torres? laugh.gif

Realistically though, Sturridge and Walcott are likely to come. Wouldn't mind Hunterlaar either.
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Alamak. I actually dont mind going for boxing day match but who else can make it?
Can other guys come?
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The problem is not many places will be open at that time even if we are to meet up.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 04:48 PM)
The problem is not many places will be open at that time even if we are to meet up.
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Yeah. Unless you guys come to my house and drink and watch.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 03:56 PM)
Thanks. Was just going, "all that effort down the drain".
Now what did I say about using words you don't understand? How are we delusional? Justify.

You can dish it, but you can't take it. Hallmarks of a whiny little b**** who goes crying home to suckle on mommas tit when someone calls them names.

The only reason you get away with it is because your posts are incoherent and often incomprehensible.
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I can dish it but i cant take it? You are delusional because you are backing your mate blindly just because he is a liverpool fan. You dont act like an elite at all imho. Look at the way you posts.
He was posting images with my name on it. I mean i wasnt offended by it but i realized it was removed by the mods or somebody. I didnt reported it the first time.
Your elite tag should be stripped because you just one hot headed scouser. Well you have low eq so cant blame you hehe. Questioning mods when you yourself is going against the rules lol.
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Lol...i thought we all have decided to hit the ignore button on bowl aka mangkuk.

Mentioned duke in annoying manner and make duke responed aggresively and then he respond aggresively also. Good strategy to make duke name become bad together with his bad name.


About the gathering, I would like to join but i dont drink

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QUOTE(tgmape @ Nov 27 2012, 05:08 PM)
Lol...i thought we all have decided to hit the ignore button on bowl aka mangkuk.

I would like to join but i dont drink
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Oh well, he hasn't done anything to upset me enough....YET
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Imma astonished you lots still entertained that b**** after all the moaning/b****ing to his momerator. biggrin.gif

Last time myRAWK guys did a viewing in Yippee club in SS2, believe it or not laugh.gif

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Imma astonished you lots still entertained that b**** after all the moaning/b****ing to his momerator. biggrin.gif

Last time myRAWK guys did a viewing in Yippee club in SS2, believe it or not laugh.gif
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Ignore....is no fun sometimes.

I haven't been to any viewing party as of late, myRAWK should organize another one soon!!!!
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 04:33 PM)
Unfortunately for us, I don't think we have the cash plus Rafa has expressed his interest so unless Suarez can persuade him otherwise, we're going to miss out on him. http://www.fansfc.com/Chelsea/story/42836/6.html
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they are pricing him at 25 mil, seems to be within our range.........plus we have cash left i suppose from the last window

looking at his goal ratio for napoli........81 goals in 111 apps, that translates to 0.73 per game!!!! drool.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 04:44 PM)
I came across this article which brings me back to what I posted yesterday about us not having a proper defensive midfielder, and about playing Joe Allen higher up the pitch as he did for Swansea. Look at these statistics.

http://paisleygates.com/?p=10863
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While I agree that having a fit Lucas will be key to bringing the best out of Allen, I do wonder if we are being over-reliant on our Brazilian midfielder. There's a good chance that he will take time to regain his form and I would rather we ease him back into the team than to risk another injury. Rather than just hope for the best, it's perhaps best for the team that we look at the options we have first.

Since the start of the season BR has pick n mix midfielders, trying various combinations but none stuck. Allen & Gerrard are the only mainstays but we can't strike a balance with the 3rd player. With Sahin playing we are often caught short of numbers at the back and Allen has to work double time to make up for lost ground. The problem though isn't Sahin.

Imo it's our Stevie G. The fact that he's our captain and BR doesn't look like he'll dropping him any soon. With our lack of firepower this season, I thought that Gerrard would be best utilized when he's played further upfront. Trouble is, in the beginning of this season, both him and Suarez were throwing away possession faster than our Harimaus last week. We've progressed since then with Sterling & Suarez starting to develop an understanding, thus I reckon we should give it another try - putting Gerrard behind Suarez. If there's a player other than Suarez who's likely to get us goals, it's Gerrard. I trust he still has the vision and skills to score >10 a season, the closer he is to the opponent's goal, the better.

Moreover, this will give us more options in the middle:
1) Many have pointed out that Sahin is a deep lying playmaker. While I have doubts on his workrate and pressing, why not give it a try and move Allen to his natural role?
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2) We could play Shelvey or Henderson next to Allen. We all know BR is trying to mold Shelvey into a number 10, but it isn't working very well so far. One match, he would turn in a solid display; the next he could be completely lost. Give each of them a try in a role next to Allen and see. Both of them have shown massive potential but there's no better time than now to step up the game and make the starting spot theirs.


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Alamak. I actually dont mind going for boxing day match but who else can make it?
Can other guys come?
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Nah, you guys go ahead with the QPR match. Don't forget that the day after Boxing Day is still a working day. smile.gif

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QUOTE(tgmape @ Nov 27 2012, 05:08 PM)
Lol...i thought we all have decided to hit the ignore button on bowl aka mangkuk.

Mentioned duke in annoying manner and make duke responed aggresively and then he respond aggresively also. Good strategy to make duke name become bad together with his bad name.
About the gathering, I would like to join but i dont drink
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No need to drink la. Just drink coke. biggrin.gif
I drink because I wanna give good juju to Liverpool. hehe

We all can talk all night long about Liverpool and catch up. It's nice. smile.gif

What is the decision by the way?

if 30th December, then I suggest we go Laundry bar lah (The Curve). Easy for everyone to find.

Solstice coming? The main guy.
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Ignore....is no fun sometimes.

I haven't been to any viewing party as of late, myRAWK should organize another one soon!!!!
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u back in kay el liao? last time u went to NZ right? I only rmb a couple of guys from the few times im joined in the viewing.
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Yeah. Unless you guys come to my house and drink and watch.
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Venue: The Curve (Laundry Bar)
Time: 11.00pm (QPR vs Liverpool 12 am)
Person to contact: Duke (Duke, can they pm you for your number?)
Dress code: NO MAN UTD JERSEY or you will end up half naked. tongue.gif
Who's going? (I think): Duke, Koolspyda, Moody, tgmape, PPZ, Me (Feel free to add your name)

Consequences of not turning up after promising to go: Eating with Ricebowl for a month tongue.gif


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QUOTE(PPZ @ Nov 27 2012, 05:22 PM)
where is your house first? got liang moi? brows.gif
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Change of plan la. Laundry bar. We go buaya there before the match lah. Buaya some hot hardcore Liverpool supporting chickas LOL. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 05:26 PM)
Venue: The Curve (Laundry Bar)
Time: 11.00pm (QPR vs Liverpool 12 am)
Person to contact: Duke (Duke, can they pm you for your number?)
Dress code: NO MAN UTD JERSEY or you will end up half naked. tongue.gif
Who's going? (I think): Duke, Koolspyda, Moody, tgmape, PPZ, Me (Feel free to add your name)

Consequences of not turning up after promising to go: Eating with Ricebowl for a month tongue.gif


Added on November 27, 2012, 5:27 pm

Change of plan la. Laundry bar. We go buaya there before the match lah. Buaya some hot hardcore Liverpool supporting chickas LOL. biggrin.gif
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hell.. maybe you want find your future wifey there. Liverpool holy marriage? lol
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QUOTE(tgmape @ Nov 27 2012, 05:08 PM)
Lol...i thought we all have decided to hit the ignore button on bowl aka mangkuk.

Mentioned duke in annoying manner and make duke responed aggresively and then he respond aggresively also. Good strategy to make duke name become bad together with his bad name.
About the gathering, I would like to join but i dont drink
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That wasnt a plan or a strategy ok laugh.gif
Was just in here cause i saw my name being mentioned. Not the first time but just decided to make a come back this time around. Didnt do much really and the usual bunch start la with the hostility laugh.gif

People like lilridinghood wouldnt even be least effected by what i have said. Im just a pinch of salt la.
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hell.. maybe you want find your future wifey there. Liverpool holy marriage? lol
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YNWA as wedding song? Not a bad idea eh.
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Before that, it begins with a big bang. LOL

YNWA as wedding song? Not a bad idea eh.
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u back in kay el liao? last time u went to NZ right? I only rmb a couple of guys from the few times im joined in the viewing.
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back for a while d lor, a few things came up that's why haven't been joining u all. Hehehe
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i suggest no one suggest anything first until about 2 weeks before the game.
dont be like BR, after see all talk here then no action tongue.gif
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i suggest no one suggest anything first until about 2 weeks before the game.
dont be like BR, after see all talk here then no action tongue.gif
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This is so true. Malaysians are known for 2 things:

1) Pirated DVDs
2) FFK (Stood up on people) biggrin.gif

Anyway, I may want to go to Bali. This Bali chick keep telling me that XMas and new year's parties over there are fantastic. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 07:35 PM)
This is so true. Malaysians are known for 2 things:

1) Pirated DVDs
2) FFK (Stood up on people) biggrin.gif

Anyway, I may want to go to Bali. This Bali chick keep telling me that XMas and new year's parties over there are fantastic. biggrin.gif
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so bali > LFC?
dont you want to be around to celebrate our 4th win in the league when we play QPR? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 27 2012, 07:45 PM)
so bali > LFC?
dont you want to be around to celebrate our 4th win in the league when we play QPR? biggrin.gif
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Last week when I was in Bali, drunk and tired, Liverpool beat Wigan 3 - 0 tongue.gif
So if I go to Bali and party and get drunk and tired again, maybe it will be QPR 0 Liverpool 5? tongue.gif
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after see QPR get their first win at LFC's expense... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 27 2012, 07:54 PM)
after see QPR get their first win at LFC's expense...  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 27 2012, 07:54 PM)
after see QPR get their first win at LFC's expense...  whistling.gif
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Harry always have a way to beat liverpool. sad.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 04:51 PM)
Yeah. Unless you guys come to my house and drink and watch.
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Whereabouts do you live?

QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 27 2012, 04:53 PM)
I can dish it but i cant take it? You are delusional because you are backing your mate blindly just because he is a liverpool fan. You dont act like an elite at all imho. Look at the way you posts.
He was posting images with my name on it. I mean i wasnt offended by it but i realized it was removed by the mods or somebody. I didnt reported it the first time.
Your elite tag should be stripped because you just one hot headed scouser. Well you have low eq so cant blame you hehe. Questioning mods when you yourself is going against the rules lol.
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I'm not backing my mate. I'm speaking for myself and even if I was it wouldn't be termed, "delusional". It would be blind faith. Delusions are what you suffer from if you feel your posts are construed as banter and not meant to incite. A simple google search will help you define the word.

The elite tag has to do with number of posts in forums that encourage discussion unlike say, kopitiam. It has to do with me saying something like, "you're an idiot". I could care less about the tag and it seems like you're more fixated on it than I am. I've explained this before but you seem to have a problem with comprehension. That or you suffer from selective amnesia.

The only reason I respond to you in this manner is because when I've tried to reason with you, you've displayed the intelligence of an amoeba. If you act like a kid, people will treat you like a kid. When a kid does something wrong, you can't reason with him because he is somewhat devoid of logical thought.

I am not a Scouser because I was not born and bred in Merseyside. Again, using a term you don't understand.

Once again, learn what EQ means before using it. I assume you know what a dictionary is?

I didn't see the image he posted but after trying to reason with you from the start and even standing up for you because I welcome reasonable posters, I am fully supportive of every form of degradation aimed at you because I feel you've worked really hard to earn it and should therefore be duly rewarded.

I went against the rules by doing what? If I've hurt your feelings, please feel free to report me and have me banned. You know, the whole running back to mommy analogy I gave earlier.


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While I agree that having a fit Lucas will be key to bringing the best out of Allen, I do wonder if we are being over-reliant on our Brazilian midfielder. There's a good chance that he will take time to regain his form and I would rather we ease him back into the team than to risk another injury. Rather than just hope for the best, it's perhaps best for the team that we look at the options we have first.
I agree but it isn't the first time. I mean we rely a lot on Suarez today. In recent years we were relying on Torres and Gerrard. Not a good thing of course. Thing is defensive midfielders are key in today's game and aside from Lucas, we have none which is a matter of concern. Houllier had Hamann and Rafa inherited Hamann and then signed Mascherano. Look how important Hamann was in Istanbul. When he came on at half time, Kaka became a spectator. We've clearly missed a fully fit Lucas and as many central midfielders as we have, I think we need to sign cover for him. Neither Sahin nor Allen appear to be permanent solutions. Perhaps a versatile player like Barnetta who can play in that position?

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 09:34 PM)
Whereabouts do you live?
I'm not backing my mate. I'm speaking for myself and even if I was it wouldn't be termed, "delusional". It would be blind faith. Delusions are what you suffer from if you feel your posts are construed as banter and not meant to incite. A simple google search will help you define the word.

The elite tag has to do with number of posts in forums that encourage discussion unlike say, kopitiam. It has to do with me saying something like, "you're an idiot". I could care less about the tag and it seems like you're more fixated on it than I am. I've explained this before but you seem to have a problem with comprehension. That or you suffer from selective amnesia.

The only reason I respond to you in this manner is because when I've tried to reason with you, you've displayed the intelligence of an amoeba. If you act like a kid, people will treat you like a kid. When a kid does something wrong, you can't reason with him because he is somewhat devoid of logical thought.

I am not a Scouser because I was not born and bred in Merseyside. Again, using a term you don't understand.

Once again, learn what EQ means before using it. I assume you know what a dictionary is?

I didn't see the image he posted but after trying to reason with you from the start and even standing up for you because I welcome reasonable posters, I am fully supportive of every form of degradation aimed at you because I feel you've worked really hard to earn it and should therefore be duly rewarded.

I went against the rules by doing what? If I've hurt your feelings, please feel free to report me and have me banned. You know, the whole running back to mommy analogy I gave earlier.
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Yeah yeah whatever it is man. I cant even bring myself to finish reading what you wrote. For obvious reasons.
I called you a scouser because in the first place most liverpool fans terms themself as a scouser, No? Its just a simple fact. You just want to use it against me thats all. Or maybe you just hasnt been outside your house that often to find that out. Can see that you get upset for the littlest things. Ah well, maybe you have your mum by your side all the time. Unlike most of use who need to go running back, you just need to turn sideways laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 27 2012, 09:54 PM)
Yeah yeah whatever it is man. I cant even bring myself to finish reading what you wrote. For obvious reasons.
I called you a scouser because in the first place most liverpool fans terms themself as a scouser,  No? Its just a simple fact. You just want to use it against me thats all. Or maybe you just hasnt been outside your house that often to find that out. Can see that you get upset for the littlest things. Ah well, maybe you have your mum by your side all the time. Unlike most of use who need to go running back, you just need to turn sideways laugh.gif
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Wow a comeback that makes so little sense. I told you much earlier to come back when you got smarter so be a good little boy and do as you're told. Laughing at your own jokes is a sign of desperation especially when it isn't funny.

Lets take a poll. Who thinks junior here is a standup comic?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 10:01 PM)
Wow a comeback that makes so little sense. I told you much earlier to come back when you got smarter so be a good little boy and do as you're told. Laughing at your own jokes is a sign of desperation especially when it isn't funny.

Lets take a poll. Who thinks junior here is a standup comic?
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there's no need to reason with him la, he comes in using insulting word to pool fans........

then when things get heaty, give some shitty reply say we dont know how to accept la, take a friendly banter la..........

yeah, you surely see us giving names to mu fans in their thread nod.gif
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Wow standing up like a man in your own turf. How brave rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 10:01 PM)
Wow a comeback that makes so little sense. I told you much earlier to come back when you got smarter so be a good little boy and do as you're told. Laughing at your own jokes is a sign of desperation especially when it isn't funny.

Lets take a poll. Who thinks junior here is a standup comic?
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*raise hand* biggrin.gif


Added on November 27, 2012, 10:08 pmby the way our match is not this morning right?

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 10:01 PM)
Wow a comeback that makes so little sense. I told you much earlier to come back when you got smarter so be a good little boy and do as you're told. Laughing at your own jokes is a sign of desperation especially when it isn't funny.

Lets take a poll. Who thinks junior here is a standup comic?
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LMFAO. biggrin.gif

ANyway, i am staying in Puchong. I am tempted to go to Bali though. Really really tempted to return there. biggrin.gif
My party chickas asking me to go.
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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 27 2012, 10:07 PM)
Wow standing up like a man in your own turf. How brave rclxms.gif
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Well I invited you out to a face-to-face discussion at a neutral turf but you declined. Changed your mind?


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QUOTE(Adell G @ Nov 27 2012, 10:07 PM)
*raise hand*  biggrin.gif


Added on November 27, 2012, 10:08 pmby the way our match is not this morning right?
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Nope, it's tomorrow night/ Thursday morning. 3.45am kickoff.

QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 10:12 PM)
LMFAO. biggrin.gif

ANyway, i am staying in Puchong. I am tempted to go to Bali though. Really really tempted to return there. biggrin.gif
My party chickas asking me to go.
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Then go la. Hoes before bros!

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QUOTE(Adell G @ Nov 27 2012, 10:07 PM)
*raise hand*  biggrin.gif


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This morning
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 10:12 PM)
LMFAO. biggrin.gif

ANyway, i am staying in Puchong. I am tempted to go to Bali though. Really really tempted to return there. biggrin.gif
My party chickas asking me to go.
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let's reword this...
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If You Are Absent During My Struggle, Don’t Expect To Be Present During My Success


to...
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If You Are Absent During LFC's Struggle, Then please don't be around during their Success


so go to bali all u want...

*now sits and waits for feelings of guilt to sink in* biggrin.gif
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Sry...tomorrow morning
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 27 2012, 10:23 PM)
let's reword this...
to...
so go to bali all u want...

*now sits and waits for feelings of guilt to sink in* biggrin.gif
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You had me for a while.. but I am still going to Bali. HAHAHA biggrin.gif

Postpone postpone. Since Led also cant make it. February CNY i will be back. How about then?

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 10:33 PM)
You had me for a while.. but I am still going to Bali. HAHAHA biggrin.gif

Postpone postpone. Since Led also cant make it. February CNY i will be back. How about then?
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ur timing damn cun.
there seems to be a 2 week break before and after CNY...i guess its international matches time.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 27 2012, 10:25 PM)
wow you ppl are a work of art.

LFC's site got schedule.
soccernet got schedule.
astro website also got schedule.

not that hard to check and see the match time is at 345am on 29th...ie. thursday morning.


Added on November 27, 2012, 10:26 pmand astro is showing the match on channel 812.
too bad no HD...only both mancunt games on HD.
rafa's game also on channel 813 same time.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 27 2012, 10:19 PM)
Well I invited you out to a face-to-face discussion at a neutral turf but you declined. Changed your mind?


Added on November 27, 2012, 10:22 pm

Nope, it's tomorrow night/ Thursday morning. 3.45am kickoff.
Then go la. Hoes before bros!
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Spare me la. I would have meet you guys up for the boxing days whatsoever at the curve but to meet you up just for a "face to face discussion" hahaha.
You go sort your senses la brader. If you claim yourself to be so sensible and me to be senseless you shouldnt even be making such requests.
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ur timing damn cun.
there seems to be a 2 week break before and after CNY...i guess its international matches time.
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Alamak. Then I will come back during one of the weekends to make it up to you guys. Let's do it in January la. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 27 2012, 10:43 PM)
Spare me la. I would have meet you guys up for the boxing days whatsoever at the curve but to meet you up just for a "face to face discussion" hahaha.
You go sort your senses la brader. If you claim yourself to be so sensible and me to be senseless you shouldnt even be making such requests.
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Thought so. I'll just stay a "big man in my own turf" then.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 27 2012, 10:25 PM)
wow you ppl are a work of art.

LFC's site got schedule.
soccernet got schedule.
astro website also got schedule.

not that hard to check and see the match time is at 345am on 29th...ie. thursday morning.


Added on November 27, 2012, 10:26 pmand astro is showing the match on channel 812.
too bad no HD...only both mancunt games on HD.
rafa's game also on channel 813 same time.
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I wanted to check but somehow my astro remote is missing sad.gif
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QUOTE(Adell G @ Nov 27 2012, 10:51 PM)
I wanted to check but somehow my astro remote is missing  sad.gif
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excuses macam rhice only tongue.gif
can check online la.
http://www.astro.com.my/epg/guide.php
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I wanted to check but somehow my astro remote is missing  sad.gif
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HAHAHAHA. This is classic. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 27 2012, 11:07 PM)
excuses macam rhice only tongue.gif
can check online la.
http://www.astro.com.my/epg/guide.php
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aiyo, easiest way is just google search "liverpool" or any team name........1st search result is the date and time
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Thought so. I'll just stay a "big man in my own turf" then.
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Hehe ya u very big, ego la. Too much free time to meet a stranger out of something in a forum. Talking bout me being desperate. Night night
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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 28 2012, 01:30 AM)
Hehe ya u very big, ego la. Too much free time to meet a stranger out of something in a forum. Talking bout me being desperate. Night night
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 07:47 AM)
This A$$h0l3 just doesnt know when to quit. Sickening.
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The worst thing is I can't make out what he meant. Also, he seems to hear voices in his head because I don't recall calling him "desperate". #looneytoon


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QUOTE(4ddict @ Nov 28 2012, 01:18 AM)
Cancer before he hit the first decade mark. Shocking. YNWA.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 28 2012, 08:07 AM)
The worst thing is I can't make out what he meant. Also, he seems to hear voices in his head because I don't recall calling him "desperate". #looneytoon

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I'm gonna use the same tactic of posting news stories again since the Mods wont remove his annoying posts. He can post 1 stupid thing, I will post 3 stories. Let's ignore this stone-age reptile.
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how come someone dont recognize our Duke was serious when talk about football? SoS, management, fans, players, manager....
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I agree but it isn't the first time. I mean we rely a lot on Suarez today. In recent years we were relying on Torres and Gerrard. Not a good thing of course. Thing is defensive midfielders are key in today's game and aside from Lucas, we have none which is a matter of concern. Houllier had Hamann and Rafa inherited Hamann and then signed Mascherano. Look how important Hamann was in Istanbul. When he came on at half time, Kaka became a spectator. We've clearly missed a fully fit Lucas and as many central midfielders as we have, I think we need to sign cover for him. Neither Sahin nor Allen appear to be permanent solutions. Perhaps a versatile player like Barnetta who can play in that position?
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Agreed on importance of a DM, however we don't need that player in every match. I don't see the importance in having a Masch or Lucas against the likes of West Ham or Stoke. If Sahin is the deep lying playmaker that we all claim to be, we ought to give him the chance to prove it.

Just a stop-gap solution anyway, in the long term we should get a young player to be Lucas's understudy.

QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 27 2012, 10:44 PM)
Alamak. Then I will come back during one of the weekends to make it up to you guys. Let's do it in January la. biggrin.gif
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We're playing at Old Trafford on 13th January, Sunday. Perfect match to invite our United friend here. biggrin.gif
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Bad idea, Led. Once he starts, it will take a while for him to stop.

The worst thing we can do to him is, we forget him. Once he gets no more attention, he will fade away
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60 votes casted and none voting for Giuseppe Rossi ...I would have to say it's surprising given the fact that I thought Rossi is much better than Remy and Remy actually got 2 votes!

Bcos Rossi is former mancs?
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Ok. Sorry boys. I am going to Bali from 24th Dec to 1st Jan. Will catch up with you guys on 13th January if possible. Afterall, it's MU vs Liv. smile.gif
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Ok. Sorry boys. I am going to Bali from 24th Dec to 1st Jan. Will catch up with you guys on 13th January if possible. Afterall, it's MU vs Liv. smile.gif
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We cannot discuss your blog then!!!
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As of January transfer, Cavani would be ideal. But Rodgers statement on a quiet January transfer window, a loan move for Sturridge would seem the most likely..


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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 28 2012, 11:44 AM)
60 votes casted and none voting for Giuseppe Rossi ...I would have to say it's surprising given the fact that I thought Rossi is much better than Remy and Remy actually got 2 votes!

Bcos Rossi is former mancs?
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At this point, don't really care who we get as long as its a recognized finisher. I'd even snatched Steven Fletcher from Sunder land given the chance.

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I am coming back from 12th to 14th January. We can all watch MU vs Liv. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Nov 28 2012, 12:34 PM)
As of January transfer, Cavani would be ideal. But Rodgers statement on a quiet January transfer window, a loan move for Sturridge would seem the most likely..


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At this point, don't really care who we get as long as its a recognized finisher. I'd even snatched Steven Fletcher from Sunder land given the chance.

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BR sure say like this..

if not other club sure lion open mouth.. sweat.gif

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If thisis anything to go by, it looks like we're looking at a loan signing which puts Bent right up there in contention.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/foo...ary-and-pl-1862?
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If thisis anything to go by, it looks like we're looking at a loan signing which puts Bent right up there in contention.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/foo...ary-and-pl-1862?
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Five questions to pass the time as we wait for kickoff from White Hart Lane.

1) More Suso finally or what?

2) Jose Enrique as midfield/winger, left-back, or not in at all?

3) Does Steven Gerrard get dropped? If so, who takes his spot?

4) Two up top (Sterling/Suarez), or three across the front?

5) Including both sides--first goalscorer, first booking, and first substitution?

http://liverpool.theoffside.com/2012/11/28...-premier-league?


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Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers believes that if the Reds had benefited from a few more refereeing decisions this season, they would be knocking on the door of a top four spot.

At present Rodgers’ men find themselves sitting eleventh in the Premier League, with 16 points from 13 games.

The Reds are on an eight-match unbeaten league run, but have drawn seven games this season, leaving them off the pace in the race for a top four place. Liverpool are nine points behind fourth-placed Chelsea and have only scored one more goal than they have conceded.

But Rodgers thinks the situation could and perhaps should be very different, with the Northern Irishman feeling decisions have gone against his side which have cost them vital points.

"We know we’re not too far away – we’re very close to arriving in that zone", he told Liverpool’s official site, about aiming for a Champions League spot.

"You only need to look at some of the things that have gone against us this season, in terms of goals that were disallowed", continued the former Swansea manager.

"If you take those points alone, that would have shot us right up there."
Read more at http://www.insidefutbol.com/2012/11/28/liv...A4VALlzWmuF8.99


Added on November 28, 2012, 1:48 pmRodgers backs Gerrard to find his scoring touch but says he is still Liverpool's star man

Brendan Rodgers is adamant Steven Gerrard remains Liverpool's man for the big occasion as he dismissed claims the midfielder has had to adapt his game.
The England international is enjoying his best run of fitness for two seasons and has played every minute of every Barclays Premier League game so far.

His goal return, however, is lower than what would normally be expected after 12 matches and he has not hit the target since Norwich City were beaten 5-2 on September 29.

But Rodgers, whose side face Tottenham at White Hart Lane this evening, insists Gerrard’s input and drive is absolutely vital and has no concerns about the contribution he is making.

'I don’t think there has been a clear change in his game in terms of what I have asked him to do,’ said Rodgers. ‘What Steven has been over the years is the player who makes the difference. He may not have had the goals this season that he has wanted but he still been effective.
'There has been nothing more or less I have asked in terms of defensive responsibilities. Of course we want the midfield players to score goals, to get in the box and gamble. When Steven has done that he is fantastic – look at the goal against Manchester united.
'He has done terrific for us. He has obviously had to take on more of a mantel because this is a much younger group. I think that is the biggest thing this year: there is probably a bit more responsibility on him in relation to looking out more for the team.

But he has been brilliant I have got to say. He has been fit, playing games and recovering really well. I am so happy to have someone like that in the group because he is a phenomenal player and a great presence for us. It’s great to have a player of that ability in the group.’
Rodgers will come face-to-face with Gylfi Sigurdsson for the first time tonight since the Icelandic international rejected a move to Liverpool in favour of Tottenham.
Sigurdsson, though, has only made five Premier League starts and would have played significantly more had he gone to Anfield.
'All we can do is present to players the opportunity to come to a great club like this and give them the idea of what we are hoping to achieve,’ said Rodgers.

'Having worked with him before and knowing his strengths, his ability to play in that no10 role, this would have been a good opportunity for him where he evolve.’
Martin Skrtel, meanwhile, is hoping for better fortune. White Hart Lane has been a bogey ground for the Slovakian defender in recent years and last September he received the run-around from Gareth Bale after Kenny Dalglish used the central defender as a right-back.
Skrtel endured a shaky start to the current campaign but has been in much better form recently and he is determined to help Liverpool stretch their unbeaten run in the Barclays Premier League to a ninth game.
'I certainly don’t want to repeat what happened season because it was horrible,’ said Skrtel, reflecting on a 4-0 defeat. ‘I didn’t play in my own position and I ended up getting sent off. The year before I broke my jaw after banging heads with Carra but that is football.
'I have to forget about these things and look forward. The expectations when you are at Liverpool are always high and that’s still the same. All we are doing is going from game to game and trying to get as many points as we can and hopefully at the end of the season we can be in the top four.’


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Added on November 28, 2012, 1:55 pmIgnore the troll

Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney expects his side’s defence to be given a tough time this evening by Andy Carroll.

The England striker’s club, West Ham, take on Rooney’s Red Devils at Old Trafford and the Manchester United man is well aware of Carroll’s qualities from their time together with the Three Lions.

Indeed, Rooney witnessed Carroll’s ability at close quarters over the summer when the then-Liverpool forward powered a header in for England against Sweden at Euro 2012.

Carroll has been described as "unplayable" on his day and Rooney knows the Manchester United defenders will find it tough facing him.

"Andy Carroll is a handful", Rooney told his club’s official site, going on to point out his qualities are both aerial and on the deck.

"I am sure if you ask any defender, they find it difficult to play against someone like that who is good in the air and on the floor.

"He is physical and he makes it difficult.
Read more at http://www.insidefutbol.com/2012/11/28/man...4gPd1Wry450y.99

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 01:45 PM)
Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney expects his side’s defence to be given a tough time this evening by Andy Carroll.

The England striker’s club, West Ham, take on Rooney’s Red Devils at Old Trafford and the Manchester United man is well aware of Carroll’s qualities from their time together with the Three Lions.

Indeed, Rooney witnessed Carroll’s ability at close quarters over the summer when the then-Liverpool forward powered a header in for England against Sweden at Euro 2012.

Carroll has been described as "unplayable" on his day and Rooney knows the Manchester United defenders will find it tough facing him.

"Andy Carroll is a handful", Rooney told his club’s official site, going on to point out his qualities are both aerial and on the deck.

"I am sure if you ask any defender, they find it difficult to play against someone like that who is good in the air and on the floor.

"He is physical and he makes it difficult.
Read more at http://www.insidefutbol.com/2012/11/28/man...4gPd1Wry450y.99
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dats why im maddd he went on loan! vmad.gif
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dats why im maddd he went on loan!  vmad.gif
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I'm not a big fan of Caroll but he could have offered us a different option when we need to fit in different tactic. So I have to agree with you.

But I am particularly unhappy with his work rate. Players like Suarez, Sterling, Enrique, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Carra, just to name a few will break through the Great Wall of China for Liverpool but this tall fella is lazy most of the time.

I hardly see him trying to make himself available for passes and find spaces with quick turn or something. He's always standing there like a wax statue.
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You said i laughed at my own jokes and thats sign of desperation. You sound more desperate...and upset. Looneytunes....geezz
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Desperate because you can't win an argument and deflect everything aimed at you. Are you lonely?

Your profile says you're a chick. I think you may have this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

No thanks needed.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 02:33 PM)
I'm not a big fan of Caroll but he could have offered us a different option when we need to fit in different tactic. So I have to agree with you.

But I am particularly unhappy with his work rate. Players like Suarez, Sterling, Enrique, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Carra, just to name a few will break through the Great Wall of China for Liverpool but this tall fella is lazy most of the time.

I hardly see him trying to make himself available for passes and find spaces with quick turn or something. He's always standing there like a wax statue.
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Yup true...but when he gets the ball, theres very little defenders can do. and hes good with header. We have alot of corner kicks but most of them went off for nothing. last time defenders had to choose between skrtel n him to mark during corners n freekicks.
was thinking of him, borini and suarez would make a nice front.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 28 2012, 02:38 PM)
Yup true...but when he gets the ball, theres very little defenders can do. and hes good with header. We have alot of corner kicks but most of them went off for nothing. last time defenders had to choose between skrtel n him to mark during corners n freekicks.
was thinking of him, borini and suarez would make a nice front.
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Yup. He could have been useful against Stoke, Everton and Swansea, so it's really unfortunate. We spend an awful lot of money on this kid, so the decent thing to do is to keep kicking his bottom and tell him to work hard. He will offer a different option. If they are going for a world class forward hence have to give up on AC then I have nothing to say.

With little options available and yet letting him out on loan is a poor decision. If we look at January, and we still dont have money to sign any decent forward, why not take him back?

It's terrible decision by the owner and BR on this part.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 02:57 PM)
Yup. He could have been useful against Stoke, Everton and Swansea, so it's really unfortunate. We spend an awful lot of money on this kid, so the decent thing to do is to keep kicking his bottom and tell him to work hard. He will offer a different option. If they are going for a world class forward hence have to give up on AC then I have nothing to say.

With little options available and yet letting him out on loan is a poor decision. If we look at January, and we still dont have money to sign any decent forward, why not take him back?

It's terrible decision by the owner and BR on this part.
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exactly, last week we couldve just call in AC so the front can play differently already!
So many of his header fell nicely for suarez n co and made it thru the final 3rd at the closing of last season. But our conversion rate was so poor deswai
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Brendan Rodgers has defended the way he uses Steven Gerrard, rejecting suggestions that the Liverpool captain is struggling to adapt to his manager’s playing style and insisting that his form will improve.
Gerrard was uncharacteristically jaded in Liverpool’s goalless draw away to Swansea City on Sunday and has scored only one goal in the Barclays Premier League this season. Whereas in previous campaigns the 32-year-old has been deployed in an attacking midfield role for his club, he has appeared to operate in a more deep-lying position since the arrival of Rodgers.
The Liverpool manager is hoping that the imminent return of Lucas Leiva after injury will give Gerrard the platform to get back to his best, but Rodgers maintained that the England captain’s talents are not being wasted by his present role in the team.
“I don’t think there has been a clear change in his game in terms of what I have asked him to do,” Rodgers said. “I think what Steven has been over the years has always been the player who makes the difference and, OK, he may not have had the goals this season that he has wanted but he has still been effective. There has been nothing more or less I have asked in terms of defensive responsibilities. Of course, we want the midfield players to score goals and go and get into the box and gamble, and we have seen when Steven has done that he is fantastic.”
Liverpool head into tonight’s game away to Tottenham Hotspur with their plans for the January transfer window already at an advanced stage.
Talks to sign Thomas Ince, the Blackpool winger, are at an advanced stage and Rodgers is hopeful that the appointment of Rafael Benítez as Chelsea’s interim first-team manager will not jeopardise a move for Daniel Sturridge, the forward.
André Villas-Boas, meanwhile, has in Jermain Defoe a striker whom he is determined to keep, and who he compares to Radamel Falcao, who played for the Tottenham manager at Porto.
“He’s been [scoring goals] for all of his life,” Villas-Boas said. “I certainly put him alongside Falcao.”

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sturridge i'm ok..but Ince???...i kenot brain..he's nowhere half as good as Sterling..plus he's an impatient kid..put him in the bench and he'll ask for a transfer shakehead.gif
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Coming from someone who cant seem to ignore me though repeatedly saying my Posts being senseless and having a go at my gender with a link about personality disorder from wiki.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 28 2012, 03:03 PM)
exactly, last week we couldve just call in AC so the front can play differently already!
So many of his header fell nicely for suarez n co and made it thru the final 3rd at the closing of last season. But our conversion rate was so poor deswai
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BR simply doesnt want to play this way but the players are doing it at times. Crossing the ball but no one's there. It's inevitable that the players will choose to cross when there's not much room available for pass and move.

The last player that we have from Midfield that will run into empty spaces and knock the ball into goal like Robert Pires is, Raul Meireles. Stevie also dont do that anymore.

So all we are counting on is Suarez to run into spaces. Suarez to create opportunity for himself. Suarez to head the ball in.

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In light of Jose Enrique's improved form lately, here are some photos of the man looking great:

https://twitter.com/shelveyJ/status/263286590892302336
https://twitter.com/nurisahin05/status/273057815860490242

And the best of the lot?
https://twitter.com/i/#!/jose3enrique3/....com%2FPcG40Zyj

Hilarious stuff from the dressing room. laugh.gif
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BR simply doesnt want to play this way but the players are doing it at times. Crossing the ball but no one's there. It's inevitable that the players will choose to cross when there's not much room available for pass and move.

The last player that we have from Midfield that will run into empty spaces and knock the ball into goal like Robert Pires is, Raul Meireles. Stevie also dont do that anymore.

So all we are counting on is Suarez to run into spaces. Suarez to create opportunity for himself. Suarez to head the ball in.

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when barca attack they have a few players in the box. this is still our biggest weakness - getting people into the box
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 28 2012, 03:19 PM)
In light of Jose Enrique's improved form lately, here are some photos of the man looking great:

https://twitter.com/shelveyJ/status/263286590892302336
https://twitter.com/nurisahin05/status/273057815860490242

And the best of the lot?
https://twitter.com/i/#!/jose3enrique3/....com%2FPcG40Zyj

Hilarious stuff from the dressing room. laugh.gif
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WOAH! I want that 6 pax man! Never knew he is so fit. LOL biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 28 2012, 03:20 PM)
when barca attack they have a few players in the box. this is still our biggest weakness - getting people into the box
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Yup. Until we have a few players that Sterling and Enrique can latch on to, we are going to struggle with the pass and move philosophy. Unless this season is just training basis only la!

Next year, we get few fellas like Lucas Podolski, who knows. Maybe we can give the Manchesters some shockers tongue.gif

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 03:17 PM)
BR simply doesnt want to play this way but the players are doing it at times. Crossing the ball but no one's there. It's inevitable that the players will choose to cross when there's not much room available for pass and move.

The last player that we have from Midfield that will run into empty spaces and knock the ball into goal like Robert Pires is, Raul Meireles. Stevie also dont do that anymore.

So all we are counting on is Suarez to run into spaces. Suarez to create opportunity for himself. Suarez to head the ball in.

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oh yes...Meireles...miss dat guy. hes fast with the ball

And he got to celebrate alone lol...oh Suarez. If we lose him this January, we'lll look back in regret.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 03:27 PM)
WOAH! I want that 6 pax man! Never knew he is so fit. LOL biggrin.gif
I am doing sit ups everyday for 6 months but still only got 2 mini mouse line only sad.gif
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All the 6 packs in the world could not save you from bad taste in clothes though. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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OMG jose. That looks gay
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 03:27 PM)
WOAH! I want that 6 pax man! Never knew he is so fit. LOL biggrin.gif
I am doing sit ups everyday for 6 months but still only got 2 mini mouse line only sad.gif


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Yup. Until we have a few players that Sterling and Enrique can latch on to, we are going to struggle with the pass and move philosophy. Unless this season is just training basis only la!

Next year, we get few fellas like Lucas Podolski, who knows. Maybe we can give the Manchesters some shockers tongue.gif
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Added on November 28, 2012, 4:00 pmWalcott is out of date

Walcott is up for grab! nod.gif

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Walcott is out of date

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IF


IF


IF


if somehow the titan gods are favourable (we certainly can use some help tongue.gif ) then somehow a player like walcott comes in. despite the critics calling him unpredictable in form, he's someone who can on his day light up the field, maybe some magic ala john barnes on the flank. and IF we somehow need to exchange downing away. I'm ok. we have decent cover in that area.

IF.

IF..

IF...
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IF
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if somehow the titan gods are favourable (we certainly can use some help  tongue.gif ) then somehow a player like walcott comes in. despite the critics calling him unpredictable in form, he's someone who can on his day light up the field, maybe some magic ala john barnes on the flank. and IF we somehow need to exchange downing away. I'm ok. we have decent cover in that area.

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Did I read Downing? Quickly exchange for Theo. Quick! Quick! biggrin.gif
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WOAH! Again talking about Liverpool. doh.gif
Old man is just obsessed with us, isnt he? He secretly love us, he just wont admit biggrin.gif

Sir Alex Ferguson takes a dig at Liverpool for spending £35m on Andy Carroll

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has criticised Liverpool for splashing out on a £35m bid for Andy Carroll last year and the Scotsman has insisted that he would never have paid that much for the striker.

The 23-year-old failed to get off the mark at Anfield last season under Kenny Dalglish and following the arrival of new manager Brendan Rodgers in the summer, the former Newcastle United forward was loaned out to West Ham United for the season.

"He has only played something like a dozen games for Newcastle and then he had to deal with a £35m transfer to a club like Liverpool," Ferguson told the club's official website.

"That's quite a big jump. I'd certainly not sign that kind of player for that kind of money. We've gambled on young players in the past, maybe a couple of million or whatever, but when you get that level you really have to do a bit more homework and see how he is in his second season maybe."

Ferguson's side come up against the Hammers tonight.

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Hmm... I wonder how much Anderson cost then. hmm.gif Now I agree we overpaid massively for Carroll but is the old man having amnesia already. A couple of million, he said eh?

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WOAH! Again talking about Liverpool. doh.gif
Old man is just obsessed with us, isnt he? He secretly love us, he just wont admit biggrin.gif

Sir Alex Ferguson takes a dig at Liverpool for spending £35m on Andy Carroll

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has criticised Liverpool for splashing out on a £35m bid for Andy Carroll last year and the Scotsman has insisted that he would never have paid that much for the striker.

The 23-year-old failed to get off the mark at Anfield last season under Kenny Dalglish and following the arrival of new manager Brendan Rodgers in the summer, the former Newcastle United forward was loaned out to West Ham United for the season.

"He has only played something like a dozen games for Newcastle and then he had to deal with a £35m transfer to a club like Liverpool," Ferguson told the club's official website.

"That's quite a big jump. I'd certainly not sign that kind of player for that kind of money. We've gambled on young players in the past, maybe a couple of million or whatever, but when you get that level you really have to do a bit more homework and see how he is in his second season maybe."

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a dozen of games? are you sure? if not wrong, carroll has been playing for newcastle when they have been relegated and he helped them to come back to EPL.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 28 2012, 05:43 PM)
Hmm... I wonder how much Anderson cost then. hmm.gif Now I agree we overpaid massively for Carroll but is the old man having amnesia already. A couple of million, he said eh?
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i didnt know manutd need to play mind games against West Ham shocking.gif

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a dozen of games? are you sure? if not wrong, carroll has been playing for newcastle when they have been relegated and he helped them to come back to EPL.
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Yeah, he played through the season they were relegated and he was brilliant for them. Old man got his facts wrong biggrin.gif.

Should we be surprised? He always has partial amnesia such as Shelvey sent off was correct but never comment on RVP and Evans 2 footed lunge biggrin.gif
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Yeah, he played through the season they were relegated and he was brilliant for them. Old man got his facts wrong biggrin.gif.

Should we be surprised? He always has partial amnesia such as Shelvey sent off was correct but never comment on RVP and Evans 2 footed lunge biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 28 2012, 05:48 PM)
i didnt know manutd need to play mind games against West Ham  shocking.gif
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This happened after they lost to Norwich. He realised that they are not that good anymore hence he needs to use mind games trick again. biggrin.gif

This season is a touch and go for both Manchesters and Chelsea. Either one of them can win the league but on paper, Man City and Chelsea have more talents. MU have foxy Fergie and his cunning mind games. biggrin.gif
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Anderson fee undisclosed but reported to be about 17 million. Want compare with caroll should take owen hagreaves or veron though veron later went to chelsea for 20 million pounds bail us out alittle on the cash.

Caroll the 2nd most expensive player in british transfer record behind torres out on LOAN.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 28 2012, 06:08 PM)
damn old whiskey nose at it again.
AC flop? last season 30 games, 10 goals...

senile old fart must've forgotten about veron...
bought 11yrs ago for 28m...add in inflation and in today's money its 37m.
and lets see...51 games, 7 goals...
talk about a flop biggrin.gif


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thats cos he hasnt had anyone good to play mind games with...until rafa returned tongue.gif
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I suspect the flop $35million will score against his team and win 1-0 tongue.gif
To add insult, the flop head out all the corners to safety although Old man's team attack 90 mins.
The flop only had 1 chance, 1 corner, head in. Hahahahha biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 28 2012, 06:08 PM)
damn old whiskey nose at it again.
AC flop? last season 30 games, 10 goals...

senile old fart must've forgotten about veron...
bought 11yrs ago for 28m...add in inflation and in today's money its 37m.
and lets see...51 games, 7 goals...
talk about a flop biggrin.gif
you compare a striker and non striker role? biggrin.gif
at least Utd sold Veron to chelsea for some $$ 20 million quid.
your 35 million man on loan, but will come back stronger for sure brows.gif
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 28 2012, 06:32 PM)
you compare a striker and non striker role?  biggrin.gif
at least Utd sold Veron to chelsea for some $$ 20 million quid.
your 35 million man on loan, but will come back stronger for sure  brows.gif
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ok, how bout everyone's fav forlan then? biggrin.gif


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I suspect the flop $35million will score against his team and win 1-0 tongue.gif
To add insult, the flop head out all the corners to safety although Old man's team attack 90 mins.
The flop only had 1 chance, 1 corner, head in. Hahahahha biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 06:34 PM)
WOAH! Again talking about Liverpool. doh.gif
Old man is just obsessed with us, isnt he? He secretly love us, he just wont admit biggrin.gif

Sir Alex Ferguson takes a dig at Liverpool for spending £35m on Andy Carroll

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has criticised Liverpool for splashing out on a £35m bid for Andy Carroll last year and the Scotsman has insisted that he would never have paid that much for the striker.

The 23-year-old failed to get off the mark at Anfield last season under Kenny Dalglish and following the arrival of new manager Brendan Rodgers in the summer, the former Newcastle United forward was loaned out to West Ham United for the season.

"He has only played something like a dozen games for Newcastle and then he had to deal with a £35m transfer to a club like Liverpool," Ferguson told the club's official website.

"That's quite a big jump. I'd certainly not sign that kind of player for that kind of money. We've gambled on young players in the past, maybe a couple of million or whatever, but when you get that level you really have to do a bit more homework and see how he is in his second season maybe."

Ferguson's side come up against the Hammers tonight.
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come on la, old ferget is just doing what they do best. (secret liverpool obsession)

you see the throngs of padi's coming over in guise of treading discussion. as Petre mentioned, ajaran sesat have many pengikut sesat yawn.gif
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ok, how bout everyone's fav forlan then? biggrin.gif

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Forlan was bought for £6mil. Besides, he was the 3rd striker behind Ruud and Ole in the pecking order.
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Forlan was bought for £6mil. Besides, he was the 3rd striker behind Ruud and Ole in the pecking order.
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but he did play quite a few games.
and until he started ageing, he was banging in goals left right center before and after MU, except for MU.

anyway, 6.9 mil back then in today's money after inflation if not mistaken is 10 mil.
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However much money also Liverpool's money la. Why Old man Fergie feel the pain? I mean we all feel the pain as supporter which is understood. Old man also feel the pain for us? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 08:56 PM)
However much money also Liverpool's money la. Why Old man Fergie feel the pain? I mean we all feel the pain as supporter which is understood. Old man also feel the pain for us? biggrin.gif
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The camp is divided on this. There are those who would say AC is still young. Fact of the matter thanks to commoli, we got a big guy who will probably not live to his fee (ever). Liverpool owners too are partially to blame (giving a sporting director such a role), it was a harsh learning lesson for them, and KD paid the price when the expectations didn't bear fruit sooner.

I can see why BR then refuse to have no control on such matters. Granted AC could still have some blossoming and could be a useful target man for teams playing route 1 football.

We learn a lesson, sure ferret wouldnt refuse an invitation to punch one under the belt. Any less would not complete his week sad.gif

yan cool2.gif

We move on, harshly the big spend last season meant we we probably playing the too much the devil's avocate in 1or 2 impending transfers. Or probably too impacted on damsey's transfer earlier this season. Sooner or later, BR need to stamp some risk. We've been cautious (a bit overtly to some), and been dealth with fortunate shared points. It won't get up any higher up the table and it just staved us off relegation section.

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liv paid the money but the old whiskey nose butthurt..kah kah kah



AC will remain at liv if KK still a manager..pity BR style of play doesnt suit him
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i didnt know manutd need to play mind games against West Ham  shocking.gif
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Ala, look who their manager is? Big Sam is his best pal... Remember how both of them attacked Rafa on his "It's over gesture"? laugh.gif Big sam would bend over just to get protection from Fergie, I would be surprised if West Ham gets anything from the game tonight. laugh.gif
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Diego forlan wasnt a flop la. He was in line to be one of the greats in united history but too bad, he dicided to defy saf advice and choosed the wrong boots. His career ended there and then because of boots.
Did anyone mentioned ac was a flop? He wasnt exactly a flop he went to the wrong team at the wrong time imho. Only person branding ac a flop is a liverpool fan himself. Ynwa lol
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 28 2012, 08:09 PM)
The camp is divided on this. There are those who would say AC is still young. Fact of the matter thanks to commoli, we got a big guy who will probably not live to his fee (ever). Liverpool owners too are partially to blame (giving a sporting director such a role), it was a harsh learning lesson for them, and KD paid the price when the expectations didn't bear fruit sooner.

I can see why BR then refuse to have no control on such matters. Granted AC could still have some blossoming and could be a useful target man for teams playing route 1 football.

We learn a lesson, sure ferret wouldnt refuse an invitation to punch one under the belt. Any less would not complete his week sad.gif

yan cool2.gif

We move on, harshly the big spend last season meant we we probably playing the too much the devil's avocate in 1or 2 impending transfers. Or probably too impacted on damsey's transfer earlier this season. Sooner or later, BR need to stamp some risk. We've been cautious (a bit overtly to some), and been dealth with fortunate shared points. It won't get up any higher up the table and it just staved us off relegation section.
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The thing is, good business, bad business, at the end of the day it is liverpool business. Old man Fergie, die die also must butt in. He is the fine example of why his followers (fans) are behaving like this in here.

We talked among ourselves as Liverpool enthusiasts. Those sesak fellas die die also must butt in and wind us up. This is a serious illness. If we all go to another forum which is hosted by us, I guess they will die of boredom and soon check in to Tanjung Rambutan. LOL biggrin.gif
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The thing is, good business, bad business, at the end of the day it is liverpool business. Old man Fergie, die die also must butt in. He is the fine example of why his followers (fans) are behaving like this in here.

We talked among ourselves as Liverpool enthusiasts. Those sesak fellas die die also must butt in and wind us up. This is a serious illness. If we all go to another forum which is hosted by us, I guess they will die of boredom and soon check in to Tanjung Rambutan. LOL biggrin.gif
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polis cakap jangan feed troll.. lol


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polis cakap jangan feed troll.. lol
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That troll, whether you feed or dont feed also wont stop giving his opinion. If we ignore, he will create topic and then wind us up. If we reply, he will continue winding us up with delusional statements of an uneducated madman. Either way, he wont stop. He's like a talking ringworm.

The best way to counter this annoyance is, he post 1 rubbish, we post 10 news stories to cover his post. It's a tiring process but it will be one that I can see fruitful result. When we cannot read what he commented, we will naturally ignore.

It's very unfortunate that we're living in 21st century and yet we have to deal with this stone-age reptile who understands nothing about humility.

So guys, be ready. biggrin.gif. Google liverpool news and paste. biggrin.gif
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Giving opinion that has football sense is better than you educating people how to handle a fellow forumer here. Teaching peole how to ignore him which you yourself cant do. Google liverpool news rclxms.gif Ringworm? Reptile who can understands humility? More like humiliation. You sure is thick..like a tree trunk.
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And here we go.

Benfica will sell misfit forward Nolito in January - and Liverpool are rumoured to be keen.
The 26-year-old has failed to command a regular first team place under Jorge Jesus and the Portuguese club have agreed to listen to offers in January.
Nolito's predicament is a stark contrast to his first season following a free transfer from Barcelona. Arsenal were said to be interested at the time and he went on to score 15 goals in all competitions.
But the Spaniard, who has yet to earn a cap for his country, has fallen out of favour and will be moved on.
The news is likely to interest Brendan Rodgers, who says he will be active in January and improving his attacking options is a priority.




Enrique making splash in 'Pool midfield: Rodgers
LIVERPOOL manager Brendan Rodgers believes defender José Enrique has provided an example of what can be achieved through hard work and commitment.

The Spaniard's future at Anfield appeared to be in doubt at the start of the season after he failed to hold down a first-team place.

However, Enrique has started the past five Premier League matches, scored his first Reds goal 10 days ago and would have doubled his tally at Swansea on Sunday had it not been for a debatable offside flag.

"I think he has been outstanding," said Rodgers, who has played the 25-year-old in a more advanced role recently in the hope it will add more goals to midfield.

"It is a great credit to him because he and I spoke earlier in the season about trying to improve his game.

"Further up the field he is a real threat going forward with his pace and power and you can see in the last three games how determined he is to get a goal.

"Every player will have a preferred position but I think he has the qualities to play the (midfield) role as he is not a defensive left-back. He is comfortable in the position, which is important, and it gives us a great thrust at the top end of the field."

Pivotal

Striker Luis Suarez's league-leading 10 goals have been pivotal to Liverpool's improvement but the goals from midfield have not materialised.

Just five league goals -- which includes Enrique's strike against Wigan -- have been scored by midfielders and Rodgers knows it is an issue which must be addressed.

"We are just looking to improve how clinical we can be in those areas," added Rodgers.

"I am not going to dwell on as it is highlighted often enough, we just have to keep working."

Victory at seventh-placed Tottenham, just four points ahead, tonight would be a major boost.

"It is a big game against a rival as Tottenham have been up in or around that top four for the last few seasons," said the Northern Irishman.

"If you go away to one of your rivals and win, that can give you great confidence."





Rafa says Torres fitness central to improvement
RAFAEL BENITEZ has told Fernando Torres to start pumping iron if he was serious about proving he could be Chelsea's £50m man of steel.

Interim Blues boss Benitez admitted he did not know whether Torres could recapture the glory days that convinced the Blues to make him the most expensive player ever transferred between British clubs almost two years ago but claimed his fellow Spaniard needed to get fitter to stand any chance of doing so.

Benitez, who helped Torres become one of the best strikers in the world at Liverpool, acknowledged the 28-year-old was not the same player he had been before joining Chelsea.

But he insisted the striker could still make himself an asset rather than a liability at Stamford Bridge, and to do so, he needed to get down the gym.

"We have to improve some players physically and they will come back to maybe the strength they had," Benitez said, insisting age or injuries had nothing to do with Torres's loss of explosive pace.

"He has to train in a way that suits him. We will try to find this way.

"It's a question of time, but we know we have to change the movements we're working. You have to work in the gym on strength. Maybe he needs to do that again."

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Three Blues managers have failed to get Torres scoring regularly, each repeatedly insisting there was nothing wrong with the forward.

But the man who knows his fellow Spaniard better than any of them said: "He's not exactly the same player now, because he was at maximum level at this time (at Liverpool). But I think he can come back. How close? I don't know. It depends on the rest of the team. I'm sure he can improve, but the team has to help him."

Torres also has to help himself, as does Benitez, following a run of just 19 goals in 88 games for the European champions.

"The first thing is to give him some confidence, instructions as to how he can do things in a different way, improve him a little bit physically," said Benitez, who wants Torres's team-mates to create more chances for the striker and win the ball back faster.






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Added on November 29, 2012, 12:16 amLiverpool hoping for big things from 'new Gareth Barry'

Liverpool academy director Frank McParland hopes Reds teenager Marc Pelosi can develop into one of the finest midfielders in the Premier League, and has compared the American to Manchester City star Gareth Barry.

Pelosi joined Liverpool a year ago, despite keen interest from Major League clubs in his native USA, and the 17-year-old continues to impress in the Anfield club's youth system.


The teenager has been tipped by USA under-20 manager Tab Ramos to play his country's senior side for the 'next decade', and Liverpool are also hoping for big things from Pelosi.

According to Liverpool academy chief McParland, Pelosi is similar in style to Barry - a former target for the Anfield club - and the Californian has what it takes to reach the top.

"He reminds me of Gareth Barry of Man City," McParland told Goal.com. "We think he has really high potential."

Liverpool's pursuit of Barry in the summer transfer window of 2008 was well-documented, with Rafael Benitez striving desperately to bring the England international to Anfield from Aston Villa.


Barry outlined his desire to leave Villa for Liverpool, but the Reds were unable to meet the club's demands, and the midfielder joined Manchester City for £12 million a year later.











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Added on November 29, 2012, 12:18 amReal Betis midfielder Benat wanted by Manchester City and Liverpool



Liverpool have joined Manchester City in the hunt for exciting Spanish midfielder Benat, reports the London Metro.

The 25-year-old Real Betis star, who has been likened in playing style to Real Madrid's Xabi Alonso, has emerged as one of La Liga's leading lights over the past two seasons, prompting admiring glances from a host of Premier League clubs.


Manchester City scouts are believed to have been monitoring Benat's progress closely in recent months - including in Betis' 1-0 victory over Real Madrid, where he scored the winner - as Roberto Mancini considers a bid to bring the playmaker to the Etihad Stadium.

However, Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is also keen on the technical midfield maestro, after being promised by Anfield owners that he will be given funds to strengthen his squad in January.

Spanish publication AS suggest Benat could cost upwards of £15million, which could prove to be a sticking point for Liverpool. Rodgers might only be willing to spend half that amount, but could maximise his budget by selling the likes of Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson in the New Year.

The Reds boss is targeting a forward as a priority in the forthcoming transfer window, but knows the Spanish international could add vital balance and creativity with his impressive range of passing, to Liverpool's lacklustre midfield.









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Added on November 29, 2012, 12:20 amLucas nearing Liverpool first-team comeback




The Brazilian defensive midfielder has missed three months of the season with a thigh injury but could make an appearance in Brendan Rodgers' side in the coming weeks



Liverpool coach Mike Marsh has confirmed that midfielder Lucas Leiva is nearing a return to first-team action.

The former Gremio player has been absent since August with a thigh injury, but stepped up his rehabilitation with an hour-long outing for Liverpool’s Under-21 side on Friday.




"Lucas came back and played an hour last week in an U21 fixture so he could be available sooner rather than later," Marsh told the club's official website.

"Everyone is looking forward to welcoming him back and getting him on the pitch in a first-team shirt.

"Fortunately we're blessed with a lot of central midfielders so there's no rush to get him back in - when the time is right I'm sure the boss will put him in when he thinks it will benefit Lucas and the team.”

Marsh believes Lucas could be involved in the following weeks, and praised the mental strength and resolve of the Brazilian during his long road to recovery.

He continued: "He's not far away at all - if he gets a good week in training while we're away in London, he won't be far away from being included in the next game or two.

"He's a Brazilian international, he moved away from home when he was very young - he is a very mentally strong player. We're looking forward to having him back."





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Added on November 29, 2012, 12:21 amLiverpool hire sports psychiatrist who inspired cycling greats Hoy, Pendleton and Wiggins



November 28 - Liverpool FC have strengthened their backroom team by hiring Steve Peters, the sports psychiatrist who inspired Sir Chris Hoy, Victoria Pendleton and Bradley Wiggins to Olympic cycling success.

Peters (pictured top and below, with Pendleton), who still retains links with British Cycling, will spend one day a week at the club's Melwood training ground, combining the role with commitments to UK Athletics.

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has brought in the psychiatrist in an attempt to improve the mental strength of players and staff at Anfield as they bid for success.

Peters, whose clients also include the Sky Pro Cycling team, has been described by Tour de France winner Wiggins as "a world expert on common sense".

In addition to working with Hoy and Pendleton, he helped Ronnie O'Sullivan before his victory at this year's World Snooker Championships and was also employed by Craig Bellamy when the forward was at Anfield last season.

Bellamy credited Peters with helping him improve his form through teaching methods that encourage sportspeople to think more rationally under pressure.

Liverpool's players will be free to choose whether to use his services.

"We have brought in someone who is the top guy in his field, one of the leading guys in the world in what he does," Rodgers said.

"I see it as a part of the development of the player.

"The modern game is very much about the psychological aspect of it.

"I do lots of technical, tactical and physical training and sometimes what gets bypassed is the mental tuning for players, especially in the modern game at the top level."




Rodgers is also hoping that Peters will help him as a manager.

"Command can be lonely and it is always good to have other people to turn to when you are trying to lead the club forward," he explained.

"I have my staff around me and they are outstanding, but it is always nice to have a different set of eyes with different experiences.

"I have always used neurologists, but I took my time when I arrived here to make sure we could get someone who could really help performance.

"This guy is of that level.

"I would stress it is not a psychologist.

"It is neurology."







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Added on November 29, 2012, 4:02 amSuarez and hendo should have taken their chances earlier...

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Spurs are too pace for us to handle... with hendo misses stupid chance then forget bout the winning and we are lucky enough to get a draw.. this game probably end up 3-0
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Added on November 29, 2012, 4:18 amKeep it uppp!!!

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 29 2012, 04:14 AM)
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We could easily score 3 goals...
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QUOTE(skyz @ Nov 29 2012, 04:24 AM)
At first I tot Gerrard was brought down... Gerrard reacted too slow on that one on one...
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BR's former team Swansea is doing so well even losing their gaffer, ALLEN and the guy choosing tot over us, forgot what name edy...
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alot of chance and walker clearance on the line make me wanna cry.gif
bring assaidi in to fight their pace!
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BR's former team Swansea is doing so well even losing their gaffer, ALLEN and the guy choosing tot over us, forgot what name edy...
Allen reminds me of Charlie Adam... Not a decent DM
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We can lose to big team but we hafta win wif smaller teams la. If we play like this wif swansea sure 3 points
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Such an entertaining game..must be a good watch for the neutrals. Too bad we are 2 goals down..dont see us win this one unless someone decides to be clinical today.
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we have 2 chances to go 2-1 early in the game..that suarez and henderson's chance.from that moment on i feel we gonna lose d
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bring assaidi and suso!
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damn, what a 1st half we had lol..
alot of chance and walker clearance on the line make me wanna cry.gif
bring assaidi in to fight their pace!
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But Enrique is doing okay so far... Unless Assaidi for downing Enrique back to lb... Shelvey for hendo...

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we have 2 chances to go 2-1 early in the game..that suarez and henderson's chance.from that moment on i feel we gonna lose d
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Suarez seems to lose his scoring touch... But we can't depend on him alone Everytime...

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Geezz panic moment.. Free kick
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suarez body language not so good today.even sterling has been poor over the last few games
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Assaidi hasn't really impressed me after comin in.. No wonder he's not on BR's starting lineup always...
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if only we can play like this with weaker team, we sure will be at top 6 at the moment...
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if only we can play like this with weaker team, we sure will be at top 6 at the moment...
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Later Southampton u see la. Back to Liverpool team B
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Win against smaller team? I think we are on par with Swansea right now but a wee bit more better than Sunderland. Now we know how Newcastle fans feels like.
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lose 3 point, hope the team can bounce back against qpr...

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sigh..played with high tempo but again no one can finish off chances however little they created. Needed Bale to score for us..lol. Make nothing from all those corners. Need more pondering.
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Newcastle arsenal all lose points and same to us...


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We need him very much
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Downing shouldnt have played at LB doh.gif
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Fact is we DO depend TOO much on one person for goals.
Our midfielders have no goals in them......

Today we depended on the other team to score for us...........go figure

We may play the best passing footie in the world. Without a compliment of players who are
goal threats, we wont get any further.....thats has been going on for some years now
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suarez off form were in trouble..this is what im afraid most..other players juz dont know how to score anymore
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 28 2012, 07:56 PM)
However much money also Liverpool's money la. Why Old man Fergie feel the pain? I mean we all feel the pain as supporter which is understood. Old man also feel the pain for us? biggrin.gif
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He's been fixated with us since proclaiming he wanted to knock us off our perch and until he picks up a couple more European cups, he'll continue to peek over the hedge. He chastises us for signing a player who just came off a good season in the Premiership. Sure £35mil is a lot of money which in hindsight, hasn't paid off. Easy to comment now but did he say anything at the time we signed him? No. He on the other hand signed a player he had never seen play for a reported £7.5-9 million. Make sense much?

QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 29 2012, 12:07 AM)
Giving opinion that has football sense is better than you educating people how to handle a fellow forumer here. Teaching peole how to ignore him which you yourself cant do. Google liverpool news rclxms.gif Ringworm? Reptile who can understands humility? More like humiliation. You sure is thick..like a tree trunk.
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Why do you refer to yourself as a third person? Split personalities? You cross dress at night don't ya? How anyone can make sense of what you've just posted is beyond me. Ringworm is a fungal infection, not a reptile. There are already too many stupid people in the world. Go back to school for the future of mankind.
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I didnt see the game last night coz woke up 15minutes late and saw 2-0.. AHHAHAH....

But I just checked out the highlights... and we lack the cutting edge shown by the top teams. We can't seem to finish off chances convincingly.

And the defending for both goals was woeful, Reina is kinda poor, sadly.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 12:28 AM)
PMR student "Bowl" consumed wrong schizophrenia drug

Kuala Lumpur - Retarded PMR student nicknamed "Bowl" is on the loose in forums. The patient has been suffering from schizophrenia ever since God knows when and have been apparently consuming the wrong drugs hence making nonsensical statement that confuses other forumers.

Authorities are considering the possibility of catching this poor mental retarded student and bar him from using the internet.
Stay tune for more updates.
News from TakBernama. biggrin.gif
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Oath. The worst thing about that infant is he believes he's making sense and actually doing a good job at debating issues. I do commend him however. It takes a lot of practice to sound that stupid.


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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Nov 29 2012, 08:53 AM)
I didnt see the game last night coz woke up 15minutes late and saw 2-0.. AHHAHAH....

But I just checked out the highlights... and we lack the cutting edge shown by the top teams. We can't seem to finish off chances convincingly.

And the defending for both goals was woeful, Reina is kinda poor, sadly.
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Thing is I hope fans don't start blaming Rodgers. Not his fault we missed out on a striker. All he can do is to ensure the team keeps possession and creates chances. He can't put them away himself. I said the same thing about King Kenny because he was blamed for the team hitting the post over 30 times. How long will fans stay patient with Rodgers? His win percentage is the lowest of any Liverpool manager in recent history. I personally don't expect much this season or the next and am willing to give him his full tenure before judging. Until then, I am fully behind Brendan.


Added on November 29, 2012, 9:04 amHere's proof that anyone can be a football manager. Not of a Premiership club but still.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty...13724--sow.html

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when we not scoring the real chance then we deserve to lose
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Guys please, I know most of us are upset with that Rhicebowl coming in here and poking fun, but please don't resort to name calling, that will only get you in trouble. Just ignore him and report if you find he's trolling. I'm not sure how much that will help but at least you won't get suspended.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Nov 29 2012, 08:53 AM)
Reina is kinda poor, sadly.
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Hows that?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 29 2012, 09:35 AM)
Hows that?
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I know our defenders were also quite poor, but Reina is not who he was two seasons ago and previous seasons.

Brad Jones actually looks more confident.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 08:56 AM)
Oath. The worst thing about that infant is he believes he's making sense and actually doing a good job at debating issues. I do commend him however. It takes a lot of practice to sound that stupid.

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Bro, I'm going to copy and paste lots of news stories each time he post anything. When he realised he is not so important in here and everybody has forgotten about him, he will fade away.

Just like how Merlin tells everyone to forget Mab. In forgetting, that troll will no longer exist. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 09:44 AM)
Bro, I'm going to copy and paste lots of news stories each time he post anything. When he realised he is not so important in here and everybody has forgotten about him, he will fade away.

Just like how Merlin tells everyone to forget Mab. In forgetting, that troll will no longer exist. biggrin.gif
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You'll be happy to know BBC has cancelled Merlin...haha
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Bales free kick was actually slightly deflected... Can't blame him for that...
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Nov 29 2012, 09:38 AM)
I know our defenders were also quite poor, but Reina is not who he was two seasons ago and previous seasons.

Brad Jones actually looks more confident.
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i mean with respect to last nite's game.
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QUOTE(reehdus @ Nov 29 2012, 09:45 AM)
You'll be happy to know BBC has cancelled Merlin...haha
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Seriously? I never watch that Drama. I only watch the movie by Sam Neill. That one was awesome.
If only I had Merlin's magic, the annoying person in question will receive severe punishment from me. I will turn his internet connection into 0.44 kbps for lifetime. So each time he try to post a comment, it will take like 20 mins to load. biggrin.gif

He will thus bang his head to his computer everyday. LOL
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 29 2012, 09:53 AM)
i mean with respect to last nite's game.
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I think the first goal he could have done better, albeit it being ultimately the defenders mistake (was it downing?).

Second goal.... COULD have saved it... on another day
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Hmm its ok redhus. Duke is just upset. You can see that he is just posting those stuff to make himself feels better. Let him be he needs it, else he might burst some arteries of his. And the team performance aint helping too you know.

On the game, disnt watch it but i think its not a bad result for liverpool. Tottenham is a pretty strong team. United lost to them too. Besides brenden does alot of rotation in the midfield. He cant seem to stick with his choice. I think the pressure is piling on him.
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Seriously? I never watch that Drama. I only watch the movie by Sam Neill. That one was awesome.
If only I had Merlin's magic, the annoying person in question will receive severe punishment from me. I will turn his internet connection into 0.44 kbps for lifetime. So each time he try to post a comment, it will take like 20 mins to load. biggrin.gif

He will thus bang his head to his computer everyday. LOL
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Lol. Come over to Malaysia and use Streamyx. You just might get that speed.

Since two-face refers to himself as a third person, I think I'll do the same. Don't think you need to punish him. I think the constant need to seek attention and validation is punishment enough.

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Here we go again.

Brendan Rodgers 'embarrassed' by penalty calls

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has claimed that his side were denied "two clear penalties" during Wednesday's 2-1 defeat at Tottenham in the Premier League.

Captain Steven Gerrard and Luis Suarez were both involved in incidents at White Hart Lane as the Reds slumped to a fourth loss of the season.

"We never got the rub of the green tonight. It was a little embarrassing to be honest," Rodgers told Sky Sports News.

"Two clear penalties. Steven Gerrard - that was bordering on assault, never mind a tackle. It was frightening how we never got the penalty for that. And if you watch, Luis Suarez gets kicked by William Gallas, also."

Liverpool have moved down to 12th place in the table with Wednesday's defeat.





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Added on November 29, 2012, 10:04 amLiverpool FC: Players Who Need to Step Up in Attack Behind Luis Suarez



AAfter a 2-1 lost to Tottenham Hotspur, it's become apparent that Luis Suarez can't do it all on his own. The rest of the team has to step up and help in the goal scoring effort.

All things considered, Suarez had a fantastic 90-plus minutes against the 'Spurs, but he couldn't find the back of the net. Liverpool's only goal came from Gareth Bale's face off of a deflection from the goal line.

With Fabio Borini injured, there's a strain on Liverpool's current squad to find goals. Not that Borini would be a definite answer, as he's still re-adjusting to Premier League, but goals need to come from somewhere.

It's hard to put the pressure on a 17-year-old Raheem Sterling. He's too young to have that kind of expectation, as good as he's proven to be.

It seems that Brendan Rodgers has Steven Gerrard playing a more defensive midfield role than he's used to.

Gerrard's entire game relies on pushing forward. That's what he's done since he was promoted to the senior team, and that's where he's the most lethal.

Unless Rodgers plans on bringing in a poaching striker in January, Suarez will be on his own as long as Gerrard keeps playing at the back.

Jonjo Shelvey has come close to a number of powerful strikes, but he has yet to find his scoring touch.

The sad truth for the Reds is that Luis Suarez is their only hop for the time being, unless they want to rely on Stewart Downing or Oussama Assaidi for the time being.

Rodgers will have to bring in a goal-scoring forward in January, or Liverpool will fall by the wayside this season.

Even in 12th place, the league is wide open for Liverpool, or anyone else really. They just need to seize the opportunity.

With a couple of quality additions in January, Liverpool could be right back in the race.





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I think the first goal he could have done better, albeit it being ultimately the defenders mistake (was it downing?).

Second goal.... COULD have saved it... on another day
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First goal was passed to the backpost....twas the defender to defend.

2nd goal was deflected off the wall.........what can he do better in these two circumstances?
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Lol. Come over to Malaysia and use Streamyx. You just might get that speed.
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That bad huh? When I was in Malaysia, my connection was always good but I heard lots of complains from friends. I guess I got lucky. biggrin.gif

I even watched online streaming without any lag.
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We can deliver. Remember the draw with Man City?
Otherwise we wouldve won it if not coz of Skrtel mistake.

We can play. BR made nice calls for sub last nite. Only Assaidi wasnt performing and Downing and Henderson shudnt have started. Downing fault that costed us the first goal would be avoided.

YNWA nontheless!! Its a building in progress so its a good one!
Just play the same against Southampton later so we can keep top 8 place alive.
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Regarding the match, I didnt get to watch. Was too tired yesterday.

But things went as I foresaw. I had wanted us to emphasize more on the Swans game because we have a better chance of snatching 3 points there. It's not uncommon for us to encounter the White Hart Lane curse. Afterall, Rafa's conquering team of 2008/2009 only lost 2 games that season. One was at the Lane. We never have good record there and counting on a good result is a little like hoping too much.

If we have put in all effort to beat Swans, we may have 3 in the bag at least. Now the draw with Swans seems painful, isnt it? I hope BR learn a great deal of lesson here.

Now we are the salvation army giving out points to other teams unnecessarily at our own expense.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 10:27 AM)
If we have put in all effort to beat Swans, we may have 3 in the bag at least. Now the draw with Swans seems painful, isnt it? I hope BR learn a great deal of lesson here.

Now we are the salvation army giving out points to other teams unnecessarily at our own expense.
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Yup..thats why i was so rage. 3 points for the taking with Swans but we decide to try to take 3 points with Spurs....beats me why BR wanna do that. Easily dropped 5 pts in 2 games. haih
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4 points above relegation zone....

Sum up the team, it is like a bottom half mid-table team now.

Top half table also a big problem.



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Tottenham have been prone for leaking goals yet our players still unable to find the net. It just shows how blunt we're in front of goal.

Sterling in particular doesn't has the same sparks as before, maybe fatigue caught up or Vertonghen doing a good job shutting him off.

I was furious with Stevie G in the early stage of the match when he shows no urgency to get back the ball when he's being intercepted. I was like WTF?! Steven, are u really the captain of Liverpool and England that I know?

We could count ourself lucky too that Skrtel isn't send off for his tackle on Demsey. My immediate thought during that moment is straight red, but ends up he only gotten a yellow.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 29 2012, 10:34 AM)
Yup..thats why i was so rage. 3 points for the taking with Swans but we decide to try to take 3 points with Spurs....beats me why BR wanna do that. Easily dropped 5 pts in 2 games. haih
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However, there is much to gain from this loss and if we keep losing more games. What do I say that?

It will send a red alert message to John Henry and Tom Werner. They can either keep their books healthy and see the team falling down the pecking order or they can dig out some reserve funds to get us player like Edi Cavani to help Suarez.

Assuming, we are doing alright, the Yankees will just say "It's ok, Brennie. You got it all covered". A slap on the back and well done and that's it. "No money, by the way". An evil grin follows and they fly back to US.

The Americans as miserly as they are now, hates losing. So comes January, hopefully they will invest alittle more although as a fan, I currently have very little faith in them.


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4 points above relegation zone....

Sum up the team, it is like a bottom half mid-table team now.

Top half table also a big problem.
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Ah... just when all hopes are lost, our Mods friend is here.

Cherroy bro, can you help us to ensure that Bobo (bowl) behaves himself when he's posting in this thread. He's annoying everyone of us. We welcome football discussion but at the moment, Bobo is just happily insulting and poking fun at us.

We just hope to focus on healthy football discussion moving forward. Thanks brother in common support for Liverpool.

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It's a known fact since the opening day of 2009/10 that if you press Liverpool enough, you will get away with a result. That day, we still had dreams of finally winning the Premier League but if anything, the scoreline was a sign of things to come - the clashing of Skrtel and Carra hinted signs of cracks in defence; a disjointed midfield display told us that Alonso's departure was more significant than we think it is. Since that opening fixture, we have been spiralling steadily down the Premier League table.

Fast forward to last night, Spurs and Liverpool now have 2 among the youngest Premier League managers. Spurs, despite losing their best player in Modric and failing to land replacement Moutinho, is still a solid team with Bale now their talisman. Liverpool, on the underhand too had a transfer window screw-up where they allowed 3 of their reliable senior players go without replacing them. Potential signing Clint Dempsey went to Spurs after 2 months of courtship. Had he came to Liverpool, would things have gone differently? Nobody knows, but as fate would have it, he made a significant - albeit small one - difference in the match.

Having said that, Liverpool was on a 8-unbeaten streak and was 5th on the form table while Spurs were far below Liverpool. (The roles have reversed after last night, btw) White Heart Lane has been a tough ground for us where memories of Gareth Bale skinning Skrtel alive is still raw in our heads. (I still think Skrtel deliberately took a red so he didn't have to shit his pants that night) Still, we might have a chance to nick something.

Whistle blown, Spurs started the match the better team by imposing themselves - maintain a high tempo, doubled up on us as soon as we get the ball and took shots whenever possible. Their talisman started the match like a man possessed. 20 minutes into the game, the commentators noted "We could already decide that he's the MOTM", nobody could disagree. It was 20 minutes any Liverpool fan would like to forget.

The first blood started with Gerrard losing possession, Bale collected the ball on the left and charged down the left wing. Using his fiery pace, he left Johnson for dead and sent a low cross across the field towards the far post. Our left back Downing was caught ball watching but Aaron Lennon wasn't going to wait for the ball. Sensing an opportunity, he charged to the back post and scored a tap-in. 7th minutes in... 1-0. 10 minutes later, Dempsey was fouled by Henderson outside the box. Hendo screamed at the once Liverpool target for diving but replays showed that there were perhaps a minor contact. While he hasn't scored many goals this season, Dempsey's aggression caused us some trouble in the opening minutes and won them the free kick. Bale took it. With that kind of form, you sort of expected him to score. He did. The ball took a slight deflection of the ball and sent Reina the wrong direction. 2-0.

At that moment, everybody expected Spurs to go on and achieve a repeat of last season's 4-0 scoreline but they did the unthinkable. They sat back. They stopped pressing. We were allow all the time with the ball, but we didn't take our chances. Sure, we had a number of clear cut chances but the fact is, we didn't score. In the first half, Lloris made a miscalculation of coming out of the goal to stop Enrique and Suarez from a counter-attack. The ball fell to Henderson on the right, who had an open goal to score. The Spurs defender was quick to close down on him and Hendo's shot went wide. Then, in the second half, Gerrard charged into the penalty box, only to be brought down from behind by a Spurs player. The ball fell to Suarez but the shot was saved. Personally, I thought it was a penalty and although the Liverpool players moved on quickly, it became a talking point on BR's interview. The goal finally came when Jonjo took a corner. Agger misheaded it to Gerrard who directed it goalbound. Lennon was in the right spot to clear the ball but it hit squarely into Bale's face and rebounded into the net. An own goal... 2-1.

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Here's my take of our performance.

Personally, I don't want to be critical of our results because when all is said and done, this is a transition period and we have a squad as thin as air. But what I want to see is progress. I want to see a good performance by the team. Tonight, despite the commentators claiming we had a good game, I wasn't impressed. Firstly, Spurs sat back and gave us 65% possession, sixty five! Yet we had little urgency in the game, even in the last 10 minutes. Henderson and Allen in the middle rarely got forward, Gerrard playing further up the park tried to link up with Suarez but only managed to really threaten a couple of times, Suarez had an off day (One man team, anybody?) and Downing, frustratingly played it safe. The only positive is probably Enrique but I wouldn't put a lot of hope on a leftback that was deemed lack of football intelligence and couldn't cross. He's at best a stop-gap solution and a surprise element, but in the long run, we need a player who could do what Enrique does every match and more.

It's worrying that when Assaidi came on, he looked like a player who is still in pre-season. Poor first touch and rarely effective down the wing. We need the signings in January - loan signings, cast out signings or whatever... we can't rely on Suarez and Sterling for every single match. If we are going to have another quiet January transfer window, I have no doubt we will get a midtable finish.

Of course, some might say that getting beaten by Spurs 2-1 away isn't a harsh result, in fact many would be content with a draw. However in the context of our form of late, we need to build a string of wins. Dalglish was doing ok until January where we lost Lucas to injury and Suarez was involved in the racism row. I'm a fan of Brendan Rodgers and I genuinely want him to succeed. We have a number of winnable games until January - Southampton (H), West Ham (A), Aston Villa (H), Fulham (H), QPR (A), Sunderland (H). 6 games. At least 4 wins isn't too much to ask for, is it?


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Tottenham have been prone for leaking goals yet our players still unable to find the net. It just shows how blunt we're in front of goal.

Sterling in particular doesn't has the same sparks as before, maybe fatigue caught up or Vertonghen doing a good job shutting him off.

I was furious with Stevie G in the early stage of the match when he shows no urgency to get back the ball when he's being intercepted. I was like WTF?! Steven, are u really the captain of Liverpool and England that I know?

We could count ourself lucky too that Skrtel isn't send off for his tackle on Demsey. My immediate thought during that moment is straight red, but ends up he only gotten a yellow.
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Regarding Sterling, we can't be relying on a 17-year old kid in every single match. All those tracking backs and running would sure take its toll. With BR cooling down on talks of January transfer window, I'm only hoping that he is doing it to reduce the chance of getting ripped off.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 10:46 AM)
However, there is much to gain from this loss and if we keep losing more games. What do I say that?

It will send a red alert message to John Henry and Tom Werner. They can either keep their books healthy and see the team falling down the pecking order or they can dig out some reserve funds to get us player like Edi Cavani to help Suarez.

Assuming, we are doing alright, the Yankees will just say "It's ok, Brennie. You got it all covered". A slap on the back and well done and that's it. "No money, by the way". An evil grin follows and they fly back to US.

The Americans as miserly as they are now, hates losing. So comes January, hopefully they will invest alittle more although as a fan, I currently have very little faith in them.
Im curious to see how Borini will work with Suarez. And the return of Lucas. If i were Henry, i would keep my faith on those returning. A gamble, yes. But also spending money buying players. U dont know if Walcott or Cavani solution will work or not.

But then wuteva we will do, itll be the point of blame if we didnt get things rite in the end.
If we buy players and still lose - the blame will be we shudve chosen another player bla bla
If we dont buy players and lose - well the blame will be dat we didnt buy any.

Wuteva it is, Henderson n Downing must go. Its lonnnngg overdue.
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Its really testing times as a supporter. Had the in laws drop by during the weekend and brother in law was laughing the fact i still support LFC, well he is into the betting part, but i was hoping we beat swansea just to prove his point that LFC is a team of the past, wrong but the goalless result only consolidated his banter.

Really understand how it feels to be a midtable team supporter. But for me personally, its more painful because of our history and its not even ten years past since we won the UCL in Istanbul, now we see a shadow of the team we used to watch with so much hope. Anfield is no longer a fotress, no teams fear us anymore. Players like downing, henderson are still earning megabucks for doing nothing.

The club and the owners know they need to fix this FAST. Our supporters base are shrinking by the day. Just look around and try find any liverpool supporters below 15 years old, chances are there is very very few. The past two seasons has been so painful, this season wont change much of that. I dare not even have any optimism for next few seasons.

Yet, wear the liverbird crest i will every weekend and continue to receive banter from everywhere i turn i will, sorry about the rant. Just needed to release some steam.
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QUOTE(liverpool red @ Nov 29 2012, 11:05 AM)
Yet, wear the liverbird crest i will every weekend and continue to receive banter from everywhere i turn i will, sorry about the rant. Just needed to release some steam.
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I wore 2010 Gerrard kit yesterday. I even walk like him. I dun care. Even the rest was wearing our national colors.

Altho i was demented by the sacking of KK, No one is bigger than the club. I now stand behind BR. Altho most of it because i have no other choice.
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It's a known fact since the opening day of 2009/10 that if you press Liverpool enough, you will get away with a result. That day, we still had dreams of finally winning the Premier League but if anything, the scoreline was a sign of things to come - the clashing of Skrtel and Carra hinted signs of cracks in defence; a disjointed midfield display told us that Alonso's departure was more significant than we think it is. Since that opening fixture, we have been spiralling steadily down the Premier League table.

Fast forward to last night, Spurs and Liverpool now have 2 among the youngest Premier League managers. Spurs, despite losing their best player in Modric and failing to land replacement Moutinho, is still a solid team with Bale now their talisman. Liverpool, on the underhand too had a transfer window screw-up where they allowed 3 of their reliable senior players go without replacing them. Potential signing Clint Dempsey went to Spurs after 2 months of courtship. Had he came to Liverpool, would things have gone differently? Nobody knows, but as fate would have it, he made a significant - albeit small one - difference in the match.

Having said that, Liverpool was on a 8-unbeaten streak and was 5th on the form table while Spurs were far below Liverpool. (The roles have reversed after last night, btw) White Heart Lane has been a tough ground for us where memories of Gareth Bale skinning Skrtel alive is still raw in our heads. (I still think Skrtel deliberately took a red so he didn't have to shit his pants that night) Still, we might have a chance to nick something.

Whistle blown, Spurs started the match the better team by imposing themselves - maintain a high tempo, doubled up on us as soon as we get the ball and took shots whenever possible. Their talisman started the match like a man possessed. 20 minutes into the game, the commentators noted "We could already decide that he's the MOTM", nobody could disagree. It was 20 minutes any Liverpool fan would like to forget.

The first blood started with Gerrard losing possession, Bale collected the ball on the left and charged down the left wing. Using his fiery pace, he left Johnson for dead and sent a low cross across the field towards the far post. Our left back Downing was caught ball watching but Aaron Lennon wasn't going to wait for the ball. Sensing an opportunity, he charged to the back post and scored a tap-in. 7th minutes in... 1-0. 10 minutes later, Dempsey was fouled by Henderson outside the box. Hendo screamed at the once Liverpool target for diving but replays showed that there were perhaps a minor contact. While he hasn't scored many goals this season, Dempsey's aggression caused us some trouble in the opening minutes and won them the free kick. Bale took it. With that kind of form, you sort of expected him to score. He did. The ball took a slight deflection of the ball and sent Reina the wrong direction. 2-0.

At that moment, everybody expected Spurs to go on and achieve a repeat of last season's 4-0 scoreline but they did the unthinkable. They sat back. They stopped pressing. We were allow all the time with the ball, but we didn't take our chances. Sure, we had a number of clear cut chances but the fact is, we didn't score. In the first half, Lloris made a miscalculation of coming out of the goal to stop Enrique and Suarez from a counter-attack. The ball fell to Henderson on the right, who had an open goal to score. The Spurs defender was quick to close down on him and Hendo's shot went wide. Then, in the second half, Gerrard charged into the penalty box, only to be brought down from behind by a Spurs player. The ball fell to Suarez but the shot was saved. Personally, I thought it was a penalty and although the Liverpool players moved on quickly, it became a talking point on BR's interview. The goal finally came when Jonjo took a corner. Agger misheaded it to Gerrard who directed it goalbound. Lennon was in the right spot to clear the ball but it hit squarely into Bale's face and rebounded into the net. An own goal... 2-1.

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Here's my take of our performance.

Personally, I don't want to be critical of our results because when all is said and done, this is a transition period and we have a squad as thin as air. But what I want to see is progress. I want to see a good performance by the team. Tonight, despite the commentators claiming we had a good game, I wasn't impressed. Firstly, Spurs sat back and gave us 65% possession, sixty five! Yet we had little urgency in the game, even in the last 10 minutes. Henderson and Allen in the middle rarely got forward, Gerrard playing further up the park tried to link up with Suarez but only managed to really threaten a couple of times, Suarez had an off day (One man team, anybody?) and Downing, frustratingly played it safe. The only positive is probably Enrique but I wouldn't put a lot of hope on a leftback that was deemed lack of football intelligence and couldn't cross. He's at best a stop-gap solution and a surprise element, but in the long run, we need a player who could do what Enrique does every match and more.

It's worrying that when Assaidi came on, he looked like a player who is still in pre-season. Poor first touch and rarely effective down the wing. We need the signings in January - loan signings, cast out signings or whatever... we can't rely on Suarez and Sterling for every single match. If we are going to have another quiet January transfer window, I have no doubt we will get a midtable finish.

Of course, some might say that getting beaten by Spurs 2-1 away isn't a harsh result, in fact many would be content with a draw. However in the context of our form of late, we need to build a string of wins. Dalglish was doing ok until January where we lost Lucas to injury and Suarez was involved in the racism row. I'm a fan of Brendan Rodgers and I genuinely want him to succeed. We have a number of winnable games until January - Southampton (H), West Ham (A), Aston Villa (H), Fulham (H), QPR (A), Sunderland (H). 6 games. At least 4 wins isn't too much to ask for, is it?


Added on November 29, 2012, 11:02 am
Regarding Sterling, we can't be relying on a 17-year old kid in every single match. All those tracking backs and running would sure take its toll. With BR cooling down on talks of January transfer window, I'm only hoping that he is doing it to reduce the chance of getting ripped off.
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Nice read. Nice summary for those who disnt watch the game.
I think all these negative outcomes in liverpool has made brenden cuckoo. Somebody needs to give him the wake up call. Besides i really wonder why is stevie g plaing in such a deep role? His preffered position would always be behind the striker i know he is old and not as good as how he use to be but i sort of think that he should play there and get his confidence back. He will get assists for suarez and he will bang in the goals

Out of the 6 games, i think soton qpr are sure win for liverpool. Not sure bout the rest. I think its not the team not capable of winning. More to brenden not making the right choices.

Lol dillon. Do you have to ask right here in the thread. Atleast pm right.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 29 2012, 11:04 AM)
Im curious to see how Borini will work with Suarez. And the return of Lucas. If i were Henry, i would keep my faith on those returning. A gamble, yes. But also spending money buying players. U dont know if Walcott or Cavani solution will work or not.

But then wuteva we will do, itll be the point of blame if we didnt get things rite in the end.
If we buy players and still lose - the blame will be we shudve chosen another player bla bla
If we dont buy players and lose - well the blame will be dat we didnt buy any.

Wuteva it is, Henderson n Downing must go. Its lonnnngg overdue.
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As I mentioned before, I am not disappointed when we lose. I am disappointed if we dont try at all.
If Henry aint gonna buy anyone this coming windows, I am truly disappointed in his leadership because that means we are not going to try at all. We are burying this season and looking forward to the next.

I accept that this season is going to be mediocre as we are building a team that will play pass and move (Kiki Lala). The least that I ask for is, we try.

Even with Cavani in, we're not going to be suddenly world beaters. But with Edi in the team, we can start building along with him and Suarez upfront for the foreseeable future. We cant do things like, buy a good player after the season ended and then next season's excuse will be, Cavani is still settling into life in Melwood. It will take another season before things start to gel. This is rubbish to the max.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 10:46 AM)
However, there is much to gain from this loss and if we keep losing more games. What do I say that?

It will send a red alert message to John Henry and Tom Werner. They can either keep their books healthy and see the team falling down the pecking order or they can dig out some reserve funds to get us player like Edi Cavani to help Suarez.

Assuming, we are doing alright, the Yankees will just say "It's ok, Brennie. You got it all covered". A slap on the back and well done and that's it. "No money, by the way". An evil grin follows and they fly back to US.

The Americans as miserly as they are now, hates losing. So comes January, hopefully they will invest alittle more although as a fan, I currently have very little faith in them.


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Ah... just when all hopes are lost, our Mods friend is here.

Cherroy bro, can you help us to ensure that Bobo (bowl) behaves himself when he's posting in this thread. He's annoying everyone of us. We welcome football discussion but at the moment, Bobo is just happily insulting and poking fun at us.

We just hope to focus on healthy football discussion moving forward. Thanks brother in common support for Liverpool.

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I have no mod power on this section. smile.gif

Btw, if the team keep on has this kind of result and league standing, it is matter of time Suarez being lured away by other team.

Look at the table, worst off than Swansea, Fulham, West Ham, and WBA is flying up there.

Steve Clarke is doing well at WBA.

BR is under lot of scrutiny regarding the players selection for the last few games.
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I accept that this season is going to be mediocre as we are building a team that will play pass and move (Kiki Lala). The least that I ask for is, we try.
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yup...same. Ive seen more energy and positive passing game compared to last season. We just need to do it every single time.
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I cannot imagine if lost to Southampton, draw against Fulham and lose/draw against QPR for the next few games.

Southampton hitting some form lately.
QPR under new manager, Harry may spark the team.

Liv win how many matches for the calendar year of 2012?
Not enough to match the finger in a hand! (A hand not both hand!)
If not mistaken.

Mid-table team?
I see more like a team just avoid relegation battle. sweat.gif

Playing well?
Playing well does give you a point, clean sheet give you a point. But the team so far has been leaking goal here and there, never look solid at all (even those 0-0 result)

Scoring with clean sheet only can give 3 points.
Clean sheet, hard to get.
Score?
Only Suarez seems can score, if off form on the day, hardly can see where the goal come from. Nobody score more than 1 goal, after 14 matches played!

Rely on opponent own goal? sweat.gif

The situation is really bad.
Playing well must score goal, no use of playing well or play tiki-taka or whatever if cannot score goal and keep a clean sheet.


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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 29 2012, 11:40 AM)
yup...same. Ive seen more energy and positive passing game compared to last season. We just need to do it every single time.
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Yes, passing game is good but up to final third and score.

But no point for that.

Just like know how to build an engine, you still need the finish touch to complete the car.

You can build the most wonderful and power engine (passing), but cannot complete build the car totally or without know how to put the 4 wheel together (score), the car is not taking shape at all, and cannot compete in the race at all.
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The situation is really bad.
Playing well must score goal, no use of playing well or play tiki-taka or whatever if cannot score goal and keep a clean sheet.
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This is true, and extremely painful to admit. But the one positive anyone can take out of this is that we're playing well and losing/drawing. If we were playing badly and losing/drawing ala Hodgson's time, the fans would be more impatient.


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With all due respect, you've been pointing out the obvious for as long as I could remember. No point telling everybody that there isn't a point in playing tiki-taka, kiki lala if we don't score goals. Everybody and their grandmas know that.

So rather than stating the obvious, why not focus on discussions on what could be done in these circumstances? Discussion on whether it's a tactical issue or a personnel one? Are we in this predicament because of formations or form?

I know it's tough time for a Liverpool fan, but I rather we keep our discussions within context and as constructive as possible.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 29 2012, 11:45 AM)
Yes, passing game is good but up to final third and score.

But no point for that.

Just like know how to build an engine, you still need the finish touch to complete the car.

You can build the most wonderful and power engine (passing), but cannot complete build the car totally or without know how to put the 4 wheel together (score), the car is not taking shape at all, and cannot compete in the race at all.
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we had no prob going into the final third last nite. We played well in there. Its just that we had not enuff composure coz Gallas n gang were swarming the box. But we were storming the front pretty nicely.
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I have no mod power on this section.  smile.gif

Btw, if the team keep on has this kind of result and league standing, it is matter of time Suarez being lured away by other team.

Look at the table, worst off than Swansea, Fulham, West Ham, and WBA is flying up there.

Steve Clarke is doing well at WBA.

BR is under lot of scrutiny regarding the players selection for the last few games.
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We were counting on you to neutralise Bobo for us. Keep him in check. So he can still come in and post annoying stuff. sigh...

As for the selection, it's not once but twice now. I am truly mystified. With the rumours building about Arsenal apparent's interest in Downing, maybe BR is trying to secure the deal? I hope this is the case.

I couldnt picture the fact that Downing was selected on a merit basis. It just doesnt make sense. He is by far our weakest link in the team. Cant pass, cant cross, cant dribble, cant defend well. I'm not sure but i think I can play for Liverpool too if that is the case. I got some Neymar skills when it comes to dribbling. LOL
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 10:46 AM)
However, there is much to gain from this loss and if we keep losing more games. What do I say that?

It will send a red alert message to John Henry and Tom Werner. They can either keep their books healthy and see the team falling down the pecking order or they can dig out some reserve funds to get us player like Edi Cavani to help Suarez.

Assuming, we are doing alright, the Yankees will just say "It's ok, Brennie. You got it all covered". A slap on the back and well done and that's it. "No money, by the way". An evil grin follows and they fly back to US.

The Americans as miserly as they are now, hates losing. So comes January, hopefully they will invest alittle more although as a fan, I currently have very little faith in them.
I'm the opposite. I think FSG have done a lot of good to improve the cash flow at the club. They've cleared out debt and despite our league position, we are healthy. They could have pocketed the money generated from the Torres sale as profit but instead, put faith in Dalglish and Commolli, sanctioning the purchase of Andy Carroll. Suarez wasn't exactly cheap either and neither were Jordan Henderson or Steward Downing.

If you read this article, you'll come to realise they aren't as miserly as you may think. They have spent more than anyone as a matter of fact.

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/fsg-t...pending-at.html

In their short time as owners, they have done a lot to reduce wastage and they have always said they'd spend prudently i.e. not put the club in debt by loaning money to buy expensive players in the manner Gillet and Hicks did.

I do really think they deserve more credit than they are getting. We knew we weren't getting a rich Sheikh looking for a hobby but instead, businessmen looking to invest in an entity they feel, they can make profitable in the long run.

QUOTE(liverpool red @ Nov 29 2012, 11:05 AM)
Its really testing times as a supporter. Had the in laws drop by during the weekend and brother in law was laughing the fact i still support LFC, well he is into the betting part, but i was hoping we beat swansea just to prove his point that LFC is a team of the past, wrong but the goalless result only consolidated his banter.

Really understand how it feels to be a midtable team supporter. But for me personally, its more painful because of our history and its not even ten years past since we won the UCL in Istanbul, now we see a shadow of the team we used to watch with so much hope. Anfield is no longer a fotress, no teams fear us anymore. Players like downing, henderson are still earning megabucks for doing nothing.

The club and the owners know they need to fix this FAST. Our supporters base are shrinking by the day. Just look around and try find any liverpool supporters below 15 years old, chances are there is very very few. The past two seasons has been so painful, this season wont change much of that. I dare not even have any optimism for next few seasons.

Yet, wear the liverbird crest i will every weekend and continue to receive banter from everywhere i turn i will, sorry about the rant. Just needed to release some steam.
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It is indeed a testing time but we should never feel ashamed to fly the club's colours. When I wear it the day after a defeat, I feel a sense of pride, not remorse. Why? It takes more to stand by your club in defeat than in victory. Our fans sing YNWA at the end of the game when we're winning but they also do so in defeat. You'll see clenched fists and buldging veins as kopites belt out YNWA in sheer defiance.

When someone laughes at me for supporting the club, asking why I still support the team, I don't feel anger. Instead, I feel pity for that person will never have the same connection with the club he or she supports.

Istanbul as magical as it was, flattered to deceive because we did finish behind Everton that year, in 7th, marginally better than last season. The fact of the matter is we've struggled to find any measure of consistency and I'm not just talking over the course of a season. Aside from 2005, we also had success in the 2000/2001 season under Houllier but that didn't last either. In spite of this, I don't think our base is shrinking. We're still a very well supported club. Our jersey sales world wide fall behind only Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barcelona despite having not won the league in over two decades. We aren't losing fans, if anything we aren't getting new ones.

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We were counting on you to neutralise Bobo for us. Keep him in check. So he can still come in and post annoying stuff. sigh...

As for the selection, it's not once but twice now. I am truly mystified. With the rumours building about Arsenal apparent's interest in Downing, maybe BR is trying to secure the deal? I hope this is the case.

I couldnt picture the fact that Downing was selected on a merit basis. It just doesnt make sense. He is by far our weakest link in the team. Cant pass, cant cross, cant dribble, cant defend well. I'm not sure but i think I can play for Liverpool too if that is the case. I got some Neymar skills when it comes to dribbling. LOL
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I can't speak for the Swansea match but for last night's match, I wouldn't put anybody other than Johnson to contain Gareth Bale. Kelly isn't available and it will be cruel to put Wisdom in.

On the left, Enrique has done decently to warrant a place as a left midfielder, so we're only left with Downing and Robinson for LB. For some reason, BR has shown reluctance to play Robinson... whether it's because he isn't ready, too lightweight, who knows?

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I can't speak for the Swansea match but for last night's match, I wouldn't put anybody other than Johnson to contain Gareth Bale. Kelly isn't available and it will be cruel to put Wisdom in.

On the left, Enrique has done decently to warrant a place as a left midfielder, so we're only left with Downing and Robinson for LB. For some reason, BR has shown reluctance to play Robinson... whether it's because he not ready, too lightweight or whatever reason is unknown. Sadly, we are only left with Downing.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 12:08 PM)
It is indeed a testing time but we should never feel ashamed to fly the club's colours. When I wear it the day after a defeat, I feel a sense of pride, not remorse. Why? It takes more to stand by your club in defeat than in victory. Our fans sing YNWA at the end of the game when we're winning but they also do so in defeat. You'll see clenched fists and buldging veins as kopites belt out YNWA in sheer defiance.

When someone laughes at me for supporting the club, asking why I still support the team, I don't feel anger. Instead, I feel pity for that person will never have the same connection with the club he or she supports.
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With all due respect, you've been pointing out the obvious for as long as I could remember. No point telling everybody that there isn't a point in playing tiki-taka, kiki lala if we don't score goals. Everybody and their grandmas know that.

So rather than stating the obvious, why not focus on discussions on what could be done in these circumstances? Discussion on whether it's a tactical issue or a personnel one? Are we in this predicament because of formations or form?

I know it's tough time for a Liverpool fan, but I rather we keep our discussions within context and as constructive as possible.
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I share your sentiment. Regardless of our league position, I'm still optimistic and I hope we persist with Rodgers. It doesn't bother me if it takes us another 5 seasons to challenge because I'm in this for the long haul and so long as FSG and Rodgers continue to make progress, I'm fine with us taking baby steps.

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I can't speak for the Swansea match but for last night's match, I wouldn't put anybody other than Johnson to contain Gareth Bale. Kelly isn't available and it will be cruel to put Wisdom in.
Same here. Gareth Bale is playing his best football now and I reckon most defenders will have a hard time. Johnson was and is the best option to mark him as far as I'm concerned. If I were use a basketball analogy, people used to say that if you could limit Michael Jordan to less than 30 points you've had a good night. I'm not suggesting that Bale is his footballing equivalent, but there is only so much you can do against someone in blistering form.
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i kinda find it ironic that FSG gets stick for not getting a striker but our management, having agreed to let Andy Carroll go on loan without first securing a replacement comes out smelling of roses.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 12:08 PM)
I'm the opposite. I think FSG have done a lot of good to improve the cash flow at the club. They've cleared out debt and despite our league position, we are healthy. They could have pocketed the money generated from the Torres sale as profit but instead, put faith in Dalglish and Commolli, sanctioning the purchase of Andy Carroll. Suarez wasn't exactly cheap either and neither were Jordan Henderson or Steward Downing.

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I understand that they have done alot to scrap us off the bottom of our debt and now they are expanding Anfield something of which I am grateful.

My take on them is the miserly spending of not getting at least 1 decent striker for us when we lost Kuyt and Bellers. That part I am gutted. I feel that was a very wrong decision in saving the money at the wrong time. If they dont do something about it comes January, I will be disappointed. I understand they want to take us off the red from the balance book but that area is a case for urgency as well. I know we cant keep asking them to spend and spend. But this area, we cannot afford not to when it's costing us valuable points.

Sell if we have to but we need to secure a striker or at least get AC back to the team.

At some point, Suarez will be out. Either fatigue or injury. We have to prepare for this. Not many players can last through 38 games unscathed. Count our blessing if Luis is fit for the whole season.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 29 2012, 12:21 PM)
i kinda find it ironic that FSG gets stick for not getting a striker but our management, having agreed to let Andy Carroll go on loan without first securing a replacement comes out smelling of roses.

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Honestly I feel neither Carroll nor Dempsey are solutions to our current problem. Carroll can benefit from a loan and honestly at the time having Borini and some youngsters as backup seemed to leave us in an OK position.

QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 12:23 PM)
I understand that they have done alot to scrap us off the bottom of our debt and now they are expanding Anfield something of which I am grateful.

My take on them is the miserly spending of not getting at least 1 decent striker for us when we lost Kuyt and Bellers. That part I am gutted. I feel that was a very wrong decision in saving the money at the wrong time. If they dont do something about it comes January, I will be disappointed. I understand they want to take us off the red from the balance book but that area is a case for urgency as well. I know we cant keep asking them to spend and spend. But this area, we cannot afford not to when it's costing us valuable points.

Sell if we have to but we need to secure a striker or at least get AC back to the team.

At some point, Suarez will be out. Either fatigue or injury. We have to prepare for this. Not many players can last through 38 games unscathed. Count our blessing if Luis is fit for the whole season.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 12:23 PM)
I understand that they have done alot to scrap us off the bottom of our debt and now they are expanding Anfield something of which I am grateful.

My take on them is the miserly spending of not getting at least 1 decent striker for us when we lost Kuyt and Bellers. That part I am gutted. I feel that was a very wrong decision in saving the money at the wrong time. If they dont do something about it comes January, I will be disappointed. I understand they want to take us off the red from the balance book but that area is a case for urgency as well. I know we cant keep asking them to spend and spend. But this area, we cannot afford not to when it's costing us valuable points.

Sell if we have to but we need to secure a striker or at least get AC back to the team.

At some point, Suarez will be out. Either fatigue or injury. We have to prepare for this. Not many players can last through 38 games unscathed. Count our blessing is Luis is fit for whole season.
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I'll pick out a few key points from the article.

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"We've always spent money we've generated rather than deficit-spending and that will be the case in Liverpool, it's up to us to generate enough revenue to be successful over the long term. We have not and will not deviate from that"

"We must comply with Financial Fair Play guidelines that ensure spending is tied to income. We have been successful in improving the commercial side of the club and the monies generated going forward will give us greater spending power in the coming years."

"Spending is not merely about buying talent. Our ambitions do not lie in cementing a mid table place with expensive short-term quick fixes that will only contribute for a couple of years. We will invest to succeed, but we will not morgage the future with risky spending."

"We will build and grow from within, buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages. We have no fear of spending and competing with the very best and we will not overpay for players".
I do agree that the fact we ended the transfer season with no strikers other than Suarez and Borini is a cockup. FSG stuck to their principle by not meeting a valuation if they felt is was too high. I'm pretty sure they'll correct this in January.

If anything, FSG have been very consistent with their statements, but fans keep demanding for success now. Isn't going to happen until we make a profit. Last season we recorded a loss of $49 million pounds. This was of course not taking into account the Warrior deal which took effect this season. Also, we've just signed a 4-year deal with Chevrolet. FSG are working. Fans just need to take their eyes off the pitch for awhile to realise this.

Suffice to say, I think that FSG will be content as long as we improve on our 8th placed finish last year. Winning trophies is important but not a priority at the moment because the prize money from winning trophies is a bonus, it isn't a guaranteed stream of regular income. When we make a profit either from say securing more sponsors and expanding Anfield, we will see the club invest in players. At the moment they need to balance the cheque books and that means looking into reducing and managing our overheads e.g. player and staff salaries. The more we earn, the more we can afford to pay. The last time we spent more than we earned, we almost ended up being owned by a bank.

As fans, it's natural for us to wish for owners who are willing to inject their life savings into the club to sanction the purchase of players. If we empathise however and put ourselves in the shoes of FSG, would we be willing to do so? I keep backing FSG because for once, I feel we have owners with foresight and direction. We were falling behind everyone else under Moores and subsequently Gillet and Hicks who spent, and put is in debt. Fans need to remember that we were facing administration and FSG bailed us out. For that alone, we owe it to them to see their vision through at least.

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Our jersey sales world wide fall behind only Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barcelona despite having not won the league in over two decades.
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Aye, that was like 1 decade ago bro, check stats now and u see arsenal, chelsea sales > liverpool
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Check out this reply in Soccernet from a chelsea fan:

Chelsea not lacking any spine, all they lack is their manager and a real #9...
We have clearly stated that Benitez is not at Chelsea for any good. RDM's Chelsea would have beaten Fulham well and still displayed good football for all to watch.
Roman has made the greatest ever mistake.
Now, we dont know were it will land us but for sure we will soon be contesting 11th position with Liverpool this season.
But it may not mata to most Chelsea fan provided Rafa is fired soon. Cheers to all the Chelsea fans at the Bridge for displaying such character in uniformity. It will help prevent Roman from firing whoever will be the next manager no mata how things go.less

Man that really is sad, they're more impatient than we are with managers
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 12:48 PM)
I'll pick out a few key points from the article.
I do agree that the fact we ended the transfer season with no strikers other than Suarez and Borini is a cockup. FSG stuck to their principle by not meeting a valuation if they felt is was too high. I'm pretty sure they'll correct this in January.

If anything, FSG have been very consistent with their statements, but fans keep demanding for success now. Isn't going to happen until we make a profit. Last season we recorded a loss of $49 million pounds. This was of course not taking into account the Warrior deal which took effect this season. Also, we've just signed a 4-year deal with Chevrolet. FSG are working. Fans just need to take their eyes off the pitch for awhile to realise this.

Suffice to say, I think that FSG will be content as long as we improve on our 8th placed finish last year. Winning trophies is important but not a priority at the moment because the prize money from winning trophies is a bonus, it isn't a guaranteed stream of regular income. When we make a profit either from say securing more sponsors and expanding Anfield, we will see the club invest in players. At the moment they need to balance the cheque books and that means looking into reducing and managing our overheads e.g. player and staff salaries. The more we earn, the more we can afford to pay. The last time we spent more than we earned, we almost ended up being owned by a bank.

As fans, it's natural for us to wish for owners who are willing to inject their life savings into the club to sanction the purchase of players. If we empathise however and put ourselves in the shoes of FSG, would we be willing to do so? I keep backing FSG because for once, I feel we have owners with foresight and direction. We were falling behind everyone else under Moores and subsequently Gillet and Hicks who spent, and put is in debt. Fans need to remember that we were facing administration and FSG bailed us out. For that alone, we owe it to them to see their vision through at least.
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They have been our savior thus far from Hicks and Gill which I am truly grateful. The thing is, if we are under such financial restriction, why do we loan out big Andy Caroll? We dont have the luxury of chopping/changing when we are thin on budget.

This remains an awful decision because we cant afford to buy but yet we can afford to loan out a player. I'm never a big fan of Caroll, everyone knows that. But I think if he stays, he could have provided a few options. We are biting teeth everyday now, Duke.

Most fans care about on field progress than business because fairly, they are in for the sports not the business side of things. The backbone of a Liverpool product is performance on the field. That is our product. If we dont focus on improving the quality of our product, how are we gonna generate more revenue and in this case, winning trophies to get prize money, getting big sponsors, etc. This require our performance to be on par as well, not just good marketing skill because that is our product.

The least they can do is to take back Andy if they cannot afford to buy in January. And I hope big Andy will come back a different player to prove BR wrong for letting him go.
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QUOTE(bone_me @ Nov 29 2012, 01:04 PM)
Aye, that was like 1 decade ago bro, check stats now and u see arsenal, chelsea sales > liverpool
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I stand corrected. What I quoted was for Adidas kits alone.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/10/08/...rt-sale-charts/

We're 6th overall.


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They have been our savior thus far from Hicks and Gill which I am truly grateful. The thing is, if we are under such financial restriction, why do we loan out big Andy Caroll? We dont have the luxury of chopping/changing when we are thin on budget.

This remains an awful decision because we cant afford to buy but yet we can afford to loan out a player. I'm never a big fan of Caroll, everyone knows that. But I think if he stays, he could have provided a few options. We are biting teeth everyday now, Duke.

Most fans care about on field progress than business because fairly, they are in for the sports not the business side of things. The backbone of a Liverpool product is performance on the field. That is our product. If we dont focus on improving the quality of our product, how are we gonna generate more revenue and in this case, winning trophies to get prize money, getting big sponsors, etc. This require our performance to be on par as well, not just good marketing skill because that is our product.

The least they can do is to take back Andy if they cannot afford to buy in January. And I hope big Andy will come back a different player to prove BR wrong for letting him go.
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I'm not sure what happened when the decision to let big Andy go was made. It looked as though Rodgers released him under the assumption we would get Dempsey, not taking into consideration that FSG wasn't going to budge on their valuation of the player. I don't think either party was completely blameless and it could have been down to communication. Either way, we were screwed.

When you draw the comparison between affording to buy and affording to send a player out on loan, are talking in monetary terms, or are you suggesting we could ill afford to lose a striker?

I'm not suggesting that fans do not care about what takes place on the field, but they cannot only focus on that, turning a blind eye to progress off it especially when FSG have issued statements saying that is their area of focus for now. When that is resolved only will they consider paying more for players and their salaries. Therefore it is unfair to attribute our league position to the owners being skint because a) they have already spent more than anyone in Liverpool history and b) they will not spend at a deficit which I personally feel is a good thing.

I get what you're saying about the product and one reason I'm sure the owners considered before purchasing the club, is the commercial viability of the club. It stands to reason to believe that they had done their projections before hand and were sure that we had the fan base and global appeal to be a profitable club. Despite the lack of success compared to our more illustrious rivals, Liverpool still does enjoy a pretty good following, which makes it easier to secure sponsors like Standard Chartered, Warrior and Chevrolet. We are fortunate in this respect.

In the end, everything you and I have talked about is important. We just need to listen to what FSG are saying and rank them in order of importance. If you listen to what the gaffer and FSG are saying now for example, the priority is clearly on increasing income and decreasing overheads. If they didn't agree on this, Rodgers would have been axed for saying improving on 8th is an achievement.

Having said all that, we haven't exactly been playing poorly I feel. We've just been getting poor results.

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At the end of the day, the reality of the situation is this:

Bad performance on field:

1) Drop of fans, drop of tv viewers. It's a reality. Some fans dont stick through thick and thin. That itself directly affect the sponsors
2) Drop of attendance. The gate collection is affected when we perform badly. Again, dont blame them for being not loyal and start shooting holes on them. They are just human afterall. They are free to choose to come and watch or not. Only season ticket holders may turn up. Random match attendees will not bother to go and watch a faltering Liverpool
3) Value of the club drop - We are no longer that valuable as we like to think when our performances are bad. Why would sponsors pay $50 mil for Liverpool when perhaps Man City is quoting the same price or perhaps lower?
4) Power of persuasion drops - If we keep dropping off the top, i think by now we all should know quality players will be hard to come by. This is commonly understood no matter how much fans may say we have history, we have our past glory. It counts for nothing with modern players from overseas who are not Liverpool fan.
5) Sales kit drop - perhaps one of the most damaging area because it affects our franchises.

So performance on field, is our product. And at the moment, the quality of our product is dropping everyday. It's like we are importing Nike from Angola.

We will not be champions even if we sign Falcao or Cavani. The least we can do is to ensure we dont drop into the dangerous zone of being nobody and then still claim that we are big global brand. It's not gonna be the case. Let's be realistic.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 01:41 PM)
At the end of the day, the reality of the situation is this:

Bad performance on field:

1) Drop of fans, drop of tv viewers. It's a reality. Some fans dont stick through thick and thin. That itself directly affect the sponsors
2) Drop of attendance. The gate collection is affected when we perform badly. Again, dont blame them for being not loyal and start shooting holes on them. They are just human afterall. They are free to choose to come and watch or not. Only season ticket holders may turn up. Random match attendees will not bother to go and watch a faltering Liverpool
3) Value of the club drop - We are no longer that valuable as we like to think when our performances are bad. Why would sponsors pay $50 mil for Liverpool when perhaps Man City is quoting the same price or perhaps lower?
4) Power of persuasion drops - If we keep dropping off the top, i think by now we all should know quality players will be hard to come by. This is commonly understood no matter how much fans may say we have history, we have our past glory. It counts for nothing with modern players from overseas who are not Liverpool fan.
5) Sales kit drop - perhaps one of the most damaging area because it affects our franchises.

So performance on field, is our product. And at the moment, the quality of our product is dropping everyday. It's like we are importing Nike from Angola.

We will not be champions even if we sign Falcao or Cavani. The least we can do is to ensure we dont drop into the dangerous zone of being nobody and then still claim that we are big global brand. It's not gonna be the case. Let's be realistic.
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We have been in the same situation we are now since Souness. Yet, there still aren't enough seats in Anfield so I don't think attendance to games will be affected. We still have a very healthy number of travelling fans.

I do agree that if we continue to deteriorate, we will fall off the radar but overall, I am optimistic despite our poor league position, for reasons I've already given. It will take years for what you're suggesting will happen, to be dire. Before the time comes, I am confident we would have addressed our league form. John Henry mentioned that the task of transforming the club is like steering a cruise liner, not a speedboat and I can understand why.

It is a matter of perspective in the end, and I'm looking at our situation from an optimistic one. I've been pessimistic about the club for much of my life because we lacked foresight and direction. We were content with living in past glories but we now have people dedicated to bring us forward.

I personally am confident Rodgers will deliver some measure of success by the end of his term.

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However, there is much to gain from this loss and if we keep losing more games. What do I say that?

It will send a red alert message to John Henry and Tom Werner. They can either keep their books healthy and see the team falling down the pecking order or they can dig out some reserve funds to get us player like Edi Cavani to help Suarez.

Assuming, we are doing alright, the Yankees will just say "It's ok, Brennie. You got it all covered". A slap on the back and well done and that's it. "No money, by the way". An evil grin follows and they fly back to US.

The Americans as miserly as they are now, hates losing. So comes January, hopefully they will invest alittle more although as a fan, I currently have very little faith in them.


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Ah... just when all hopes are lost, our Mods friend is here.

Cherroy bro, can you help us to ensure that Bobo (bowl) behaves himself when he's posting in this thread. He's annoying everyone of us. We welcome football discussion but at the moment, Bobo is just happily insulting and poking fun at us.

We just hope to focus on healthy football discussion moving forward. Thanks brother in common support for Liverpool.

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Yes, yes Cavani would trade a title challenge and UCL to join a team that "grew in confidence" following a DRAW with Swansea.

All for history man, can't understate the importance of history. Surely Cavani would leap at the chance of playing for the FIVE time european champions instead of...well, playing in Europe.


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Regarding Chelsea, I switched channels after the Liverpool match ended and right after the final whistle was blown at Stamford Bridge, everybody was booing Rafa. That's probably the loudest noise you'll ever hear in Stamford Bridge.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 12:20 PM)
Same here. Gareth Bale is playing his best football now and I reckon most defenders will have a hard time. Johnson was and is the best option to mark him as far as I'm concerned. If I were use a basketball analogy, people used to say that if you could limit Michael Jordan to less than 30 points you've had a good night. I'm not suggesting that Bale is his footballing equivalent, but there is only so much you can do against someone in blistering form.
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I haven't seen any Spurs game this season but if the first 20 minutes last night was an indicator, he was bloody good and unplayable.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 29 2012, 12:21 PM)
i kinda find it ironic that FSG gets stick for not getting a striker but our management, having agreed to let Andy Carroll go on loan without first securing a replacement comes out smelling of roses.

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BR has said that the only reason he let Carroll go because he has been promised that replacements will come. A million things are going on behind the scenes, surely you can't be expecting West Ham to hold the loan deal until the final day either? What would West Ham do if we decided to keep Carroll on the last day like how Chelsea pulled the plug on Sturridge?

It's a miscommunication between the owners, Ian Ayre and the management. Sh!t happens, move on.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 01:50 PM)
We have been in the same situation we are now since Souness. Yet, there still aren't enough seats in Anfield so I don't think attendance to games will be affected. We still have a very healthy number of travelling fans.

I do agree that if we continue to deteriorate, we will fall off the radar but overall, I am optimistic despite our poor league position, for reasons I've already given. It will take years for what you're suggesting will happen, to be dire. Before the time comes, I am confident we would have addressed our league form. John Henry mentioned that the task of transforming the club is like steering a cruise liner, not a speedboat and I can understand why.

It is a matter of perspective in the end, and I'm looking at our situation from an optimistic one. I've been pessimistic about the club for much of my life because we lacked foresight and direction. We were content with living in past glories but we now have people dedicated to bring us forward.

I personally am confident Rodgers will deliver some measure of success by the end of his term.
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I still have confident in Rodgers, without a shadow of a doubt. If his philosophy is being backed up 100% by the owners, then Kudos to everyone working for the club. I am very sure this brand of football will bring long term success hence I dont even want to look at the table now.

But we gotta be careful. Football is a result-oriented business no matter what. We cant afford anything below 10th solely for marketing and employability reasons. In fact, 3 seasons of under achievement makes me worried because sponsors may come in and slash our value.

As for employability, you know why. Even when Johnny suddenly picks out his pocket next season and gives BR $100mil for example, we may have a hard time trying to persuade players to come when we finished 15th in the league for example.

A fan once said in here, players are mercenary and will come for the sole reason of financial gain. That itself is another big blow to us. Before this, we just say we are Liverpool and players will come for 50k, 60k wages? Now we say we are Liverpool and they ask for 120K or no deal because we cant offer Champions League football. It's money talk and bullsh1t walks.

So some savings may cause us to lose more in the future. We must be careful. If we ever becomes like Nottingham Forest, oh God!


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Yes, yes Cavani would trade a title challenge and UCL to join a team that "grew in confidence" following a DRAW with Swansea.

All for history man, can't understate the importance of history. Surely Cavani would leap at the chance of playing for the FIVE time european champions instead of...well, playing in Europe.
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Football, result oriented, yes.

But that's a very short term thing no?

The identity I see in Liverpool is much wider than that.

If I were to support based on results and historical values, I'd choose Man Utd. Back then, I was only like what? 10? 11 years old? Which individual at that age cares about historical values? The hip team back then was Man Utd. AND just to be specific, their history back then wasn't as bad as people make out to be.

As a matter of fact, IF I were to support Liverpool based on our number of trophies, I'd switched as well, to either Man Utd or Real Madrid. Easier no?

What I see in Liverpool is more than just trophies. It could be a sign of rebel? The fans? The colour? The song? The playing method? It could be many things.

Liverpool FC essentially is like the Boston Celtics or the Golden State Warriors in the NBA. A team doesn't have to be good to keep fans, it has intangible factors.

Say if Barcelona did not possess such factors, would they be where they are now? Without the fans, Real Madrid would still be there, at the top, with the money and players.

Oh speaking about people laughing at us for supporting the club through THICK and THIN? I always tell people, jokingly, at least we as Liverpool fans know how to handle losses. tongue.gif
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Football, result oriented, yes.

But that's a very short term thing no?

The identity I see in Liverpool is much wider than that.

If I were to support based on results and historical values, I'd choose Man Utd. Back then, I was only like what? 10? 11 years old? Which individual at that age cares about historical values? The hip team back then was Man Utd. AND just to be specific, their history back then wasn't as bad as people make out to be.

As a matter of fact, IF I were to support Liverpool based on our number of trophies, I'd switched as well, to either Man Utd or Real Madrid. Easier no?

What I see in Liverpool is more than just trophies. It could be a sign of rebel? The fans? The colour? The song? The playing method? It could be many things.

Liverpool FC essentially is like the Boston Celtics or the Golden State Warriors in the NBA. A team doesn't have to be good to keep fans, it has intangible factors.

Say if Barcelona did not possess such factors, would they be where they are now? Without the fans, Real Madrid would still be there, at the top, with the money and players.

Oh speaking about people laughing at us for supporting the club through THICK and THIN? I always tell people, jokingly, at least we as Liverpool fans know how to handle losses. tongue.gif
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Let's put it in simple term, not everyone thinks like you. If they do, then it's fine. We wont suffer commercial value dropping.

Let's say if Ian Ayre were to go to Standard Chartered and tells them fans are like "lilredridinghood". They dont just support us because we win. They will be behind us even if we are on 15th place in the table this season. You think the sponsors will buy this crap?

Dont get me wrong. I do believe there are people like you and me and Duke who will love Liverpool no matter what. But let's not generalise. The next generation of football fans are now Manchesters and Chelsea.

We are being termed as supporting "Ah Pek's team" (old man team).

For every 10 football fans that were born, maybe only one walk to the Red side of Liverpool while others are happily supporting MC, MU and Chelsea. You may argue, it's not important lah. They are not our problem. They are our problem. We need them to be a global brand. We need them to remain big. Without them, we are just a small club.

Again, I am just stating the reality. It's great we have loyal fans. Can the loyal fans donate $10,000 to Liverpool every year so we remain a big club? Tak Boleh right? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 02:01 PM)
I still have confident in Rodgers, without a shadow of a doubt. If his philosophy is being backed up 100% by the owners, then Kudos to everyone working for the club. I am very sure this brand of football will bring long term success hence I dont even want to look at the table now.

But we gotta be careful. Football is a result-oriented business no matter what. We cant afford anything below 10th solely for marketing and employability reasons. In fact, 3 seasons of under achievement makes me worried because sponsors may come in and slash our value.

As for employability, you know why. Even when Johnny suddenly picks out his pocket next season and gives BR $100mil for example, we may have a hard time trying to persuade players to come when we finished 15th in the league for example.

A fan once said in here, players are mercenary and will come for the sole reason of financial gain. That itself is another big blow to us. Before this, we just say we are Liverpool and players will come for 50k, 60k wages? Now we say we are Liverpool and they ask for 120K or no deal because we cant offer Champions League football. It's money talk and bullsh1t walks.

So some savings may cause us to lose more in the future. We must be careful. If we ever becomes like Nottingham Forest, oh God!
We almost did a Leeds Utd by overspending so it's a fine line indeed.

I don't think it's as much about saving as it is about spending wisely. Sadly, this means reducing overheads whilst at the same time, increasing revenue. We could do one and not the other but that would take more time. That being said, much of this is centered around not signing a replacement striker which I think everyone would agree is a mistake. If you look at the bigger picture, we've reduced our wage bill by some $30 million pounds per year by releasing ageing or innefective players. If you consider we made a loss of $49 million last season, this goes a long way into helping reduce overheads. Unfortunately, sticking to our guns meant we lost out on Dempsey but like I said, it has also done a lot of good. Some may say that it was too early to sell someone like Kuyt, but it also meant we get to give youngsters like Sterling and Suso a go.

I agree that if you continue to slide, we are in jepordy of losing out on good players but it's like I said earlier. The club will not spend what it hasn't earned. Meaning only when we make money, will the owners provide bigger transfer kitties and relook the wage bill. You are right that we will most likely not go after big players unless the numbers make sense. It is why it's futile to get excited over rumours of signing Cavani because it is more likely we'll get someone like Darren Bent on loan.

This beckons the question. If we aren't going to rely on buying expensive star players, how will we improve our league form? The answer was given in the article we posted earlier. We either have to grow talent, or we will look for young players with potentially good value in the future. It is possibly whey they sanctioned the purchase of Suarez and who knows? If we don't have to get into a bidding war by some miracle, signing Cavani might make financial sense as well.

It's almost a chicken and egg story here. Fans think that the way forward is for the owners to invest money first and hope it will pay dividens but unfortunately as history would have it, we haven't had much success with this. We have spent so much in transfers and wages over the years and we have yet to win the elusive league title. The owners who are businessman therefore, are being prudent and will not spend until they can ensure we turn over a healthy profit and we aren't far from it if you consider our loss last season did not take into consideration the reduced wage bill from players sold prior to the start of the season, and the sponsorship deals with Warrior and Chevrolet.

We could do a Chelsea or Man City and record huge losses despite winning trophies but our owners are businessmen. They are looking for profit, and not to spend on luxury items like say, a Premier League trophy, as well I think they should be. I for one would not want for the club to record a loss just to win a title. The long term survival of the club matters more to me than bragging rights.

I am inclined to agree with the owners that the smartest way forward, isn't to spend too much now. The thing is, we can and have improved our cash flow even though we finished 8th in the league last season. As fans, we may not like that FSG are talking the long route but we have to respect the fact that it's their money invested in the club, not ours. I personally do respect FSG because all their statements so far, make perfect sense to me. John Henry is an honest man which I like. In contracts, Gillet and Hicks opted to win fans over by telling us everything we wanted to hear. Henry could do this as well, but he has more class.

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Just wondering if you guys have read this thread in RAWK called "The Alternative Premier League Table":
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The concept is quite interesting as explained here:
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For those of you who are new to the APLT, or those who need a reminder of the model, the APLT makes an assumption that in order to win the league title, a team needs to win 90 points of the season.  This can be achieved by winning all home matches, the seven ‘easiest’ away matches (the three promoted teams and the 14th-17th ranked teams from the previous season) and draw the 12 remaining away matches.  I refer to these as the ‘par results’.  As in golf, par will be achieved more often than not, but sometimes points are dropped or gained in relation to par.

The fixture list below for the top seven teams indicates the ‘hardest’ matches which are all par 1s, with the remaining fixtures all par 3s.
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Basically, it's assumed in this model that a title winning side (90 points needed to secure the title) needs to win all Par 3 matches (Non-Coloured) and draw the Par 1 match (Coloured).

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As I illustrated in depth last season, the predictability of results in the par 1s is actually quite low (title winning teams over achieve as a rule to offset dropped points in the par 3 matches), but title winning teams must win most if not all of their par 3 matches.  Last season, Man City won 24 out of their 26 par 3s (they drew at home to Sunderland and lost away at Swansea – not exactly the most predictable banana skins if the pars are assigned before the season starts).

Over the season, I will plot the results in relation to par for all the teams featured on a graph (an example of last season’s completed graph is below).  If a team plays to par, the line on the graph will be horizontal, whereas dropped points will lead to a negative gradient and gained points and positive gradient.
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After last night's game, the alternative table look like this:
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The only reason why we seem to be on par with Arsenal, Spurs & Everton in the alternate table is because it's assumed that we have a tough start (Away games against West Brom, Sunderlan, Norwich, Everton, Chelsea, Swansea, Spurs). The table is therefore more 'lenient' to us than it is to the other teams.

Does that mean we should be positive? No. In fact, if anything, the next few matches are basically must win games. From Southampton to Sunderland, and then in February, from West Brom to Chelsea... these are the matches we are expected to win if we want to achieve something. In a nutshell, the honeymoon period is over. If BR wants to prove himself to be a good manager, he has to build a winning run now. If we lose or draw the next matches, we probably could forget about having even a sniff at that top 6 place.

Any thoughts?
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In a nutshell, the honeymoon period is over. If BR wants to prove himself to be a good manager, he has to build a winning run now. If we lose or draw the next matches, we probably could forget about having even a sniff at that top 6 place.

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I can never take the word "nutshell" seriously. My ladyboss keeps saying that and I keep replying the word "bombshell" springs to my mind instead each time. LOL.

So in a bombshell, oooopss, nutshell, i think we are overly optimistic if we are aiming for a winning run and a sniff at top 6. How do we plan to get that winning run? Any tactical planning, any players that can suddenly rise to the occasion and nick in a few goals when it matters? Unless we have massive luck on our side then perhaps, as we still have many problems on the field which is very obvious why we are not getting result. The problems are not gonna be suddenly fixed by itself.

It's a like a plump Australian girl with some pimples on the face hoping to be at least in the top 10 finalists of Miss Universe. How is that possible? Well, somehow, some of the judges voted the number wrongly? (a perfect bombshell example biggrin.gif)

If we dont fix the problems, we have only luck to count on. The million dollar question is, how long can we stay lucky?
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Well imho as long as liverpool can stay on the epl and not get relegated..it should be fine? Whats the big hoo haa about losing revenue ni? Even newcastle dropped to championship and climb back they still okay. Simple wat. Aiyayai
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I thought the results against Tottenham was dissapointing but the performance wasn't too bad. We had quite regularly lost against Spurs in the last few years, it would have been good if BR could stop the rot but if he can't, well I wouldn't blame him. Spurs is one of our bogey team.

Watching the match yesterday, I don't think we found out anything new... We need more attacking players, we already said that all season long. We've been saying we need Lucas back and Hendo/Allen/Gerrard's performance yesterday prove us right. We've been saying Stewart Downing is poor, well he was poor again yesterday. There are a couple of problems to be fixed before we can go on a winning run. I'm sure BR knows it but he can't fix our problems without raw materials. We need new and better players, period.

Looking at Bale and Lennon yesterday, I think they are exactly the kind of wide players we need. Just imagine a front three of Bale, Suarez and Lennon, I think that would be very effective. Anyway, since we can't afford them, we should look for players like that, pacy wingers with an eye for goals. Sterling is good, but he is too young and inexperienced. At times his naivety shows. Enrique as a winger has been impressive but don't think he is our long term solution. I remember he had a chance with a free header against Spurs, but he chose to head back to a teammate rather than go for goal. I put that down to him not being a regular goal scorer, so he doesn't have the confidence to go for goal. Personally, I think Walcott fits the bill. Sadly, I don't think we have much chance of signing him, hope I'm wrong though.

Lastly, I'll say that we should all get behind BR. He's doing his best with whatever players he have. I know some said that we should have kept Carroll, but the fact is he only scored one goal so far for West Ham recently, despite West Ham playing a style of football that is tailor-made for him. No doubt he may contribute to our attacking prowess, but he certainly isn't the solution to our goal scoring problems. Had he stayed, I'm convinved he won't get many goals if any at all. We need a new striker imo. In my books, BR isn't doing too much wrong. So far at least, I still say he is the right man for us.
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as a united fan, I think you should just stop posting here already lar....... =.=
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Unless you guys have good topic of discussions, then let's explore together.

But you should know this thread is always going to be biased towards our team Liverpool. Some MU guys came in here expecting to defend MU tooth and nail. What's the point? This is Liverpool here. Of course it's bias.

If football fans are capable of not being bias, we wont have rivalry I guess and the world will have no racists.

Differences of opinions are ok but as with the case of someone, he resorts to poking fun each time after making a statement. Absolutely childish and unwelcome.

THanks for telling him to go. Nobody will miss him here. But I do not think he will heed your advice. I hope he proves me wrong.
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Let's put it in simple term, not everyone thinks like you. If they do, then it's fine. We wont suffer commercial value dropping.

Let's say if Ian Ayre were to go to Standard Chartered and tells them fans are like "lilredridinghood". They dont just support us because we win. They will be behind us even if we are on 15th place in the table this season. You think the sponsors will buy this crap?

Dont get me wrong. I do believe there are people like you and me and Duke who will love Liverpool no matter what. But let's not generalise. The next generation of football fans are now Manchesters and Chelsea.

We are being termed as supporting "Ah Pek's team" (old man team).

For every 10 football fans that were born, maybe only one walk to the Red side of Liverpool while others are happily supporting MC, MU and Chelsea. You may argue, it's not important lah. They are not our problem. They are our problem. We need them to be a global brand. We need them to remain big. Without them, we are just a small club.

Again, I am just stating the reality. It's great we have loyal fans. Can the loyal fans donate $10,000 to Liverpool every year so we remain a big club? Tak Boleh right? biggrin.gif
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Not disagreeing but to be a "result oriented" team, one has to spend, one has to take higher risk in order to yield better returns. However, who is to say that by signing the best players in the world, we are guaranteed with at least a trophy a season? Even so, ROI wise, is it feasible? Will the club lose its financial ground and be like Leeds United as Duke Red has pointed out?

Quick fixes aren't always short term, but it will only work well if everything goes smoothly. We did sign Torres, Alonso and Suarez at a fair amount, but don't forget how much did we splurge on the likes of Downing, Henderson, Konchesky, Aquilani, etc.

These aren't easy fixes unless you have an exorbitant amount of cash. Who wants them? Transfer fees are only part of the story, what about wages?

I am perhaps, one of the few people who did not mind seeing Carroll going out on loan, yes! Even though we did not sign any others because the existence of Andy will only hinder the progress of the team playing the way Brendan Rodgers wants. The negative influence maybe?

My point was to be simple, take things slow, build the club again, lose supporters now, I couldn't care less if we lose supporters even if it means losing sponsors. I am however optimistic when it comes to this point because Liverpool FC shares the similar identity as Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Ajax, Juventus and even Newcastle Utd.

Barcelona was only a challenger of the Primera Liga, hardly consistent before Frank Rjikaard took over but what they had was more, they had supporters supporting them no matter what. I credit that to Johan Cryuff. smile.gif For bringing in total football.

Newcastle United is hardly a small team and had supporters supporting them no matter where they are or were. St James' Park is IIRC, a stadium that has the 2nd or 3rd largest capacity in the whole of the BPL and they are often filled.

Similar things can be said about Nottingham Forest, I have friends who are still following them no matter what.

Yes, we are a minority, but instead of focusing on winning and gain supporters again, we should perhaps look at building ourselves internally first. Get everything sorted out and then look to fix elsewhere.

I can go on and on but I lazy wanna type already. tongue.gif

All I wanna say is, we share different point of views, not that you are wrong, not that I am right. I am just providing my own perspective as a supporter who has "Not So Much" issue about losing but care more about building the tradition of the club again.

Modern day supporters are really impatient and I understand why. Not wrong. But we can choose to be modern or traditional, for me, I choose the latter.

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I will be very very surprise if liv end up at top 4 this season ! Why on earth br still using downing, henderson, gerrard ? must use england player is it ?
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Just wondering if you guys have read this thread in RAWK called "The Alternative Premier League Table":
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=296309.0

The concept is quite interesting as explained here:
Basically, it's assumed in this model that a title winning side (90 points needed to secure the title) needs to win all Par 3 matches (Non-Coloured) and draw the Par 1 match (Coloured).
After last night's game, the alternative table look like this:

The only reason why we seem to be on par with Arsenal, Spurs & Everton in the alternate table is because it's assumed that we have a tough start (Away games against West Brom, Sunderlan, Norwich, Everton, Chelsea, Swansea, Spurs). The table is therefore more 'lenient' to us than it is to the other teams.

Does that mean we should be positive? No. In fact, if anything, the next few matches are basically must win games. From Southampton to Sunderland, and then in February, from West Brom to Chelsea... these are the matches we are expected to win if we want to achieve something. In a nutshell, the honeymoon period is over. If BR wants to prove himself to be a good manager, he has to build a winning run now. If we lose or draw the next matches, we probably could forget about having even a sniff at that top 6 place.

Any thoughts?
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Frankly speaking, nowadays for Liv perspective, there is no weaker team, that ullike last time that many can expect to win easily.
Apart from Norwich game, 5-2, I don't remember there is a match that fan can relax, enjoy seeing the team winning comfortably.

Sniff top 6 place?
If BR doesn't win at least 3 matches from the fixture from now until Christmas, we may be talking slipping into relegation battle fight.
Top half table is already big achievement, top 6 is like miracle at current team standard/performance/result.

Remember the coming fixture is against Southampton, QPR, Stoke. Villa.
No wins against those matches, it can mean disastrous, and bookmaker may change the odd of sacking of manager... sadly to say.
And Suarez's Liv future may in doubt if the season end like current display.

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I agree that you have your valid points but I just hope we dont suffer commercially that will impact our long term revenues. Then when we want to buy, we cant afford or we want to buy but players refuse to come. This is the sort of situation I hope we wont have to go through.

Rafa has given us so much and make us a top 4 team and ensure we stand high in terms of world of football. Now we got to admit we have to chase back to that standard again and slowly look at where it brings us after gaining that consistency to be in top 4 again.

Speaking of that, it's again another few years of waiting. sad.gif
I've been waiting all my life. Since 1990 till now. I am dying to see the premier league trophy.


Added on November 29, 2012, 6:03 pmSeriously? Sick to see another financial struggle here. doh.gif

Liverpool's Raheem Sterling 'yet to be offered new contract'

Liverpool have reportedly stalled in placing a former contract offer on the table for youngster Raheem Sterling.

The Merseyside outfit are believed to be keen on keeping hold of the 17-year-old, who has launched into the first team under manager Brendan Rodgers.

While Rodgers recently claimed that the winger wants to stay at Anfield, it is understood that the Premier League outfit have yet to offer the England international a firm offer, according to the Liverpool Daily Post.

Reports have claimed that Sterling's representatives believe that the teenager is worthy of a higher wage due to his impressive form this season.

Sterling, who has 18 months remaining on his current deal, is believed to be in the sights of Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur.

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 29 2012, 03:00 PM)
The only reason why we seem to be on par with Arsenal, Spurs & Everton in the alternate table is because it's assumed that we have a tough start (Away games against West Brom, Sunderlan, Norwich, Everton, Chelsea, Swansea, Spurs). The table is therefore more 'lenient' to us than it is to the other teams.

Any thoughts?
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It is just another angle to look at the table, but I think statisticians will always try to find comfort after a loss just to feel better, hence by churning out all these tables and graphs.

I swear to God, The same set of data can be easily reinterpreted again in another form of visual presentation to make us look like relegation contenders.

Fact is we are not good enough which (I don't really bothered because I kinda see this coming, already know this from the start) BR can build himself a Barcelonesque team in 10-20 years for all I care, but RIGHT NOW we are in danger of losing good players-players we think we can rely upon to rebuild the glorious Liverpool dynasty again.

FSG to reinforce the squad in the summer with marque signings? Forget it.

Like one said, honeymoon is over. Wake up and smell the coffee BR. A good coach always brings the best out of the players he has and a bad coach always blame the players. That's the difference between the two of them.

BR may have a lot of category 1 Liverpool fans behind him, but BR has yet to convince the category 2 fans that he's up to it.

Slowly but surely, with every points dropped in the league, the level of confidence towards his managerial capability will diminish over time and doubts will be raised. Keeping my fingers crossed.

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Giggs: I think Anfield. Like I said before, no matter how the teams are doing there is always a great atmosphere. You could be playing against an average Liverpool team and it would still be one of the toughest games of the season, just because the crowd drive them on and the tradition between the two clubs


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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 29 2012, 07:38 PM)
Nice one. It is something we have to keep going. Can you imagine how quiet Anfield would have been in the mid-90's if fans abandoned the team? Thankfully, kopites are a different breed, like fans of West Ham, Newcastle and Man City for example. They are behind the team all the time especially in times of adversity.

Lil Red, it's not about age. It's almost like what subject we used to focus on in school. I personally liked math. In the case of Liverpool, my focus was on history and tradition, hence it's why I chose this club. I really like the fact that we have such strong traditions, some of which are still practiced today. I like that fact that the club places and emphasis on remembering our past and honouring it. After meeting the likes of you and monstar, I'm convinced that it's down to this, and not age because monstar was only 21 when I met him. If you were to ask me to read up something Liverpool, I'd look for stories from seasoned posters in RAWK because having a deep appreciation for them has made me the fan that I am today, for better or for worse. I don't read that much on say tactics because I can honestly say, I don't like the game as much as I do the club. I didn't play much of it growing up and I mostly only watch Liverpool games.


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See this tehoice. I could have bet RM1million he wont quit posting here. I am sorry for you guys. He is an embarrassment to your gang.
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See this tehoice. I could have bet RM1million he wont quit posting here. I am sorry for you guys. He is an embarrassment to your gang.
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Polis cakap jangan feed troll...
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darren bent seriously? sometimes the enemy of the club is within not from the outside.

i hope brendan rodgers realises the implications of starting henderson downing in a match.if he cares about keeping his joh he better know.


Added on November 29, 2012, 10:28 pmdarren bent seriously? sometimes the enemy of the club is within not from the outside.

i hope brendan rodgers realises the implications of starting henderson downing in a match.if he cares about keeping his joh he better know.

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Polis cakap jangan feed troll...
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I just cannot understand. If you go to a party, everyone boo at you. You are unwelcome, and the host told you to get out, what would you do? You would do the honor to yourself by walking off. Why? Because you have a sense of pride.

But this joker, dont even have that sense of pride. He just happily sit at your sofa and keeps biding his time in the party while annoying others.

I dont want to insult him anymore. Instead I would plead with him to walk off. Do yourself the honor. Walk away. Post in your MU thread where they really value your opinion.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 29 2012, 10:27 PM)
darren bent seriously? sometimes the enemy of the club is within not from the outside.

i hope brendan rodgers realises the implications of starting henderson downing in a match.if he cares about keeping his joh he better know.

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If Bent is the kinda reinforcement we are looking at, then BR better keep the money to himself. Bent not even good enough to play relegation threatened team, let alone a mid table languishing club like ours.

Just when you think it couldn't get worse.....

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BR confirms Lucas starts this Saturday!!! Good news!!
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BR confirms Lucas starts this Saturday!!! Good news!!
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Leiva will give a big boost to the team
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Do yourself a favor. If you have any sense of pride, ignore me. Take heed at ppzs advice, polis kata jgn feed the troll.
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Do yourself a favor. If you have any sense of pride, ignore me. Take heed at ppzs advice, polis kata jgn feed the troll.
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Just go back to your thread ok? I am asking you nicely. They value your opinion there. We dont over here. And, we are not good human being. we are not good at entertaining you. Just go to your thread. You insult us there, people will clap for you.

So please go. Thank you.
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It is just another angle to look at the table, but I think statisticians will always try to find comfort after a loss just to feel better, hence by churning out all these tables and graphs.

I swear to God, The same set of data can be easily reinterpreted again in another form of visual presentation to make us look like relegation contenders.
You're missing out on the whole point of the system. FYI, it was a thread set up before Dalglish took over, so nobody is trying make anybody feel good.

Take your bias out of it and look at it again. I won't say it's perfect (E.g. the model assumes that away matches against the likes of Sunderland & Swansea are 'tough' or 'unpredictable, yet home games against City, United etc are 'winnable'), but it's a good alternative way to look at results and it make sense. While it has put us in a positive light so far as the games we've had are thought to be 'tough', if we're do not win the next few games it's going to reflect badly on the charts. Even more than the actual Premier League table does. It's a logical system and no matter what, by end of the season it consolidates into what you see in the actual Premier League table.

I'm sure you agree that David Moyes has done exceptionally well during his time in Everton. Last season they finished 7th, 4 points ahead of us. But I'm sure you remember at this stage last season, they weren't doing very well either? 16 points - 5 wins, 1 draw, 8 loses. What happens next is history. Let's not jump into conclusions too hastily or we risk hitting the reset button prematurely, again.

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Fact is we are not good enough which (I don't really bothered because I kinda see this coming, already know this from the start) BR can build himself a Barcelonesque team in 10-20 years for all I care, but RIGHT NOW we are in danger of losing good players-players we think we can rely upon to rebuild the glorious Liverpool dynasty again.

FSG to reinforce the squad in the summer with marque signings? Forget it.

Like one said, honeymoon is over. Wake up and smell the coffee BR. A good coach always brings the best out of the players he has and a bad coach always blame the players. That's the difference between the two of them.

BR may have a lot of category 1 Liverpool fans behind him, but BR has yet to convince the category 2 fans that he's up to it.

You seem to be overly critical of BR wanting more players. If a difference between a good and bad coach is in his ability on utilizing the best he has, what do you make of Rafa's final season with us? Bear in mind we still had a solid spine in Reina, Agger, Carra, Johnson, Masch, Gerrard and Torres. That, imo is a spine very much worthy of a Champion's League place, yet we got knocked out of Europe and finished 5 places below the previous season. Many attributed it to the owners' lack of investment and even Rafa has openly spoke out against them. Or perhaps, do you share the public notion that Rafa is a whiner and should have done better?

If the squad is thin, you have to acknowledge it especially when certain things are beyond the control of the manager. You can't expect a manager to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Context is important.

And what's this absurd thing about winning over category 1 and category 2 fans? I don't BR has successfully 'won' anybody over, as any optimism I've seen in fans is laden with caution. The only difference I see between the 2 sets of fans is patience. One is comfortable in affording any manager at least 2-3 seasons, the latter demands more immediate improvements. If things don't go his way 2 seasons later, I'm sure the category 1 fans are not delusional to deny it. The way I see it, the cat 1 fans are giving BR a longer time frame to prove himself, wherelse the other group has different expectations.

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Slowly but surely, with every points dropped in the league, the level of confidence towards his managerial capability will diminish over time and doubts will be raised. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Ermm... so, are you keeping your fingers crossed that it won't happen?

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Yessss!!! So Gerrard can help Suarez!!!

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Hope he can charge forward now and provide some assists and scoring a few himself
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Just go back to your thread ok? I am asking you nicely. They value your opinion there. We dont over here. And, we are not good human being. we are not good at entertaining you. Just go to your thread. You insult us there, people will clap for you.

So please go. Thank you.
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I Have to admit not all my opinions and posts are valueble. I even find some to be rubbish and i am not here looking for people to acknoledge my presense, to hail or to clap for me nor to entertain me. I feel im fine here and that if you find my posts to be stressing you up. Do click the ignore button. I think it will be a usefull function for you.
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starting to like reading all u guys' posts. as much as i hate pool as a mu fan, u guys post wif sense. no nonsense found. am enjoying reading it.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 29 2012, 10:27 PM)
darren bent seriously? sometimes the enemy of the club is within not from the outside.

i hope brendan rodgers realises the implications of starting henderson downing in a match.if he cares about keeping his joh he better know.


Added on November 29, 2012, 10:28 pmdarren bent seriously? sometimes the enemy of the club is within not from the outside.

i hope brendan rodgers realises the implications of starting henderson downing in a match.if he cares about keeping his joh he better know.
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Considering the word through the grapevine is that we won't have much to spend in January, a loan signing looks more likely and Bent is available on loan. Hey I'd like to get Cavani and Huntelaar but I imagine they would be valued anywhere between £20-30 million pounds. Assuming we don't have a lot of money to spend, we don't have that many options and althought I don't rate Bent, he does score goals and he'd be a stop gap solution. We all know the January transfer window is notorious for over inflated prices and maybe we can look for a more permanent solution during the next window.

Then of course, FSG and Rodgers could be coy about how much we really have to spend in January.

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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 29 2012, 11:03 PM)
I Have to admit not all my opinions and posts are valueble. I even find some to be rubbish and i am not here looking for people to acknoledge my presense, to hail or to clap for me nor to entertain me. I feel im fine here and that if you find my posts to be stressing you up. Do click the ignore button. I think it will be a usefull function for you.
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Then why must you play the insult game whenever you comment something? Why must you keep insulting people over here? You hate Liverpool, which is understood. Fine by us. Then go back to your thread and express it there. I think they dont mind and they will support your statement perhaps.

why must you continue pushing and pushing everyone here? What have we all done to you, seriously?

and what it takes for you to stop what you are doing now? What would please you so that you wont continue doing this? tell me. if I can, i will do it for you. All i ask in return is, if you want to continue to be here, then talk nicely to people. it is really not that difficult.

If not, then go back to your thread. As i said again, people there value your opinion better than here. listen to your mate, tehoice. He came here purposely to tell you not to post here anymore.


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starting to like reading all u guys' posts. as much as i hate pool as a mu fan, u guys post wif sense. no nonsense found. am enjoying reading it.
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See. This is the kind of MU fan we welcome and dont mind. Rhice, can you be like this?

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 09:37 PM)
Nice one. It is something we have to keep going. Can you imagine how quiet Anfield would have been in the mid-90's if fans abandoned the team? Thankfully, kopites are a different breed, like fans of West Ham, Newcastle and Man City for example. They are behind the team all the time especially in times of adversity.

Lil Red, it's not about age. It's almost like what subject we used to focus on in school. I personally liked math. In the case of Liverpool, my focus was on history and tradition, hence it's why I chose this club. I really like the fact that we have such strong traditions, some of which are still practiced today. I like that fact that the club places and emphasis on remembering our past and honouring it. After meeting the likes of you and monstar, I'm convinced that it's down to this, and not age because monstar was only 21 when I met him. If you were to ask me to read up something Liverpool, I'd look for stories from seasoned posters in RAWK because having a deep appreciation for them has made me the fan that I am today, for better or for worse. I don't read that much on say tactics because I can honestly say, I don't like the game as much as I do the club. I didn't play much of it growing up and I mostly only watch Liverpool games.
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The NFL, the Rugby World Cup, the Stanley Cup and some other not so widely known sport, is being supported solely by the love of the game. Americans love their American football and Kiwis are proud of their All Blacks. All, unconditional love and passion which I admire.

Perhaps, I'm easily contented or perhaps, I just love the team. I am okay with BR as long as there's stability. I'm okay with us being a mid table team. NOT THRILLED but WON'T BE TOO UPSET by it.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 11:08 PM)
Considering the word through the grapevine is that we won't have much to spend in January, a loan signing looks more likely and Bent is available on loan. Hey I'd like to get Cavani and Huntelaar but I imagine they would be valued anywhere between £20-30 million pounds. Assuming we don't have a lot of money to spend, we don't have that many options and althought I don't rate Bent, he does score goals and he'd be a stop gap solution. We all know the January transfer window is notorious for over inflated prices and maybe we can look for a more permanent solution during the next window.

Then of course, FSG and Rodgers could be coy about how much we really have to spend in January.
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Seems that Adam Morgan is doing well but I am again mystified as to why BR is not giving him a chance. Perhaps him and Suarez upfront for easier games? Gotta give the kid a chance. He works really hard.

And if no money comes, January, taking Caroll back and loaning Joe Cole out would be good. At least we release a player and get a player back to balance the wage.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 11:14 PM)
Seems that Adam Morgan is doing well but I am again mystified as to why BR is not giving him a chance. Perhaps him and Suarez upfront for easier games? Gotta give the kid a chance. He works really hard.
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Adam's movement off the ball are good as seen from previous Europa games..but he cant hold the line alone. that's where Suarez will fit right in imho; given the free role to pull the strings and make space for himself
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 11:14 PM)
Seems that Adam Morgan is doing well but I am again mystified as to why BR is not giving him a chance. Perhaps him and Suarez upfront for easier games? Gotta give the kid a chance. He works really hard.

And if no money comes, January, taking Caroll back and loaning Joe Cole out would be good. At least we release a player and get a player back to balance the wage.
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He was scoring goals for fun a couple of seasons ago eh? I'd like to see him break into the first team as well but in the games he's played during pre-season and Europa, he failed to make much of an impact. Don't know. Maybe he isn't ready to play at the highest level. I mean Stephen Darby was the captain of our reserves and I felt he'd break into the first team ahead if Martin Kelly. He did feature for the first team before Kelly but ultimately wasn't deemed good enough and he's now at Bradford after being loaned out a couple of times. I do hope Morgan is the real deal though.
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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Nov 29 2012, 11:40 PM)
Really i wouldnt bother anymore. There is an easier way out for you which is to click ignore. Dont trouble yourself convincing me.
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ignore? is that even possible when all you do is to keep pushing people like duke, petre, rehdus, me and many others?

It is really mental straining to see you keep pushing people and argue and insult. why must you exist like this? what is your problem? seriously. if i can ignore, i wouldnt have to care. i tried but you kept pushing.

today it's me, then duke, then petre and then it rotates again and again. you just wont stop pushing. if you are not capable of seeing post regarding discussion about liverpool, then why come here? you hate us but yet you want to butt in and make sure you make enough of our day by insulting us. what do you gain by doing this?

dont tell me to ignore because today i stop talking to you, you will annoy others and start a posting war. stop it already. i freaking beg you. leave or talk nicely.


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He was scoring goals for fun a couple of seasons ago eh? I'd like to see him break into the first team as well but in the games he's played during pre-season and Europa, he failed to make much of an impact. Don't know. Maybe he isn't ready to play at the highest level. I mean Stephen Darby was the captain of our reserves and I felt he'd break into the first team ahead if Martin Kelly. He did feature for the first team before Kelly but ultimately wasn't deemed good enough and he's now at Bradford after being loaned out a couple of times. I do hope Morgan is the real deal though.
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true but at least Suarez wont be so isolated upfront. Perhaps putting him in during the last 20 mins. Kid needs to get more experience. sterling wasnt exactly setting the pace for his few games under kenny until this season when BR came in. I guess the kid Morgan just need more games under his belt and develop from there.

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agree with dillon on get carrol back and loan joe cole out if we didnt have enough money to spend on january..
lets say we got another striker this january, where do we put him on the lineup? replace sterling? or put enrique back at left back?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 29 2012, 11:08 PM)
Considering the word through the grapevine is that we won't have much to spend in January, a loan signing looks more likely and Bent is available on loan. Hey I'd like to get Cavani and Huntelaar but I imagine they would be valued anywhere between £20-30 million pounds. Assuming we don't have a lot of money to spend, we don't have that many options and althought I don't rate Bent, he does score goals and he'd be a stop gap solution. We all know the January transfer window is notorious for over inflated prices and maybe we can look for a more permanent solution during the next window.

Then of course, FSG and Rodgers could be coy about how much we really have to spend in January.
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Huntelaar should cost less that that. Hes out of contract in the summer.
He would cost probably around £8 to 12m.
Problem is why should he move to a non CL team?

All these about getting another No.9....will Luis be moved out of that position?
In fact i think BR's system does not require a natural No. 9....if not mistaken this is the case with
Swansea.

IMO i would rather a Luis type of player to compliment him. Afterall we still have Borini to come back.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 30 2012, 08:07 AM)
Huntelaar should cost less that that. Hes out of contract in the summer.
He would cost probably around  £8 to 12m.
Problem is why should he move to a non CL team? 

All these about getting another No.9....will Luis be moved out of that position?
In fact i think BR's system does not require a natural No. 9....if not mistaken this is the case with
Swansea.

IMO i would rather a Luis type of player to compliment him. Afterall we still have Borini to come back.
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Ideally we need an out and out player who can play left, right and middle in attack. I guess this is why BR is looking at Dan Sturridge and Theo Walcott as it is highly unlikely that he will change his 4-3-3 formation.

By signing Cavani or Huntelaar, either them or Suarez will have to drift to the left or right, just like how Borini is playing out of his natural position.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 30 2012, 09:36 AM)
Ideally we need an out and out player who can play left, right and middle in attack. I guess this is why BR is looking at Dan Sturridge and Theo Walcott as it is highly unlikely that he will change his 4-3-3 formation.

By signing Cavani or Huntelaar, either them or Suarez will have to drift to the left or right, just like how Borini is playing out of his natural position.
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Imo Sturridge and Walcott are linked to us as they are pretty decent finishers and both are capable of playing out wide although Sturridge prefers to be in front. With them out wide, we could keep Suarez in his false 9 role which he currently excels in.

I'd like to see Cavani or Huntelaar, even if it's a short term signing for the latter, but let's face it, neither are realistic. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 30 2012, 09:44 AM)
Imo Sturridge and Walcott are linked to us as they are pretty decent finishers and both are capable of playing out wide although Sturridge prefers to be in front. With them out wide, we could keep Suarez in his false 9 role which he currently excels in.

I'd like to see Cavani or Huntelaar, even if it's a short term signing for the latter, but let's face it, neither are realistic. laugh.gif
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If Cavani or Huntelaar come onboard, I guess BR will be pressured to play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 by the fans tongue.gif
This is likely when Cavani or Huntelaar couldnt score.

Between Dan and Theo, I really prefer Theo as he is currently on form and a liverpool supporter but Dan has been vocal about his apparent eagerness in joining us. Whoever on board I hope they will perform well to help Suarez.

But the more pressing issue is, do we have the fund or is the gaffer only looking at loan deals? There is no chance that Chelsea and Arsenal will do a loan deal business.
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I don't think we can expect much from Lucas just coming back from injury. I'll be satisfied to see him get some time on the pitch.

On another note, I see that it is hard for some of us to ignore the troll. But I really think that is the best treatment.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Nov 30 2012, 09:56 AM)
I don't think we can expect much from Lucas just coming back from injury. I'll be satisfied to see him get some time on the pitch.

On another note, I see that it is hard for some of us to ignore the troll. But I really think that is the best treatment.
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He has agreed not to post here for a month. (thank you, Bowl biggrin.gif - really sincere thank you, so dont misunderstand)
So let's just leave it that way while we focus on Liverpool.

BR said he has Lucas studying all the tactics while he was sideline. Perhaps, he's more knowledgable now and can apply theory to play?

Hope that others feel comfortable pushing forward now with a leader at the back controlling the middle of the park.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 30 2012, 09:53 AM)
If Cavani or Huntelaar come onboard, I guess BR will be pressured to play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 by the fans tongue.gif
This is likely when Cavani or Huntelaar couldnt score.

Between Dan and Theo, I really prefer Theo as he is currently on form and a liverpool supporter but Dan has been vocal about his apparent eagerness in joining us. Whoever on board I hope they will perform well to help Suarez.

But the more pressing issue is, do we have the fund or is the gaffer only looking at loan deals? There is no chance that Chelsea and Arsenal will do a loan deal business.
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I don't mind loan deals in January actually, in fact it's probably best for us. As we know, players available in January are scarce (After all, if you're doing well in your club, why would they let you leave?) and by going for a loan deal, we can still choose to sign the player or not after the loan period. smile.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 30 2012, 09:36 AM)
Ideally we need an out and out player who can play left, right and middle in attack. I guess this is why BR is looking at Dan Sturridge and Theo Walcott as it is highly unlikely that he will change his 4-3-3 formation.

By signing Cavani or Huntelaar, either them or Suarez will have to drift to the left or right, just like how Borini is playing out of his natural position.
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Yes..thats the idea in general, not an out and out No.9, but someone who can play as Luis.

Sturridge and Walcott are lesss deceptive as Luis. Point is: are they stop gaps or permanent
fixtures to the 'system'?

Dont realistically see Cavani here...the price will cause heartattcks to the Yanks!

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 30 2012, 10:18 AM)
I don't mind loan deals in January actually, in fact it's probably best for us. As we know, players available in January are scarce (After all, if you're doing well in your club, why would they let you leave?) and by going for a loan deal, we can still choose to sign the player or not after the loan period. smile.gif
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Loan deals are harder to come by I guess unless it's for unproven youngsters. For established seasoners, if they are not doing well by now, I guess the club will always consider the option from clubs that want to buy first than the clubs that want to loan.

Players available for loan are extremely limited, not to mention we got to find the suitable one and fit him in to kiki lala immediately. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 11:52 PM)
ignore? is that even possible when all you do is to keep pushing people like duke, petre, rehdus, me and many others?

It is really mental straining to see you keep pushing people and argue and insult. why must you exist like this? what is your problem? seriously. if i can ignore, i wouldnt have to care. i tried but you kept pushing.
It's beginning to dawn on me that his problem is more serious than I first thought. He may actually truly believe that he is engaging in "banter", and fact that he laughes at his own posts/jokes indicates an inferiority complex. He "LOLs" at his own jokes in hope that someone will laugh along to validate it's authenticity as a joke. In conclusion, I've determined it's futile to reason with a person who has no concept of logic and only hears his own voice.

QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 29 2012, 11:52 PM)
true but at least Suarez wont be so isolated upfront. Perhaps putting him in during the last 20 mins. Kid needs to get more experience. sterling wasnt exactly setting the pace for his few games under kenny until this season when BR came in. I guess the kid Morgan just need more games under his belt and develop from there.
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I suppose but I don't see the kid in training so what do I know? I can only trust that the manager knows what he's doing since he's already given several young lads an opportunity.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 30 2012, 08:07 AM)
Huntelaar should cost less that that. Hes out of contract in the summer.
He would cost probably around  £8 to 12m.
Problem is why should he move to a non CL team? 

All these about getting another No.9....will Luis be moved out of that position?
In fact i think BR's system does not require a natural No. 9....if not mistaken this is the case with
Swansea.

IMO i would rather a Luis type of player to compliment him. Afterall we still have Borini to come back.
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Yeah and he is 29 which means he'll go where the money's good and where he'll stand a better chance at winning medals.

Whoever we get, he's got to score goals. It's what we're missing, a goal poacher. We can sign players who can create more chances, but we need someone to tuck them away other than Suarez. This is why I believe Darren Bent's name is being thrown around. Like most posters, I'm apprehensive but his club career goals to game ratio stands at 2.38, meaning he scores a goal every 2.38 games, not too shabby. This of course pales in comparison so Suarez who in his career, scores a goal every 1.76 games. Daniel Sturridge scores a goal every 3.65 games. Theo Walcott scores a goal every 5.32 games but he isn't an out-and-out striker to be fair. Higher profile players we've been linked to like Edison Cavani scores a goal every 2.15 games, whilst Huntelaar scores a goal every 1.55 games.

The above is of course a very simplistic way of looking at it and I imagine these numbers are weighed against other variables like transfer fees, age, and so on. We cannot forget that John Henry is an advocate of sabermetrics and has number cruches helping him to assess the risks and benefits of signing a particular player. Huntelaar definitely looks like a viable target given he is as you say in the last year of his contract and will be relatively affordable. Cavani will cost a whole lot more and his goals to games average isn't much better than Bent's who is available on loan so it looks unlikely we'll sign him. Unless another name is thrown into the hat it looks like a tossup between Huntelaar and Bent but like you've said, it's highly unlikely the Dutchman will be interested.
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By the way, I heard on the news the other day that there are talks on scrapping the Europa League, in favour of an expanded Champions League. So instead of 32 teams in the group stage, you might have 64 teams.

Imo as far as our club is concerned, it's a good idea as it will make Champions League qualification more accessible and provide greater incentive to clubs who finish top 6. Moreover, the revenue from CL could be better spread to clubs instead of being confined to 3 or 4 clubs in a given league. Group stages will also be tougher and interesting as opponents are more varied.

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 30 2012, 10:55 AM)
By the way, I heard on the news the other day that there are talks on scrapping the Europa League, in favour of an expanded Champions League. So instead of 32 teams in the group stage, you might have 64 teams.

Imo as far as our club is concerned, it's a good idea as it will make Champions League qualification more accessible and provide greater incentive to clubs who finish top 6. Moreover, the revenue from CL could be better spread to clubs instead of being confined to 3 or 4 clubs in a given league. Group stages will also be tougher and interesting as opponents are more varied.

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How many teams play in the Europa League though? Will this mean less teams in Europe? Small teams may suffer if it doesm whilst teams in the middle will thrive because the CPL offers about 10 times more TV revenue than the Europa League, forget about the prize money. Definitely good news for us if implemented. It will however lengthen the competition and put some strain on top clubs who will likely have to use their whole squad over the course of a season. Not that we have a problem with that given that Rodgers has already used some 23 different players.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 30 2012, 10:44 AM)
I suppose but I don't see the kid in training so what do I know? I can only trust that the manager knows what he's doing since he's already given several young lads an opportunity.

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He's a very hardworking lad and one with burning desire above all. So I hope he can really make it although he's been alittle light weight in the matches he came on. Hope that will change soon when he has a few more games under his belt.

Apparently newspapers are making a big "hoo ha" about Sterling not signing the deal yet. Not surprise to see a number of clubs linking to him soon. These are the things I hope we can quickly put to bed and focus on the further development on the pitch. I was reminded of Rick Parry's slow dancing on Stevie's deal in 2005 which annoyed our captain.

Hope that they can do business faster this time.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 30 2012, 11:03 AM)
How many teams play in the Europa League though? Will this mean less teams in Europe? Small teams may suffer if it doesm whilst teams in the middle will thrive because the CPL offers about 10 times more TV revenue than the Europa League, forget about the prize money. Definitely good news for us if implemented. It will however lengthen the competition and put some strain on top clubs who will likely have to use their whole squad over the course of a season. Not that we have a problem with that given that Rodgers has already used some 23 different players.
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32 in group stages for Europa League, I think. Definitely less teams in it if you take into consideration the pre-group stage qualifications. Then again, I have to wonder how many teams actually make winning the Europa League their priority? Who would actually sacrifice their league form to win the competition?

Alternatively, another way of making the Europa League competitive is to allow the winner (probably along with the runner-up) to qualify for Champions League the following season.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 30 2012, 11:12 AM)
32 in group stages for Europa League, I think. Definitely less teams in it if you take into consideration the pre-group stage qualifications. Then again, I have to wonder how many teams actually make winning the Europa League their priority? Who would actually sacrifice their league form to win the competition?

Alternatively, another way of making the Europa League competitive is to allow the winner (probably along with the runner-up) to qualify for Champions League the following season.
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Yup. This has been the idea i was thinking all along. Give the winner and the runner-up a spot in Champions League to make the competition more lively. For now it is only a mickey mouse trophy with not alot of revenue and prize money.

It's just not lucrative enough and teams dont take it seriously until they reach some stage like quarter finals? Once they allow the winner and the runner-up to get a spot in Champions League qualification, even if it's starting from 1st round qualification, clubs will jump at the chance to win.
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What the f*** is this guy doing ? I think he needs to fix his head. Mental problems this boy.
http://twitter.com/dani37pacheco/status/274248273752125441
http://twitter.com/suso30fernandez/status/274251277364506624

Seems like a lunatic guy in the dressing room. laugh.gif
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Our Jose has strike again! laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Daniel Pacheco Verified
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What the f*** is this guy doing ? I think he needs to fix his head. Mental problems this boy.
http://twitter.com/dani37pacheco/status/274248273752125441
http://twitter.com/suso30fernandez/status/274251277364506624

Seems like a lunatic guy in the dressing room. laugh.gif
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Team mates having fun laughing at each other and the newspapers are on it already.
"Suso falls foul of Twitter after team mate jibes." - Daily Mail.


SO SERIOUS MEH? biggrin.gif
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I think Suso has apologized but is it me or people are getting overly sensitive these days? what's wrong with calling your mate gay anyway? So, if Suso called Enrique a 'girl' instead, will the women activists condemn him for it? shakehead.gif
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I think Suso has apologized but is it me or people are getting overly sensitive these days? what's wrong with calling your mate gay anyway? So, if Suso called Enrique a 'girl' instead, will the women activists condemn him for it? shakehead.gif
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In the classic definition, Gay = happy. "This guy is gay" = This guy is happy. biggrin.gif
If only Suso came out with this explanation, the papers and the critics would have to give in biggrin.gif
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Pros and cons of social media. I think that as ambassadors of the club and sport, players do have to shoulder some social responsibility knowing that just about anyone can add them on twitter or follow their FB page. They have to be very careful of what they post or say, it's part of the job. You don't get paid millions for nothing.

What I said earlier was from a social viewpoint of course. Personally, I do feel people are starting to make mountains out of mole hills, with the latest example being the racism debacles.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 30 2012, 12:16 PM)
What I said earlier was from a social viewpoint of course. Personally, I do feel people are starting to make mountains out of mole hills, with the latest example being the racism debacles.
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Racism is a matter of perception. NO I'm not representing any political party.

As a matter of fact, I am one who doesn't view people via their skin colours and I always tell people that my name is my name but I am Malaysian and Malaysian only.

That being said, at times, out of mischief and banter purposes, we as Malaysian tend to make stereotypical jokes.

I call one of my best friends, "Kuantan Melayu" once and he retort back by saying "Melayu Kuantan lah Cinapek"

I even address another close friend of mine by using a pretty offensive way of addressing Indians, that too we banter about it.

Some find it offensive but do we have to?

African Americans address one another by the N word but will throw in a punch if another person with another skin tone uses it.

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In the classic definition, Gay = happy. "This guy is gay" = This guy is happy. biggrin.gif
If only Suso came out with this explanation, the papers and the critics would have to give in biggrin.gif
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Honestly, not everyone would interpret it that way.

I for one, would not condone such act.

Not that I'm not a saint, I do use that word still, but only among friends.

Social media can show many things such as your personality, your attitude, your ideas, etc.

The boy is still young, so perhaps a lesson learnt. smile.gif


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I made the same point earlier about how black people can call themselves the "N" word but get upset when other's use it. If you don't want people to use it, then stop using is yourself la.

In the context of football, I think it's worse that the "Kick It Out" campaign highlights every little single infringement that has the slightest racist connotation tied to it. This prompts everyone who reads the papers and watches the TV to be more sensitive to the issue. If you make a big deal out of something, someone else will. Now it's good to highlight the plight of black footballers who receive racise abuse in the form of monkey chants and being thrown banana peels for example, but just punish the offenders instead of letting the whole issue drag on in the media. The more people read about it, the more they get riled up and angry. Come to think about it, I think the media is accountable. Won't be the first time.
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Racist issue has happened for many centuries. Ain't gonna be solved anytime soon, especially not with a "kick it out" campaign.

It's built within the human system. My 9 year-old nephew, who has been taught by Christian community to treat everyone as equal, often openly confessed he dislikes the Darker Skin people. Nobody in the family has taught him to be racist but he developed it naturally.

It will take a lot of effort from my sister now to ensure he's not going to be a serial racist.

Point is, it's within the human system. We are all bias whether we like it or not.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 30 2012, 01:20 PM)
Racist issue has happened for many centuries. Ain't gonna be solved anytime soon, especially not with a "kick it out" campaign.

It's built within the human system. My 9 year-old nephew, who has been taught by Christian community to treat everyone as equal, often openly confessed he dislikes the Darker Skin people. Nobody in the family has taught him to be racist but he developed it naturally.

It will take a lot of effort from my sister now to ensure he's not going to be a serial racist.

Point is, it's within the human system. We are all bias whether we like it or not.
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To me, that's ignorance and preference smile.gif Not so much on racism. Then again, the superiority feeling he possessed for having lighter skin colour could very well be a racism display sad.gif
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Nov 30 2012, 01:31 PM)
To me, that's ignorance and preference smile.gif Not so much on racism. Then again, the superiority feeling he possessed for having lighter skin colour could very well be a racism display sad.gif
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Ultimately it is hard to change people's perception when they have fixated on something, especially hatred. Sigh...
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 30 2012, 01:20 PM)
Racist issue has happened for many centuries. Ain't gonna be solved anytime soon, especially not with a "kick it out" campaign.

It's built within the human system. My 9 year-old nephew, who has been taught by Christian community to treat everyone as equal, often openly confessed he dislikes the Darker Skin people. Nobody in the family has taught him to be racist but he developed it naturally.

It will take a lot of effort from my sister now to ensure he's not going to be a serial racist.

Point is, it's within the human system. We are all bias whether we like it or not.
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Unconscious stereotyping is part of human nature, but not racism. I reckon your nephew must have pick it up either from school or even his family, unconsciously. Sometimes our daily actions convey an underlying emotion and children are very good at picking that up. For example, as children many Chinese parents would tell their children to behave or else they would be sent to a bangkali. Despite having the right intention and the comment is essentially harmless, children would develop a negative association towards benggali.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with unconscious stereotyping/racism (For example, when you're walking alone at night and come across a group of dark-skinned foreigners, you will be a lot more cautious about the situation. Nothing wrong with that as it's part of our survival instinct.) but what we have to fight against is conscious racism. Things like open discrimination against minority groups or allowing decisions/actions to be clouded by discrimination etc should be curbed from our society.

Just my humble 2c worth, I stand corrected on the points above.
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DOnt you guys think our football is pretty much predictable.We dont do long pass and most of the time the players will pass the ball to Allen. I have seen several times Allen loses the ball and nearly cost us a goal . Allen need some rest time starting from now. With Lucas back to the squad I expect Sahin/Allen to pair up with him . Let Stevie do the killer pass job up front and not Sahin.



look at Barca 1st goal . Start from midfield with Xavi delivering killer pass to Pedro to do the execution. Of coz I am not saying Barcelona = Liverpool but I rate stevie's vision and pass are on par with xavi.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 30 2012, 02:36 PM)
Unconscious stereotyping is part of human nature, but not racism. I reckon your nephew must have pick it up either from school or even his family, unconsciously. Sometimes our daily actions convey an underlying emotion and children are very good at picking that up. For example, as children many Chinese parents would tell their children to behave or else they would be sent to a bangkali. Despite having the right intention and the comment is essentially harmless, children would develop a negative association towards benggali.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with unconscious stereotyping/racism (For example, when you're walking alone at night and come across a group of dark-skinned foreigners, you will be a lot more cautious about the situation. Nothing wrong with that as it's part of our survival instinct.) but what we have to fight against is conscious racism. Things like open discrimination against minority groups or allowing decisions/actions to be clouded by discrimination etc should be curbed from our society.

Just my humble 2c worth, I stand corrected on the points above.
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I understand what you're trying to say, but pardon me for saying that this is the exact reason why racism is so prevalent today. Chinese parents may say that, but growing up as an Indian nobody has ever told me they'd send me to a Benggali or a butcher or a tiger, they just caned the hell out of me. To be honest racism and sensitivity towards racism I feel is something that starts at home. In your second case as well, I don't know if dark skinned foreigners come off as being any more scary than a group of light skinned Malaysians, but sometimes unconscious racism does give rise to conscious racism.


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QUOTE(reehdus @ Nov 30 2012, 03:25 PM)
I understand what you're trying to say, but pardon me for saying that this is the exact reason why racism is so prevalent today. Chinese parents may say that, but growing up as an Indian nobody has ever told me they'd send me to a Benggali or a butcher or a tiger, they just caned the hell out of me. To be honest racism and sensitivity towards racism I feel is something that starts at home. In your second case as well, I don't know if dark skinned foreigners come off as being any more scary than a group of light skinned Malaysians, but sometimes unconscious racism does give rise to conscious racism.
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Sorry, I think I wasn't clear about my first point. What I meant was his nephew showed signs of conscious racism, and that habit must have been picked up from his surroundings. So with the Benggali example, even though our intention is harmless, the effect on the child may not be, thus we as adults must be wary of the implications of our actions. So yes, you're right that racial sensitivity starts from home.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 30 2012, 04:03 PM)
Sorry, I think I wasn't clear about my first point. What I meant was his nephew showed signs of conscious racism, and  that habit must have been picked up from his surroundings. So with the Benggali example, even though our intention is harmless, the effect on the child may not be, thus we as adults must be wary of the implications of our actions. So yes, you're right that racial sensitivity starts from home.
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No worries, not just here in Malaysia la, but I feel all over the world; the EPL included, the local (English, European?) attitude towards racism is very hypocritical. I feel that the tendency to be perceived as a civilized society leads to over emphasis on political correctness and takes attention away from the actual game.
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QUOTE(reehdus @ Nov 30 2012, 04:24 PM)
No worries, not just here in Malaysia la, but I feel all over the world; the EPL included, the local (English, European?) attitude towards racism is very hypocritical. I feel that the tendency to be perceived as a civilized society leads to over emphasis on political correctness and takes attention away from the actual game.
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Bro, I feel that there are many categories of hatreds / dislikes in this world. I once simplify with my professor and the following outcome was determined:


1st level, you are Indian, I am chinese - we gotta be separated
2nd level, you are chinese and I am chinese - you are MU supporter, I am liverpool supporter - we gotta be separated
3rd level, you are chinese, i am chinese, we both support Liverpool but I support DAP and you support MCA - we gotta be separated
4th level, you are chinese, i am chinese, we both support Liverpool and DAP, but I am poor and you are rich - we gotta be separated

There can be a lot more combinations but these are the well known ones.

So finally, we are all left alone facing the 4 corners of the wall.

End of the day, it's just sickening especially Level 2 since we are in football thread.

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I made the same point earlier about how black people can call themselves the "N" word but get upset when other's use it. If you don't want people to use it, then stop using is yourself la.
black ppl only get upset if other ppl not amongst their group use it.
i had quite a few black friends while in the states, they didnt care if i used the N word.


Added on November 30, 2012, 6:42 pmbtw, i get a feeling the sports psychiatrist that was recently hired was not for the team...afterall teams need psychologists.
rather i feel the psychiatrist was hired specially for BR tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 30 2012, 06:40 PM)
black ppl only get upset if other ppl not amongst their group use it.
i had quite a few black friends while in the states, they didnt care if i used the N word.


Added on November 30, 2012, 6:42 pmbtw, i get a feeling the sports psychiatrist that was recently hired was not for the team...afterall teams need psychologists.
rather i feel the psychiatrist was hired specially for BR tongue.gif
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LOL. You really desire to give BR a piece of your mind tongue.gif
I can understand. The main website got so many loyal supporters all shouting at BR with unhappy comments.
His selection policy really begs question lately hence many unhappy voices heard in the site.
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i wish BR would apply for the post of manager of northern ireland...
woy got it right by applying for england biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 30 2012, 08:09 PM)
i wish BR would apply for the post of manager of northern ireland...
woy got it right by applying for england biggrin.gif
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Then who manage Liverpool la? Me and you? tongue.gif
I dont mind dropping my resume to JH. I am 7 times 2006 Football Manager champion tongue.gif

*with cheat code on

Haha

Seriously, i find that Football Manager's Scouting is quite reliable. Maybe BR wants to check it out? brows.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Nov 30 2012, 08:18 PM)
Then who manage Liverpool la? Me and you? tongue.gif
I dont mind dropping my resume to JH. I am 7 times 2006 Football Manager champion tongue.gif

*with cheat code on

Haha

Seriously, i find that Football Manager's Scouting is quite reliable. Maybe BR wants to check it out?  brows.gif
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no.23 will manage LFC tongue.gif
our 2nd player manager...and see if history repeats itself whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 30 2012, 08:20 PM)
no.23 will manage LFC tongue.gif
our 2nd player manager...and see if history repeats itself  whistling.gif
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Roy Evans once said that a team of Carraghers would be so boring. tongue.gif
Perhaps a team managed by Carragher would be equally boring? yawn.gif
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Roy Evans once said that a team of Carraghers would be so boring. tongue.gif
Perhaps a team managed by Carragher would be equally boring?  yawn.gif
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a team of roy evans would be disastrous.
but roy evans did pretty decent right.
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Was reading Bruce's interview again and I find this interesting

There was another memorable Goodison occasion when you grabbed Steve McManaman by the throat after he’d made a hash of a clearance, leading straight to a Mark Ward goal for Everton...

I was actually after the person who turned his back on the ball [Mark Walters] and I realised that, if I did something, then people would say I was racist. So I turned to Steve McManaman, who’s the same colour as me, and I shouted, “Put it away, not back into play!” And that was that. So I found Mark in the bath after the game and I took his hair and put it under the bath water and I sat on his head. That’s the person that I was after in the first place.

It was Steve that flapped at it though, wasn’t it?

He just swung his left foot at the near post and it looped over for Ward to come and hit a half-volley, and the nearest person to Ward was Mr Handbag, Mark Walters, who turned and showed Mark Ward his number. He turned his back – “ooh, I don’t want to get hurt”.



LMFAO! Bruce is such a fiery character. I cannot imagine if he grabs my hair and put it in the water and sat on my head. biggrin.gif

What about Bruce as the next manager if BR dont make it? I'm sure he will kick Downing's bottom and put his head inside the toilet bowl and flush. tongue.gif

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I'm kinda getting a bad feeling that BR will screw up over Sterling's contract issue. Maybe Sterling is still pissed at BR for tongue lashing him in training.
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just now on star sports i saw robbie fowler wearing a warrior windbreaker.
so...LFC? kelantan? biggrin.gif

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I'm kinda getting a bad feeling that BR will screw up over Sterling's contract issue. Maybe Sterling is still pissed at BR for tongue lashing him in training.
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Dont worry, bro. BR said he is 100% sure Sterling will sign the contract.

Perhaps Sterling is still practicing his signature tongue.gif
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Dont worry, bro. BR said he is 100% sure Sterling will sign the contract.

Perhaps Sterling is still practicing his signature tongue.gif
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he didnt say which contract biggrin.gif
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see...that is a trick statement.
he didnt say which contract biggrin.gif
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LOL. Cannot be for AV contract right? That would be awkward. Him and Maria Ozawa. biggrin.gif Plus he's underage.
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hes gonna sign a contract to be a whiskey ambassador.
so everytime u drink, u'll have a little bit of raheem in you.
hmm, that didnt sound right biggrin.gif
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NO! LOL.


Torres given warning.
http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership...tum-to-spaniard?

Why we didnt issue the same warning to Downing and Joe Cole? If they continue to be lousy, we will send them to Kelantan FC. tongue.gif
Let them play football on dirt when it's raining and the mud smack on their faces. biggrin.gif
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Rafa secretly wants to sell him back to us.
then when Rafa and BR both get sacked at the end of the season...Rafa will have his fav son under him again biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 30 2012, 09:48 PM)
Rafa secretly wants to sell him back to us.
then when Rafa and BR both get sacked at the end of the season...Rafa will have his fav son under him again biggrin.gif
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If he comes back, Suarez will have to play behind him or drift to the left or right?
BR will offer Chelsea $5million. That's a 90% lost for Chelsea tongue.gif
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If he comes back, Suarez will have to play behind him or drift to the left or right?
BR will offer Chelsea $5million. That's a 90% lost for Chelsea tongue.gif
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If he comes back, Suarez will have to play behind him or drift to the left or right?
BR will offer Chelsea $5million. That's a 90% lost for Chelsea tongue.gif
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If Benitez can't get Torres to score, no one can. Perhaps then it should be Torres who comes to play for Kelantan. If he can't score in the Super League, then he should just retire.. biggrin.gif laugh.gif

Local league wise, Johor very strong next season. Daniel Guiza, Simone Del Nero the foreigners, Mat Yo, Aidil, Safiq all joined.. Extra funds from Legoland revenue? laugh.gif But at least it's more attractive now with some good foreign players. If Fowler plays here too, i will pay attention to the local league again..haha
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notice i said 'under him' biggrin.gif
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Yanks wont hire Rafa back la. It's not possible.
I can tell you honestly I joined SOS and others to write a page long email to Mr Henry to tell him to hire Rafa back.

I even made the point of how close we came to the title in 2009 and with the funds they offer Kenny and Commoli, Rafa could have gotten us back to champions league spot easily

I think JH did the pretty decent thing to me. He did "X" in the email box. hhehehehehe biggrin.gif


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If Benitez can't get Torres to score, no one can. Perhaps then it should be Torres who comes to play for Kelantan. If he can't score in the Super League, then he should just retire.. biggrin.gif  laugh.gif

Local league wise, Johor very strong next season. Daniel Guiza, Simone Del Nero the foreigners, Mat Yo, Aidil, Safiq all joined.. Extra funds from Legoland revenue?  laugh.gif But at least it's more attractive now with some good foreign players. If Fowler plays here too, i will pay attention to the local league again..haha
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Cant Torres comes to selangor instead? hehe

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If Rafa wants Torres to score again, he will need Gerrard. Nuff said.
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If Rafa wants Torres to score again, he will need Gerrard. Nuff said.
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Alamak, I support Selangor though. tongue.gif
Cant Torres comes to selangor instead? hehe
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Can we still sell Gerrard to Chelsea for $35million? tongue.gif
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Guess what's the line up vs Southampton tomorrow

Reina; Johnson, Agger, Skrtel; Downing; Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Sterling, Enrique; Suarez. (prediction given by GMF)

Sigh... Mr. Down Down again. If only I can tell Bruce to give Downing a piece of my mind. tongue.gif
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Wisdom is back isn't it? Don't think Downing will play
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Wisdom is back isn't it? Don't think Downing will play
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Grobbelaar was eccentric but he was also embroiled in a corruption scandal involving Hans Segers and John Fashanu.

On a more positive note, he was in a bar in his native Zimbabwe watching the 2005 final when a group of "Liverpool supporters", turned their backs on the team and started criticising them the moment we went 3-0 down. When we came back, they started to cheer again. Brucie promptly told them to shut up and that they weren't proper Liverpool fans. Fiery bloke indeed. I can't find the source of this story anymore but read it when it happened 7 years ago.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 1 2012, 09:22 AM)
Grobbelaar was eccentric but he was also embroiled in a corruption scandal involving Hans Segers and John Fashanu.

On a more positive note, he was in a bar in his native Zimbabwe watching the 2005 final when a group of "Liverpool supporters", turned their backs on the team and started criticising them the moment we went 3-0 down. When we came back, they started to cheer again. Brucie promptly told them to shut up and that they weren't proper Liverpool fans. Fiery bloke indeed. I can't find the source of this story anymore but read it when it happened 7 years ago.
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I don't see how is that positive, when he started lashing out on other fellow fans for what, not showing the same level of support throughpout 90 mins? If team were in 0-3 down, let's face it there will be surely criticism all over the air. Seems like a normal fan reaction to me. Lowyat folks does it all the time. It's a bit overboard to go as far as implying them as fake fans or not loyal to the club?

Is there a such a need to be SO hardcore that one vents his fury on others for not supporting the team the way he does?

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Dec 1 2012, 09:43 AM)
I don't see how is that positive, when he started lashing out on other fellow fans for what, not showing the same level of support throughpout 90 mins? If team were in 0-3 down, let's face it there will be surely criticism all over the air. Seems like a normal fan reaction to me. Lowyat folks does it all the time. It's a bit overboard to go as far as implying them as fake fans or not loyal to the club?

Is there a such a need to be SO hardcore that one vents his fury on others for not supporting the team the way he does?
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I think to be fair, everyone has a different way of loving the club. My dad is also a moaner. He can criticize the team for the most simplest thing that went wrong on the field.

He love Liverpool all his life since the Shanks era in division 2 so he cannot be categorised as not a true fan.

It's just that everyone has a different perception but all the same fiery passion for the club.

I have been very vocal in slamming those fans that tell the unhappy guys to support other teams rather than complaining in the main site. Fans have the right to feel unhappy. Cant simply just tell them to stop supporting Liverpool. It is not fair.
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Well I may not have gotten the story 100% right. They could have been jeering the team but the point I was trying to make is that he is still passionate about the club. Personally I was too distraught to say anything when we went 3-0 down.

I think it's safe to say different fans show passions in different ways so there is really no right or wrong. I personally try my best to emulate those seated at the Kop who are constantly behind the team during the game. I know the team can't hear me since I'm nowhere near the stadium but I still think it's counterproductive to criticise them during the game. That should be saved for after. My personal opinion.


Added on December 1, 2012, 9:56 amIf Istanbul proved anything it was that fan power can go some ways. I've read stories about a few fans leaving the stadium at half-time but the vast majority stayed and sang YNWA at half-time. In the end everyone was a fan, enough of a fan to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Istanbul but why did some leave and others stay at half-time?

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 1 2012, 09:52 AM)
Well I may not have gotten the story 100% right. They could have been jeering the team but the point I was trying to make is that he is still passionate about the club. Personally I was too distraught to say anything when we went 3-0 down.

I think it's safe to say different fans show passions in different ways so there is really no right or wrong. I personally try my best to emulate those seated at the Kop who are constantly behind the team during the game. I know the team can't hear me since I'm nowhere near the stadium but I still think it's counterproductive to criticise them during the game. That should be saved for after. My personal opinion.


Added on December 1, 2012, 9:56 amIf Istanbul proved anything it was that fan power can go some ways. I've read stories about a few fans leaving the stadium at half-time but the vast majority stayed and sang YNWA at half-time. In the end everyone was a fan, enough of a fan to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Istanbul but why did some leave and others stay at half-time?
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Serious? I wouldnt leave even if the team is 5-0 down. Paid so much money for the ticket + travel and leave at half time? doh.gif

I think I suffered less in 2005 because I only get to watch after the score was 3-3. When it goes to extra time and penalty, I turned off the TV and pretended to sleep for a while. Dont wanna jinx the team.

When i switched it on again, they were interviewing Dudek. I knew in my mind, TV rarely interview the loser. So we gotta be the winner! I jumped and wake dad up who refuse to believe that we won because he had been watching the game till half time when we were 3-0 down then switched off the tv in frustration. LOL biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 09:52 AM)
I think to be fair, everyone has a different way of loving the club. My dad is also a moaner. He can criticize the team for the most simplest thing that went wrong on the field.

He love Liverpool all his life since the Shanks era in division 2 so he cannot be categorised as not a true fan.

It's just that everyone has a different perception but all the same fiery passion for the club.

I have been very vocal in slamming those fans that tell the unhappy guys to support other teams rather than complaining in the main site. Fans have the right to feel unhappy. Cant simply just tell them to stop supporting Liverpool. It is not fair.
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Indeed fans are entitled to criticise the team and offer opinions on what went wrong and what can be done differently. However no one likes a serial moaner. Forget about football. Say you had two friends. One who is an optimist and another who isn't happy about anything. I'd bet my last dollar that people would rather hang around the first bloke.

My opinion with our current situation is that it's too soon to be overly critical especially since the owners and manager have asked us to be patient. They are working hard, that much is evident. Now, I don't get behind something for the sake of it. I get behind something when there is a clear vision and direction. A couple of years ago, I had a big argument with several posters here because I had begun to the critical of Rafa but this was during his last two seasons with us. I'm far from being a blind optimist. I don't hate Rafa, I just thought it was time to part company and fans were singing his praises without justification.

Today, I try not to look into every game. I try to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. I don't deny we're in a poor position now but I believe in what Rodgers and the owners are saying. They make sense to me and for that, I'm willing to be patient and give them the time they've asked for.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 10:06 AM)
Serious? I wouldnt leave even if the team is 5-0 down. Paid so much money for the ticket + travel and leave at half time? doh.gif

I think I suffered less in 2005 because I only get to watch after the score was 3-3. When it goes to extra time and penalty, I turned off the TV and pretended to sleep for a while. Dont wanna jinx the team.

When i switched it on again, they were interviewing Dudek. I knew in my mind, TV rarely interview the loser. So we gotta be the winner! I jumped and wake dad up who refuse to believe that we won because he had been watching the game till half time when we were 3-0 down then switched off the tv in frustration. LOL biggrin.gif
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Did you tell your dad to shut up and told him off he's not proper Liverpool fan like Grobellarr? LMFAO....

Bet your ass you need to hand back your car keys if you have done that....hahah
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 10:06 AM)
Serious? I wouldnt leave even if the team is 5-0 down. Paid so much money for the ticket + travel and leave at half time? doh.gif

I think I suffered less in 2005 because I only get to watch after the score was 3-3. When it goes to extra time and penalty, I turned off the TV and pretended to sleep for a while. Dont wanna jinx the team.

When i switched it on again, they were interviewing Dudek. I knew in my mind, TV rarely interview the loser. So we gotta be the winner! I jumped and wake dad up who refuse to believe that we won because he had been watching the game till half time when we were 3-0 down then switched off the tv in frustration. LOL biggrin.gif
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Like you I always watch the game till the end half expecting a miracle to happen when we're behind. I can only imagine how the players feel when fans start streaming out the stadium when they're losing. Sure I'm not in the stadium and the lads can't see me but its the principle that matters. I mean when you throw a piece of paper into the recycle bin, you don't do it for everyone to see. It's your own conscience that you have to deal with.

Yes, sadly a handful of fans left at half time and were shocked to see that the team had come back when they reached the city. I was organising a viewing party for Carlsberg during the game and there was absolute silence from the 2000 strong crowd at half time but no one left. In the end, we ended up drinking, hugging strangers and dancing in the streets until 630 am. It was a blast. Cars were blaring their horns and fans were running about everywhere. Of all the viewing parties I have organised over a 3 year span, I've never seen one as awesome as the one in 2005.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 1 2012, 10:13 AM)
Indeed fans are entitled to criticise the team and offer opinions on what went wrong and what can be done differently. However no one likes a serial moaner. Forget about football. Say you had two friends. One who is an optimist and another who isn't happy about anything. I'd bet my last dollar that people would rather hang around the first bloke.

My opinion with our current situation is that it's too soon to be overly critical especially since the owners and manager have asked us to be patient. They are working hard, that much is evident. Now, I don't get behind something for the sake of it. I get behind something when there is a clear vision and direction. A couple of years ago, I had a big argument with several posters here because I had begun to the critical of Rafa but this was during his last two seasons with us. I'm far from being a blind optimist. I don't hate Rafa, I just thought it was time to part company and fans were singing his praises without justification.

Today, I try not to look into every game. I try to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. I don't deny we're in a poor position now but I believe in what Rodgers and the owners are saying. They make sense to me and for that, I'm willing to be patient and give them the time they've asked for.
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The thing is, every fans have a different way of venting their frustrations. The most common ones that we have seen obviously is moaning through LY forum, LFC official website, facebook and twitter.

The less common one which I have seen with my eyes open wide, I mean really wide was my friend who throws the beer bottle to the floor and kick the rubbish bin. biggrin.gif

It's true the pessimists drag your mood down along unnecessarily but I question myself as to what made them so angry and frustrated in the first place?

It's because they love Liverpool so much, they lost control of themselves. That's why.


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Did you tell your dad to shut up and told him off he's not proper Liverpool fan like Grobellarr? LMFAO....

Bet your ass you need to hand back your car keys if you have done that....hahah
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Are you serious? It's not just losing the car or anything, he would shove my head into the toilet bowl and flush with the amount of anger he was having that time. LOL

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He love Liverpool all his life since the Shanks era in division 2 so he cannot be categorised as not a true fan.
i've always wondered about this.
back then, was there even any football shown on local tv?
or did he go study in liverpool? which back then also would be highly unlikely.

not saying hes not a fan, but im wondering how ppl who say they were fans from back then became fans.
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In this case, it was more productive that the fans were still behind the team.

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i've always wondered about this.
back then, was there even any football shown on local tv?
or did he go study in liverpool? which back then also would be highly unlikely.

not saying hes not a fan, but im wondering how ppl who say they were fans from back then became fans.
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Yup. No live game normally but got this stupid football show, something like English League Highlights which feature the weekly games and results.

The live games are mostly cup competitions and most of them are semi finals and finals. Liverpool reached quite a number of finals hence always get to be on tv.

And they are sponsored by Dunhill - Gaya, Mutu, Keunggulan. LOL
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 10:21 AM)
The thing is, every fans have a different way of venting their frustrations. The most common ones that we have seen obviously is moaning through LY forum, LFC official website, facebook and twitter.

The less common one which I have seen with my eyes open wide, I mean really wide was my friend who throws the beer bottle to the floor and kick the rubbish bin. biggrin.gif

It's true the pessimists drag your mood down along unnecessarily but I question myself as to what made them so angry and frustrated in the first place?

It's because they love Liverpool so much, they lost control of themselves. That's why.
Venting is normal. I can tell ya I'm not a good loser either but I try to suck it up and practice anger management techniques. During the game however, I'm just saying it serves the team better if fans continue to sing and support them. Save the criticism for later in like you say, forums or social media. It's tough and may not be the most natural thing to do especially if you're seething with anger and have a lot of frustration pent up but ask yourself what's best for the team?

Having said that, listening to someone moan all the time does get tiring especially when effort is being out in by the players, management or owners. We can at least show appreciation for that. I personally don't have anything against criticism so long as it is constructive. We are largely, a society that likes to complain. We whine about politics, our pay, our jobs, and our football. Complaining alone gets us nowhere though unless we back it up with action. I don't like the LSCM for example, so along with some other lads, we started MyRAWK. I believe in a fair and just elections so I showed by support during BERSIH. in the context of being a Liverpool fan, we can only do our part to support the team by purchasing original merchandise, watching them play on telly and offering opinions on what can be done better or different like we do now.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 10:29 AM)
Yup. No live game normally but got this stupid football show, something like English League Highlights which feature the weekly games and results.

The live games are mostly cup competitions and most of them are semi finals and finals. Liverpool reached quite a number of finals hence always get to be on tv.

And they are sponsored by Dunhill - Gaya, Mutu, Keunggulan. LOL
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yea those shows i remember, but in the 80s.
and seriously? in the late 50s when LFC were in 2nd div...malaysia got tv broadcasts?
cos malaysian tv only started broadcasting in 1963.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 10:29 AM)
Yup. No live game normally but got this stupid football show, something like English League Highlights which feature the weekly games and results.

The live games are mostly cup competitions and most of them are semi finals and finals. Liverpool reached quite a number of finals hence always get to be on tv.

And they are sponsored by Dunhill - Gaya, Mutu, Keunggulan. LOL
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I remember those days. The highlights programme was outdated. I had to get my scores from buying SHOOT or MATCH magazines. At the back, they gave you a synopsis of every game that was played in every division as well as player ratings. It's how I got to familiarise myself with the many names.

I kept hearing the name John Barnes and he became my favourite Liverpool player. I'd always look for his name and match rating whenever I bought a mag.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 1 2012, 10:35 AM)
Venting is normal. I can tell ya I'm not a good loser either but I try to suck it up and practice anger management techniques. During the game however, I'm just saying it serves the team better if fans continue to sing and support them. Save the criticism for later in like you say, forums or social media. It's tough and may not be the most natural thing to do especially if you're seething with anger and have a lot of frustration pent up but ask yourself what's best for the team?

Having said that, listening to someone moan all the time does get tiring especially when effort is being out in by the players, management or owners. We can at least show appreciation for that. I personally don't have anything against criticism so long as it is constructive. We are largely, a society that likes to complain. We whine about politics, our pay, our jobs, and our football. Complaining alone gets us nowhere though unless we back it up with action. I don't like the LSCM for example, so along with some other lads, we started MyRAWK. I believe in a fair and just elections so I showed by support during BERSIH. in the context of being a Liverpool fan, we can only do our part to support the team by purchasing original merchandise, watching them play on telly and offering opinions on what can be done better or different like we do now.
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It's true, that sometimes those guys can let your faulty mood goes even a step further down by what they do. Not saying that it is right but I understand why they did it.

It's crazy but love is still there. The crazy fans that I know never stop loving Liverpool. Over the years they complain less only because some claimed their heart died hence words cannot describe it anymore. LOL. That is too serious.

Anyway, formation for tonight, Duke?


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 1 2012, 10:37 AM)
yea those shows i remember, but in the 80s.
and seriously? in the late 50s when LFC were in 2nd div...malaysia got tv broadcasts?
cos malaysian tv only started broadcasting in 1963.
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Uh? I think they started showing football in 70s. Dad also always go to stadium and watch Soh Chin Aun and Malaysia playing.

He's an enthusiast reader who buys alot of football magazine, newspapers, etc. Whatever concerning liverpool, he'll buy. so I guess in the 60's he was counting on those. no idea lah. gotta ask him when i am back in Malaysia. biggrin.gif

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myrawk is on its last legs, just like BR biggrin.gif
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You started MYRAWK? I wanna join! biggrin.gif
It's true, that sometimes those guys can let your faulty goes even a step further down by what they do. Not saying that it is right but I understand why they did it.

It's crazy but love is still there. The crazy fans that I know never stop loving Liverpool. Over the years they complain less only because some claimed their heart died hence words cannot describe it anymore. LOL. That is too serious.
Yeah we did but it's died down significantly now as no one has the time anymore. We were actually inspired by Singapore's East of Anfield Supporters Club who like us didn't agree with how the official club was being run. We basically sat down over beers one night and decided to form our own community and organising our own match viewings. We used to have about 300 people attend the big games, which included the 2007 final in Athens. As European finals go it aired at 3 am here and we had to look for a venue willing to open for us. Fortunately we found a place and decked it up with banners, framed pictures and flags. Most were from our own personal collection whilst others we printed or bought. We then had to organised for projector screens and of course a projector. It wasn't uncommon for us to have to fork out our own cash. We would also prepare door gifts for everyone and have our own emcee. We would secure prize sponsors like Chanel for lucky draw sessions. We approached online sports sites to promote us and it was a great time. Our then president, Jonno who still posts here occasionally was even interviewed and featured on Liverpool's official site. Great honour. It was a lot of fun working with the lads, setting up for games and meeting with sponsors but sadly, we're too busy with our own careers now. I only wish the LSCM did more for the fans but it is what it is. In the end, I opted to become an official member and applied online. Got my membership card, token pen and everything.

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Anyway, formation for tonight, Duke?
Unfortunately I don't know anything about Southampton having never seen them okay this season so I wouldn't be able to offer anything productive. With Downing out of sorts however I do imagine that Wisdom will return to rightback and Johnson shifted to the left with Enrique ahead of him. I'm also hoping that Jonjo starts ahead of Henderson but we just might see a midfield trio of Gerrard, Allen and Lucas though I think the latter will start from the bench.

QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 10:59 AM)
He's an enthusiast reader who buys alot of football magazine, newspapers, etc. Whatever concerning liverpool, he'll buy. so I guess in the 60's he was counting on those. no idea lah. gotta ask him when i am back in Malaysia. biggrin.gif
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Wow reminds me of my younger days.

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southampton have a pretty leaky defence, but they can also score goals as is evident by their top scorer with 6 goal, and 5 others also chipping in with 2 each.
needless to say, they've scored more goals than LFC.

so whoever is playing on the right would have to work really well with Allen, cos it'll be surprising if Lucas does start, to try and contain their captain Lallana.
btw, he was one of the guys who was on kenny's radar back then.

only consolation is that southampton have an amazingly bad away record, tho LFC's home record isnt great either.


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Forgive me for reminiscing. Here are a couple of banner we printed, one of which was to honour the 96. As you can see, our events consisted of a good mix of girls, dudes of all races. It was a blast and we would always be filled with such pride seeing fans having a good time at our events, singing, cheering and drinking of course!

I really miss those days. We would all meet the night before a big game to deck the place out with memorabilia. Alas, we don't get paid and need to focus on our 9-5s.


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Yeah we did but it's died down significantly now as no one has the time anymore. We were actually inspired by Singapore's East of Anfield Supporters Club who like us didn't agree with how the official club was being run. We basically sat down over beers one night and decided to form our own community and organising our own match viewings. We used to have about 300 people attend the big games, which included the 2007 final in Athens. As European finals go it aired at 3 am here and we had to look for a venue willing to open for us. Fortunately we found a place and decked it up with banners, framed pictures and flags. Most were from our own personal collection whilst others we printed or bought. We then had to organised for projector screens and of course a projector. It wasn't uncommon for us to have to fork out our own cash. We would also prepare door gifts for everyone and have our own emcee. We would secure prize sponsors like Chanel for lucky draw sessions. We approached online sports sites to promote us and it was a great time. Our then president, Jonno who still posts here occasionally was even interviewed and featured on Liverpool's official site. Great honour. It was a lot of fun working with the lads, setting up for games and meeting with sponsors but sadly, we're too busy with our own careers now. I only wish the LSCM did more for the fans but it is what it is. In the end, I opted to become an official member and applied online. Got my membership card, token pen and everything.
Unfortunately I don't know anything about Southampton having never seen them okay this season so I wouldn't be able to offer anything productive. With Downing out of sorts however I do imagine that Wisdom will return to rightback and Johnson shifted to the left with Enrique ahead of him. I'm also hoping that Jonjo starts ahead of Henderson but we just might see a midfield trio of Gerrard, Allen and Lucas though I think the latter will start from the bench.
Wow reminds me of my younger days.
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Ah...I came in too late or else I can contribute on Social Media. But then back in 2007, I was a social media dummy.

It's sad to see such illustrious fan club dying down. MyRawk can still exist via live streaming of Liverpool games perhaps? MyRawk TV smile.gif

Or maybe hosting videos of all liverpool games even though it's not live so that people can still watch the older games. Just a thought.

On the formation, I support Johnson-Enrique partnership on the left. For some reasons, they seemed to drive the team forward better.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 11:30 AM)

Or maybe hosting videos of all liverpool games even though it's not live so that people can still watch the older games. Just a thought.
hosting videos of games breaches the PL copyright.

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Yeah these days no effort is put into gatherings so a few of us just meet up for games la.

Anyway, I managed to dig up Jono's interview. He was featured in the "Reds Around the World" segment.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-new...-world-malaysia
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southampton have a pretty leaky defence, but they can also score goals as is evident by their top scorer with 6 goal, and 5 others also chipping in with 2 each.
needless to say, they've scored more goals than  LFC.

so whoever is playing on the right would have to work really well with Allen, cos it'll be surprising if Lucas does start, to try and contain their captain Lallana.
btw, he was one of the guys who was on kenny's radar back then.

only consolation is that southampton have an amazingly bad away record, tho LFC's home record isnt great either.
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Yup. They conceded some unbelievably stupid goals this season. So hopefully they will repeat their stupidity in defense tonight. But they seemed to be getting better during last game.

Our defense/defensive midfield is what I am worried about. Too many times we allow opposition to pass around near the goal and allowing shooting opportunity.

Still mystified as to why we cant press abit higher up as some of our guys easily got lost at the back and opposition players just went pass them swiftly.

This remains the loophole of liverpool. I hope Luis gets a good game and continue to lead the chart of goalscorers.
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It's hard to imagine that we met online some 9 years ago. It wasn't on LYN but rather on RAWK hence MyRAWK. We spoke to the admins about using the name and they were gracious enough to allow us to do so. We spoke on the forum and all decided to meet up and that was that. It's why you always see me encouraging posters to meet up because it is the same way I met the MyRAWK lads and we still watch games together until today. You tend to realise that any hostility online disappears when you meet face to face. Some lads like Triple02 and Monstar I met from LYN. Koolspyda , Everdying. Not sure who I've missed out on. Actually I think I met Koolspyda on ZTH!

Like Jono mentioned in his interview, we were joined by Ian Rush once and I believe Michael Thomas joined in once but I wasn't there at the time. Jono was giving him stick about 'that goal'. I think we even tried to get Ian Ayre to join in as he was CEO of Total Sports Asia in Malaysia at the time.

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my prediction score for the game tonight is 3-1.
which way is anyones guess biggrin.gif
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Total money spent on agents (Oct 2011 - Sep 2012):
Manchester City - £10,537,982
Liverpool - £8,600,444
Queens Park Rangers - £6,818,688
Tottenham Hotspur - £6,595,905
Chelsea - £6,490,382
Arsenal - £5,580,873
West Ham Utd - £4,436,992
Manchester Utd - £3,681,580


Liv second on top spender on agent fee despite spend lesser in transfer market? sweat.gif

If not mistaken, the current mostly first XI started, are not from the transfer between the period, apart from Joe Allen.

Backfour from previous Rafa squad (Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Enrique)
Midfield (Gerrard, Shelvey, Henderson, Suso), are not from the transfer between the period except Allen.
Forward (Sterling, Suarez), are not in the transfer period as well.
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It's hard to imagine that we met online some 9 years ago. It wasn't on LYN but rather on RAWK hence MyRAWK. We spoke to the admins about using the name and they were gracious enough to allow us to do so. We spoke on the forum and all decided to meet up and that was that. It's why you always see me encouraging posters to meet up because it is the same way I met the MyRAWK lads and we still watch games together until today. You tend to realise that any hostility online disappears when you meet face to face. Some lads like Triple02 and Monstar I met from LYN. Koolspyda , Everdying. Not sure who I've missed out on. Actually I think I met Koolspyda on ZTH!

Like Jono mentioned in his interview, we were joined by Ian Rush once and I believe Michael Thomas joined in once but I wasn't there at the time. Jono was giving him stick about 'that goal'. I think we even tried to get Ian Ayre to join in as he was CEO of Total Sports Asia in Malaysia at the time.
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hosting videos of games breaches the PL copyright.
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Uh? Even if you bought those past videos?
Just a thought anyway. I am sure there is a way to exist strongly online and connect with each other. Then those who couldnt always make it to gathering can still hangout with the guys via online live channel

It's easier to get online sponsors and advertisers to ensure MyRAWK can have funding to continue its presence.
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...9;-fees?cc=4716
Liv second on top spender on agent fee despite spend lesser in transfer market?  sweat.gif

If not mistaken, the current mostly first XI started, are not from the transfer between the period, apart from Joe Allen.

Backfour from previous Rafa squad (Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Enrique)
Midfield (Gerrard, Shelvey, Henderson, Suso), are not from the transfer between the period except Allen.
Forward (Sterling, Suarez), are not in the transfer period as well.
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why would it matter if first XI?
anyway LFC signed 5 players during that period for a total of almost 38m pounds.
allen, sahin, assaidi, yesil and borini.


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Uh? Even if you bought those past videos?
Just a thought anyway. I am sure there is a way to exist strongly online and connect with each other. Then those who couldnt always make it to gathering can still hangout with the guys via online live channel

It's easier to get online sponsors and advertisers to ensure MyRAWK can have funding to continue its presence.
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ever read disclaimers on videos you bought?
or has it been a very long time since you bought any? u whiskey nose pirate biggrin.gif

there is always a warning that says 'for private home use only', blah blah blah, 'any public performance of this program is prohibited by law', blah blah blah.



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It's hard to imagine that we met online some 9 years ago. It wasn't on LYN but rather on RAWK hence MyRAWK. We spoke to the admins about using the name and they were gracious enough to allow us to do so. We spoke on the forum and all decided to meet up and that was that. It's why you always see me encouraging posters to meet up because it is the same way I met the MyRAWK lads and we still watch games together until today. You tend to realise that any hostility online disappears when you meet face to face. Some lads like Triple02 and Monstar I met from LYN. Koolspyda , Everdying. Not sure who I've missed out on. Actually I think I met Koolspyda on ZTH!

Like Jono mentioned in his interview, we were joined by Ian Rush once and I believe Michael Thomas joined in once but I wasn't there at the time. Jono was giving him stick about 'that goal'. I think we even tried to get Ian Ayre to join in as he was CEO of Total Sports Asia in Malaysia at the time.
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It's true about the online hostility part. Afterall it's just the passion for football and the heat of the moment that took over. I gotta admit, I really look forward to some LYN gatherings to meet you guys and share a drink or two while watching Liverpool.

It'll be interesting to see people like Moodswingfella, Petre, PPZ, Everdying, KoolSpyda, Led, Rehdus, Saikuan, LFCReds91, Beenthere, Maranello, you, HFI and even MarkBlurBerry, Mr MadMoz and more. All the liverpool enthusiasts although some are a little harsh with their comments sometimes. biggrin.gif

But I am sure when it's face to face meeting, we will be sharing laughs. thumbup.gif
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Uh? Even if you bought those past videos?
Just a thought anyway. I am sure there is a way to exist strongly online and connect with each other. Then those who couldnt always make it to gathering can still hangout with the guys via online live channel

It's easier to get online sponsors and advertisers to ensure MyRAWK can have funding to continue its presence.
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Thing is you need people passionate enough to run it especially since you don't get paid for it, and I can tell ya, not many are willing to put in the work. I myself can ill afford to do so now since my work schedule is erratic.

Somehow hanging out online isn't the same has having a bevy in real life. I'm still old school when it comes to this. I'd much prefer hanging out face to face. To me, the phone is only used for arranging gatherings, not to have discussions on. People are often not themselves online. It's more genuine to see someone in the flesh.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 11:56 AM)
It's true about the online hostility part. Afterall it's just the passion for football and the heat of the moment that took over. I gotta admit, I really look forward to some LYN gatherings to meet you guys and share a drink or two while watching Liverpool.

It'll be interesting to see people like Moodswingfella, Petre, PPZ, Everdying, KoolSpyda, Led, Rehdus, Saikuan, LFCReds91, Beenthere, Maranello, you, HFI and even MarkBlurBerry, Mr MadMoz and more. All the liverpool enthusiasts although some are a little harsh with their comments sometimes. biggrin.gif

But I am sure when it's face to face meeting, we will be sharing laughs.  thumbup.gif
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and ur fav nasi mangkuk...tho we all will probably be laughing at him for different reasons tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 11:56 AM)
It's true about the online hostility part. Afterall it's just the passion for football and the heat of the moment that took over. I gotta admit, I really look forward to some LYN gatherings to meet you guys and share a drink or two while watching Liverpool.

It'll be interesting to see people like Moodswingfella, Petre, PPZ, Everdying, KoolSpyda, Led, Rehdus, Saikuan, LFCReds91, Beenthere, Maranello, you, HFI and even MarkBlurBerry, Mr MadMoz and more. All the liverpool enthusiasts although some are a little harsh with their comments sometimes. biggrin.gif

But I am sure when it's face to face meeting, we will be sharing laughs.  thumbup.gif
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Mr Moz works weekends man! Seeing him is like seeing Haley's comet. Triple02 is a cool dude though he hardly posts anymore. Like Petre, he comes from Penang but moved to KL to work and sent me a PM, wanting to meet up with some KL Reds for games. Jono can't stop talking in person. Strong mouth muscles that one.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 1 2012, 11:52 AM)
why would it matter if first XI?
anyway LFC signed 5 players during that period for a total of almost 38m pounds.
allen, sahin, assaidi, yesil and borini.


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ever read disclaimers on videos you bought?
or has it been a very long time since you bought any? u whiskey nose pirate biggrin.gif

there is always a warning that says 'for private home use only', blah blah blah, 'any public performance of this program is prohibited by law', blah blah blah.
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Off to 1U now. If anyone's there and you see a bloke in a this seasons home kit with JFT96 behind, do say "hi". Later.
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Off to 1U now. If anyone's there and you see a bloke in a this seasons home kit with JFT96 behind, do say "hi". Later.
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1U so early? just to get parking? tongue.gif
i'll be at amcorp later around 2pm.

oh that day i bumped into ryan mr. torres at 1U dave's deli.

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and ur fav nasi mangkuk...tho we all will probably be laughing at him for different reasons tongue.gif
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I told Bobo to talk nicely here and I will buy him drinks if he comes to our gathering. So no more issue lah. Let's just share a laugh together.
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I told Bobo to talk nicely here and I will buy him drinks if he comes to our gathering. So no more issue lah. Let's just share a laugh together.
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u'll buy him drinks...sure.
but will he be drinking it or bathing in it? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 1 2012, 12:00 PM)
Mr Moz works weekends man! Seeing him is like seeing Haley's comet. Triple02 is a cool dude though he hardly posts anymore. Like Petre, he comes from Penang but moved to KL to work and sent me a PM, wanting to meet up with some KL Reds for games. Jono can't stop talking in person. Strong mouth muscles that one.
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Woah! If I have to work on weekends, I'll be really mad. No wonder his mood swing is so serious. LOL. Now I understand. biggrin.gif


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u'll buy him drinks...sure.
but will he be drinking it or bathing in it? biggrin.gif
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I think he wont take the risk of insulting Liverpool in a Liverpool gathering and end up getting shove into the toilet bowl of puke right? biggrin.gif

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aiyoh... 2nit no live ah... how come le????
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Uh? Astro no live? Luckily MIO TV Singapore got live. Nvm. I will update you guys. hehe
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aiyoh... 2nit no live ah... how come le????
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how come you no search le????
http://www.astro.com.my/epg/guide.php

HD also got...
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i see the star newspaper, they no stated there which channel oh...

Yaloh... check astro website got oh...

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i see the star newspaper. the no stated there which channel oh...
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Added on December 1, 2012, 12:33 pmRafael Benitez: 'I could have signed Andy Carroll'

Rafael Benitez has revealed that Liverpool could have signed striker Andy Carroll when he was still their manager for far less than £35m.

The Reds made the 23-year-old the most expensive British footballer of all time in January 2011 when they signed him from Newcastle United following the departure of Fernando Torres to Chelsea for £50m that same day.

"He played in the FA Youth Cup at Anfield in 2009 and we were watching him, a young player with power," The Mirror quotes Benitez as saying.

"It was an option and he was cheaper. Take the three off the £35m. And the five. It was quite cheap!"

Benitez is now serving as the Chelsea manager.

WOAH! From $5mil to $35mil in just 2 years. Commolli is amazing in business tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 1 2012, 12:04 PM)
1U so early? just to get parking? tongue.gif
i'll be at amcorp later around 2pm.

oh that day i bumped into ryan mr. torres at 1U dave's deli.
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Yeah man. Also I got tickets to Pi which looks interesting.

I still bump into Ryan in drinking holes. Still has his Torres look lol.
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hello, anyone interested to buy LFC away jersey 11/12 ?

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2609884&hl=

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why would it matter if first XI?
anyway LFC signed 5 players during that period for a total of almost 38m pounds.
allen, sahin, assaidi, yesil and borini.

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Sahin is on loan one, if not mistaken, so there is no transfer fee.

A total 38 mil spent, and No 2 in agent fee, and only 1 player can get into regular XI starter.... sweat.gif

The matter is that the club spent so much money that other, yet only 1 signing is regular starter.

Young, promising, bench warmer, the club shouldn't spent as much.
If spent so much money, means buying established players who can contribute to the team straight away one.
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Sahin is on loan one, if not mistaken, so there is no transfer fee.

A total 38 mil spent, and No 2 in agent fee, and only 1 player can get into regular XI starter....  sweat.gif

The matter is that the club spent so much money that other, yet only 1 signing is regular starter.

Young, promising, bench warmer, the club shouldn't spent as much.
If spent so much money, means buying established players who can contribute to the team straight away one.
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no transfer fee, but there is a loan fee of 3m, and there should still be agent fees right...

but yea, its amazing how many bench warmers we got.
i still dont understand why sahin and assaidi dont get enough starts...for the latter its 0 starts in the PL.

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The club needs to be financial shrewd in spending on players for the better future.
Cannot always make losing business in transfer market, or spent big in transfer market, yet the player signed has difficulty to be regular starter.
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...9;-fees?cc=4716
Liv second on top spender on agent fee despite spend lesser in transfer market?  sweat.gif

If not mistaken, the current mostly first XI started, are not from the transfer between the period, apart from Joe Allen.

Backfour from previous Rafa squad (Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Enrique)
Midfield (Gerrard, Shelvey, Henderson, Suso), are not from the transfer between the period except Allen.
Forward (Sterling, Suarez), are not in the transfer period as well.
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Thought Agent get $ for renegotiating new contracts?

Suarez, Shelvey, Agger, Skrtel, Suso all signed new contracts this summer...

Plus, we signed Allen, Borini, Sahin, Assaidi. Surely, when all add ups, it makes up that number
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The club needs to be financial shrewd in spending on players for the better future.
Cannot always make losing business in transfer market, or spent big in transfer market, yet the player signed has difficulty to be regular starter.
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20 over years of mismanagement in finance. It aint going to stop anytime soon tongue.gif

Maybe because we think we are the big Liverpool hence clubs give us a higher quotation of price because of our history? Like BR said, when clubs quote their prices for Liverpool, it is always ridiculous.
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m particularly fond of asaidi. and i think Borini n Suarez combo can produce something....since now Gerrard can move further up and Lucas is back
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 1 2012, 01:40 PM)
Thought Agent get $ for renegotiating new contracts?

Suarez, Shelvey, Agger, Skrtel, Suso all signed new contracts this summer...

Plus, we signed Allen, Borini, Sahin, Assaidi. Surely, when all add ups, it makes up that number
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If like that, still sound ok
Agent is a big business.
Next time, my wish list in career is becoming an agent...
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naise...tonight malaysia vs indonesia. then Liv's game.
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naise...tonight malaysia vs indonesia. then Liv's game.
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based on the recent rumour that BR is going to resign Ince for as much as 6m, I wonder if BR is going to forge a whole team of young Sterlings that will be capable of challenging in the near future but will have to suffer for a few years, are you guys okay with that? can you guys wait?

i still think resigning Ince for 6m (who was released from our academy) is another transfer which begs for logic. i get the same feeling when we signed Carroll for 35m
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Dec 1 2012, 02:48 PM)
based on the recent rumour that BR is going to resign Ince for as much as 6m, I wonder if BR is going to forge a whole team of young Sterlings that will be capable of challenging in the near future but will have to suffer for a few years, are you guys okay with that? can you guys wait?

i still think resigning Ince for 6m (who was released from our academy) is another transfer which begs for logic. i get the same feeling when we signed Carroll for 35m
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to re-sign Ince a good idea but 6m is too expensive for such a youngster.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 1 2012, 12:38 PM)
It's hard to imagine that we met online some 9 years ago. It wasn't on LYN but rather on RAWK hence MyRAWK. We spoke to the admins about using the name and they were gracious enough to allow us to do so. We spoke on the forum and all decided to meet up and that was that. It's why you always see me encouraging posters to meet up because it is the same way I met the MyRAWK lads and we still watch games together until today. You tend to realise that any hostility online disappears when you meet face to face. Some lads like Triple02 and Monstar I met from LYN. Koolspyda , Everdying. Not sure who I've missed out on. Actually I think I met Koolspyda on ZTH!

Like Jono mentioned in his interview, we were joined by Ian Rush once and I believe Michael Thomas joined in once but I wasn't there at the time. Jono was giving him stick about 'that goal'. I think we even tried to get Ian Ayre to join in as he was CEO of Total Sports Asia in Malaysia at the time.
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I think i havent met most or put a face to their nicks.

of course duke stood out mainly because his contribution/his work <i could relate etc

so which is time, somehow there group shd meet more often. i understand not all can make it every time (which i have in the past due to schedules)


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oh wow i get 10% warning for the first time in lowyat eversince 2002 for my reply on mangkuk? nice.. way to go!

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Dec 1 2012, 02:47 PM)
and our plan for boxing day gathering is postponed aite?
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Postponed as I am going to Bali tongue.gif
I'll be back on Jan 13 MU vs Liv - We go for this one perhaps?
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QUOTE(kevafk @ Dec 1 2012, 03:54 PM)
oh wow i get 10% warning for the first time in lowyat eversince 2002 for my reply on mangkuk? nice..  way to go!
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i got 14 days for a reply towards another troll last year

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Dec 1 2012, 03:54 PM)
oh wow i get 10% warning for the first time in lowyat eversince 2002 for my reply on mangkuk? nice..  way to go!
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Take it as the brotherhood mark. Most of us got it as well tongue.gif

The 10% club
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it was a known fact that AC was offered way less then what we paid (before rafa's comments).

even Sam Allardyce (he mentioned it some time back) was offered about 8-10mil before commoli struck a deal (partly the way they said about how much fee we received from torres contributed the rise)
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QUOTE(PadeGP @ Dec 1 2012, 04:54 PM)
f*** benitez..
i could sign this i could have sign that..
when u r very good.. people will always talk bout u.. no need u to tell everything.. what we do in istanbul la... we should have sign simao la.. bla bla bla.. f*** benitez always blaming everyone.

the good signing u make only double hypia & hencoz.. duo alonso & masherano.. torres & reina...

other than that u just wasting LFC money..

talk alot to convince that u r good. when u really good no need to talk alot & blaming others!


Added on December 1, 2012, 4:55 pmstory bout we could have sign carrol for cheapo price make me feel benitez is so f***ing stupid!!!
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Feeble attempt at trolling. Yes, Benitez signed Hyypia and Henchoz LOL.
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eh? Henchoz and Hyppia are signed by Papa Gerard lah
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QUOTE(PadeGP @ Dec 1 2012, 04:54 PM)
f*** benitez..
i could sign this i could have sign that..
when u r very good.. people will always talk bout u.. no need u to tell everything.. what we do in istanbul la... we should have sign simao la.. bla bla bla.. f*** benitez always blaming everyone.

the good signing u make only double hypia & hencoz.. duo alonso & masherano.. torres & reina...

other than that u just wasting LFC money..

talk alot to convince that u r good. when u really good no need to talk alot & blaming others!


Added on December 1, 2012, 4:55 pmstory bout we could have sign carrol for cheapo price make me feel benitez is so f***ing stupid!!!
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Benitez signed Michael Owen too! Give him some credits for that okayyyyyyyyyy? laugh.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(PadeGP @ Dec 1 2012, 04:54 PM)
f*** benitez..
i could sign this i could have sign that..
when u r very good.. people will always talk bout u.. no need u to tell everything.. what we do in istanbul la... we should have sign simao la.. bla bla bla.. f*** benitez always blaming everyone.

the good signing u make only double hypia & hencoz.. duo alonso & masherano.. torres & reina...

other than that u just wasting LFC money..

talk alot to convince that u r good. when u really good no need to talk alot & blaming others!


Added on December 1, 2012, 4:55 pmstory bout we could have sign carrol for cheapo price make me feel benitez is so f***ing stupid!!!
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i cannot brain this joke doh.gif


Added on December 1, 2012, 7:11 pm
QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 04:36 PM)
Postponed as I am going to Bali tongue.gif
I'll be back on Jan 13 MU vs Liv - We go for this one perhaps?
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sure sure. just plan ahead. if i can make it, sure i will come one smile.gif

p/s : so u often go to bali....what so gooding over there uh? brows.gif

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Dec 1 2012, 07:06 PM)

sure sure. just plan ahead. if i can make it, sure i will come one smile.gif

p/s : so u often go to bali....what so gooding over there uh?  brows.gif
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What's good? Er... party, drinks, music, Aussie and Bali chicks, massage, beach, tanning, adventure, kopi luwak, papaya sightseeing, relaxation tongue.gif
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What's good? Er... party, drinks, music, Aussie and Bali chicks, massage, beach, tanning, adventure, kopi luwak, papaya sightseeing, relaxation tongue.gif
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papaya sightseeing  rclxms.gif
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Alamak! I forgot to buy Coke! Later gotta drink to support Liverpool.
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QUOTE(kevafk @ Dec 1 2012, 03:54 PM)
oh wow i get 10% warning for the first time in lowyat eversince 2002 for my reply on mangkuk? nice..  way to go!
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What's a 10% warning?


Added on December 1, 2012, 9:07 pmSpeaking of Carroll, he's crocked again.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/nati...0,3388732.story?

On an unrelated note, Malaysia is playing Indonesia now and our defending looks dodgy.


Added on December 1, 2012, 9:13 pmI really would like to know exactly what is happening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ester-City.html

"Advisors"? Just who are these "advisors"? If they are fishing for more money, screw them. Sterling may be a bright talent but he's had less than half a season of regular football. I wonder how much he's asking for.

Malaysia just scored after absorbing early pressure.

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Liverpool! Liverpool!

[CHORUS]
Oh oh oh, oh oh oh
Liverpool, we're never gonna stop.
Oh oh oh, oh oh oh
Liverpool, we're never gonna stop.

With you all behind us, We just can't go wrong.
We've got the rhythm If you've got the song.
So raise your voices, And we'll raise our game. Liverpool, Liverpool, Long may we reign.

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When we play together, We just can't be beat.
Shout "no surrender," Don't mention defeat.
The long road to glory Is trodden by few.
There's no turning back, We're winning for you.

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L is the League, is it number 14?
I - we're invincible, know what I mean?
V is for victory, E - ever more,
R - we're the reds, and we're ready to score,

P is for Paisley, what more can we say?
double-O, L - Liverpool, Liverpool, we're on the way

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PAISLEY? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kevafk @ Dec 1 2012, 03:54 PM)
oh wow i get 10% warning for the first time in lowyat eversince 2002 for my reply on mangkuk? nice..  way to go!
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Guess what? I got my first warning in 9 years for calling you-know-who "manure".
Oh well, we gotta be delicate towards em sensitive ladyboys.
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malaysia 2 indon 0

singapore 0 laos 1
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now where is the old timer defender who cakap banyak banyak
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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Dec 1 2012, 09:16 PM)
Guess what? I got my first warning in 9 years for calling you-know-who "manure".
Oh well, we gotta be delicate towards em sensitive ladyboys.
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If you got warned because someone pushed the "report" button, I'd agree with your description of them considering the number of times I've seen our name dragged through the mud. No point in dishing it out if you can't take it. People need to learn to man up instead of being anonymous whistle blowers.

Anyway, here is another name to add to the list of strikers we're linked with. Much more realistic at £8 million pounds. Never heard of the bloke though.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/9194...anuary-transfer
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Anyway, here is another name to add to the list of strikers we're linked with. Much more realistic at £8 million pounds. Never heard of the bloke though.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/9194...anuary-transfer
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What the...? Bafetimbi? What a name. 27, unknown, 10 goals every season in Ligue 1? Not even an impressive record. Must be crazy newspaper journalist creating crazy stories. Soon they will link us to Bambang Pamungkas. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 09:36 PM)
What the...? Bafetimbi? What a name. 27, unknown, 10 goals every season in Ligue 1? Not even an impressive record.  Must be crazy newspaper journalist creating crazy stories. Soon they will link us to Bambang Pamungkas. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 09:36 PM)
What the...? Bafetimbi? What a name. 27, unknown, 10 goals every season in Ligue 1? Not even an impressive record.  Must be crazy newspaper journalist creating crazy stories. Soon they will link us to Bambang Pamungkas. tongue.gif
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LOL not Bafetimbi la, its Gomis. Regular Lyon striker currently, even play for UCL. But still not good enough to join Liverpool.
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Whatever happened to the curious case of Demba Ba? We're no longer linked with him?
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Well did anyone hear of Nikica Jelavic before he signed for Everton?

Gomis isn't a big name and he's bagged at least 10 goals in each of his season with Lyon. That's better than a few of our strikers in recent times. Milan Baros only scored 19 in 3 seasons with us. Haven't seen him play so I can't say anything more unfortunately.

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By the way, Rafa's team is struggling again despite leading 1-0. West Ham is kicking their bottom at the moment. Gonna concede soon if they play like this.


Added on December 1, 2012, 10:06 pmboom!!

West 1 Chelsea 1

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The Reds team in full is: Reina, Johnson, Enrique, Skrtel, Agger, Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Shelvey, Sterling, Suarez. Subs: Jones, Sahin, Henderson, Downing, Carragher, Suso, Wisdom.

GOGO LUCAS!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 1 2012, 10:07 PM)
The Reds team in full is: Reina, Johnson, Enrique, Skrtel, Agger, Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Shelvey, Sterling, Suarez. Subs: Jones, Sahin, Henderson, Downing, Carragher, Suso, Wisdom.

GOGO LUCAS!
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HUH? Who is playing left wing?

Lucas--Gerrard--Allen--Shelvey ???
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 1 2012, 10:09 PM)
HUH? Who is playing left wing?

Lucas--Gerrard--Allen--Shelvey ???
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I think no wing tonight?

smth like this maybe?



Reina

Glenny --- Skrtel --- Agger --- Enrique

------------LUCAS LEIVA-----------------

-----------Gerrard----Allen---------------

-----------------Shelvey------------------

------Suarez---------------Sterling---------





Shelvey for no 10 position!
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Indonesia have just brought on a rather sluggish looking Dutch man whose Mohawk is as ugly as Clint Mathis' at the 2002 World Cup.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 1 2012, 10:12 PM)
Indonesia have just brought on a rather sluggish looking Dutch man whose Mohawk is as ugly as Clint Mathis' at the 2002 World Cup.
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he banyak gemuk..
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For those who have no idea what I was talking about earlier. Couldn't take my eyes of Mathis' bad haircut in 02.


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no wing? GLHF tongue.gif

but anyway i guess its back to BR's usual 4-2-3-1.



reina
johnson - skrtel - agger - enrique
lucas - allen
sterling - gerrard - shelvey
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QUOTE(tiSSue_paPer @ Dec 1 2012, 10:16 PM)
he banyak gemuk..
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Mirip Ronaldo
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west ham 2..

RB T_T
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Rafa's future in trouble

2-1 down
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Rafa trolling eh
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2-1 down
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salute rafa.

err i mean poor rafa..
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Sack Rafa after this..?

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he get sacked, he'll probably pocket another 1 mil or so tongue.gif

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