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aoisky
post Dec 16 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 15 2012, 10:05 AM)
Write back of impaired investments.
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Meaning ?
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post Dec 16 2012, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 16 2012, 05:47 PM)
Sorry I used an accounting/finance term tongue.gif

Let me put it in simple language...

RHB decides that ABC Bond may be irrecoverable becos ABC may be bankrupt or having cash flow problem
RHB will write off ABC Bond
Subsequently situation at ABC changed, RHB may write back the value of ABC Bond
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thanks for the explanation.

can you please direct to the point for this RHB Islamic Bond Fund, i believe everyone following this thread would like to know more about it.
your simple language ABC bond referring to RHB Islamic Bond Fund ?


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post Dec 16 2012, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 16 2012, 07:07 PM)
haha...


Added on December 16, 2012, 7:11 pmNext week do you guys thing Asian market will fall a bit? tongue.gif
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why you think so bro ?

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post Dec 16 2012, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 16 2012, 07:38 PM)
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RHB is the fund manager for RHB Islamic Bond Fund
They bought dunno what bond, and that bond was impaired due to doubts over its recoverability (the company which issue the bond had cash flow issues if I'm not mistaken)
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hmm.gif of course RHB is the fund manager for RHB islamic bond fund. straight to the point bro, some of us neither account nor finance background, that is why we are here to learn n share knowledge. i wonder from where you get the info ?
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post Dec 16 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 16 2012, 09:49 PM)
I was never interested in that fund, why would I remember the details shakehead.gif

FSM did a write-up on that fund before to explain the drop of NAV back then
So, the recent spike in NAV should be writeback of the impaired bond it held
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I see. Okay thanks
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post Dec 16 2012, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
tips - look for a bond fund with massive drop of NAV

gamble on it brows.gif
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seriously ? what is good about bond fund ya ?
I'm having 9 fund all equity.
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post Dec 16 2012, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 16 2012, 11:00 PM)
Hehe.. need some diversification bro..
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how bout your current holding ? more on bond fund ?
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post Dec 16 2012, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 16 2012, 11:08 PM)
Ya.. too much overweight on bond now. This is due to previous AmDynamic closing, so I dump more into it..
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so your am dynamic bond any good news ?
bond not volatile as equity and more aggressive


Added on December 16, 2012, 11:17 pm
QUOTE(kucingfight @ Dec 16 2012, 11:10 PM)
it was TRACOMA bond. i was hit hard that time, sold them away when it was about breaking even (earn some)..and now, it's recovered..  doh.gif  talking bout twice bitten  vmad.gif


Added on December 16, 2012, 11:14 pm

i'm too on bond, 100% .. most weight age on PBIBF (public bank islamic bond fund)..DDI/month. yeah, yield's dropping..but oh well..
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so is TRACOMA bond.

btw do you mean your fund allocation 100% on Bond ? what advantages on bond ?

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post Dec 16 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 16 2012, 11:24 PM)
Bro.. not sure what you mean by more aggresive?!!

AmDynamic not much good news, hhaha.. yield has been dropping. But still alot better than FD.
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you see the risk rating (equity 5 - 10) meanwhile (bond 1-5). you see the YTD% equity can reach 2 digit and of course - 2 digit as well, bond mostly 1 digit but hardly fell below -
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post Dec 17 2012, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 17 2012, 07:38 AM)
FSM did an article before in their magazine, and showed that the best portfolio is a balanced portfolio nod.gif


Added on December 17, 2012, 7:40 amaoisky, u need to learn more on UTs and bond funds...
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Ya that is why i am here seek for experience investor knowledge and opinion.

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post Dec 18 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 18 2012, 02:39 PM)
I think it might go down in the sense of equity market valuation. Economically, I don't think ASEAN will see a major downturn.
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why ? based on what ?



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post Dec 18 2012, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Dec 18 2012, 09:43 PM)
No people can predict this..will or not depend on various factor. Pink just trying to give his opinion. For me I guess more or less will giving an impact as its fund manager to decide where to put the money in. *Disclaimer: Just my opinion *
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of course we wouldn't know how the market will goes, all just based on opinion and prediction. i'm just curious only because pink active in UT that is why i'm asking may be he has internal news or some insider informer i don't know just ask

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post Dec 19 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 19 2012, 02:47 PM)
Kesimpulannya - jangan terbawa-bawa dengan emosi pasaran saham dunia thumbup.gif

I still think my 70% bond 30% equity portfolio too conservative doh.gif
Want to increase equity allocation but hard to push myself do it with the market keep going up and up and up doh.gif
Portfolio IRR now: 5.3% hmm.gif
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market going up and up then is good sign for you to sale some of your units. the market ups and downs when the market going down you gt ur ammo to shop again
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post Dec 20 2012, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 20 2012, 01:09 AM)
Sell for what? Every month when salary is paid I got additional ammo. Too much ammo put aside is wasteful doh.gif
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ho ho ho..
if got good profit why not sell during high price, market is fluctuate when market down u can buy back o try invest in others fund. well when u in sudden need of ammo then u will regret why u didn't stock ur ammo. there are a lot of fund for u to load ur ammo.
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post Dec 21 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Dec 20 2012, 11:26 AM)
PRS.....good idea?
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what do you think ?
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post Dec 25 2012, 08:18 PM

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Hi Mr. Wong how to invest in REIT ?
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post Dec 25 2012, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 25 2012, 08:56 PM)
Hi Aoisky.
Take a peek @ http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2498000/+460#entry57048773
and the previous "versions" V3 and V2.
I think i posted a "how to" in V3 (the previous version).


Added on December 25, 2012, 9:01 pm
Oh.. heheh  doh.gif my bad.

er.. what's the diff between former & later ar?
One is $ from UT, one is $ from REITs - both assumed to be same size & returns %.  sweat.gif
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Thanks Wong Sifoo


Added on December 25, 2012, 9:05 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2012, 08:45 PM)
Err, my question is not strictly REITs vs UTs, but cREITs/dividend-yielding equities vs UT investing

The former option will have u dumping all your excess cash into equities and enjoying life on the dividend cheques

The latter will have u letting your portfolio grow while u enjoy the excess cash (incomes less expenses and financial commitments) u have monthly
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is REITs and dividend-yielding equities same ?

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post Dec 25 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2012, 10:21 PM)
BAT, GAB, Maxis, PBB etc are all dividend-yielding equities, but they are not REITs

Axis, Hektar, UOAREIT etc are BOTH REITs and equities


Added on December 25, 2012, 10:24 pm

No, got A BIT difference.

If u let your UT portfolio profits accumulate and spend your excess cash, your portfolio may experience negative growth due to market losses

If u invest your excess cash and spend your dividend cheques, u are spending your investment returns.

No difference? hmm.gif
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I bought Axis share few years back now PN17 status and i lost money on it.

your statement for both quite confusing

let your UT portfolio profits accumulate and spend your excess cash - do you mean use existing UT investment accumulate profit to reinvest in UT ? your excess cash not spending on UT ? how about dividend yield take out or reinvest you didn't mention it.
invest your excess cash and spend your dividend cheques - do you mean using excess money to on UT and take out dividend for spending ?

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post Dec 25 2012, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2012, 10:55 PM)
I meant Axis REIT

ok let me clarify with an example...

(1)
u already have a large RM100,000 UT portfolio, portfolio IRR about 5% so annually it grows RM5,000 i.e. RM417 per month
your monthly salary - expenses - financial commitments = RM400
so, u spend your RM400. let your UT portfolio grow i.e. stop topping up

(2)
u have equity investments of RM100,000. the equity portfolio is yielding about 5%
your monthly salary - expenses - financial commitments = RM400
so, every month u dump the RM400 into your sharebroking trust account, every quarter/half-yearly u will buy more shares to top up
when u receive your dividend cheque(s) totalling RM5,000 (let's just say), u spend it

understand the difference?
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you can't compare like that, UT and sharebroking different type of investment category. Therefore your portfolio's profit / loss yield for both may vary.

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post Dec 27 2012, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2012, 11:27 PM)
of course not 100% comparable

so, I'm asking, which u prefer

spend ur excess cash and let your portfolio roll, or
spend your investment returns and invest your excess cash
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Well, lets tell us what your choice then and what is yours (a) or (b) currently you are practicing. I think most likely you are (b)

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