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post Nov 24 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 24 2012, 02:47 PM)
Sorry guys! I thought somebody will be initiating a new thread and usually people compete for it.

I don't want to open this thread because I have opened the previous version.
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Good checked in. Looking forward to gain knowledge and share point of view here
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post Nov 26 2012, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Nov 26 2012, 02:19 PM)
wow i notice that china's unit trust fund is on the rise while our local unit trust fund is on going down. any tot?
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Not really I am holding several China fund still in red
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post Dec 10 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(luqus @ Dec 10 2012, 10:50 PM)
do you think now is a good time to sell unit trust fund exposed in equities?
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which fund ? if your selling price is greater than purchase price - sales charge then why not. as long as untung

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post Dec 11 2012, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 11 2012, 01:16 AM)
What u are saying is that we should trade unit trusts. Well, good luck.
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NO. what i mean is if your UT is in earning state you can consider sale it or pt it in long term.
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post Dec 11 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(luqus @ Dec 11 2012, 08:52 AM)
i lumpsum into the funds in 2008.. one fund increased price by 40%, another one by 31%.
annual increase <10% jor  cry.gif
but still didnt include the dividends i receive every year. the fund increase by 40% is balance fund  biggrin.gif
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post Dec 11 2012, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 11 2012, 06:53 PM)
Every people has its own way of investing. Im more to; buy, invest, profit, i sell. Rather than i juggle my profit. Yes i can put them in parking lot, but i prefer to have black n white showing the profit in my account. Then i start with new amount. We both have the same mission, but with different objectives.

Maybe u like to pile up your profit. But for me, no. Once i reach 10% in a year, consider good. Then i sell. I start with new amount. The cycle goes like at in every of my investment. notworthy.gif
If u ask what im doing right, im buying rather then sell.
Agreed once it reach more than 10% pa per average than i would sell consider good income already in UT.
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post Dec 11 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 11 2012, 08:19 PM)
10% in a year shocking.gif

U a master fund picker notworthy.gif

My approach to UT investing is more of a "portfolio approach", my aim is to create a portfolio (thru trial and error and experience) that can deliver the returns come rain or shine over the long term. icon_rolleyes.gif
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may i know your long term investment is how long ya ?
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post Dec 11 2012, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 11 2012, 08:22 PM)
Yes PS, im practicing medium to long term investment as that is the number one characteristics of UT. but if u can manage to get 10%/year, that is good enough already. Please note that my investment got SC ranging from 3% to 6.5%. Still, i manage to get 10% per annum clean. But for the 6.5% sc, i need to be more patience and pick good fund to perform.
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mind to share your fund pick ?
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post Dec 11 2012, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 11 2012, 08:25 PM)
I treat UT as a retirement fund supplement to my EPF savings.
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IC. don't tell me you haven't sale any of your UT fund invested till today
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post Dec 11 2012, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 11 2012, 08:31 PM)
i think i already listed down my 'tools'. but nevermind, i think its in old thread. i list them again.

Local + abit foreign funds

CIMB Islamic DALI Equity Growth Fund
CIMB Islamic DALI Equity Fund
CIMB Islamic DALI Equity Theme Fund
CIMB Islamic SmallCap Fund
CIMB Islamic Balanced Fund

Foreign Fund
CIMB Islamic Global Commodities Fund

Parking Fund/Facility
CIMB Islamic Sukuk Fund

all have its own risk and performance. i may use them depends on current surroundings/situation. drool.gif

and u wont find all these funds in FSM. u need to go through CWA UTMC or CIMB Bank. sad.gif
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All under CIMB. Good return ? CWA UTMC ?
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post Dec 11 2012, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 11 2012, 08:37 PM)
1st started in 2008, got overly aggressive during 2009-2010 (overweighted equities, mainly Asian and Emerging Markets), panicked during 2010 and sold most of my holdings then.

Restarted this year with a portfolio approach and most likely will remain invested til I retire. wink.gif
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panic sale during 2010, did you still manage profit ?


Added on December 11, 2012, 9:00 pm
QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 11 2012, 08:41 PM)

im not sure the correct definitions of return whether from distribution or what, but im more on capital gain. that's why i rely on the funds movement. thumbup.gif
Your Fund Movement referring to ? how you define fund movement ?

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post Dec 11 2012, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 11 2012, 09:00 PM)
When I say panic sale, of cos I sold out at a loss, and a quite significant one too (more than -20%). cry.gif

But this year already recovered everything, now my portfolio as a whole from 2008 to date is giving me IRR of 5.2% p.a. smile.gif
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just concern bro who know your panic sale still manage some profit lerr. -20% only, during that time economic downturn sure all in red lo, as you know UT mean for long term investment i wonder why you are impatient 2 years only already desperate sale.
if say you keep it instead of sale would it be different ?
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post Dec 12 2012, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 12 2012, 09:21 PM)
Minimum initial investment is not relevant to switch-in

U can switch in/out as long as the minimum holding requirement is met
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i c. any charges for switching in between these two fund ?
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post Dec 12 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 12 2012, 10:29 PM)
Asia Quantum SC = 2%
Select Bond SC = 1.5%

When u switch from AQ to SB, zero charges. U get 0.5% "credit" to be utilised for future switching
When u switch from SB to AQ, u will incur 0.5% SC

Get it?
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say if i sale my SB how may i utilize the 0.5% ?

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post Dec 13 2012, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 12 2012, 11:57 PM)
When u later switch from SB to AQ or any other HwangIM fund with 2% SC, u will get free switching.
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yes understood. my question is what if i sale my SB without performing any further switching after i switch from AQ to SB. my credited 0.5% how to utilize ?
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post Dec 13 2012, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 13 2012, 12:18 AM)
huh... redirect me to main page wor.
hm not helpful ... well i guess the answer is switching from AQ to SB and then sale SB i will never utilize the 0.5%


Added on December 13, 2012, 12:56 amsay for example AQ (SC=2%, min investment = RM 500) and SB (SC=1.5%, min investment = RM 500) both NAV price at 1.000 and I have RM 1,000 to invest.

scenario a
buy AQ lump sum RM 1,000.00

purchase prc units nav invest amt sc % sc amt
RM 1,000.00 980.39 1.0000 RM 980.39 2.00% RM 19.61

then switching from AQ's RM 500 to SB

purchase prc units nav invest amt sc % sc amt
RM 480.39 480.39 1.0000 RM 480.39 2.00% RM 19.61
RM 500.00 500.00 1.0000 RM 500.00
RM 980.39

scenario b
buy AQ and SB evenly RM 500.00 each with my available money

purchase prc units nav invest amt sc % sc amt
RM 500.00 490.20 1.0000 RM 490.20 2.00% RM 9.80
RM 500.00 492.61 1.0000 RM 492.61 1.50% RM 7.39
RM 982.81 RM 17.19

correct me if i m wrong, your method / strategy of purchase AQ switch to SB have slightly losses in term of initial investment value and let say i sale my SB with performing further switching. slightly disadvantages.



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post Dec 14 2012, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 14 2012, 07:54 PM)
Bro.. Asia Quantum having 1% sales charge. Making me lagi tempted to go in now.Another plus is just after dividend (though not much effect).. tongue.gif
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if u no perform any switching from SB fund to other equity fund you wont get back your 0.5% right ?

btw what is normal price for AQ?

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post Dec 14 2012, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 14 2012, 09:43 PM)
What's the 0.5% "loss" compared to potential loss u may suffer if u go 100% into AQ and then equities plunge?


Added on December 14, 2012, 9:44 pm

What are u waiting for? drool.gif
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No bro you read back may statement what i mean is, from your available $ you allocate 50% to AQ and 50% to SB may save your SC charge compare to 100% dump to AQ than switching to SB. if you forgotten to switching SB to other equity fund you may loss 0.5 %.


Added on December 14, 2012, 10:44 pm
QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 14 2012, 09:51 PM)
yea.. already buy in for 1K. Just need to do bank transfer only..


Added on December 14, 2012, 9:53 pm

Bro.. dont quite understand your 1st Q.

2nd Q, you mean normal sales charge? If yes, it is 2%. Now is 1% for this promotion.
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wrongly type my statement, revised already

promotion apply to selected fund only right ?

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post Dec 14 2012, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 14 2012, 10:49 PM)
yeah.. only selected funds
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So you are averaging down your Hwang Asia Quantum Fund NAV right ?
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post Dec 15 2012, 06:39 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 15 2012, 06:15 AM)
No bro, buy in new fund for me..
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in my consideration list of fund but d nav price quite high now

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