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post Nov 12 2012, 10:27 PM

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ativ brochure...

Attached File  ativ_pro.pdf ( 441.57k ) Number of downloads: 517

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post Nov 13 2012, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(oszie @ Nov 12 2012, 11:27 PM)
ativ brochure...

Attached File  ativ_pro.pdf ( 441.57k ) Number of downloads: 517

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Great. It comes with keyboard dock. For a RM3599 price tag, it is the cheapest in the market now. rclxms.gif drool.gif
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post Nov 13 2012, 09:30 PM

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If so i will go for it instead of the sony vaio
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Nov 13 2012, 09:30 PM)
If so i will go for it instead of the sony vaio
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you cant detach sony vaio duo II screen & keyboard

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post Nov 14 2012, 05:02 AM

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Why is there no review, or even a hands-on for the 700T version anywhere in the whole internet? (aside from demo units I mean)

The release date in US was supposed to be 26th of October, yet nothing on it, either the system has performed disappointingly in sales or the release date was incorrect or/and the system has been delayed...

Now I am interested to know that whether this device comes with the keyboard dock or not for 3.6k here, if it does, well it means the price is on par with the US version, otherwise, it would feel like a rip-off.
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post Nov 14 2012, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(oszie @ Nov 12 2012, 10:27 PM)
ativ brochure...

Attached File  ativ_pro.pdf ( 441.57k ) Number of downloads: 517

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The brochure specified the weight is 800++g only. By right with the keyboard it should have been 800+800= 1.6++ kg in total.
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QUOTE(kmoh4346 @ Nov 13 2012, 10:02 PM)
you cant detach sony vaio duo II screen & keyboard
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yah... another bad thing.... but now no other choices.... the xps12 look really fugly and Asus havent come out with its i5 processor tab yet. Acer seem to have Atom only for now.
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post Nov 14 2012, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Nov 14 2012, 07:58 AM)
yah... another bad thing.... but now no other choices.... the xps12 look really fugly and Asus havent come out with its i5 processor tab yet. Acer seem to have Atom only for now.
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Nov 14 2012, 07:58 AM)
yah... another bad thing.... but now no other choices.... the xps12 look really fugly and Asus havent come out with its i5 processor tab yet. Acer seem to have Atom only for now.
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I feel your frustration.
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QUOTE(kmoh4346 @ Nov 13 2012, 10:02 PM)
you cant detach sony vaio duo II screen & keyboard
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It's just a guess but being top heavy *should* mean that you can't use the Ativ on your lap very well. It's just something you should be aware of if you plan to use it that way.
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post Nov 14 2012, 03:20 PM

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ativ is not on sale yet?
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post Nov 14 2012, 04:12 PM

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wootz looks like samsung will do a promotion in sabah . yes i will be back in my hometown and will check it out .. but price is RM 3599 .. a bit expensive or else ? anybody know the retail price ?
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QUOTE(marauderz @ Nov 14 2012, 03:00 PM)
It's just a guess but being top heavy *should* mean that you can't use the Ativ on your lap very well. It's just something you should be aware of if you plan to use it that way.
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My work is on the go between my companies, so Im willing to compromise. Plus the weight ratio of keyboard to screen is 1:1, so I believe it would still work on an angle.
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post Nov 14 2012, 06:37 PM

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A point to ponder, observations made with the tablet and keyboard attached, with the connection between keyboard and tablet, and compounded by the top-heavyness of the tablet:

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I have one of these, and it's a great piece of kit, especially as a slate. However, I find that when I'm using it docked with the keyboard it's almost constantly connecting and reconnecting with the keyboard and USB devices on the keyboard. So when typing it'll often miss letters as it'll disconnect then reconnect the keyboard. The little melody it plays (disconnect/reconnect) got so annoying I turned the sound off!

This happens more frequently if I have it on my lap, or I'm using the touchscreen at the same time as the keyboard; I almost never use the touchpad on the keyboard. I'm guessing the movement of the screen on the connector as I touch it or it moves around whilst on my knee is enough for the physical connector to momentarily lose connection?

I've reported it to Samsung who suggested I take the unit back & swap for another one though I'd rather find out if my issue is unique before committing to losing the device for a while. Any comments?
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I am also having the problem with the keyboard disconnecting and reconnecting. This is unfortunate because it makes the device pretty much useless to me. I planned to use it maybe 70% of the time in the dock, and this problem seems to occur constantly, especially with the computer in my lap. It has happened about 20 times since I started writing this paragraph. Firmly pushing the tablet into the dock does seem to resolve the problem temporarily, but I'm not sure how feasible that will be as a long term solution. Hopefully there will be a software fix (or more likely it needs to be a hardware fix). If there is no solution in the next few days, this is going back to Amazon as defective.


Source: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34229717 from the Anandtech forum.

I reckon the Pro version uses the same connector as the normal Smart PC mode. Heads-up for potential buyers.

My recently sold Asus Transformer Infinity is weight-ratio-ed 1:1 as well between the tablet and keyboard, and beyond 90 degrees, the laptop configuration (tablet+keyboard) will have the tendency to topple backwards. On the Android OS it's running on, you mostly tap instead os swipe gestures on Windows 8. I'd foresee the swipe-up/down gestures on an over-tilted Smart PC Pro having similar tendencies to topple backwards as well.

I've tested the Pro model at LowYat Plaza's Windows 8 roadshow and it does show tendencies to topple backwards. Which is why at the roadshow, the unit was left on a slanted platform so as to NOT show this tendency much.

I was as excited as the next person when they announced it, I stayed up and followed the event announcement live. My interest was deflated when I saw the plastic build quality(made more evident at the roadshow on the silver color model), and the thickness of the tablet part disproportionate compared to the keyboard. I'd be more forgiving if the keyboard part has batteries on it, that will help extend the battery life and keep the whole laptop config (tablet+keyboard) center-weighted to avoid the toppling back.

The rest is history. If anyone follows the thread I made in this part of the forum, they'll know which hybrid I went for.

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i am waiting for online review on the smart pro to go in further.... so far i was really impress by the sony duo 11..... it change my view on the tab though the weight is still a let down.

Maybe need to wait till Asus to come out with transformer to show the world how to make a tablet that can detach.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Nov 14 2012, 06:37 PM)
A point to ponder, observations made with the tablet and keyboard attached, with the connection between keyboard and tablet, and compounded by the top-heavyness of the tablet:
And another:-
Source: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34229717 from the Anandtech forum.

I reckon the Pro version uses the same connector as the normal Smart PC mode. Heads-up for potential buyers.

My recently sold Asus Transformer Infinity is weight-ratio-ed 1:1 as well between the tablet and keyboard, and beyond 90 degrees, the laptop configuration (tablet+keyboard) will have the tendency to topple backwards. On the Android OS it's running on, you mostly tap instead os swipe gestures on Windows 8. I'd foresee the swipe-up/down gestures on an over-tilted Smart PC Pro having similar tendencies to topple backwards as well.

I've tested the Pro model at LowYat Plaza's Windows 8 roadshow and it does show tendencies to topple backwards. Which is why at the roadshow, the unit was left on a slanted platform so as to NOT show this tendency much.

I was as excited as the next person when they announced it, I stayed up and followed the event announcement live. My interest was deflated when I saw the plastic build quality(made more evident at the roadshow on the silver color model), and the thickness of the tablet part disproportionate compared to the keyboard. I'd be more forgiving if the keyboard part has batteries on it, that will help extend the battery life and keep the whole laptop config (tablet+keyboard) center-weighted to avoid the toppling back.

The rest is history. If anyone follows the thread I made in this part of the forum, they'll know which hybrid I went for.
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i assume u didn't like the cabut2 thingy ..

to bad sony vaio a bit heavy ..
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Nov 14 2012, 06:43 PM)
i am waiting for online review on the smart pro to go in further.... so far i was really impress by the sony duo 11..... it change my view on the tab though the weight is still a let down.

Maybe need to wait till Asus to come out with transformer to show the world how to make a tablet that can detach.
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means this samsung not good ?
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QUOTE(rhoyo @ Nov 14 2012, 07:21 PM)
i assume u didn't like the cabut2 thingy ..

to bad sony vaio a bit heavy ..
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I have a Transformer Infinity before. It's light at 580g on both ends but it still has tendencies to tilt back depending on how angled back the screen is. I have not had any problems with the 128GB SDXC slotted into the keyboard side of the Infinity separated away from the tablet side, but talking from past experience on Windows devices, pulling external storage device without safely removing it would sometimes result in corrupted data. If you're just using the keyboard part as a keyboard I don't see any issue. But from the previous post I quoted, it sounds like the connecting mechanism is loose. Making that constant connect-reconnecting wear a heavy toll on anything connecting via the keyboard side, or even the keyboard itself. I ended up not removing the Infinity from its keyboard dock, and the "detach keyboard to make lighter" advantage doesn't really become advantageous at all.

I also have issues with the build quality, I have the SGS3 so I know how fond Samsung is with plastic. I don't mind much with plastic IF the processor running runs cool. SoCs running on SGS3 is low powered hence running cooler. Imagine your Intel Core i5 running in thin plastic enclosure. Recipe for disaster in the long run? There's a reason why most thin Ultrabooks uses aluminum/metal chassis.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Nov 14 2012, 07:41 PM)
I have a Transformer Infinity before. It's light at 580g on both ends but it still has tendencies to tilt back depending on how angled back the screen is. I have not had any problems with the 128GB SDXC slotted into the keyboard side of the Infinity separated away from the tablet side, but talking from past experience on Windows devices, pulling external storage device without safely removing it would sometimes result in corrupted data. If you're just using the keyboard part as a keyboard I don't see any issue. But from the previous post I quoted, it sounds like the connecting mechanism is loose. Making that constant connect-reconnecting wear a heavy toll on anything connecting via the keyboard side, or even the keyboard itself. I ended up not removing the Infinity from its keyboard dock, and the "detach keyboard to make lighter" advantage doesn't really become advantageous at all.

I also have issues with the build quality, I have the SGS3 so I know how fond Samsung is with plastic. I don't mind much with plastic IF the processor running runs cool. SoCs running on SGS3 is low powered hence running cooler. Imagine your Intel Core i5 running in thin plastic enclosure. Recipe for disaster in the long run? There's a reason why most thin Ultrabooks uses aluminum/metal chassis.
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oh i see .. so its plastic at the bottom ya . i never touch the device yet .. was planning to buy this or the sony one .. but sony one is a bit expensive . do u usually do extreme stuff on ur device . like the one u buy the sony one . u use it for heavy stuff or linear stuff ? .. so its a bad thing for this detachable keyboard thingy ??
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QUOTE(rhoyo @ Nov 14 2012, 07:46 PM)
oh i see .. so its plastic at the bottom ya . i never touch the device yet .. was planning to buy this or the sony one .. but sony one is a bit expensive . do u usually do extreme stuff on ur device . like the one u buy the sony one . u use it for heavy stuff or linear stuff ? ..  so its a bad thing for this detachable keyboard thingy ??
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You try first. Have a hands-on and see if you like it. Especially the tilt/top-heavyness.

As for me pushing my laptops, I'd like to see what it can do. If you're not using it to its potential, why bother getting the Core i models? Might as well get any Atom models and be done with. At the current state of Windows Store apps, I'd avoid Windows RT altogether. The next question would be balancing battery life to what you prefer. Want power? Battery life sacrificed. Want battery life? Less power. Depending on what you're using it as, that'll determine which device you'd go for.

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