Here is the link from the first one which has been closed:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2560750

Shown below is the final entry before it was closed:

As you can see, the previous topic was simply closed, hence my point of "being more effective to remove oneself from the discussion is easier online". However, in real life, we will be expected to be courteous towards one another.

In reference to what you were saying about how one can choose to decline to answer my questions in real life, here is my question:

Why? What is the justification and rationale behind of denying an answer to a question?

Do you simply not know the answer to the question, or was it something else? Was it psychological insecurity?

Remember, if you continue to close or even suspend me because of this topic, IT PROVES MY POINT. It is indeed easier for you to IGNORE a discussion by digitally removing it from your sight.

However, in real life, we will be expected to be civil to one another, as there are no ways to simply "remove yourself" from the discussion. If you do indeed decline to answer any of the questions, you will be seen as being discourteous and impolite for simply walking away or even been seen as someone who is ignorant and being in denial to simply remove yourself from the discussion in real life. As a matter of fact, the act of actually closing the previous discussion simply shows an utter lack of decorum.

The fact you cannot "close" a topic like that in real life, gives better justice in a discussion.

Imagine this situation. A huge tragedy happened in the family. Do you know how important it is to have an organic discussion between each other?

Hence your lack of participation may be due to your impression towards the significance of this discussion. How about I reveal one of the topics then?

Look at my warning bar which is at 50%. One of the topics involved was, "Why the Health & Fitness forums only have one race in the background?" which was opened in this thread"

Now you may have your reasons of suspending me, but I wanted a real life discussion, because I am considering this as something IMPORTANT, hence I want to bring it into real life.

So what will you do? Will you close this topic again, or even suspend me further, HENCE PROVING MY POINT that you rather walk away than to actually, and SINCERELY find out what it is all about?

You are right that this may be a hassle. This is because I am treating this as something important. So if you don't treat this as importantly enough as I do, it proves another thing as well, which should be OBVIOUS in the first place:

That you simply just don't care, and pretend as if there is really nobody behind your monitor.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 29 2012, 07:01 AM

lol. butthurt because getting ass kicked in /k and request to meetup with mod/admin?

that's some serious shit. se7en should take note or TS might gonna report this to the Parliament

I am not about to do that.

But in time, if things continue to repeat itself, who knows.

Remember, I know you guys are following GUIDELINES on how to moderate this forum.

I am QUESTIONING the GUIDELINES themselves.

What I am also question here can be illustrated with an example.

Imagine a house on fire with one victim, in comparison a house on fire with ten victims. It is considered common sense for one to look in favour of the majority, to save the ten than to save the one.

However, imagine another situation. If there is one healthy person, in comparison to ten injured people who each needs an organ to survive, do we simply take the life of that one person in order to save the ten?

Hence the question of greatest good with the greatest number vs. individual rights. I have many threads which were closed usually in favour of the majority, but while in favour for the greatest number of people, you have denied my unalienable liberty to question, to speak, and to discuss. In other words, you "censor" my threads, because you think it's too sensitive, which is equivalent to telling a man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it.

I also KNOW that there will be at least ONE person who will simply say:

"Aiyah! Just ban this fella, and SETTLE!"

It is exactly this type of person I would like to have a heart-to-heart discussion in real life.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 29 2012, 07:26 AM

Futile exercise. It's a dictatorship here, like it or not. They are kind enough to spare you the cold hard truth.

Fortunately, Berlin Wall does not exist in here. You may come and go as you like.

404 Analogy Not Found. When deadlocks's topics are removed, nobody's lives are saved. One does not use life-or-death analogies to dramatize one's stand when no corresponding life-or-death situations exist.

We do censor your threads, I'll give that to you. But I need to correct you that there is no unalienable liberty here, other than what the Malaysian law guarantees. This is a private internet forum, not a liberal state.

Once, I was manning the information counter of the High Court (Will not tell which state). It was lunch hour, and a couple, one chinese national and the other one a Malaysian Indian was filling up forms and waiting for the Commisioner of Oath to come and affirm their documents.

In comes this uncle, with his broken Malay asking for help. Which I was about to render when the first thing out from his mouth was "tak ada cina ka, saya tak boleh cakap melayu."

The uncle then turns towards the chinese national and started pestering her in Cantonese. Which, having only being able to speak Mandarin and English she cannot help. The kicker sentence from the uncle - "Cina pun tak tau cakap cina, bodoh!"

Could I then hurt the uncle by calling out the fact that as a Malaysian, he couldn't speak Malay properly? Of course I could.

But what would be the point?

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Thats the thing about race, religion and political topic. Everybody wants to win the argument, yet no one realizes that no one can win the argument. What it causes is a furthering of bad blood and misconception. Coat it in any way you like, asking questions specifically about racism gets blood boiling, which in turn makes people lose all sense of decorum and decency. Same goes for religion, same goes for political.

And in a open forum - heck, you will run into flame baiters that think the internet affords them the anonymity so they will say what they like, with the intention of causing as much hurt as possible. Will people take the bait - of course they will - we all have the inherent need to protect our belief. Wars have started no less because of it.

Thats the danger when you don't moderate open forum. Like the example above, I don't just say the first thing that comes into mind, because my behaviour is moderated by the place and situation.

I've took a look at some of the topics that you wanted to open. The particular "name one thing you hate about race x" is very, very flame baity.

Lastly, beside free speech, people have freedom of association. Don't associate with Lowyat if you don't like the people here. If they don't want to listen to you, go and associate with people who wants to listen to you. Simple.

This is not real life. this is a privately own company. the admin have no obligations to make you happy.

people never think how to keep a forum healthy. only know how to argue and open a thread that can create problem. ok...fine...u wanna win, but do ask yourself this question which i put in a simple malay rojak. "kalau forum ni kena warning ..apa you boleh buat? kena saman you boleh tanggung ah?" you will just run away and say all sort of reason that make you feel u have a point. The moderators have done their job well. So you dont have to create flame nor arguing on what they do. They are protecting the majority of forumers here, and not some people with 1000 account. So dont keep asking why and etc. Remember...a private forum is like a private house with guards. u dont go tell the guards how to color the house. enough just respect and give suggestion. they dont listen...move on. End..

Here is the link from the first one which has been closed:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2560750

Shown below is the final entry before it was closed:
As you can see, the previous topic was simply closed, hence my point of "being more effective to remove oneself from the discussion is easier online". However, in real life, we will be expected to be courteous towards one another.

expected, yes, but not a must. Any one can be courteous and not at any given time. The way you go IRL like you doing here will be met with the same reply situation here.

In reference to what you were saying about how one can choose to decline to answer my questions in real life, here is my question:

Why? What is the justification and rationale behind of denying an answer to a question?
why izzit there must be an answer? Sometimes even if i have an answer for something, I still can choose not to say it (see the next reply below)

Do you simply not know the answer to the question, or was it something else? Was it psychological insecurity?
This...this is one of the reason why I personally choose to be rude and walk away IRL. Why the insinuative comment? ..sheesh...

Remember, if you continue to close or even suspend me because of this topic, IT PROVES MY POINT. It is indeed easier for you to IGNORE a discussion by digitally removing it from your sight.

Yes, when the argument is baseless and shoddy, no point entertaining them. The "Dont argue with a ****, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience " ring true here

However, in real life, we will be expected to be civil to one another, as there are no ways to simply "remove yourself" from the discussion. If you do indeed decline to answer any of the questions, you will be seen as being discourteous and impolite for simply walking away or even been seen as someone who is ignorant and being in denial to simply remove yourself from the discussion in real life. As a matter of fact, the act of actually closing the previous discussion simply shows an utter lack of decorum.

IRL, people tend to be civil, this includes the starter of question as well. I would hard expect people to harp on the things you keep saying here IRL and expect the other be civil. So the "rudely remove self from discussion" do happens IRL but depends on situations

The fact you cannot "close" a topic like that in real life, gives better justice in a discussion.
yeah, our parliment IRL have that going well
I'm not starting politics here but being face to face does not guarantee a justice to any discussion

Imagine this situation. A huge tragedy happened in the family. Do you know how important it is to have an organic discussion between each other?
like wkkay said, totally not relevant and wrong use of analogy

Hence your lack of participation may be due to your impression towards the significance of this discussion. How about I reveal one of the topics then?

Look at my warning bar which is at 50%. One of the topics involved was, "Why the Health & Fitness forums only have one race in the background?" which was opened in this thread"

Now you may have your reasons of suspending me, but I wanted a real life discussion, because I am considering this as something IMPORTANT, hence I want to bring it into real life.
then go amongst your friend and acquaintance. I dont see the need to find stranger to discuss some issues of "Importance" to you. Better yet go to Speaker Corners or just the T-junction of your housing estate and have IRL with stranger all you like.

So what will you do? Will you close this topic again, or even suspend me further, HENCE PROVING MY POINT that you rather walk away than to actually, and SINCERELY find out what it is all about?

You are right that this may be a hassle. This is because I am treating this as something important. So if you don't treat this as importantly enough as I do, it proves another thing as well, which should be OBVIOUS in the first place:

Your importance is differs from mine as well as others. This site does not cater to any particular individual needs, it do move towards the general masses perception of acceptable/rejected ideas. To bad the masses are not on your side (since your haven't much support from other user) or they don't care enough to support your point. Everyone has a point, too bad yours doesn't gel with the masses

That you simply just don't care, and pretend as if there is really nobody behind your monitor.

my thought anyway...

LOL @ TS for saying you cannot close a topic in real life. Closing topic in real life is as easy as declining to answer. It has nothing to do with being civil.

The previous thread was closed because the answer given was final and sufficiently clear.

Now what I am curious about, is WHAT issue do you have that you must take so much of your own time to write such long winded text despite answer NO was already given to you.

This is a forum. Like what I mentioned elsewhere, unless you have a super duper proposal that benefits both lowyat.net and the forum users in many folds - I don't see any purpose on why anyone should even meet you.

Which is why it would be interesting to have a heart-to-heart conversation about it.


You missed the point of the analogy. When you removed my topics, you "saved" people being insecure and agitated from the sensitive topic. The "closure" of the topic is exactly the "death" I was referring to, i.e. the death of ideas.

I understand how you will follow certain guidelines given to you by Malaysian law. The reason of the discussion was exactly to question the inconsistency of the morality behind the laws and guidelines which you are currently following and enforcing.


Perhaps the content of the topic can be changed. But the topic was not an intention to stereotype people of different races, it is a discussion of the existing stereotypes in order to reach an understanding of how stereotypes work, and how each race has it's so-called "professional" stereotype. And just because it sounded like a flame-bait, the failure to grasp the intentions behind the topic should be blamed upon the thread starter for not considering the insecurity of the public. Instead, it should be the responsibility of the public, or at least, the responsibility of those who govern the public to allow the topic to be created in the first place. Now you may insist, MAJORITY is more powerful than MINORITY, it is not necessarily true, as shown in the analogy of public interest vs. individual liberty.

Which is important to you? Public interest? Or individual liberty? Should an individual's liberty be sacrificed in the name of public interest?

Too bad there are actually REAL people behind your monitor. Nobody is asking to demand for happiness. The goal here is to have a discussion. Not company to company, but HUMAN BEING to HUMAN BEING.

But what if the private house is silencing the ideas of individuals just because the public does not like it?

Is that true JUSTICE?

If we're talking between a human being to another, ask yourself, is this JUSTICE?

You did not read in full. I did not say you cannot close a topic in real life. I said due to our tendency to be civil in real life, simply walking away from a discussion will be more difficult compared to online discussion. It is exactly the civility which will keep you from making an instantaneous decision about simply walking way from a discussion, as you will be seen as an impression that you are simply RUDE to simply walk away without a proper understanding from both parties in the discussion.

What ISSUE? How about the the belief of standing for what it is TRULY RIGHT? TRUE JUSTICE? QUESTIONABLE MORALITY? If these topics HUMAN VALUES are not important to you, then I submit to you, that you are indeed an ignorant to what makes a human being? Am I not a human being to you?

Forum or not, you seemed to missed the point of the discussion. It is not to give or take something in value. It is a DISCUSSION to find out what is RIGHT, and what is WRONG.

Listen. If you don't actually care about these things, why don't you simply say this:

"Look. Truthfully speaking, I don't care. I run this forum how I want, no matter what you may find questionable or not. I just don't care."

Use those sentences. Because if you truly do not care, I think it will be pointless for me to go on.

Because if it is true that you do not care, I can at least tell myself:

"Stop trying to talk to this people. They do not care, except for their own interests. And if their own interests ask you to shut up, you must shut up, because YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to your IDEAS."

In other words, if you truly do not care, I want you to make a public confession:

Say this: "I am a dictator, who does not care about other thoughts. This is a dictatorship, and there is no room for individual liberty and ideas

This is dumb. If you don't really care if there is an actual HUMAN BEING behind your monitor, why do you PRETEND as if you do?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 30 2012, 06:02 PM

Perhaps before stating your obvious facts to the moderators, why not ask those forumers to come out and hear you talk heart-to-heart. Then probably we will just abolish this cyber-world gap and you can have a real life forum.

Just a thought...hhmmm....

Btw, I was quite tempted to quote you Raja Petra's quote in regards to "rights" vs "privileges". But on the other hand, you may want to search it up yourself at his No Holds Barred.

...not to be a sexist but, I'm sorry, you sounded like a female.

Why would speaking to forummers in real life would be "okay", but not to the moderators? After all, the moderators and administrators are the ones I am questioning, not the other forummers.

I know what you were talking about rights and privileges. But I am speaking about something that it more than liberty. It is the question of what it is RIGHT and WRONG, and that act of questioning should be an ABSOLUTE RIGHT.

What's your point here to be really honest? If your point of creating this havoc is just to attract attention, why not get a life - go out to the park, meet some chicks, and not feel lonely anymore?

You obviously did not read.

This thread isn't feedback for the forum. I'm moving it to Kopitiam where it belongs.

Guess what ? We are having a discussion right now.

Why don't you have a seat and I'll grab a cup of coffee and we can start discussing. Lets call it Pressing Issues with Deadlocks

Already in Kopitiam? Well here I came trollin then!

Tempting to post something unseful since the moment I lays my eyes on the OP

Thanks Shadow Kun.

wahh dah habis kerja kat MS tech support?

I bought second copy already. resisting the temptation is too hard. I give in the devil for second time...

With a such a move to move the entire thread to Kopitiam, do you think they are capable to withhold a rational discussion?

Point?

So are you saying that you can't have decent conversation with people in kopitiam.

An assumption.

Perhaps even more qualified than the Main Site/Forum Feedback and Helpdesk that you're insinuating?

I am not merely seeking a discussion. I am seeking an actual, organic discussion where it will be harder to simply leave a discussion hanging.

In real life, you finish the discussion. You can't just close a topic nor move it like how one of the mods did it. They can leave if they want to, but it's harder to do it in real life, you see.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 30 2012, 08:33 PM

Personally, everyone has a finite time in this world. How we spend our time in this world it is entirely up to us, which forms the basis of our freedom. Freedom to think and make our own decisions.

Now what you want is to enforce that everyone you want to meet or want to meet to have a heart to heart conversation or whatever that they must at least respond to you. By doing so, what difference is that to a dictator who implements a curfew to a nation and says that they need to sleep at a certain time or not leave their homes?

The same goes in a conversation. I have my own freedom to decide if I shall pursue or continue the conversation or just decline it. Look at it this way, you are going to have a heart to heart conversation with anyone who just walks up to you? You think if you go up to our prime minister, straight away you are going to have a fantastic heart to heart conversation with him?

I believe it is everyone's right to choose who they want to talk to and how they want to answer. I believe that it is in your freedom that you choose to post this question here in the forum demanding that you get an answer but the fact on the basis, we all have the freedom not to choose. We are neither obligated by law nor any moral ethics other than just pure courtesy.

you butthurt, end of story

That is an idealistic thinking. If in real life we can finish discussions, none of the world problems would ever arise and solutions can be available. Nothing is perfect in this world, including conversations and discussions.

Here is something you should know - this is a message board. So how do you propose to do , that we all should sit together and have a round-table discussion . Here is the thing - we are in a discussion forum.

Oh dear. Are we all incapable of rational discussion?

I'm really baffled by the kind of person you are.

I mean, it is like you are assuming we all don't know how to have what you called 'organic discussion'.

Are you implying something that only the great Deadlocks knows that we all don't?

Give me a break!

Perhaps most refuse to meet you because of your weird mentality of discussion that adds nothing but going around in circles.

Deadlock, why don't u get straight to the point? after reading what u said, my thought are : your point of face2face conversation is so u can exploit other people's weakness. that's really not right from the beginning. just my 2 cents. Forums's main purpose is for non-face2face conversation, why need to drag to outside world? if u need to, there's plenty of place to do so. go out and have a great day. other people have their right to be silent.

This post has been edited by mackioes: Oct 30 2012, 08:53 PM

I am not questioning the freedom of your choice. I am questioning the reasoning, rationality, and morality behind your choice. I have plenty of experience in online discussions where people simply leave a discussion hanging when they have nothing to say, and the discussion was left hanging, only hoping to not acquaint me in the future so that I do not remind them about it.


Your idea of idealism is that because it is idealistic, it should be avoided. Then wouldn't idealism be simply classified as bullsh*t? You know, when people in the past used to idealize that we can build machines to allow us to fly? That kind of "bullsh*t"? The idea of building tall poles to hold wires for electricity?

The idea is treating the issue as serious as possible so that a discussion can AT LEAST TAKE PLACE. As a matter of fact, I don't see a problem at all about a discussion unless you are not confident at all to take place in the discussion in the first place.


So how is different here, in comparison to the Feedback forums? If what you say is indeed true, why would this thread be moved in the first place? Think carefully.


Then fight with me in the Feedback forums, or sit on the fence indecisively.

That's only because you refuse to care, and when you don't care, you won''t even bother to try to understand, or even ask the parts which you do not understand.

I am curious why do you say that? Are you saying that...in actuality, the mods and admins I wish to meet in real life has something to hide? Like how a thief will be afraid to approach a police man in comparison to when they can approach their friends?

What do you mean that I can exploit their weaknesses? I am curious of this.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 30 2012, 08:58 PM

wah.........

summary needed

yeah yeah, TLDR, what's the moral of the story?

close this thread lah.. nothiing to say here ..

dear ts, lowyat is like a house. u are invited but must respect house owner's rule. u are afterall free guest.

But what if the RULE is WRONG?

does not matter, you are not the owner. stay and obey, or leave.

Then u should get lost before being sent lost...? LOL.
I think ts is drunk or high on grass

This post has been edited by andrew9292: Oct 30 2012, 09:38 PM

Told ya, he is going around in circles.

What if RULE is WRONG?

Really screwed up this fellow.

Is this something you wish to teach your children? To ignore people who does something wrong, and to shun away people who does something right?

anyone can make rule based on his desire. for example, a malay owner of a condo can say that u cant cook pork in his condo. u as tenant hve to agree if u are ok. if not, just move along. same as kopitiam, u dont like the rule here, move along. its their right to impose such rule abd its ur right to not to accept n move out.

yes; my place, my rules. else, GTFO.

i dont teach children, i just guide them. wrong or right is subjective. it can change as time flies. eg, 200 years ago, slavery is legal, now its illegal.

You mean like a dictatorship?

Boring people normally regard what they say as extremely exciting although others may find them boring. Malays call this ‘shiok sendiri’. It is like mental masturbation. They get turned on by the sound of their own voice and they think that others also get a hard on just because they do. Hence they get very upset when we find their comment too low standard and not worthy of publishing. They cannot accept the fact that their comment is not good enough for publishing. But I suppose that is the problem with shiok sendiri readers.

You're talking about meetup and I just gave you a solution. Your issue is we closed your topic but you are not pleased with our justifications hence you want a face to face discussion on such issues.

That is why, I gave you a solution which doesn't even need to involve the forum's moderator where you can moderate yourself by having an open live forum with actual human face to face interaction. But no, you commented it is like a female. Haha, how ironic is that you are the ine whom suggested it first.

If you still cannot see the point towards your own suggestion, then I do really pity you.

But what if excitement isn't the purpose here?

no, dont confuse private own and public own. lowyat is not a nation, its privately own

Well it seems that we are going around in circles !

wow, too long man... whats wrong?

Moral of the story: This is what deadlocks is trying to say.

Please do not sway from the main point and act as if my comment on you on being a female is relevant. It isn't.

And how exactly your suggestion will help me again? I am requesting for the moderators acquaintance who made the relevant decisions. I am not requesting for a number of people to be classified as a forum.

But if you think carefully about the human psyche behind it, wouldn't it be simply a dictatorship?

I didn't thought of that.

Actually you do not have any rights in lowyat.net. You see lowyat.net is not a democracy. No one appointed se7en or elected se7en to head lowyat.net. se7en set up lowyat.net and appointed himself. So se7en call the shots, not you. Hence se7en decide what happens in lowyat.net and se7en can even make up the rules and change them as we go along.

You don't sway my point. My main point was never on the female portion which I related back to you.
The main point is stated clearly but if you do fail to see it, then maybe other ppl can point it out to you as I gave up rationalizing with you.

But I will stick to this topic to entertain myself if my daughter is not seeking for my attention.

Don't lar quote Raja Petra.

i gave up. mod/staff, please do the needful

Lulz..TS buthurt lettew....


Sappork gold fries....


asyik nak vroom vroom je..insafla...



Low yat is serious business..Lulz...

That is precisely why I am still fighting.

Fair enough. But as usual, as as how I have pointed out, online discussions can indeed be left hanging easily compared to real life conversation.

Your hesitation to passionately reply is an evidence.

Hence don’t start screaming about your right to post comments in LYN. You have no rights whatsoever. You are merely a guest and as a guest se7en will allow you certain privileges. And se7en can also take away these privileges or deny you any privileges. And se7en do not need any reason to do that. Maybe se7en don’t like your smell or your hairstyle or he thinks your skin is too dark or your eyes too shifty or whatever. se7en need no reason and se7en need not tell you his reason. That is how it works.

This post has been edited by vandar59: Oct 30 2012, 10:02 PM

i dont think u have much experience in real life if thats what you believe.

in real life, you will be also left hanging on the table as I have also left.

Isn't that the reason why a person should be fighting for?

I do not ask for a satisfaction guaranteed discussion in real life. I am asking for an existence of such discussions in real life, and specifically with the mods and admins.

Specifically.

Are you a stakeholder in LYN ?

tired of copy pasting


so you just randomly go into someones house and demand that he paint his walls black just because you dont like the colour of his walls?

But at least I get to see how discourteous a person can be who can simply leave like that.

Real life discussions are harder to leave compared to online ones, because like I said, we are expected to be civil. Leave the table without coming to a mutual understanding, it's simply rude, and at least when I get to see how rude you are, I will, indeed, forfeit the entire endeavour for a CIVIL discussion, because obviously you could not hold one.

So if being impolite is your forte, please, for your daughter's sake, do not let her be influenced that way.

undocumented, and unrecorded, believe me...having discussions in real life is must much more frustrating when ppl twist and turn the topic out of context and u cant quote anything to prove your point.

i'd take a forum discussion over real life discussion anytime.

Morally, yes.

Except that I am fighting for something that is more important than the colour of walls.

Haha, you are a funny chap. Then what are going to do, sit by the table for days, weeks, months because you have your own reasoning and I have mine?! Hence am glad that I am seen to be rude to help you have a life if Indeed this happened in real life.

With people like you, yes. With certain type of people, they ignore your online discussion and leave you hanging in the conversation.

nope.

he's just going to label u as rude.

Posting in RWI

owai...

I find it funny that he talks about how people should be civil, yet civil itself is based of rules of live that we follow.

Oh wait, rule is dictationship!

tsk tsk... Happening here wor...

maybe u oughta learn to respect other ppl's decision to not be involved?

Congrats on your promotion

yeah...so plis...dont close this thread.

let him have a discussion.

count me in.

Oh, you will leave the table eventually, rude or not. It's just that you will never understand my passion over issues like this behind the monitor.

I have done the needful and promoted him to be an Honorary Admin, while demoting all the others to regular members. I only hope that he can grace us with his wisdom of forum administration matters.

hey screw u! im jealous!

Posting in Admin's tered

owaii..

yeah but what if others dont share your passion?

screw u too.

We all did the rightful thing. Hey look I'm just a regular member like you in this thread

What can honorary admin do?

have a beer

life's good without the responsibilites mang

ts, u need real life frens that are willing to listen to your story.

u must be single.

tw, i dont understand about the health and fitness forum, one race as back ground, be a man, what race is it? chinese? malay? indian? and what is the problem? everytime must put 3 races? asking for 3 races is also racist u know.

Well ask him , he is the administrator. I think he wants to meet with all the members and things like that.

teongpeng, couldn't agree more

Except that in this forum, the civility is only equivalent to whether they should ignore your opinions and questions, or not.

Which is why I not questioning the freedom of choice. I am questioning the rationality and morality behind the choice.

I understand your sarcasm. But it is not what I want.


They will do the inevitable, which is to leave. Like I said, I am not seeking for a satisfactory discussion. I am seeking for an existence of a discussion.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 30 2012, 10:21 PM