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iconia17
post Nov 23 2012, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Nov 23 2012, 11:33 PM)
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not really. the problem is with the tactic and kuna himself. he has the ability to cut in but seldom do it. he keeps playing only near the touchline. seldom he went to midfield and help keep possession. this limits zubir option to go forward. i guess its also RG tactics to maintain at least at the back with 3 players.

The thing with RG wingers is, they cannot go infield and become 3rd midfielders to help keep position. we are playing quite rigid 4-4-2. not fluid at all. midfield really dependent on safiq and amar to perform or whoever replace them.
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post Nov 23 2012, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Nov 23 2012, 11:40 PM)
not really. the problem is with the tactic and kuna himself. he has the ability to cut in but seldom do it. he keeps playing only near the touchline. seldom he went to midfield and help keep possession. this limits zubir option to go forward. i guess its also RG tactics to maintain at least at the back with 3 players.

The thing with RG wingers is, they cannot go infield and become 3rd midfielders to help keep position. we are playing quite rigid 4-4-2. not fluid at all. midfield really dependent on safiq and amar to perform or whoever replace them.
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aku nampak kita maen 4 4 2 sebab matyo je. kalau tak dulu 4-5-1 je consider kunanlan and amirulhadi as more to mid yg selalu turun.



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Icahn
post Nov 23 2012, 11:55 PM

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Fluidity. Something that we really need...
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post Nov 23 2012, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Nov 23 2012, 11:40 PM)
not really. the problem is with the tactic and kuna himself. he has the ability to cut in but seldom do it. he keeps playing only near the touchline. seldom he went to midfield and help keep possession. this limits zubir option to go forward. i guess its also RG tactics to maintain at least at the back with 3 players.

The thing with RG wingers is, they cannot go infield and become 3rd midfielders to help keep position. we are playing quite rigid 4-4-2. not fluid at all. midfield really dependent on safiq and amar to perform or whoever replace them.
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cutting in is THE ONLY thing that Kuna can do. But after all these regional tournaments and friendlies, even other countries also knows that and they just wait to neutralise it...

he have no choice but to pass back to the LB who have alot of space and time to cross but still in deep position. so we need Lb who can the whip and bend the cross from deep. Fandi have that skill. Zubir and Azmi Muslim dont and need to go further up the byline to cross.

before this kuna always change position with amirul hadi so they can reduce the predictability level a bit. but since the demise of amirul hadi, his replacement seldom change to the left with kuna.

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post Nov 24 2012, 12:05 AM

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ape nih ..?

mana boleh expect set players RG main mcm taktic OKS ? mana mungkin !

yes, RG punya gameplay mmg rigid ..sampai mati la dia pakai 4-4-2 , even waktu dia coach selangor yusri+rusdi combo mmg pakai 4-4-2 dgn winger power jaafar salleh sblah kiri n winger kanan chandran , meletop wooooOooooO!! mana mungkin dia akan tukar taktik yg dia dah memang pakai sejak dulu lagi?

4-4-2 ..luv or hate it, dia dah buktikan dgn taktik rigid buruk giler 4-4-2 dia tu la dpt champion!

ok .. taktic 4-2-3-1 , 4-5-1, 4-1-2-3, pe jadah sume, ..ini angan2 dan harapan peyokong jer hehehe ..
angan2 aku je nak tengok kita main style german! tp hakikatnya mmg 4-4-2 juga la yg disajikan ..terima je la hakikat tu ..

4-4-2 ..direct football ..

kelemahan ketara skali player rajagopal ni bukan sbb taktic rigid dia tu ..tp kelemahan dan kebangangan pemain kita sendiri yg tak reti cross bola, dan tak reti create spaces .. bende ni takkan rajagopal nak ajar kot?

skg ni, yg aku nampak ..(dari mata aku la) yg betul2 boleh cross bola cantik dlm team AFF nih ..
- baddrol
- mahali

2org je ..

cuba tengok siapa yg RG slalu pakai ..
Kiri: Kunalan
Kanan: Alex/WanZack

mana boleh jalan! tak boleh blah lansung !!! mamposssSS!

so buat ape la nak merepek.. main ultra defensive sudaa...

guna kerajinan kunalan/alex/wanzack kacau bola ...guna kepakaran 'long-ball' n set-piece safiq utk score, guna kepakaran 'dribble' matyo utk assist pada safee ...

4-4-2 tanpa org yg betul2 bley crossing ..mana nak menjadi

melainkan RG pakai central atacking midfild
4-4-1-1 ..sama jugak sbb matyo tgh ting-tong !

mungkin sbb tu la RG tak panggil piya ...sbb lansung tak masuk dgn taktik dia tu ..

let say RG tiba2 perasan tiki-taka , dia kene kuarkan safiq, tp takde org yg bley hold bola create spaces mcm nazmi, irfan, piya ...mmg mati la RG kali nih ..

so, berbalik la pd taktik ultra-defensive memerah kudrat ..

just hope that alex+kuna perform AFF nih...

hehehe ...
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post Nov 24 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Nov 24 2012, 12:05 AM)
ape nih ..?

mana boleh expect set players RG main mcm taktic OKS ? mana mungkin !

yes, RG punya gameplay mmg rigid ..sampai mati la dia pakai 4-4-2 , even waktu dia coach selangor yusri+rusdi combo mmg pakai 4-4-2 dgn winger power jaafar salleh sblah kiri n winger kanan chandran , meletop wooooOooooO!! mana mungkin dia akan tukar taktik yg dia dah memang pakai sejak dulu lagi?

4-4-2 ..luv or hate it, dia dah buktikan dgn taktik rigid buruk giler 4-4-2 dia tu la dpt champion!

ok .. taktic 4-2-3-1 , 4-5-1, 4-1-2-3, pe jadah sume, ..ini angan2 dan harapan peyokong jer hehehe ..
angan2 aku je nak tengok kita main style german! tp hakikatnya mmg 4-4-2 juga la yg disajikan ..terima je la hakikat tu ..

4-4-2 ..direct football ..

kelemahan ketara skali player rajagopal ni bukan sbb taktic rigid dia tu ..tp kelemahan dan kebangangan pemain kita sendiri yg tak reti cross bola, dan tak reti create spaces .. bende ni takkan rajagopal nak ajar kot?

skg ni, yg aku nampak ..(dari mata aku la) yg betul2 boleh cross bola cantik dlm team AFF nih ..
- baddrol
- mahali
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2org je ..

cuba tengok siapa yg RG slalu pakai ..
Kiri: Kunalan
Kanan: Alex/WanZack

mana boleh jalan! tak boleh blah lansung !!! mamposssSS!

so buat ape la nak merepek.. main ultra defensive sudaa...

guna kerajinan kunalan/alex/wanzack kacau bola ...guna kepakaran 'long-ball' n set-piece safiq utk score, guna kepakaran 'dribble' matyo utk assist pada safee ...

4-4-2 tanpa org yg betul2 bley crossing ..mana nak menjadi

melainkan RG pakai central atacking midfild
4-4-1-1 ..sama jugak sbb matyo tgh ting-tong !

mungkin sbb tu la RG tak panggil piya ...sbb lansung tak masuk dgn taktik dia tu ..

let say RG tiba2 perasan tiki-taka , dia kene kuarkan safiq, tp takde org yg bley hold bola create spaces mcm nazmi, irfan, piya ...mmg mati la RG kali nih ..

so, berbalik la pd taktik ultra-defensive memerah kudrat ..

just hope that alex+kuna perform AFF nih...

hehehe ...
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Yup bro. Macam yg ko cakap, kita ada players yg boleh main cross, Badd n Mahali. Still fresh in my mind macam mana Badd cross dan Asra head in the net dalam final sea games 2011. Likewise Mahali cross dan Safee head in dalam aff 2010. Mahali ni dah boleh convert to wing or wingback dah ni.

Rajagopal ada players yg boleh buat crossing in his team! Cuma masalahnya dia nak fully utilize the crossing abilities or not! hmm.gif
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post Nov 24 2012, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Nov 24 2012, 12:05 AM)
ape nih ..?

mana boleh expect set players RG main mcm taktic OKS ? mana mungkin !

yes, RG punya gameplay mmg rigid ..sampai mati la dia pakai 4-4-2 , even waktu dia coach selangor yusri+rusdi combo mmg pakai 4-4-2 dgn winger power jaafar salleh sblah kiri n winger kanan chandran , meletop wooooOooooO!! mana mungkin dia akan tukar taktik yg dia dah memang pakai sejak dulu lagi?

4-4-2 ..luv or hate it, dia dah buktikan dgn taktik rigid buruk giler 4-4-2 dia tu la dpt champion!

ok .. taktic 4-2-3-1 , 4-5-1, 4-1-2-3, pe jadah sume, ..ini angan2 dan harapan peyokong jer hehehe ..
angan2 aku je nak tengok kita main style german! tp hakikatnya mmg 4-4-2 juga la yg disajikan ..terima je la hakikat tu ..

4-4-2 ..direct football ..

kelemahan ketara skali player rajagopal ni bukan sbb taktic rigid dia tu ..tp kelemahan dan kebangangan pemain kita sendiri yg tak reti cross bola, dan tak reti create spaces .. bende ni takkan rajagopal nak ajar kot?

skg ni, yg aku nampak ..(dari mata aku la) yg betul2 boleh cross bola cantik dlm team AFF nih ..
- baddrol
- mahali

2org je ..

cuba tengok siapa yg RG slalu pakai ..
Kiri: Kunalan
Kanan: Alex/WanZack

mana boleh jalan! tak boleh blah lansung !!! mamposssSS!

so buat ape la nak merepek.. main ultra defensive sudaa...

guna kerajinan kunalan/alex/wanzack kacau bola ...guna kepakaran 'long-ball' n set-piece safiq utk score, guna kepakaran 'dribble' matyo utk assist pada safee ...

4-4-2 tanpa org yg betul2 bley crossing ..mana nak menjadi

melainkan RG pakai central atacking midfild
4-4-1-1 ..sama jugak sbb matyo tgh ting-tong !

mungkin sbb tu la RG tak panggil piya ...sbb lansung tak masuk dgn taktik dia tu ..

let say RG tiba2 perasan tiki-taka , dia kene kuarkan safiq, tp takde org yg bley hold bola create spaces mcm nazmi, irfan, piya ...mmg mati la RG kali nih ..

so, berbalik la pd taktik ultra-defensive memerah kudrat ..

just hope that alex+kuna perform AFF nih...

hehehe ...
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sometimes with whatever reputation that you have as a coach you must remember that football evolves. no matter how good last year you play with whatever tactic you have sometimes certain things will become obsolete. just watch classic football and modern football you will understand.

the rise of japan and korea+ china in world football coincides with the start of per guardiola tactics. its the best way for small players to play with technical passing rather than fast tempo football practiced in EPL which requires physicality.







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haha nak buat gile slambe RG letak mahali jd winger kanan? cross boleh dribble boleh just lari je slow sket.
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post Nov 24 2012, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(Icahn @ Nov 24 2012, 12:15 AM)
Yup bro. Macam yg ko cakap, kita ada players yg boleh main cross, Badd n Mahali. Still fresh in my mind macam mana Badd cross dan Asra head in the net dalam final sea games 2011. Likewise Mahali cross dan Safee head in dalam aff 2010. Mahali ni dah boleh convert to wing or wingback dah ni.

Rajagopal ada players yg boleh buat crossing in his team! Cuma masalahnya dia nak fully utilize the crossing abilities or not! hmm.gif
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yap...sama jugak..

aku pon rase mahali dan badd je boleh cross. mungkin safiq kalau dier tetiba ada kat byline.


cross satu hall. belom kira sapa je yg pandai tanduk lagi.

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Or just park the bus and hope safee troll other team until we get free kick, and safiq will come in and score with his awesome freekick. D:

Seriously, freekick is the best way to score now.
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post Nov 24 2012, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Icahn @ Nov 24 2012, 12:15 AM)
Yup bro. Macam yg ko cakap, kita ada players yg boleh main cross, Badd n Mahali. Still fresh in my mind macam mana Badd cross dan Asra head in the net dalam final sea games 2011. Likewise Mahali cross dan Safee head in dalam aff 2010. Mahali ni dah boleh convert to wing or wingback dah ni.

Rajagopal ada players yg boleh buat crossing in his team! Cuma masalahnya dia nak fully utilize the crossing abilities or not! hmm.gif
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actually RG tries badd at wing a few times. but he fail to impress at the wing sweat.gif remember friendly vs cambodia? Man City? Sing last year? mostly in 2nd half on right wing. tp badd mcm xde tros. maen 10 org sweat.gif
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post Nov 24 2012, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Nov 24 2012, 12:20 AM)
sometimes with whatever reputation that you have as a coach you must remember that football evolves. no matter how good last year you play with whatever tactic you have sometimes certain things will become obsolete. just watch classic football and modern football you will understand.

the rise of japan and korea+ china in world football coincides with the start of per guardiola  tactics. its the best way for small players to play with technical passing rather than fast tempo football practiced in EPL which requires physicality.
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Agree. Plus our team lack of long short attempting unless badrool and safee . Where our Magic kick of Safiq? Super fast ball of Aidil ? Still remember Aidil free kick against Taiwan . Why no player keep setup him a ball instead of keep waiting for make a header when we got corner / set pieces
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Aidil is the man for defend, he hardly can go up and assist, that why we only see him going up when corner or free kick
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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Nov 24 2012, 12:20 AM)
sometimes with whatever reputation that you have as a coach you must remember that football evolves. no matter how good last year you play with whatever tactic you have sometimes certain things will become obsolete. just watch classic football and modern football you will understand.

the rise of japan and korea+ china in world football coincides with the start of per guardiola  tactics. its the best way for small players to play with technical passing rather than fast tempo football practiced in EPL which requires physicality.
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hehe ...

ni malas nak cite nih ..cuba ko tengok balik sape pemain2 yg nak main mcm japan+korea ala2 tiki taka pep guardiola tu?

haha! what a joke!

mcm ni la .. buat 1 akademik tiki taka wich short perfect passing and possesion football from the age of 6 , then show me 1 team that can play posession football with perfect short passing in liga-M , then only u can talk about korea+japan pep guorardiola style in our national football !!!!

berangan laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

keep on berangan guys ! thumbup.gif

another tiki-taka mentality with safiq batch

kelantan tiki taka? kiss my jubor!
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post Nov 24 2012, 12:42 AM

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and one more thing, when ppl say our players are not good enough for this level bla bla bla thats a farce. Ive been following local football closely since dunhill era. I remember how happy i am when hairuddin breaks in into terengganu first team with hatrick partnered with seidu issifu. indra performance during afc qualifying. Sapian wahid scores the for terengganu Msia cup 2001 etc etc.

At least for SEA level the current crop of players that we have now in the league is probably the best.
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kalau nak tengok football in malaysia evolve mcm japan+korea ..

PENYOKONG PON KENA EVOLVE MCM JAPAN KOREA LA BRO !!!

baru menang AFF2010 dah berangan nak main macam japan korea kiss my jubor puih !!!


hahahahaahah


kelakar taik ayam


tak mustahil satu hari nanti kita boleh main mcm barca possesion football, tp mesti ada a good set of players yg ade ability tu ... kalau takde, short passing posessio football ape harom jadah!!

hehe ..

bukan nak sedarkan korang dari tidur ..tp aku rasa korang masih lagi tidur
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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Nov 24 2012, 12:42 AM)
hehe ...

ni malas nak cite nih ..cuba ko tengok balik sape pemain2 yg nak main mcm japan+korea ala2 tiki taka pep guardiola tu?

haha! what a joke!

mcm ni la .. buat 1 akademik tiki taka wich short perfect passing and possesion football from the age of 6 , then show me 1 team that can play posession football with perfect short passing in liga-M , then only u can talk about korea+japan pep guorardiola style in our national football !!!!

berangan laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

keep on berangan guys !  thumbup.gif

another tiki-taka mentality with safiq batch

kelantan tiki taka? kiss my jubor!
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u dont need to be perfect. what you need is to instill the players with the mentality. and cascade down to younger players for them to look up to their seniors. thats the basic for development. no shortcut for success. even bangla can play better possession football than us. u want to say their football league is better?
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actually, logically, Raja has the right tactic pun for us to aim Asian Cup 2015. We'll never be there if we try tiki taka or possession football. Kita tak laju and tactically adapt macam asian, and those Arabs will be rough,kicking our ass all over the field kalau kita try main possession. defend and counter, ultra defense, effective football is the only suitable way for Malaysia to go further.
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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Nov 24 2012, 12:42 AM)
and one more thing, when ppl say our players are not good enough for this level bla bla bla thats a farce. Ive been following local football closely since dunhill era. I remember how happy i am when hairuddin breaks in into terengganu first team with hatrick partnered with seidu issifu. indra performance during afc qualifying. Sapian wahid scores the for terengganu Msia cup 2001 etc etc.

At least for SEA level the current crop of players that we have now in the league is probably the best.
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terengganu fan spotted. Legendary 2001 team. notworthy.gif


Added on November 24, 2012, 12:50 am
QUOTE(nenasoren @ Nov 24 2012, 12:48 AM)
actually, logically, Raja has the right tactic pun for us to aim Asian Cup 2015. We'll never be there if we try tiki taka or possession football. Kita tak laju and tactically adapt macam asian, and those Arabs will be rough,kicking our ass all over the field kalau kita try main possession. defend and counter, ultra defense, effective football is the only suitable way for Malaysia to go further.
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yap. agree with this.

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post Nov 24 2012, 12:54 AM

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haha peteh ganu peteh brooo rclxm9.gif

yes i agree this team was built for AFC qualifying with RG style. for now its good. but im worried about the predictibility of our team. its too obvious and other teams already really familiar with our play.

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