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 1996 Wira Aeroback 1.6l, Engine Stalled & High FC

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post Oct 22 2012, 10:29 AM, updated 14y ago

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hello sifus,
I have a very worn out wira aeroback 1.6l auto. Currently i have two problems with this car.

1) Engine stalled when the gear is in N during braking/ idle in front traffic light. It only happened 4 times. Normally after the engine stalled, i just have to ignite the engine and it's ready to go. But the recent incident i was not able to start the engine at all. after like 5-10 mins i tried again and it works again. Checked with my mechanic and he suspects is the throttle body issue. he told me that the throttle body will cost about rm700. However, he said that he does not guarantee that will solve the problem. any suggestion what are the other parts that might cause the problem?

2) High fuel consumption. The FC of the car has gone from worse to worst. Previously, the car able to run 250km on rm50 of petrol but now only can run 150km on rm50 :S do you guys think this issue is related to the engine stalling issue?

Hope to get input from all the sifus here on what are the cheap solutions available for this car. Thinking to change car by early next year. But have to make sure this Wira can last until then.

Thanks!! smile.gif

This post has been edited by lencent: Oct 22 2012, 10:44 AM
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post Oct 22 2012, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(masao343 @ Oct 22 2012, 10:33 AM)
since u already planned to replace the car, dont change the throttle body. waste money.
try getting a 2nd opinion (or 3rd) by visiting other mechanics.

actually unless u share more about your service/maintenance history of this car, its quite hard to give an assessment
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hmmm... when the stalling happened initially (1 month ago), i have sent the car to check and replaced the spark plugs, air filter, engine oil. Other things never touch before.


Added on October 22, 2012, 10:43 am
QUOTE(lencent @ Oct 22 2012, 10:29 AM)
hello sifus,
I have a very worn out wira aeroback 1.6l auto. Currently i have two problems with this car.

1) Engine stalled when the gear is in N during braking/ idle in front traffic light. It only happened 4 times. Normally after the engine stalled, i just have to ignite the engine and it's ready to go. But the recent incident i was not able to start the engine at all. after like 5-10 mins i tried again and it works again. Checked with my mechanic and he suspects is the throttle body issue. he told me that the throttle body will cost about rm700. However, he said that he does not guarantee that will solve the problem. any suggestion what are the other parts that might cause the problem?

2) High fuel consumption. The FC of the car has gone from worse to worst. Previously, the car able to run 250km on rm50 of petrol but now only can run 150km on rm50 :S do you guys think this issue is related to the engine stalling issue?

Hope to get input from all the sifus here on what are the cheap solutions available for this car. Thinking to change car by early next year. But have to make sure this Wira can last until then.

Thanks!! smile.gif
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post Oct 22 2012, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Mic_Xeno @ Oct 22 2012, 10:40 AM)
found out there was quite lots of mechanic claiming that throttle body problem when there was problem on the engine...
so you better double check 1st...normally when throttle body got problem...u'll be like riding a horse in ur car...-.-
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The car does not vibrate badly during idling. It only vibrates horribly when it is going to stall...
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post Oct 22 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(conan1 @ Oct 22 2012, 10:47 AM)
i hv a quick read on the blog. but for my case, normally with aircon no problem ler...


Added on October 22, 2012, 11:16 am
QUOTE(masao343 @ Oct 22 2012, 10:52 AM)
try cleaning the throttle body. as i know it affects the idling a lot (and during braking, engine stalls)
however, this does not explain your poor fuel consumption at all.
whats your car mileage to date?

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the thing circled in red is the throttle body. just disconnect the big rubber hose from airbox, then clean the throttle body with petrol or some solvent with a cloth. try to clean the "butterfly" as much as u can. best is if u can remove the entire throttle body and clean it, but this should do. try it
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thanks bro! any idea how much does it cost to do the cleaning outside? not a DIY fan...
the car mileage is about 196k km now.


Added on October 22, 2012, 11:17 amfor the high FC, i thinking if it is due to faulty carburettor?

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post Oct 22 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Omnipotent @ Oct 22 2012, 11:31 AM)
been through this...what you need is to check your speed sensor (located behind your meter panel)...either it's faulty or not enough earthing. bring it to a proper auto electrician to solder a new wire through it if it's not enough earth.

high FC could be due to faulty O2 sensor. likely the case due to the age of the car.

should be the case if my 14 yrs experience with the car serves me well. good luck
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hi,
Not to doubt your valuable input, but why does the speed sensor will affect the stalling issue?

May i know roughly how much does it cost to change the O2 sensor?

thanks!
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post Oct 22 2012, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(masao343 @ Oct 22 2012, 11:37 AM)
sorry really no idea how much to have it cleaned, as i usually clean it myself once a year. should be cheap? since its just cleaning, not really hard at all LOL. u gotta ask your trusted workshop...

faulty carb shouldn't affect FC as far as i know.
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thanks mate. i have checked on some tutorials and they need some cleaner which i have no idea where to get it. normally what cleaner do you use to clean ur TB?

thanks!
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post Oct 22 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(masao343 @ Oct 22 2012, 11:48 AM)
no need special cleaner la. cars are machines, no need too pamper IMHO  sweat.gif
i use either kerosene or petrol. use some old rag (old t-shirt works very well) dip in kerosene, then start use finger to clean the insides of the throttle body. clean the cyclindrical passage, and also pay attention to the butterfly. open the butterfly and try to clean as much as u can (i'm assuming u will only disconnect the big rubber hose and clean)
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noted. will try this weekend smile.gif

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 22 2012, 11:59 AM)
can consider pm'ing LYN ID thundergod_cid (aka elton) for help on cleaning the throttle body
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too bad i from JB sad.gif thanks for the info though!!
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post Oct 22 2012, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 22 2012, 01:07 PM)
get it posted and then ask him for instruction, i believe he got some youtube or something as well
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yea, just went through his Threebond carbon cleaner. sounds really promising smile.gif will give it a try!
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post Oct 22 2012, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(masao343 @ Oct 22 2012, 02:08 PM)
urm... how does this thing work? got link?
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1300861
Rm45 per bottle and seems like he will do it for you if you're in KL....
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post Oct 22 2012, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(GoldenHawk @ Oct 22 2012, 04:47 PM)
Sound like the cheapest alternative for you now but bear in mind you might get rough idling after this - mainly due to soot on your spark plugs. If you do, just unscrew your spark plugs, use some ThreeBond on the tips to clean them up, then put them back. Should do the trick smile.gif
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post Oct 22 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(tiganasfx @ Oct 22 2012, 05:37 PM)
Actually I second the Speed Sensor Failure theory. I had this happen before on my wife's Savvy (from new). Took proton 6 months to diagnose and it. Once the car even stalled when travelling on the highway.  mad.gif

From the fixya website....

The speed sensor in a vehicle controls a number of different systems and can noticeably affect the way a car will run. The speed sensor can be on the transmission, differential, transaxle or speedometer head. A bad or malfunctioning speed sensor on a vehicle can cause a wide variety of problems ranging from an inconsistent speedometer to what appear to be transmission problems. So a vehicle with a completely dead speed sensor may stall because the vehicle is not sending the right signals to the computer and does not adjust properly to idle.

Other Signs
Your vehicle may rumble or idle irregularly when you start it, or it may burn more fuel than normal. Also, your vehicle may lose power suddenly due to wrong signals sent from the speed sensor to the fuel system.
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hmm.gif will get a technician to check that for me. but dont know any electrician around my area... have to check it out...
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post Oct 22 2012, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(dont8cum @ Oct 22 2012, 05:56 PM)
i'm driving a wira 1.6 AT sedan.
i got my throttle body "serviced" for rm100. the mechanic tells me that it cannot guarantee it but until now no more mati engine problem.

and my FC is quite high also. rm50 for 230km like that. But i speed and revving.
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hi, what do you mean by 'service'? cleaning or replaced?

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post Oct 22 2012, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(dont8cum @ Oct 22 2012, 05:59 PM)
the mechanic use the word "REPROGRAM"  blink.gif . But after asking in the Wira thread i think i got conned la. But didn't bother cuz until now no problem already.  hmm.gif
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finger crossed that my car will be the same as you ><
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post Oct 22 2012, 06:08 PM

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probably will try to clean the carbon built-up in TB first before trying other things. wanna keep the repair cost low >< have to save up for downpayment ><
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post Oct 24 2012, 10:25 AM

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hello guys, it happened again and based on observation, the engine will stall when the car brakes/ stop after cruising at about 80-90kmh. Is it due to the ECU/ sensor unable to detect the change and hence the mixing of the air-fuel is not correct which causes the engine to stall? sorry, noob in car here sad.gif

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post Oct 24 2012, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(masao343 @ Oct 24 2012, 10:39 AM)
have u cleaned your throttle body, bro?
try this. when cruised at 80kmh, brake and see your RPM dip. how low did it get to?
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still waiting for the threebond carbon cleaner sad.gif i will update once i try that...


Added on October 24, 2012, 11:07 ambut what makes me wonder is why do i have to wait for about 5-10mins before i can start moving the car again. as in, i can start the engine but the moment i switch to D, the engine will stall.

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post Oct 26 2012, 09:04 AM

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hi all, i have cleaned my TB. throttle response is better now, but idling with aircon N gear will maintain at about 700 to 800. is that ok? and i noticed that a breather hose connecting the rubber hose to the engine block has some cracks due to the age. would it be the root cause for the engine stalling issue?
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post Oct 29 2012, 11:26 PM

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hi all, it seems cleaning the TB doesnt solve the problem with high fuel consumption. any idea how to check if the O2 sensor is faulty? and how much to repalce it? thanks!
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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Nov 30 2012, 11:38 AM)
Hi Bro,

My Wife's wira 1.6 car got the same issue as no 1.

After changing the Throttle body, the engine will still die the moment you engage to "D" gear. Then the mechanic change the Computer Box. Now the car can move but it wont change gear. The current gears that can be used are "P, R, N, D(3)" it wont change to "D(1,2 & 4), 2 & L". The moment you change to 2 or L... it still feels like you are on 3rd Gear.

The mechanic now suspects it's the Gearbox problem.

Btw below are the charges:

Throttle Body = RM 450 (Chop shop)
Computer Box = RM 480 (Chop shop)
Service Charge = RM 50

By changing the above the car can be driven but still have the geabox issue (suspected by the mechanic).

Charges to change gearbox.

Gearbox = RM1,800
ATF Oil = RM 120
Service Charge = RM 200.

FYI, I have not change the gearbox yet. The car now it sitting at home.

Btw, did the speed sensor cleaning helped fix your issue?
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hey bro,
my car is now okay after changing the bloody TB which costs RM450 :S but it still suffers from serious loss of engine power...

i did not clean the speed sensor. i think you better get second opinion before changing the gearbox. i had similar issue last time and changed the gearbox only without changing anything else.

 

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