Those new at watches do read this 1st
http://www.watcharama.com/glossary.htm

Chronograph and affordable homages (Sub, Pammy, B&R) are big. try to name a few brands, will try my best to update this list

where to find those affordable homages
Sub Homage
- www.mkiiwatches.com
- www.orangewatchcompany.com
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.robert-uhren.de
- www.marcelloc-watches.com
- www.rxw.jp
- www.davosawatches.com
- http://www.msc-uhren.com/watches.htm

Sub homage similar to the original James Bond watch
- STEINHART "OCEAN 1 VINTAGE"
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/
- http://www.orangewatchcompany.com/milsub/index.php
- MK II Kingston

Pammy Homage
- www.zuriner.com
- Vollmer watch ( starts at ~1.4K @ watchseller.com )
- Aristo
- Dievas watch ( http://gnomonwatches.com/Dievas.html)
- www.rxw.jp (price ~1.6K)
- Kadloo (~1.2k on swiss unitas)
- www.drcustomwatch.com (mix of Swiss and Asian)
(Asian parts)
- Getat http://www.siswatch727.com/index.do
- Jackson Tse http://www.jacksontse.com/
- Davidsen ( davidsenjpn@yahoo.com ) - prices starts from rm$1K for Unitas 6497


Bell and Ross Homage
- Junkers
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.debaufre.com
- http://www.revue-thommen.ch/instrument.htm

many pilot fans here too
- www.stowa.com
- http://www.lacher-shop.de/e_shop/index.php
- www.archimede-uhren.de
- www.christopherward.co.uk
- Aristo (prices start ~1.5K)
- http://prometheuswatch.com/

IWC pilot homage
- Speedbird with soft iron core http://www.timefactors.com/speedbird.htm

diver watches
(online only)
- www.christopherward.co.uk
- guinand-watch.com
- http://www.ocean7watchco.com/
- Doxa
- www.mkiiwatches.com
- www.orangewatchcompany.com
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.robert-uhren.de
- www.uhr.info (~rm1k)
- Kadloo (starts ~rm850)
- Marathon http://www.broadarrow.net/GSAR.htm
- Bernhardt http://www.bernhardtwatch.com/
- www.boschett-timepieces.com
- www.utswatches.com
- http://www.benaruswatches.com/
- http://www.helson-watches.com/
- http://prometheuswatch.com/
(in stores)
- Fortis
- Hamilton
- Oris
- Sinn
- Tag Heuer
- Longines
- etc

German watches that invested alot in case and movement tech
- Sinn
- http://www.damasko.de/eng/index.html

small size watches (case 33-38mm size)
- www.christopherward.co.uk (price starts at RM600)
- http://junior.frederique-constant.com/ (prices start at RM2.6K)
- http://www.dfreemontwatches.com/new_yorker.htm
- hamilton watch (Field mechanical size at 33mm) retail price ~rm1.1K
- Seiko Spirit Automatic (size 37mm)
- Titoni (many model range btw 33mm to 38mm) http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES/TitoniSalesTable.htm
- Stowa Antea Kleine Sekunde (35.5mm) or Stowa Antea 365 (36.5mm) prices with shipping ~rm$1.4K and up
- nomos club (36mm) retails ~rm4.5K to 5K or Nomos Ludwig (33mm) retails rm$5K and up
- http://www.jswatch.com/enska/urin.html
- http://www.rgmwatches.com/110As.html
- Maurice Lacroix http://www.mauricelacroix.com/#OUR%20CLASSICS
- http://www.archimede-uhren.de/EN/Pilot-S.htm (prices start at ~rm1.5k)
- http://www.autran-viala.de (prices start at ~rm1.4k)
- http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...=193&Itemid=432 (price at ~rm$1.8K)

great value Chrono watches
- www.uhr.info (rm$1.6k)
- http://www.genius1953.de/
- Guinand watch

Skeleton watches on swiss movement
- SWATCH under US$180
- http://www.steinhartwatches.de/ (limited edition)
- Oris Artelier Skeleton also US$1.5k an up
- Louis Erard 1931 collection usually usd$1.5K an up
- http://www.tourbywatches.com/ usually EUR$1.1K an up
- Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Skeleton (retailing US$5K an up)

Skeleton or open dial on Jap movement
- Orient watch ~US$350 (not really skeleton, just open dial)
- BULOVA ~US$250 and up (open dial)
- Invicta (some are using Chinese movement)

Skeleton or open dial on Chinese movement
- Invicta
- Armitron
- Kenneth Cole (mostly fashion brands)
- Seagull
- Alpha watch usually under US$100
- Theorema watch usually ~US$200
- TRIAS watch (some swiss movement model cost more, mostly Chinese)

Looking for Japanese Mechanical
- www.seiyajapan.com
- http://www.higuchi-inc.com/
- www.orientwatchusa.com

grey market (online)
- thewatchery.com ( I dealt with them b4)
- ashford.com ( I dealt with them b4)
- collectorstime.com





This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 31 2013, 08:35 AM

meistersinger no dealer locally. online AD is going for ~5.5K for the MeisterSinger Perigraph
http://meistersinger.net/Service/Store_locator.html

Schum Gnomonik / Disk can find at Red Army Watches. ~ 4.7K
http://redarmywatches.com/collection_brand...cat=25&brand=14

u are looking for single hand watches at 2.5k.

try
http://www.watchismo.com/Defakto-watch.aspx
http://www.botta-design.de/en/one-hand-wat...-automatic.html

Kemmner only sell on ebay, but u can get those on ETA or Unitas
http://www.ebay.com/sch/erkahund/m.html

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Added on November 4, 2012, 10:43 amseiko? Orient?
willing to shop online check out page 1 post 1.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 4 2012, 10:43 AM

today the competency is quartz and certainly Eco-Drive that even goes on their campanola line.
they do make alot of miyota movement for the used others, but quartz movement production is always that high even for ETA.
The purchase of Prothor Holding SA may change their direction for their campanola line.

I recall ppl getting Rolex online and is ok. There few here and there that has got cheaper items without getting them stolen. It just sounded so bad, u have encountered something along that line

swatch group will not touch a nomos.
U can get a private watchmaker to do it.
I own the below nomos and I wear it daily.
http://www.nomos-store.com/en/Watches/Ludw...ystal-back.html

JW watch in SG is a AD but u have to order them, I don't think they have it in stock.
else order on watchbuys.com if possible. I got mine there, had to order and wait for 2 mths iirc.

iirc ck77 got his Rolex Sub online from watchart.com without any issues

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Added on November 7, 2012, 1:05 pmU got to find a trusty watchmaker locally.
Its not a complex movement like EP, if there are no damages simple cleaning and oiling a trained watchmaker can do it.

even with JW watch, they are just trained watchmaker. I doubt they flew into german to get training to do it the official nomos way.
JW does all kinds of servicing, they do Rolex when they are not official Rolex service centre.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 7 2012, 01:05 PM

3K?? may a little more can get a nice 7751
http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...=170&Itemid=408

when I think of poljot I think of 3313 and the below design
http://www.russia2all.com/poljot-strela-mi...ph_2121108.html


or
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f71/new-arriv...-de-678741.html


This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 10 2012, 11:39 AM

I don't own the Poljot, the price online today is ~US$499 (click those links)

43mm day date moonphase, working budget?

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Added on November 10, 2012, 8:39 pmMido Baroncelli good calll, fits nicely in your budget.

something cheaper try this (at ~1400)
http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men/dress.../c5sss-mk2.html

also close to your budget
http://www.stowa.de/lshop,showdetail,13525...rub--antea,.htm


or
Frederique Constant Persuasion FC-310NM4P6B2
http://timepiece.com/frederique-constant-w...CFYpFMgodLT8ArA


This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 10 2012, 08:45 PM

ML Les Classiques Phase de Lune, get from AD is very much controlled.
lowest online is this, try to get close to this number.
http://www.gemnation.com/watches/Maurice-L...-13E-21818.html

the les Classiique range is their entry level watches, expect undecorated movement (ML 154 base on ETA 7751)
http://www.chrono24.com/en/mauricelacroix/...cnum=3&tab=pics

can get a similar movement at lower price and better decorated.
http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...=170&Itemid=408

those royal orient and orient start don't have anything in their collection with day date I recall.
do U know which model has quick set day date?

Epos? pre-own.. price hard to beat! ETA 2892
http://www.watchseller.com/eporaurgp.html

yes the Hamilton Jazzmaster H38515555. in fact only under 3k.
unlike Epos no blue hands and no guilloche dial making the price much lower than Epos, then again according to watchtime rumor has it ETA sell movement outside swatch for 4X the price.
http://www.righttime.com/rt/hamilton/h38515555.htm

not really, I want to let mine go and get a Guinand 7751 instead.

seagull quality can be a hit or missed.
seagull usa has sale going on
http://usseagull.com/EnProduct.asp?ClassID...title=ON%20SALE

Price: 1,040 € | 820 £ | 7,800 DKK
http://www.seagullwatch.eu/chrono/M199S.php

well, longines prices also not too much higher, B&R too.

get them on 50% sale.

the current inhouse movement alpha is base on ETA 7001 design, alot of tear down on those pre-2005 alpha movement. ebauches is used when a maker buys parts from ETA and make them. Its much like Tag Heuer getting Seiko design making their Chrono.

there are little mention on their other movements, some forum says they just beautify alpha movement and change to 3/4 plate, forgetting that these mod are done too ie hacking (iirc original Peseux 7001 does not hack), Glashütte click, Trivois fine adjustment. others claim all these chances qualify its as a inhouse movement as there are little resemblance. Anyway, so how much by industrial standard to qualify inhouse?

Today, they make most of the movement inhouse only parts like rubies and balance springs are bought from suppliers. nomos didn't move to make their own movement because of ETA restriction on ebauches.

much like buying any watch, its always buyer decision if a watch is worth it. A tudor use unmod ETA prices are higher than many brands that do Mod their movement. LOL

Seagull also make inhouse movement for that matter.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 9 2012, 08:33 AM

no diff in terms of qualy. 2836 is a mod off 2824 with day wheel
stowa make great watches. good choice.
I hope u can wait

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 14 2012, 08:44 PM

yes! Stowa only has like 3-5 ppl making watches.
Alot of ppl ordering so cannot fulfill order.
their online shop very reliable no worries, else still have loads of ppl ordering.
some ppl wait 2 yrs to get those LE watch

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Added on December 15, 2012, 11:28 pmu have the phone number call and ask faster

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 15 2012, 11:28 PM

another Pammy lookalike. prices starts ~ 3.7k and up. most model LE to 300 pcs like Pam
in perspective PAM base model ~14k

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f408/zuriner-...iew-737406.html


http://www.zuriner.com
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f74/zuriner-d...say-569504.html



This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 17 2012, 12:19 AM

page 1 post 1 is always a good start, to learn the terms and what not.

Bulova - American brand most watches are quartz and they are reliable. Today they are under Citizen.
they mechanical today uses citizen movement
http://www.ashford.com/watches/bulova/bva-...g_cat5001&so=21

U mentioned invicta, sometime to read
http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/ori...rum/60077-2.htm