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post Dec 9 2013, 11:50 AM

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If Paper gain....don't know why you so happy. Only on paper nia.

If paper loss....dont know why you so stupid. Dont know how to invest wan.

Haha, another nonsense post by a wannabe.
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post Dec 9 2013, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Dec 9 2013, 11:51 AM)
Wait till better time maybe....?

How hot do you think the fennel sales will be next year if they jack up the price as usual without dibs or reimbursement schemes?
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Not too sure myself. Am looking at how the next few "interesting project" non-DIBS launches will be like to gauge the buying sentiments going into next year. The nearest comparison will be the next blocks of Ekosky, and also TWY, both non-DIBS, both investor target heavy highrise projects. My hunch is that sales will be much slower without DIBS, but really looking at the price point factor. I think as usual, there'll be alot of wayang kulit sticker play during launch, but one can easily gauge the "real demand" factor by talking to the SA. If they can acheive 70-80% sales within one weekend, then 3 things are certain:

1. BBB is still on.
2. Lu tadak wang, takpe. Manyak orang ada wang.
3. Fennel should still be hot.

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post Dec 9 2013, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 12:55 PM)
Care to elaborate on paper loss? Never heard such a term before.

Im a wannabe eh? Suddenly worried my posts are ruining your business eh?  brows.gif
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Nope, dont care to elaborate. Enough of spoon feeding. Go do some reading.

Business? I am not a businessman. So no worries at all. On the other hand, i think you're worried about YOUR business. From cowherd mentality nonsense to now not happy about paper gain, I guess you just cant take it when you're wrong and just wanna push more nonsense.

But do keep it up. rclxms.gif The world do need a bit of crap sometimes......
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post Dec 9 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:11 PM)
Don't want to elaborate or do not know how to elaborate? Shot yerself in the foot again I see eh?  biggrin.gif

Im wrong? First time anybody has said i was wrong in my investments. Please do elaborate how 'wrong' I am. Please do prove me wrong (if u have the facts). Im surely interested to know what 'mistakes' ive made. Or are you gonna hide behind the 'don't care to elaborate' stance again?  biggrin.gif

The more u accuse others of having ulterior motives, the more apparent it becomes that its you with the ulterior motives here in the Fennel thread. Could this also be the reason why you have been thrashed on some of the other forums?  brows.gif
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You have to grow up and really read on your own. Please dont expect to be on a forum and be spoonfed. That way, you can maybe stop showing your ignorance. And I dont have a gun so can shoot myself. Unless of course, you think I like to "shoot" myself some other way, but I don't think its appropriate for me to do that where I am right now.

There's always a first time for everything, and for you to realise it, the earlier the better. You still have much more to learn though. And like i said, go and do some reading.
But should you be scratching your head, lemme just remind you on your cowherd mentality nonsense. In theory, its nonsense. In reality, its also nonsense. Conclusion, nonsense.

But I am SURE you cant accept this. Maybe its due to ego. But I am afraid it might be also the inability to process the information.

Haha, i am only on this forum. SO what forums have I been trashed on? Sigh, such a simpleton. Such a pity icon_idea.gif


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post Dec 9 2013, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:29 PM)
Such a long post and yet with nothing credible to show after all that? Its funny that you chose to write so much over 2 postings and keep mentioning the word 'nonsense' many times and yet cant tell me why its nonsense?  biggrin.gif

And I suppose your words in bold above are your way of showing how 'grown up' you are?  biggrin.gif
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Thats why I said sometimes its the inability to comprehend. I tried. I really tried to write in as simple as I can, as elaborated as I can. In order for your to understand. But I'm sorry, I still overestimated your abilities. Please tell me how I can help you. You clearly need help...and FAST. So that you can be of contribute to society. Instead of spewing nonsense. That's provided you can even understsnd what that is of course.

Thanks for bolding that. At least you actually know how to use the bold button. Maybe you can learn to type p-a-p-e-r l-o-s-s on the google or yahoo search and see what it returns.

See, I taught you something new today, didn't I? You're most welcome. But next lessons arent free ya. So you shouhd really go read up rclxms.gif
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post Dec 9 2013, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:29 PM)
Such a long post and yet with nothing credible to show after all that? Its funny that you chose to write so much over 2 postings and keep mentioning the word 'nonsense' many times and yet cant tell me why its nonsense?  biggrin.gif

And I suppose your words in bold above are your way of showing how 'grown up' you are? Is that how u 'process' maturity?  biggrin.gif

Ure only on this forum? U really sure of that? Im sure u know that u cannot possibly tell such open, blatant lies when there is such a function called 'find member's posts'?

I sense the pressure is getting to you. The more u talk, the more frustrated ure becoming when your lies don't quite work anymore.  brows.gif
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Oops, you edited too fast and added more comments. So it seems that you like to write at length too. haha. good, practise helps with your language.

Yes, i'm, only on LNY forum.
Unless you dont know whats the difference of forum and thread. Another free tip for you... DICTIONARY thumbup.gif
I'm so generous to you.

Yup, the pressure is really gettin gon me. The pressure of seeing how simpleton a fellow human being can be...and the inability to accept help.
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post Dec 9 2013, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:37 PM)
Still nothing tangible? Still no info? Still cannot show anything credible?  doh.gif

Btw, u still haven't answered my question on are u really sure that this is the ONLY forum ure on? Let me help clear up your lies:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...sult_type=posts

And while ure at it, why don't u share some of your real life investment success stories? Lets see what you have gained (paper or otherwise). Maybe I can learn something from you.  biggrin.gif
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That's called TOPICS. Please spell it and read it a few times. That way, you'll get it and remember it.

This forum is called LOWYAT.NET.

Sigh, why do you wanna keep showing how ignorant you are????

Why???? oh Why????
I feel so embarassed for you.
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post Dec 9 2013, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:42 PM)
yes u are right. I meant thread. My mistake. Now please enlighten me on your investment success stories.

(btw, I think its you who needs help with the language....you have made quite a few errors..English not your main language for sure)  biggrin.gif
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See, another first for you! You have for the first time in your life admitted a mistake!

And didn't you want me to point out where your mistake was? See again. Please print this up and paste it on your wall. That way, you can learn to not make mistakes

You're welcome biggrin.gif
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post Dec 9 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:49 PM)
Its 'look again' not 'see again'. May I suggest BM as an alternative? And im still waiting for more clarity on the other queries ive raised so far.
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look see? maybe chinese? maybe indian? maybe thai?

And im still waiting for more clarity on the other queries ive raised so far. rclxms.gif

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post Dec 9 2013, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(simeonelee78 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:49 PM)
could you share ur successful stories in ur past investment(s)? hmm.gif
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could you share ur successful stories in ur past investment(s)? whistling.gif
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post Dec 9 2013, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 9 2013, 05:52 PM)
U think he will? Im also hoping he will. Can't wait to learn from a person who thinks sooo highly of paper gain. If only he knew which industry im in....... doh.gif
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If only you knew how to type p-a-p-e-r l-o-s-s on search.
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post Dec 10 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(midfielder @ Dec 10 2013, 11:08 AM)
What is the built up of D245 here so that to calculate the per sf price for better comparison....appreciate that....thannks
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1488sf
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post Dec 10 2013, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 10 2013, 02:43 PM)
Moderators please close this thread as it turn into an argument topic or else take action on trouble maker member like Minolta & cybermaster98.

Same as those uuu, ddd, bbb & sss thread.
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Before you talk more, please note who is the trouble maker.
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post Dec 10 2013, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 10 2013, 12:22 PM)
Even if this is the same unit, u don't make profit if the unit is not sold.  Goodluck to u if u can sell or rent the unit one yr after completion. Otherwise, u lost money even u can sell 10% more.
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You're right, you dont make real profit. For that unit, there will not be any profit at all, real or paper, because it is still unsold.

If that unit gets sold for the current asking price, then all previous buyers get paper profit. Then the question is if it will be sold for that price.

For that, then one has to look at the current price for still available units in Block A and B. If psf price of this particular unit is higher than the ones available in A & B, then its obvious that the paper gain is artificial. However, if the psf is similar to what is available still in A & B (which a simple look at the sales chart will tell you if it is or not), then its more real. The conclusion then is that currently, for someone to want to buy a unit in Fennel, either Blocks A or D, then they will have to pay >10% higher price than what they could have had should they have bought it in July (Block B nonwithstanding coz it was only launched last month, with a launch price already of about 10% higher, and even more for KLCC view. And more importantly, almost 90% sold). And note that the leftover units in A & D are only opened back up < 2 weeks ago.

Thus for buyers, this sounds good. Paper profit is better than no profit. In fact, any profit from property price increase is all on paper....till you sell it.
For 10% paper profit in 5 months, I'm sure all buyers are looking forward till the next 4 years!

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post Dec 10 2013, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(FortuneClub @ Dec 10 2013, 02:47 PM)
Many purchaser oh at fennel ...  Bank also flood with loan application for this project
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Do they look like cows? With a cow herd mentality?
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post Dec 10 2013, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 10 2013, 03:44 PM)
Sorry, I didn't mean to get in between u and others. What I meant is that, without dibs, one yr holding cost for any flipper will be 10%.  So, the seller has to make the market by extra 10% after one yr to enable secondary market to make profit.  Of course, if the unit can be rented out, this 10% can be easily halfed
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....but this project had DIBS.

And 1 year holding cost during construction, even if there is no DIBS will be BLR-2.4/2.5 of the disbursed amount, not nearly close to 10%.
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post Dec 10 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 10 2013, 03:42 PM)
At this rate, expected profit is about 100% by vp in 4 years time  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif

Time for shopping in London, Paris and Milan, then order a BMW for him and her  rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif
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Ya ya, and don't forget the rolls and fellali too while you're at it
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 10 2013, 03:47 PM)
So if a property slump hits around 2015 and lasts say 2 years before a recovery begins, would buyers still be looking forward to 2017 or is Fennel immune to a slump since its a niche product by YTL and ppl wouldn't mind paying say RM 900psf then?

Also while ure on this topic, care to tell me how many multiple phase new launch projects in KV did not enjoy a paper gain when subsequent blocks were launched? Thus are you implying that all projects which enjoyed good paper gain will also enjoy very healthy capital appreciation upon VP and buyers would be lining up to purchase subsale units from initial investors solely based on this 'paper gain' theory?
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So you're back. I hope you have had the wisdom and inertia to do a search of paper loss, apparently a term that you are not familiar with, but a simple search will give you pages of links.

Are you saying 2015 will be a slump? If you are, are you selling your property? If not, what the heck are you trying to say? I've heard every year that the next year wil be a slump. I'm still waiting.........

And what project launched with multiple phase didn't make paper gain? Haha. Why do I care about other projects? I am commenting on this thread (and please remember what I taught you yesterday, its called a thread, not a forum, in case you make a fool of yourself again), that there is paper gain in 5 months. First you wrote some nonsense about how paper gain is useless. Now u say all properties launch oso got paper gain. I never say other properties don't have paper gain.

You really should do more reading than talking. Seriously
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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Dec 10 2013, 10:35 PM)
Minolta. Not nearly 10%? hmm. What if interest rate goes up? Anyway jolokia, calm your tits.
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Again, this project got DIBs lah. Interest rate go up oso no difference.

And even if theoretically don't have DIBS, and BLR goes up to a whopping 9% next year, effective interest rate is 9-2.4=6.6%. Thats 6.6% of disbursed amount, mind you. That's not 10% holding cost.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 10 2013, 03:48 PM)
Anyway, based on this 'paper gain' theory, investors in Phase 1 of Tropicana Gardens, Kota Damansara have much more to cheer in the future. The launch price difference between Phase 1 and Phase 2 was about 50%. Phase 2 was about RM 1,100 psf.

So assuming that the project takes 4 years to complete, Phase 2 buyers of TG would be anticipating at least a 50% capital increase upon VP. We would be seeing ppl lining up to buy 597sf studio units for RM985K (starting price) or RM 1,650psf. The bigger 1573sf units would probably be going for RM1,500 psf or close to RM2.4mil.

And all this in Kota Damansara. Perfect logic eh?  rclxm9.gif
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Why are you talking about TG here? Are you lost? Go put your same comment in TG thread.

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