Grobbelaar was eccentric but he was also embroiled in a corruption scandal involving Hans Segers and John Fashanu.

On a more positive note, he was in a bar in his native Zimbabwe watching the 2005 final when a group of "Liverpool supporters", turned their backs on the team and started criticising them the moment we went 3-0 down. When we came back, they started to cheer again. Brucie promptly told them to shut up and that they weren't proper Liverpool fans. Fiery bloke indeed. I can't find the source of this story anymore but read it when it happened 7 years ago.

I don't see how is that positive, when he started lashing out on other fellow fans for what, not showing the same level of support throughpout 90 mins? If team were in 0-3 down, let's face it there will be surely criticism all over the air. Seems like a normal fan reaction to me. Lowyat folks does it all the time. It's a bit overboard to go as far as implying them as fake fans or not loyal to the club?

Is there a such a need to be SO hardcore that one vents his fury on others for not supporting the team the way he does?

This post has been edited by carloz28: Dec 1 2012, 09:44 AM

I think to be fair, everyone has a different way of loving the club. My dad is also a moaner. He can criticize the team for the most simplest thing that went wrong on the field.

He love Liverpool all his life since the Shanks era in division 2 so he cannot be categorised as not a true fan.

It's just that everyone has a different perception but all the same fiery passion for the club.

I have been very vocal in slamming those fans that tell the unhappy guys to support other teams rather than complaining in the main site. Fans have the right to feel unhappy. Cant simply just tell them to stop supporting Liverpool. It is not fair.

Well I may not have gotten the story 100% right. They could have been jeering the team but the point I was trying to make is that he is still passionate about the club. Personally I was too distraught to say anything when we went 3-0 down.

I think it's safe to say different fans show passions in different ways so there is really no right or wrong. I personally try my best to emulate those seated at the Kop who are constantly behind the team during the game. I know the team can't hear me since I'm nowhere near the stadium but I still think it's counterproductive to criticise them during the game. That should be saved for after. My personal opinion.

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Added on December 1, 2012, 9:56 amIf Istanbul proved anything it was that fan power can go some ways. I've read stories about a few fans leaving the stadium at half-time but the vast majority stayed and sang YNWA at half-time. In the end everyone was a fan, enough of a fan to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Istanbul but why did some leave and others stay at half-time?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 1 2012, 09:56 AM

Serious? I wouldnt leave even if the team is 5-0 down. Paid so much money for the ticket + travel and leave at half time?

I think I suffered less in 2005 because I only get to watch after the score was 3-3. When it goes to extra time and penalty, I turned off the TV and pretended to sleep for a while. Dont wanna jinx the team.

When i switched it on again, they were interviewing Dudek. I knew in my mind, TV rarely interview the loser. So we gotta be the winner! I jumped and wake dad up who refuse to believe that we won because he had been watching the game till half time when we were 3-0 down then switched off the tv in frustration. LOL

Indeed fans are entitled to criticise the team and offer opinions on what went wrong and what can be done differently. However no one likes a serial moaner. Forget about football. Say you had two friends. One who is an optimist and another who isn't happy about anything. I'd bet my last dollar that people would rather hang around the first bloke.

My opinion with our current situation is that it's too soon to be overly critical especially since the owners and manager have asked us to be patient. They are working hard, that much is evident. Now, I don't get behind something for the sake of it. I get behind something when there is a clear vision and direction. A couple of years ago, I had a big argument with several posters here because I had begun to the critical of Rafa but this was during his last two seasons with us. I'm far from being a blind optimist. I don't hate Rafa, I just thought it was time to part company and fans were singing his praises without justification.

Today, I try not to look into every game. I try to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. I don't deny we're in a poor position now but I believe in what Rodgers and the owners are saying. They make sense to me and for that, I'm willing to be patient and give them the time they've asked for.

Did you tell your dad to shut up and told him off he's not proper Liverpool fan like Grobellarr? LMFAO....

Bet your ass you need to hand back your car keys if you have done that....hahah

Like you I always watch the game till the end half expecting a miracle to happen when we're behind. I can only imagine how the players feel when fans start streaming out the stadium when they're losing. Sure I'm not in the stadium and the lads can't see me but its the principle that matters. I mean when you throw a piece of paper into the recycle bin, you don't do it for everyone to see. It's your own conscience that you have to deal with.

Yes, sadly a handful of fans left at half time and were shocked to see that the team had come back when they reached the city. I was organising a viewing party for Carlsberg during the game and there was absolute silence from the 2000 strong crowd at half time but no one left. In the end, we ended up drinking, hugging strangers and dancing in the streets until 630 am. It was a blast. Cars were blaring their horns and fans were running about everywhere. Of all the viewing parties I have organised over a 3 year span, I've never seen one as awesome as the one in 2005.

The thing is, every fans have a different way of venting their frustrations. The most common ones that we have seen obviously is moaning through LY forum, LFC official website, facebook and twitter.

The less common one which I have seen with my eyes open wide, I mean really wide was my friend who throws the beer bottle to the floor and kick the rubbish bin.

It's true the pessimists drag your mood down along unnecessarily but I question myself as to what made them so angry and frustrated in the first place?

It's because they love Liverpool so much, they lost control of themselves. That's why.

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Added on December 1, 2012, 10:23 amAre you serious? It's not just losing the car or anything, he would shove my head into the toilet bowl and flush with the amount of anger he was having that time. LOL

This post has been edited by dillonyong: Dec 1 2012, 10:23 AM

i've always wondered about this.
back then, was there even any football shown on local tv?
or did he go study in liverpool? which back then also would be highly unlikely.

not saying hes not a fan, but im wondering how ppl who say they were fans from back then became fans.

In this case, it was more productive that the fans were still behind the team.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 1 2012, 10:27 AM

Yup. No live game normally but got this stupid football show, something like English League Highlights which feature the weekly games and results.

The live games are mostly cup competitions and most of them are semi finals and finals. Liverpool reached quite a number of finals hence always get to be on tv.

And they are sponsored by Dunhill - Gaya, Mutu, Keunggulan. LOL

Venting is normal. I can tell ya I'm not a good loser either but I try to suck it up and practice anger management techniques. During the game however, I'm just saying it serves the team better if fans continue to sing and support them. Save the criticism for later in like you say, forums or social media. It's tough and may not be the most natural thing to do especially if you're seething with anger and have a lot of frustration pent up but ask yourself what's best for the team?

Having said that, listening to someone moan all the time does get tiring especially when effort is being out in by the players, management or owners. We can at least show appreciation for that. I personally don't have anything against criticism so long as it is constructive. We are largely, a society that likes to complain. We whine about politics, our pay, our jobs, and our football. Complaining alone gets us nowhere though unless we back it up with action. I don't like the LSCM for example, so along with some other lads, we started MyRAWK. I believe in a fair and just elections so I showed by support during BERSIH. in the context of being a Liverpool fan, we can only do our part to support the team by purchasing original merchandise, watching them play on telly and offering opinions on what can be done better or different like we do now.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 1 2012, 10:45 AM

yea those shows i remember, but in the 80s.
and seriously? in the late 50s when LFC were in 2nd div...malaysia got tv broadcasts?
cos malaysian tv only started broadcasting in 1963.

I remember those days. The highlights programme was outdated. I had to get my scores from buying SHOOT or MATCH magazines. At the back, they gave you a synopsis of every game that was played in every division as well as player ratings. It's how I got to familiarise myself with the many names.

I kept hearing the name John Barnes and he became my favourite Liverpool player. I'd always look for his name and match rating whenever I bought a mag.

You started MYRAWK? I wanna join!
It's true, that sometimes those guys can let your faulty mood goes even a step further down by what they do. Not saying that it is right but I understand why they did it.

It's crazy but love is still there. The crazy fans that I know never stop loving Liverpool. Over the years they complain less only because some claimed their heart died hence words cannot describe it anymore. LOL. That is too serious.

Anyway, formation for tonight, Duke?

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Added on December 1, 2012, 11:01 amUh? I think they started showing football in 70s. Dad also always go to stadium and watch Soh Chin Aun and Malaysia playing.

He's an enthusiast reader who buys alot of football magazine, newspapers, etc. Whatever concerning liverpool, he'll buy. so I guess in the 60's he was counting on those. no idea lah. gotta ask him when i am back in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by dillonyong: Dec 1 2012, 11:13 AM

myrawk is on its last legs, just like BR

Yeah we did but it's died down significantly now as no one has the time anymore. We were actually inspired by Singapore's East of Anfield Supporters Club who like us didn't agree with how the official club was being run. We basically sat down over beers one night and decided to form our own community and organising our own match viewings. We used to have about 300 people attend the big games, which included the 2007 final in Athens. As European finals go it aired at 3 am here and we had to look for a venue willing to open for us. Fortunately we found a place and decked it up with banners, framed pictures and flags. Most were from our own personal collection whilst others we printed or bought. We then had to organised for projector screens and of course a projector. It wasn't uncommon for us to have to fork out our own cash. We would also prepare door gifts for everyone and have our own emcee. We would secure prize sponsors like Chanel for lucky draw sessions. We approached online sports sites to promote us and it was a great time. Our then president, Jonno who still posts here occasionally was even interviewed and featured on Liverpool's official site. Great honour. It was a lot of fun working with the lads, setting up for games and meeting with sponsors but sadly, we're too busy with our own careers now. I only wish the LSCM did more for the fans but it is what it is. In the end, I opted to become an official member and applied online. Got my membership card, token pen and everything.

Unfortunately I don't know anything about Southampton having never seen them okay this season so I wouldn't be able to offer anything productive. With Downing out of sorts however I do imagine that Wisdom will return to rightback and Johnson shifted to the left with Enrique ahead of him. I'm also hoping that Jonjo starts ahead of Henderson but we just might see a midfield trio of Gerrard, Allen and Lucas though I think the latter will start from the bench.

Wow reminds me of my younger days.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 1 2012, 11:19 AM

southampton have a pretty leaky defence, but they can also score goals as is evident by their top scorer with 6 goal, and 5 others also chipping in with 2 each.
needless to say, they've scored more goals than LFC.

so whoever is playing on the right would have to work really well with Allen, cos it'll be surprising if Lucas does start, to try and contain their captain Lallana.
btw, he was one of the guys who was on kenny's radar back then.

only consolation is that southampton have an amazingly bad away record, tho LFC's home record isnt great either.

Forgive me for reminiscing. Here are a couple of banner we printed, one of which was to honour the 96. As you can see, our events consisted of a good mix of girls, dudes of all races. It was a blast and we would always be filled with such pride seeing fans having a good time at our events, singing, cheering and drinking of course!

I really miss those days. We would all meet the night before a big game to deck the place out with memorabilia. Alas, we don't get paid and need to focus on our 9-5s.


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