then u are not following close enough ..and u still in ur sweet dream bro

zaman tu pon kita tak main posession football short passing etc ..still the same old english direct football

we were and we are still playing direct football ...

sbb tu la kene set dpd skolah ...terapkan teknikal ability, not tactical ..

kalau dari skolah semua skill power, bila masuk state level any tactic pon bley masuk ..

cara hold bola, create space, etc ..mana boleh blajar thru frenly matches!

perlukan skolah ..hari2 brainwash mcm mana nak create spacing tu ..cewah aku ckp mcm pakar je tp keyboard warrior je pon ..

aku mmg tak brape stuju nak ckp team dulu ..selepas era supermokh kita main bagus ...bagus dlm liga semi-pro la, internationaly kita jauh giler ketinggalan ..

kita dah tau posession football mmg sesuai utk player2 pendek ..benda ni kene ajar masa muda2, bukan masa player dpt gaji 80k sebulan ..

mungkin boleh, selepas dorg main liga luar la ..bukan dlm liga-M

"eh? kenapa main liga-M best je dorg main tiki-taka? best je short passing?"

memang la boleh ! tengok la bape besar GAP SPACING YG OPPONENTS TEAM TU BAGI! ..
bila compete AFC jahanam ..nasib baik kelantan cover skit malu tu ..

heheeh

In my opinion,

Dah terlambat nk main total football sume kalau corak permainan masa friendly di apply dalam competition ni..kita ada TUJUH defenders main dalam first eleven (SAFIQ,AMAR,GARY) >kalau semua masuk kesebelasan utama. Bleh apply taktik 7-2-1..Attacking football mcm da x releven dgn team ni..so,THE BEST TACTIC EVER FOR MALAYSIA TO WIN THIS CUP IS..





PARK THE BUS.. Chelseh style!

P/s:Malaysia boleh men attacking sebenarnya..Just repeat the same thing they did when they won against LIONS 2-0 (Shakir,Safiq) in previous encounter at Bukit Jalil.

wrong! u cannot say "dont need to be perfect" but u want to play posession football !! what nonsense!!
in possesion football , YES u have to be perfect , or u jsut 1 of the circus team just play for entertainment, and not to win.

of course to win with posession need perfection! every passing should be perfect!

senior players dah takde harapan. senior players all are in their comfort zone. senior players already made their fame and name. they dont have the passion anymore. all are acting. they just play their best for their country as been told. main demi maruah la, main demi negara la, memerah kudrat without brain. no point argue with these set of players. matyo is 1 good example from champions to johor what a mess!


i dont know bangla league, but the way i see it, if all the players in bangla league play like the way they play us , unfortunately yes...their league could be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then our league!

but that was just an assumption based on 1 friendly match.

this is what happen when we are sooo into barca and dreaming of our team to play like them

yes, we can ..we can play posession football by different coach, but we will see another sacking coz we dun get any result, only entertainment due to not focusing on perfection!

japan, korea, etc, ..tengok la fitness n their league mcm mana .. instead of copying the way they play, why not copying their league?????

later we jcan only play posesion football and draw, and lost, and draw ..just like bangla keh keh keh ..seri 1-1 horray !!!

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Added on November 24, 2012, 1:16 amplaying posession football without perfect passing is just a dumb dumb dumb dumb idea u dont know what u are talking about ..shishhhh ..

dont need to be perfect, tp nak main tiki taka .. perfect passing ..kalau tak perfect, bagi perfect ..kalau tak reti nak pass perfect, tk payah main posession football because u cannot play posession football without perfect passing !! adoiy mak jemah !!

This post has been edited by mdnosz: Nov 24 2012, 01:16 AM

Cuba ko bagi komen shikit. Bagi ko lar, Kelantan main possession football ke tak?

This post has been edited by DanInoDan: Nov 24 2012, 01:19 AM

at that time gurusamy is the main factor in the midfield. just watch the full match again. its a pity for him suddenly injured.

Part 1 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5GfjdrmME
Part 2 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSOGv0CjlY
Part 3 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoHvhnrNw1Q
Part 4 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEchDu0CvEQ

Setuju!and at that time, Malaysia mmg main dgn mentaliti JUARA masa lawan Singapore ni..this is what we need.

aha. Guru. some hate him, some love him. But he is good in what he do.

maybe OKS ade buktikan somehing, ..the middle 3 midfild provide beautiful short passing, but we are not playing posession football just yet ... kita tengok vietnam, thailand, bangla, main posession football so kita nak main mcm dorang .. why not we counter their tactic with our set of players?? why bother play like them?

yes, we can try ..but why? for the sake of entertainment??

wey ..u guys already know how to beat barca ..chelsea la, mourinho la .. y not use it as our weapon ?

posession football .. pass pass pass ..then pas pass .. eh lost posession then kena sebijik! ..then pas pass ..then pass pass ...eh lost posession kene counter attack then kena 2 biji ... pstu gelabah semua main long ball crossing in the penalty box ...that will happen if we dont have players with perfect passing!

first of all you need to differentiate between tiki taka and possession based football. tiki taka is an improvement of total football when the Spanish clearly see that Dutch total football cannot win you competition and they start introducing tiki taka which is essentially one touch short passing football with high pressing to get the ball back. but in order to do that you need tremendous stamina and players of the highest technical ability and footballing brain to perform it.

Tiki taka is just a branch of possession football.

You can have possession football with 4-4-2. no need 3 midfielders but your SS must be very good and can convert to AM when necessary.

I dont say malaysia must try tiki taka football. obvious we wont make it so we try basic possession football first. its something that OKS is trying hard with his team. thats y you can see he keep trying to put thamil arasu and Hazwan bakri on the wing and play as WF on certain matches to make sure that they learn the art of converting position on the field during matchday. possession football normally need the front 4 or front 3 to interchange and get away from their markers. that is why.

Back to your question about Kelantan. they play basic possession football but still not so impressive. but slowly the likes of shakir and piya understand what bojan needs from them. its a good thing. watch the matches vs arbil and you can see what i mean. both matches home and away. at iraq they play defensively and try to keep possesion whenever they get it to avoid attack from arbil. the first half its still 1-1. but suddenly in 2nd half the coach suddenly take off nik shahrul if im right and play 3 at the back. kelantan immediately fall to pressure and flow of goal come in for arbil. it shows that you can still play defensive possession football. somemore at that time farhan, matyo and indra is not available. remember?


ok lets see what happen for the 2nd match .they play full flowing attacking football from the start. if not of woeful finishing from the likes of afiq azmi and indra they should have scored 3 or four goals. that was admitted by arbil coach himself. he is really impressed with kelantan at that time. just search the news back then.



one more thing igt tak what bojan said before and after the to matches vs arbil? before the match he said that kelantan clearly dont have the chance to beat the arabs. but after the two matches he said to the media that he is convinced that kelantan can match arbil next year.

it means as a coach he realized he underestimate his team at the start. and after the matches he realized they have what it takes to compete in afc. this further supported by the statement by him the last two weeks. he said that he cannot see why malaysia cannot win the aff. with the players that we have he said only Thailand can match us. just search for the news/article if you dont believe me.

This post has been edited by iconia17: Nov 24 2012, 02:07 AM

Ya quite agree. Mentally part also must be consider. RG suruh main short pass kalau player sendiri dah gelabah main long ball nak cari gol x guna jugak . And it what I can see when Malaysia down

with these set of players? no they cant. never will.
need a new set of players with a new coach.


good story bro, but funny ..posession football defensively to avoid attack ..and still losing ..just a prove that they are not good enough. how can u say it will work at national level? dreaming? this is not fantasy football bro

no, he just said that to cover his ass.. and we believe him.

but good try.

Sekureng kurengnya diorang mencuba. Berani untuk bersaing di peringkat tertinggi dan melakukan yang terbaik untuk bermain tiki taka ataupun possession football.

This post has been edited by DanInoDan: Nov 24 2012, 02:32 AM

Right afraid of trying is the problem with malaysians actually. sports politic the same thing is happening. they forgot that in order to improve we need to try different things with different mentality.

Same as the case of proton actually. no matter how hard they tried malaysians will always condemn not good enough etc2. its a cancer in our society sadly

hohoho.. save 60 ringgit. nanti dapat 2 helai baju panthera ngan 2 poster harimau malaya sekali.. best jugak la kan.
aku perasan banyak pulak contest utk menang tiket game aff neh.

video baru tak ready lagi ke encik aweeff?

One more day to feast the kesangapan ini...

Tuan presiden kasi turun.rombak mgmt atasan fam.improve liga m..baru pikir tiki taka ke possesion football ke maestro ke ape ke..tukar la coach mn pn..player mn pn..cam tu gk jln citer dier..

sorry ler aku menyampuk pasal possession football ni memandangkan aku silent lurker kat thread ni...

kelakar gak nak soh M'sia main possession football... our senior don't have the composure, passing, technical to play it.

OKS mungkin boleh la... dah training semua group of player yg sama... hari2 aku tgk muka kau... kau tgk muka aku... so dah masak dengan satu sama lain...

Kelantan boleh main basic possession pun sebab hari2 dok training dgn org sama and team sama... makan, tidur, berlari dgn org sama... so by training together most of the time boleh la cover sket dengan tactical + teamwork...

Our NT berapa kali je training bersama? cecah satu season dlm setahun? so susah nak main possession football ni... melain kan the mention above skill mmg dah ader...

mungkin orang kater 4-4-2 tu lapuk... tapi tu je yg boleh dipakai kat NT... then mcm bro mdnozs cakap Ultra defensive... cuma NT kena kurangkan cross bola jauh... better main direct and compact... high defensive line... and Apek one-on-one takde hal... bleh perform..

but in the end... RG juga yg set tactic... walaupun pengalaman aku hanya manager FM... memang betul la ape RG kata... "saya kenal pemain saya"... so we have to do our part... give 100% support to our NT...

P/s: hanya bagi pendapat ... dan aku main bola xde la reti... cuma pengalaman jd manager dr CM'96...

This post has been edited by exkaizen: Nov 24 2012, 08:44 AM

Interesting points.

Kelantan = main basic possession football sebab hari2 dok training dgn org sama and team sama... makan, tidur, berlari dgn org sama... so by training together most of the time boleh la cover sket dengan tactical + teamwork...

Malaysia = playing to the players' strength. Harap2 boleh jadi macam team Mourinho betul2 la, moreover sebelum ni dah proven to deliver results.

OKS's team = team of the future.

Ada tak cara nak combine kan sedikit sebanyak features ketiga2 team ni? Memang dah ada wakil dari setiap team ni dari a few players mcm Apek, Mat Yo, Gary Robbat, Wan Zack keh keh keh

This post has been edited by Icahn: Nov 24 2012, 09:25 AM

I will said use oks team as the backbone, and pull other players in.

Yup... I thinks this will be a better team... Nak combine features tiga2... Need OKS team as the core... We can add subra for defence... So will be mahali-fadhli-subra-fandi... Midfield we could use wan zack-gary-nazmi-any good winger.... Striker we still need safee (for his experience and his build) and hazwan... Subs will be safiq(deadball specialist still needed as long can gives a point) or any OKS pleyer need to gain safiq speciality, badd, guru, khyril, rozaimi n etc

This post has been edited by exkaizen: Nov 24 2012, 10:54 AM

team RG xle maen high defensive line lg. too easy losing the ball, we will get murdered on the counter