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Gecko
post Mar 23 2013, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Mar 23 2013, 02:42 PM)
You are very kind, thank you.

Maybe i illustrate my question like this,
i am current carry a short bow as my weapon, but every time when i attack the monster by left click i am throwing out 4 nos of spider which is corpse spiders skill. Thus i am confuse.
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yw .. np at all . no point wasting em on brim lolz
i think i get what u r trying to ask now
dmg will be calculated > weapon dps (ur bow) multiplied by the type of attack u choose (corpse spider modifier is 120% wpn dmg) then multiplied by other dmg modifiers (chc, chd, intel, ias, avg dmg etc)
u will nvr see arrows coming out of ur attack even when u r using a bow since attack animation depend on what type of attack ur class chooses (im not sure if u set normal/no skill attack on LMB tho)
btw why do u use bow as ur WD wpn lolz? afaik bow will be considered as 2h wpn so u cant equip a mojo on offhand and im sure u cant equip a quiver like DH does... from what ive seen apart from Skorn as the most used 2h wpn on WD .. Manticore (leg xbow) is another viable option (2 sock manti with 1 ruby + 1 emerald)
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post Mar 23 2013, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Mar 23 2013, 04:49 PM)
yw .. np at all . no point wasting em on brim lolz
i think i get what u r trying to ask now
dmg will be calculated > weapon dps (ur bow) multiplied by the type of attack u choose (corpse spider modifier is 120% wpn dmg) then multiplied by other dmg modifiers (chc, chd, intel, ias, avg dmg etc)
u will nvr see arrows coming out of ur attack even when u r using a bow since attack animation depend on what type of attack ur class chooses (im not sure if u set normal/no skill attack on LMB tho)
btw why do u use bow as ur WD wpn lolz? afaik bow will be considered as 2h wpn so u cant equip a mojo on offhand and im sure u cant equip a quiver like DH does... from what ive seen apart from Skorn as the most used 2h wpn on WD .. Manticore (leg xbow) is another viable option (2 sock manti with 1 ruby + 1 emerald)
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Understand now. Thanks for the explanation.
Haha, i use bow due to it's vampiric effect.
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post Mar 24 2013, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Mar 23 2013, 11:33 PM)
Understand now. Thanks for the explanation.
Haha, i use bow due to it's vampiric effect.
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yw .. alrdy accepted ur fren rqst in-game
if ure going for vampiric effect on 2h wpn ... Skorn with Lifesteal is the best but its quite expansive bcos Lifesteal is not a fixed roll/affix.
Alternatively u can use Vigilance which is quite cheap compared to Skorn ... Lifesteal is a fixed affix on Vigilance .. just look for 1.3 - 1.4k dps with random roll of 150% critical hit dmg or more (chance to freeze @ stun is the best btw).

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post Mar 25 2013, 09:26 AM

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watsup guys... ytd login with my new rig... happy smooth now...

played with lksing to test test... i really forgot how to play already... sad.gif
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Mar 25 2013, 09:26 AM)
watsup guys... ytd login with my new rig... happy smooth now...

played with lksing to test test... i really forgot how to play already... sad.gif
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wb Henry rclxms.gif my WD now going for long vacation after finally reaching PL100 biggrin.gif
atm i'm ooking for a rare spear 1.1k dps (minimum) with LS + OS + CHD bcos i plan to go back to 1h + mojo setup for my WD .. also waiting for ilvl63 Homunculus to do 0dog build tongue.gif
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Mar 25 2013, 09:38 AM)
wb Henry  rclxms.gif my WD now going for long vacation after finally reaching PL100  biggrin.gif
atm i'm ooking for a rare spear 1.1k dps (minimum) with LS + OS + CHD bcos i plan to go back to 1h + mojo setup for my WD .. also waiting for ilvl63 Homunculus to do 0dog build  tongue.gif
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tq tq...

ya saw u pl100 already... good ni... only me stucked forever LOL...

i think i will less play d3 alr as need to finish sc2 1st... then only see want to continue or not...

need farm brim to craft... tongue.gif
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post Mar 25 2013, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Mar 25 2013, 09:41 AM)
tq tq...

ya saw u pl100 already... good ni... only me stucked forever LOL...

i think i will less play d3 alr as need to finish sc2 1st... then only see want to continue or not...

need farm brim to craft... tongue.gif
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haha i can donate u free brims if u want ... got so many edi lolz ... if bliz allow i oso can donate as many demonic essence (hv more than 1k DE now haha) .. only gems & tomes i cannot donate tongue.gif
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post Mar 29 2013, 01:27 PM

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post Apr 8 2013, 12:12 AM

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Hye guys, i'm trying to build bear's build for my WD. Apprecite ur assistance for any improvement for my noob WD.
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post Apr 8 2013, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 8 2013, 12:12 AM)
Hye guys, i'm trying to build bear's build for my WD. Apprecite ur assistance for any improvement for my noob WD.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FE3DOE-6358/hero/29420001
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Change your belt to TWH.
It's going to shine when when the DPS is more than 150K DPS.

Change your pants to rare, with high INT & VIT + 2 sockets.

You can also try some other skills.
You can replace gargantuan with big bad voodoo/slam dance The reason is you don't need gargantuan to do damage.
Or you can try horrify/frightening aspect for armor boost.
Either an all-out offensive or defensive skill.
Both skills are good during elite fight (with arcane under your feet).

Passive skill, you can replace grave injustice with vision quest.
Both are good. Just choose one that works for you.
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post Apr 8 2013, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 8 2013, 10:12 AM)
Change your belt to TWH.
It's going to shine when when the DPS is more than 150K DPS.

Change your pants to rare, with high INT & VIT + 2 sockets.

You can also try some other skills.
You can replace gargantuan with big bad voodoo/slam dance The reason is you don't need gargantuan to do damage.
Or you can try horrify/frightening aspect for armor boost.
Either an all-out offensive or defensive skill.
Both skills are good during elite fight (with arcane under your feet).

Passive skill, you can replace grave injustice with vision quest.
Both are good. Just choose one that works for you.
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i see, more like depth digger pant.. rolleyes.gif 12ms for WD is ok?
will try to change that later and see how it goes for higher MP. Thanks aleune. As of now can play mp6-7 solo.. maybe my WD need some love after my monk reach p100.
but hey, WD is awesome too. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 8 2013, 10:21 AM)
i see, more like depth digger pant.. rolleyes.gif 12ms for WD is ok?
will try to change that later and see how it goes for higher MP. Thanks aleune. As of now can play mp6-7 solo.. maybe my WD need some love after my monk reach p100.
but hey, WD is awesome too.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Depth digger pants are good. Good option.

12% MS is ok. You may need some time to get used to it (since you are used to fast MS on other heroes).
You can have more MS if you want.
If you need more MS, I'd suggest get MS from bracer i/o pants.
This is because you lose too many EHP if you use Inna's pants.
(Mana is still manageable with 1.18 attack speed. You just need to be careful with your left click/bears spamming).

I believe your current build is good enough up to MP8 solo.
Try Horrify/frightening aspect. Use horrify when your spirit walk is cooling down. Use spirit walk when horrify is cooling down. It will give you better survivability during elite/boss fight.
Try some key runs @ A1/A2/A3.
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post Apr 8 2013, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 8 2013, 10:41 AM)
Depth digger pants are good. Good option.

12% MS is ok. You may need some time to get used to it (since you are used to fast MS on other heroes).
You can have more MS if you want.
If you need more MS, I'd suggest get MS from bracer i/o pants.
This is because you lose too many EHP if you use Inna's pants.
(Mana is still manageable with 1.18 attack speed. You just need to be careful with your left click/bears spamming).

I believe your current build is good enough up to MP8 solo.
Try Horrify/frightening aspect. Use horrify when your spirit walk is cooling down. Use spirit walk when horrify is cooling down. It will give you better survivability during elite/boss fight.
Try some key runs @ A1/A2/A3.
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ok thanks aleune. i'll try to change the pant + belt and see how it goes.
spirit walk into the mob,Soul harvest,hex + bears = FTW!!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
And thanks to hulkie too for the tips. smile.gif

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post Apr 9 2013, 10:45 AM

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aleune & hulkie any tips for the bear spamming skill? keep draining mana to zero when spamming bear, especially when mp9..haha
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post Apr 9 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 9 2013, 10:45 AM)
aleune & hulkie any tips for the bear spamming skill? keep draining mana to zero when spamming bear, especially when mp9..haha
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Hahaha... it is your left-click/bears spamming.
You need to release left click every 3-4 seconds and throw your corpse spiders intermittently.

Another option you can look into is, get an SoJ with -mana Zombie Charger.
Look for a 28-29% elite damage SoJ with -10 mana zombie charger.
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post Apr 9 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 9 2013, 10:45 AM)
aleune & hulkie any tips for the bear spamming skill? keep draining mana to zero when spamming bear, especially when mp9..haha
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There's 2 option to increase mana regen for WD so Bear spamming wont result in OOM:
1) As Aleune pointed out .. use Vision Quest passive (take out Grave Injustice if u r not using BBV since at higher mp mobs die slower and medium CD skills such as SW, SH wont need GI passive) .. in between bear spam keep throwing at least 1 jar of spider so that VQ is always active.
2) Another viable alternative i just found out (but hv yet to test) is to use Rush of Essence passive instead of VQ & change Widowmakers to Spirit Barrage-The Spirit is Willing .. from what i read RoE stacks so its much better that VQ since ur other skills such as SW & SH also triggers RoE .. plus SB dmg is higher than Widowmaker ... Use Bears to clear large packs & when 1-2 mob left use SB.

Btw i prefer rare pants to get higher EHP bcos u can get high armor from it + double resist (physcl @ poison res is good choice). Once u hv high armor try use Horrify/FA n see how tanky u can be biggrin.gif playing higher mp 24% MS for WD is not important since mobs dont die that fast .. if u wanna speed farm lower mp, change Zuni Marrow to Tyreal Might to get that xtra 12% MS (the xtra dmg to demon n elite also helps clear low mp super fast).

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Apr 9 2013, 11:20 AM)
There's 2 option to increase mana regen for WD so Bear spamming wont result in OOM:
1) As Aleune pointed out .. use Vision Quest passive (take out Grave Injustice if u r not using BBV since at higher mp mobs die slower and medium CD skills such as SW, SH wont need GI passive) .. in between bear spam keep throwing at least 1 jar of spider so that VQ is always active.
2) Another viable alternative i just found out (but hv yet to test) is to use Rush of Essence passive instead of VQ & change Widowmakers to Spirit Barrage-The Spirit is Willing .. from what i read RoE stacks so its much better that VQ since ur other skills such as SW & SH also triggers RoE .. plus SB dmg is higher than Widowmaker ... Use Bears to clear large packs & when 1-2 mob left use SB.

Btw i prefer rare pants to get higher EHP bcos u can get high armor from it + double resist (physcl @ poison res is good choice). Once u hv high armor try use Horrify/FA n see how tanky u can be  biggrin.gif  playing higher mp 24% MS for WD is not important since mobs dont die that fast .. if u wanna speed farm lower mp, change Zuni Marrow to Tyreal Might to get that xtra 12% MS (the xtra dmg to demon n elite also helps clear low mp super fast).
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i see, will try that. Maybe later you guys can carry my noob wd farming mp10. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 9 2013, 10:45 AM)
aleune & hulkie any tips for the bear spamming skill? keep draining mana to zero when spamming bear, especially when mp9..haha
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don't mouse down all da way, I LMB is still on spider and the bear are on my key 1.
2 hand 2 fingers is better than 1H2F tongue.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 9 2013, 11:42 AM)
don't mouse down all da way, I LMB is still on spider and the bear are on my key 1.
2 hand 2 fingers is better than 1H2F tongue.gif
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yup so true biggrin.gif i recently changed my bears from Rmb to button 1 ... i assign Rmb to Spirit Walk for those "oh-shit" moments
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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 9 2013, 11:41 AM)
i see, will try that. Maybe later you guys can carry my noob wd farming mp10.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  drool.gif
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eversince hitting PL100 my WD is so lazy biggrin.gif maybe i wake him up from hibernation to try SB + Bears combo later tongue.gif wanna see if RoE can stack >> Spirit Walk + Soul Harvest + Spirit Barrage = 3x49 mana over 10 seconds + 44 mana per hit for SB/TSiW .. seems like a legit/working mana regen

Spirit Barrage-The Soul is Willing + Rush of Essence for mana regen TESTED:

Today i tried using Spirit Barrage-The Soul is Willing to replace Corpse Spider-Widowmaker as my main attack & changed Spirit Vessel passive to Rush of Essence (i could take out Grave Injustice but since i'm using BBV i need the cooldown from GI to use BBV as often as i can). Playing pub mp10 Breached Keep quest with the new mana regen of RoE, i nvr once run out of mana even when spamming bear (i use SB when my mana pool go below 75% @ when few mobs left). Also mana regen of RoE is stackable with every spirit spell u use (in my case Spirit Walk, Soul Harvest @ Spirit Barrage.. thats why i keep Grave Injustice so i can keep spamming these spells), not to mention the 44 mana per hit from TSiW rune.
Conclusion: SB+RoE is much better than Widowmaker+Vision QUest in terms of more/faster mana regen & also more dps (comparing SB against Widowmaker %wpn dmg multiplier)


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