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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:37 AM)
Thanks bro! thumbup.gif Can get it in camera shop or handphone shop?
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Can, but buying from shop usually the price will be marked up around 5x. Better to buy online from garage sales.
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post Jul 17 2013, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Jul 16 2013, 08:38 PM)
i use something like this smile.gif
tongue.gif ordered one. arrived. can't fit the HTC One. sad.gif meh, phone these days big big.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 17 2013, 02:39 PM)
tongue.gif ordered one. arrived. can't fit the HTC One. sad.gif meh, phone these days big big.
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even my nokia 808 ngam2 fit, bengkok sikit tongue.gif htc one memang cannot fit. sweat.gif

here's an alternative:
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post Jul 17 2013, 03:25 PM

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I got it from elsewhere cheap cheap but it seems like catered to smaller phones (eg N86 size) or compact cameras.
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post Jul 17 2013, 06:59 PM

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Aiyahh~ Based on what goldfries say, I don't think my phone can fit also. sweat.gif
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post Aug 9 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Nov 20 2012, 02:35 PM)
Contrary to the poster above, I beg to differ. Comparison between smartphones and compacts(P&S) are still possible. Of course, larger cameras with interchangeable lenses and DLSRs are in a market of their own.

It will depend on your priorities whether a good camera phone will be able to replace a decent mid-range point-n-shoot such as the Canon S100 or Panasonic Lumix LX5. The short answer is yes. The Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of producing an image quality that is comparable or even superior than the S100 or LX5 in all shooting conditions. A comparison between the Lumix LX5 and Pureview 808 has been carried out in a review and the latter has come up favourable in some aspects, pulling away in low light shots with lower levels of noise and better detail.

In a recent comparison between the Lumia 920, a lesser smartphone and the Canon S100 shows that there is not much separating between the two in image quality.

Having that said, the quality of the built-in camera in smartphones is not the main feature or priority for everyone. The operating system, ease of use in text messaging and web browsing, other features such as larger touch screen for easier text messaging or higher resolution screen for richer colours and clarity when viewing photos or watching videos etc. All these features will be equally as important in the selection of a smartphone apart from the quality of the camera. As such, some compromises will have to be made, and that will be dependent on which feature is more important to the user.

At this current point of time, the Nokia Pureview 808 is the best camera phone in terms of image quality(some may not consider it smartphone due to the Symbian OS). If camera performance is top priority, the 808 has no rival in the camera phone market. The main downsides are the Symbian operating system and hump at the back of the phone which houses the largish 1/1.2" sensor which turn most people away apart from the small 4" low resolution screen. Since you are currently using a Nokia 5800, all these aspects may not be much of a concern to you.

Other disadvantages of using a phone as a camera(apart from image quality) is in the ergonomics in the grip and lack of manual controls, which may or may not be an issue to the user. The advantages of using a phone as a camera is the portability aspects of it and the fact that a phone will always be with the user all the time. The same can't be said with a compact P&S camera although some folks may carry them all the time too.

The Pureview 808 has been compared to mid-level cameras up to the top compacts, the Sony RX100, and the results have shown that the 808 is comparable or better than most mid-range P&S cameras curently available in the market but inferior to the RX100. The differences may not be as large as one would have expected at times, as the built-in camera in the 808 is quite excellent on its own.

There are other smartphones that will produce decent quality images in good light, though they will usually fail in low light producing a lot of noise, and they fail quite spectacularly in those conditions. The differences in IQ between good smartphones in good light are usually not too significant. The difference in image quality between these smartphones will be larger in low light, and this is where the better phones will produce better results, shots which show better clarity and detail with lower noise.

If you can still live with the 5800, you may want to consider a quality compact camera to complement the it. If you want to upgrade your phone to avoid carrying an additional device in a compact P&S camera, killing 2 birds with one stone, there are few models that will fit the criteria. As said earlier, it will depend on what you want in a smartphone and how much of an "improved" picture quality you are expecting from the shots you will be taking during trips or vacations.

In my view, if you can live with the Symbian OS and are considering mid-level cameras such as the S100 or LX5, it may be worthwhile to put the Pureview 808 in your shortlist. Image-quality wise it may be nit-picking between all these devices. If you want even better picture quality(particularly in low light), it will be the Sony RX100. If you prefer to have an additional device, a dedicated P&S that has more manual controls and other useful features of a compact, then consider a point-and-shoot.
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LEGO : Night Paintball by goldfries, on Flickr

LEGO. biggrin.gif HTC One.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 9 2013, 07:03 PM)
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LEGO : Night Paintball by goldfries, on Flickr

LEGO. biggrin.gif HTC One.
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How come exif info missing? tongue.gif
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because I PP already, save as new file.
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post Aug 15 2013, 08:05 PM

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Sony RX100 Mark II sensor and Zeiss lens attached on your smartphone!

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Lens-camera: What you see on these images are the DSC-QX10 and DSC-QX100 lenses. Actually these are not normal lenses! They have built-in sensor, Bionz processor, Wifi/NFC wireless connection and SD card slot. These lenses have no LCD screen and no usual camera controls. You will be able to control them through your smart phone or tablet (via WiFi or NFC). The lenses can be magnetically attached on your smartphone and it works on both, Android and iOS devices. That is nothing like we have seen before. For the first time you can shoot top quality images with your smartphone. Forget these iPhone or Android lens kits!

Sony will soon launch two “lens-cameras”:
1) One is the “Lens-camera” with RX100MII sensor and  Zeiss lens ($600 here on Amazon). On the pictures it is the bigger lens. As you know the RX100 is the most praised high end compact camera and features a large 1 inch sensor which is the same used by the Nikon 1 system. Now you can have that kind of Image Quality on your iPhone or Android Smartphone!
2) The second model will feature a 10xzoom lens with 1/2,3 inch 18 megapixel CMOS sensor (the image with the f/3,3-5.9 lens). It’s basically the same sensor and lens of the Sony WX150 ($400 on Amazon).

Price and exact release date are yet unknown (September 4?). But here are two more pics:


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sos: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-hot-fir...meras/#comments

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QUOTE(chokia @ Aug 15 2013, 08:05 PM)
Sony RX100 Mark II sensor and  Zeiss lens attached on your smartphone!
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sos: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-hot-fir...meras/#comments
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doesnt seem very practical or convenient though hmm.gif
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We need something like Nokia 1020.
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Here is the first leak of a part of the QX10 and QX100 manual:

1) Power Button
2) Microphone
3) Display Panel
: Indicates that the card is not inserted
: Indicates the remaining battery charge
4) Hook for belt
5) Tripod
6) Ring Control (DSC-QX100)
7) The power / charge / movie
Green: Power on
Orange: running charging
Red: running video
8) Zoom lever
9) shutter button
10) Multifunctional jack
11) RESET button

Dimensions (standard CIPA):
DSC-QX100: 62,5 mm × 62,5 mm × 55,5 mm (W / H / D)
DSC-QX10: 62,4 mm × 61,8 mm × 33,3 mm (W / H / D)
Weight (standard CIPA) (including battery pack NP-BN, “Memory Stick Micro”):
DSC-QX100: approx. 179 g
DSC-QX10: approx. 105 g
Power Supply: Rechargeable Battery Pack NP-BN, 3,6 In the
Power consumption (during shooting): 1.1 W

Reminder:
The QX100 has the same RX100MII sensor and Zeiss lens ($600 here on Amazon).
The QX10 has the same 1/2,3 inch 18 megapixel CMOS sensor and f/3,3-5.9 lens as the Sony WX150 ($400 on Amazon).

Announcement:
As I wrote yesterday the new QX lens-cameras will be announced on September 4th! We will follow the event live so be sure to be online on SonyAlphaRumors that day!

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Sony Hanomi i1 hooked up with QX100 (RX100 Mark II sensor)
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Hanomi i1 is the first smart phone can shoot 4K video, i wonder if it can use QX100 sensor to shoot 4K instead of its own 1/2.3 sensor.

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post Aug 18 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(chokia @ Aug 16 2013, 10:32 PM)
Sony Hanomi i1 hooked up with QX100 (RX100 Mark II sensor)
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Hanomi i1 is the first smart phone can shoot 4K video, i wonder if it can use QX100 sensor to shoot 4K instead of its own 1/2.3 sensor.

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4K video? sure a?? tongue.gif
BTW the memory will run out in matter of second blink.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:15 PM)
doesnt seem very practical or convenient though hmm.gif
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The idea behind adding QX10 and QX100 is for serious photographers who demand high performing sensors and good optics. For general smartphone users, the G lens on the Honami is already good enough. Although the G branding on Honami could be a marketing gimmick, but the fact that Sony G lenses outperforming many of Canon L lenses will already give pressure to Sony so that they take the name of G lens seriously.
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QUOTE(Ryou @ Aug 18 2013, 11:24 AM)
The idea behind adding QX10 and QX100 is for serious photographers who demand high performing sensors and good optics. For general smartphone users, the G lens on the Honami is already good enough. Although the G branding on Honami could be a marketing gimmick, but the fact that Sony G lenses outperforming many of Canon L lenses will already give pressure to Sony so that they take the name of G lens seriously.
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Seriously I'm sold with this idea. We already have mirrorless now we shall have a "bodyless" camera

Aint everyone wants good lens with huge sensor?

Bodyless vs Mirrorless now. Keep up the pace people.
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QUOTE(chokia @ Aug 18 2013, 12:21 PM)
Seriously I'm sold with this idea. We already have mirrorless now we shall have a "bodyless" camera

Aint everyone wants good lens with huge sensor?

Bodyless vs Mirrorless now. Keep up the pace people.
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I'm however not optimistic on this idea. It's brilliant, no doubt. But people who are serious will most probably go for a serious camera. Smartphone users going to spend huge money on this? I don't really think so. The problem is, most people are satisfied with how their smartphones and instagram produce.

Maybe Malaysia's a different story, it might not be right for Europe market where people tend to be more picky in image quality.
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QUOTE(Ryou @ Aug 18 2013, 11:24 AM)
The idea behind adding QX10 and QX100 is for serious photographers who demand high performing sensors and good optics. For general smartphone users, the G lens on the Honami is already good enough. Although the G branding on Honami could be a marketing gimmick, but the fact that Sony G lenses outperforming many of Canon L lenses will already give pressure to Sony so that they take the name of G lens seriously.
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I can see where they are going with it, although i seriously doubt it's gonna sell well. Im betting that the response is pretty much like when samsung launch their galaxy camera or galaxy zoom. It's good no doubt, but with that sort of size, and im guessing the price aint cheap as well, it wont sell very well.
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Aug 18 2013, 07:03 PM)
I can see where they are going with it, although i seriously doubt it's gonna sell well. Im betting that the response is pretty much like when samsung launch their galaxy camera or galaxy zoom. It's good no doubt, but with that sort of size, and im guessing the price aint cheap as well, it wont sell very well.
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I believe the QX10 and QX100 are meant to test the market, with both of them so differently spec-ed. Sony could see how the market reflects since the one buying QX10 will probably not buy the QX100, thus giving a vision on how "general smartphone users" will spend money when it comes to serious photography.

I also agree that it will not sell well, but only in Malaysia, we are yet to see the global sales and maybe it might surprise us? smile.gif

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