Pros and cons of social media. I think that as ambassadors of the club and sport, players do have to shoulder some social responsibility knowing that just about anyone can add them on twitter or follow their FB page. They have to be very careful of what they post or say, it's part of the job. You don't get paid millions for nothing.

What I said earlier was from a social viewpoint of course. Personally, I do feel people are starting to make mountains out of mole hills, with the latest example being the racism debacles.

Racism is a matter of perception. NO I'm not representing any political party.

As a matter of fact, I am one who doesn't view people via their skin colours and I always tell people that my name is my name but I am Malaysian and Malaysian only.

That being said, at times, out of mischief and banter purposes, we as Malaysian tend to make stereotypical jokes.

I call one of my best friends, "Kuantan Melayu" once and he retort back by saying "Melayu Kuantan lah Cinapek"

I even address another close friend of mine by using a pretty offensive way of addressing Indians, that too we banter about it.

Some find it offensive but do we have to?

African Americans address one another by the N word but will throw in a punch if another person with another skin tone uses it.

pardon my grammar, *out of cancer stick, trying to reduce, focus gone

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Added on November 30, 2012, 12:56 pmHonestly, not everyone would interpret it that way.

I for one, would not condone such act.

Not that I'm not a saint, I do use that word still, but only among friends.

Social media can show many things such as your personality, your attitude, your ideas, etc.

The boy is still young, so perhaps a lesson learnt.


This post has been edited by lilredridinghood: Nov 30 2012, 12:56 PM

I made the same point earlier about how black people can call themselves the "N" word but get upset when other's use it. If you don't want people to use it, then stop using is yourself la.

In the context of football, I think it's worse that the "Kick It Out" campaign highlights every little single infringement that has the slightest racist connotation tied to it. This prompts everyone who reads the papers and watches the TV to be more sensitive to the issue. If you make a big deal out of something, someone else will. Now it's good to highlight the plight of black footballers who receive racise abuse in the form of monkey chants and being thrown banana peels for example, but just punish the offenders instead of letting the whole issue drag on in the media. The more people read about it, the more they get riled up and angry. Come to think about it, I think the media is accountable. Won't be the first time.

Racist issue has happened for many centuries. Ain't gonna be solved anytime soon, especially not with a "kick it out" campaign.

It's built within the human system. My 9 year-old nephew, who has been taught by Christian community to treat everyone as equal, often openly confessed he dislikes the Darker Skin people. Nobody in the family has taught him to be racist but he developed it naturally.

It will take a lot of effort from my sister now to ensure he's not going to be a serial racist.

Point is, it's within the human system. We are all bias whether we like it or not.

To me, that's ignorance and preference Not so much on racism. Then again, the superiority feeling he possessed for having lighter skin colour could very well be a racism display

Ultimately it is hard to change people's perception when they have fixated on something, especially hatred. Sigh...
To me, hate is too much of a burden. I choose to love.....perhaps to make love as well

Unconscious stereotyping is part of human nature, but not racism. I reckon your nephew must have pick it up either from school or even his family, unconsciously. Sometimes our daily actions convey an underlying emotion and children are very good at picking that up. For example, as children many Chinese parents would tell their children to behave or else they would be sent to a bangkali. Despite having the right intention and the comment is essentially harmless, children would develop a negative association towards benggali.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with unconscious stereotyping/racism (For example, when you're walking alone at night and come across a group of dark-skinned foreigners, you will be a lot more cautious about the situation. Nothing wrong with that as it's part of our survival instinct.) but what we have to fight against is conscious racism. Things like open discrimination against minority groups or allowing decisions/actions to be clouded by discrimination etc should be curbed from our society.

Just my humble 2c worth, I stand corrected on the points above.

DOnt you guys think our football is pretty much predictable.We dont do long pass and most of the time the players will pass the ball to Allen. I have seen several times Allen loses the ball and nearly cost us a goal . Allen need some rest time starting from now. With Lucas back to the squad I expect Sahin/Allen to pair up with him . Let Stevie do the killer pass job up front and not Sahin.



look at Barca 1st goal . Start from midfield with Xavi delivering killer pass to Pedro to do the execution. Of coz I am not saying Barcelona = Liverpool but I rate stevie's vision and pass are on par with xavi.

I understand what you're trying to say, but pardon me for saying that this is the exact reason why racism is so prevalent today. Chinese parents may say that, but growing up as an Indian nobody has ever told me they'd send me to a Benggali or a butcher or a tiger, they just caned the hell out of me. To be honest racism and sensitivity towards racism I feel is something that starts at home. In your second case as well, I don't know if dark skinned foreigners come off as being any more scary than a group of light skinned Malaysians, but sometimes unconscious racism does give rise to conscious racism.

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear about my first point. What I meant was his nephew showed signs of conscious racism, and that habit must have been picked up from his surroundings. So with the Benggali example, even though our intention is harmless, the effect on the child may not be, thus we as adults must be wary of the implications of our actions. So yes, you're right that racial sensitivity starts from home.

No worries, not just here in Malaysia la, but I feel all over the world; the EPL included, the local (English, European?) attitude towards racism is very hypocritical. I feel that the tendency to be perceived as a civilized society leads to over emphasis on political correctness and takes attention away from the actual game.

Bro, I feel that there are many categories of hatreds / dislikes in this world. I once simplify with my professor and the following outcome was determined:


1st level, you are Indian, I am chinese - we gotta be separated
2nd level, you are chinese and I am chinese - you are MU supporter, I am liverpool supporter - we gotta be separated
3rd level, you are chinese, i am chinese, we both support Liverpool but I support DAP and you support MCA - we gotta be separated
4th level, you are chinese, i am chinese, we both support Liverpool and DAP, but I am poor and you are rich - we gotta be separated

There can be a lot more combinations but these are the well known ones.

So finally, we are all left alone facing the 4 corners of the wall.

End of the day, it's just sickening especially Level 2 since we are in football thread.

This post has been edited by dillonyong: Nov 30 2012, 05:11 PM

black ppl only get upset if other ppl not amongst their group use it.
i had quite a few black friends while in the states, they didnt care if i used the N word.

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Added on November 30, 2012, 6:42 pmbtw, i get a feeling the sports psychiatrist that was recently hired was not for the team...afterall teams need psychologists.
rather i feel the psychiatrist was hired specially for BR


This post has been edited by Everdying: Nov 30 2012, 06:42 PM

LOL. You really desire to give BR a piece of your mind
I can understand. The main website got so many loyal supporters all shouting at BR with unhappy comments.
His selection policy really begs question lately hence many unhappy voices heard in the site.

i wish BR would apply for the post of manager of northern ireland...
woy got it right by applying for england

Then who manage Liverpool la? Me and you?
I dont mind dropping my resume to JH. I am 7 times 2006 Football Manager champion

*with cheat code on

Haha

Seriously, i find that Football Manager's Scouting is quite reliable. Maybe BR wants to check it out?

no.23 will manage LFC
our 2nd player manager...and see if history repeats itself

Roy Evans once said that a team of Carraghers would be so boring.
Perhaps a team managed by Carragher would be equally boring?

a team of roy evans would be disastrous.
but roy evans did pretty decent right.