please share your comments on the reason of your choice

i was looking for good to average FC
2nd value not my concern since i'm going to use this as long run

if u ask me about both, i rather go for ford cos naza after sales and service is really bad

new ford focus really small K5 is bigger but gadget wise ford focus winner lah
if u intend to use for long run can consider Forte 2.0 too

test drive all the car then u can have a clearer picture

for me i m still aiming for Ford TDCI hehe

Ford focus better specs and more reliable.
Kia k5 looks very tempting and naise but I wouldn't take a risk at Korean cars, maybe in another 10 years see how they perform

Gaya K5

Focus has autopark. Focus interior is soo cramped!

Whatever under Sime Darby doesn't fare well either...

Focus has a more refined drive from engine, transmission, steering and suspension. K5 is a big car, 2.0 isn't really enough a car that size.

focus is a better car to drive. k5 is bigger though.

well i agree spec wise focus is much better than k5
but i'm concern on focus interior space and also on dual clutch power shift worry i'm not used to it

Focus is C-segment while optima k5 is D-segment.. so in term of space the K5 is much bigger...

but if me, i'll choose the focus. it's much more refined and the engineering is matured.

yea the only thing i like on optima is on the interior space is much bigger coz it's d segment car and also the look

and my current car is also and c-segment

You want get famous.
Go K5

From the outlook already win.

I try focus before and also sit behind when my fre test drive..to me ford seat quick 'hard' not very comfortable.
K5 no doubt to say is big and comfortable car, but power so so

service center... limited ford SC now if compare to Kia
anywhere better you go test drive both car first..

C segment vs D segment. Only 1 answer.

They trolling in this thread only.

Back to topic.

To TS, you should list down on what your priority on buying the car (technology? More gadget? Space? Service Center?) so that we can advise you better.

honestly when 1 people 1 2 buy the car ofcoz all 1 2 be the best

if base on your fist requirement of good fc, then focus is the car. K5 can get 650km for full tank of RM120 RON95 petrol 100%city drive. Very light right foot/acceleration thou

Is this based on your own personal experience or just word of mouth?

Ive been servicing at both Kia and Toyota for a number of years. Kia has improved alot which gave me confidence to go for my 2nd Kia this year. So far, i havent encountered any bad service from Naza Kia. But there will alwats be some bad apples everywhere the same with even Toyota. But i also find Naza Kia's warranty terms much better compared to even Toyota. Not sure about Ford.

Price wise the Ford Focus Titanium + is RM15,000 cheaper than the K5. The Focus + has got better specs and its ride and handling is also better. Its a Ford after all. But the main drawback of the Focus is its interior space. I still can't fathom why Ford created a C segment car this small.

But the K5 is a D segment and its interior space is comparable to the new Camry. Its design is also surely a head turner. It has all the important specs you would want in a car. Of course the Focus comes with a few extra luxuries which is quite good as well.

So its actually a difficult choice. If you dont mind the cramped interior and the average design, then the C segment Focus + would be a good buy at RM128,888 (OTR). But if you prefer a spacious D segment car with a great design, spacious interior, more than sufficient specs and you dont mind paying 15K more, then the K5 should be your choice.

Either way, you have to test drive both a few times in order to get a better understanding.

If u need more info about the K5:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2469087


This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 18 2012, 03:39 PM

Pls go test drive....

Nothing anyone here say will be more valuable to your decision makign process then a good ol' test drive. Cause a car is a very personal thing, sometimes all the specs in the world is secondary to a "feel good" factor u get when on the wheel.

If once you still cannot decide... feel free to test drive 9 times before deciding.

This post has been edited by MeToo: Oct 18 2012, 04:33 PM

If you do not need big interior space, mostly driven by yourself only or plus 1 girlfriend or wife and a friend behind, then the new Focus is a clear winner, I found the new Focus is much nicer design then the K5, but my personal taste lar, maybe you like the K5 design. I once sitting in my friend K5 on highway, honestly, not really comfortable, and when the speed reach 140km/h, I found the car is starting to shake, or maybe my friend K5 got problem already because D-segment vehicle shouldn't be like this one.

I wonder how is the spare part price for the Focus. I remember last time checking in the old focus forum they had complains about expensive spare parts and slow approval for warranty.

I don't know how it is now.

How did it shake? Suspension shaking? Steering wheel? How long did the shake last? Was it continous? Which highway were you on and at what location did this happen? First time im hearing about the K5 'shaking' at 140kmph.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 18 2012, 05:30 PM

thanks for all the valueable info
guess i will go on a test drive maybe this weekend see how it goes

one more factor i'm considering is the car cornering stability

Car cornering?

I think Ford Focus had upperhand here, as Ford car is famous for its handling, driving dynamics.

Besides that, Ford Focus had Torque Vectoring control, means it can control the distribution of power to the each tires on the front wheel, give you more control on cornering.

Also Ford is using Gasoline Direction Injection Engine to churn out more power compare to the current MPI engine

This post has been edited by lcy851031: Oct 18 2012, 06:47 PM

K5, cornering chun, just the suspension abit stiff..

ur answer should be ford as u stated 2nd value not concern u are using it for long run .. kia long run i think even u dont want to sell also cannot

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Added on October 18, 2012, 8:10 pmeverything got 1st times .. someday u will start hear a lot more and even T and H car also same .. the main problems is can it be repair or it become worse and need more and more part to replace ?

This post has been edited by keanutan: Oct 18 2012, 08:10 PM

do you mean that kia long run will having problem?

Get the Ford Mondeo.

End of the story.

If only FC is priority, the answer will be Focus. Since TS also mentioned use as long can run, have you consider the space for family.

To me, I have booked Focus+ for my wife new daily ride for her coming birthday present.Space is not my concern as I've MPV for family purpose. Reliability wise, I've myvi for backup. I myself using 15 years old honda.

List down the criteria required, put priority to that criteria, test drive both, put the score point in your own prepared score sheet. Total the points and take the highest score. Thats how I did since the requirement and criteria are subjective and dependant on the owner or driver. Take note that you might be together with the car for 20 years as my Honda and I which will be 16 years by feb next year. Hopefully, it still can serve me well for next 10 years.

Nobody knows. What we have now are new generation Kia's. Many things have been improved. We can't judge the cars we have today using the standards employed before. So this is a question that nobody will be able to answer.

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Added on October 18, 2012, 10:03 pmWhy is cornering stability important for you? Are you planning high speed drives?

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 18 2012, 10:03 PM

Focus got sexy look. K5 got uncle look.
R u an uncle, or want sexy look car?

K5 also sexy what,,, btw beauty is in the eye of beholder

not high speed drives
just that when i rush i tend to seldom pressing the brake instead just cruising by controling the car using stering and gas paddle

U wont find any problem taking corners in the K5 with its 18 inch rims. But the Focus should be good as well.

of course no problem la...
all cars also can corner la...

question is how well and balance it will be at entering, during and exiting only....

i mean every car long run will have problem only which 1 come first and more frequent .. if u believe in KIA can last longer then FORD then go for Killed In Action .. where is all the kia spectra and accent now ? to me kia is hot in the market now is the exterior .. maybe it getting better but then need some ppl to buy it and run it for few more years before we know .. while ford long been used by malaysia ppl still got some problem but not big issue . if u ask anyone between fod and kia which will last longer before part need replace or something broken most will say it is ford ..

Such old school. Kids.

now u mean choosing ford instead of ur Kia is old school +kid? it just i still dont have confident on kia car .. the only thing i like is the exterior .. that why i should say thank you for choosing kia so when times pass u will show to us kia have improve and lot more will jump in to buy kia or hyundai .. u got the ball to buy it i dont have bcos i'm not the 1 who will fork out 130k for a car that no body can say it is good and will not give me headache to buy another car in the coming 5 years?

Cybermaster's ride is a K5.

So bear with him if he feels uneasy when someone bashes Kia or K5.

aiya no need fight la, just go test both car your own and choose the one suitable to you.. without test drive your own even thousands feedback here also no use because sometime ppl think ok but you can't accept it..

Alright. Fair comment. But i dont think its fair to make general assumptions that since the previous models were crap hence the current ones will be crap too. Nobody knows at this stage if the current models will be durable in the long run or otherwise. Even i dont. They could prove to be more durable than even Toyota or worse than Proton. Lets just wait and see.

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Added on October 19, 2012, 11:42 amI dont feel uneasy bout anybody bashing anything. But bash based on facts. Durability for the current models are unknown so its pointless to generalise that since previous models were problematic hence current models would be the same. As ive said many times, every car has its drawbacks and the K5 isn't without its own.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 19 2012, 11:43 AM

Sir... what is this question imply? Car manufacturer shouldn't keep improve the stability if we don't drive fast?
should stop there?

if NO.. then what is ur question about?

Sir.. U mean any car with bigger Rim will be stable? what do u mean by taking corner there? in what degree, what speed etc?


thank u sir...

I vote K5 lah, come lah join me to book the car when the new engine arrived
dont worry on reliability since the car was engineered for 10 years warranty
but sound system on focus impress me lah. radio look just so so but the sound wau!

Maybe u should read your own statement before asking. I was refering to the K5 rims and based on my own experience. Or didnt i make it clear enough? I asked the question for more clarification from the person who posted it. Wait for his reply instead of asking counter questions.

taking along the same line

previous protons are crap, so the newer ones are crap too..

fair ka?

mayb the other way round
last time T been very good now T is good also?

Maybe you should ask those who made such comments. I actually think the Preve was a good step up for Proton.

I voted the Ford. But it is up to you, test both cars and decide your own.

Both car doesnt come with cheap price. Make sure u got all satisfaction before pulling the trigger.

I am also facing the same problem... but m more towards the k5, cause:

1) The design is great, no doubt about that...
2) I am 185cm, when I sit in the focus, i need to push the driver's seat almost all the way back, then left with a space only enough for kid..
3) The optima has been lauched for quite a long time now in US, so far, no bad comments, or and recalls.. for tat u can always check youtube and surf around the net and look for it...
4) Ok, may be this is a bit too much, but the glove box is kinda too small in focus, and I dont like the centre arm rest cabinet, cause if u see carefully, it is held closed by plastics, I mean, both hook and lock are made of plastic... (feels a bit cheap)
5) The push button start for focus, is not really a nice 'push button start' system, wat i mean is, you need to press and hold on to the button till the engine stays on, whereas most other push button start system, you just need to press and release..
6) Although focus comes with push button start, but you can notice they didnt redesign the dash properly, cause it wont take long for u to notice that there is actually a hole (looks like originally for the key ignition) which is covered by a plastic cap.
7) There is no doubt the driving experience is better for focus, you can really feel it, just the steering and suspension, ford has done very well here...
8) The DRL on focus is quite dim, or may be the angle is directed towards the floor, cause I can hardly make out the DRL in focus, even in the night...
9) The parking assist is awesome, although I hav only tried it in a wide parking space, since I couldnt find a space thats narrow enough... but the focus parks the car nicely in the spot... but also, I hav asked the SA regarding the parking assist, he honestly told me most drivers used the parking assist is only 20% of the time, cause it wont be able to detect parking space thats too narrow (esp in m'sia) and which comes to my main point, the front and rear parking sensors do come in handy
10) this is my personal preference, I dont like the handbrake design in focus, it feels like the break is pulled out of the central console next to the gear shift, worst design ever ( for me)

Those above few points, are the few things I observed when I test drove both cars, these are my views..

Gud luck

The only reason u would buy the K5 over the Ford is because you need the space, everything else the focus is just better ( FC, handling, NVH, servicing wise i am not so sure, my ford is doing just fine ) and of course u can afford the extra 15k over the Ford.

I confirmed with Ford in the FoFo FB page that it is only meant as a side lamp, not a DRL. Similar system to the Preve.

My mom have 3 cars in mind to change her current Civic now.

Focus Titanium+, K5 and Passat Sport

Focus, test drove 2 times. The SA doesnt seem to know much about the car, the SC looks horrible. The interior space is so cramped. The interior colour gets dirty easily. The steering leather feels rough. No resale value

K5 - mom say its too big, high fuel consumption. And she watched the video on YouTube on some guys rattle issues with his K5. Also no resale value..

Passat Sport - went to showroom at Jalan Ampang, no SA even bothered to attend to us..

Aspects which the K5 has an advantage over the Focus:

1) Being a D segment, the K5 offers much more interior & boot space
2) Exterior design (subjective)
3) The K5 has a higher NHTSA safety rating compared to the Focus (4 stars)
4) Unlimited mileage warranty

Not very major factors but still factors nevertheless.

In the city, I think the ford focus will be more fuel efficient than the K5

All 3 cars wont have good resale value. So why bother comparing a limiting factor that all 3 cars share?

How do u know the K5 has high fuel consumption? Did you check it out yourself? Ive managed to travel 780km on 80L of fuel with 80% highway at 160-170kmph. The remaining 20% in stop start KL traffic. This is considered quite good considering that the K5 is actually underpowered for its body weight.

Are you trying to look for the perfect car then? Sadly, u aint gonna find it. You have access to the internet. Do some research on the various problems which have plagued ALL car manufacturers in the world. The Focus itself has faced 2 recalls in the America this year alone. But does that make it a bad car? Surely not. What about the millions of Toyotas which were recalled a number of times in the past few years. So is Toyota crap too? In 2010, Ferrari issued a wordwide recall of its brand new 458 Italia after a number of these cars caught fire at various locations around the world. How does this compare with some Youtube video about a rattling issue? So are you gonna say Ferrari's are crap too?

If these are your criteria's in choosing a car, then your mum's best bet would be the public transport.

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Added on October 22, 2012, 10:33 pmSurely. Much lighter car.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 22 2012, 10:33 PM

Were looking for something that wont give us problems. Once in a while can lah, but not the cars that needs to send to SC 2 times a month.. (got a pug that have build quality issues already at home, rattling and squeaking),

And we rarely travel outside of KL. so yeah, fc is gonna be bad. Mom's current civic gets around 9.7l/100km in city drive..

This post has been edited by Boy96: Oct 22 2012, 11:52 PM

Well, FC depends alot on your driving style. Some ppl think they are driving economically but in actual fact they arent. You can still rake up high fuel bills on a car thats supposedly 'high consumption'. When driving cars that arent economical, you need to adjust your driving style to suit. No high revs from standstill, faster upshifts while cruising, avoid hard braking & acceleration, etc. If you can emply all these methods, you will find that a supposedly 'uneconomical' car can actually be quite economical in the long run.

But even if fuel costs are higher, how much higher are we talking about here? You say your mum gets 9.7L/100km currently with her Civic. If her new car only gets her 10.5L/100km for instance, ure talking about 39km less mileage for a full tank of 50L or 3.8L (RM 7.22) of extra fuel to reach the same range as your mum's Civic. Assuming she fills 2 full tanks a month, ure talking about RM 173 more in fuel costs to cover the same distance.

Yes I agree on all your points above, the main selling point is the SPACE it offers. For sure u will be more comfortable in a more spacious car, exterior design the K5 really looks good, but the focus is not ugly either . The unlimited mileage warranty is another important point to consider as well but now that the latest focus has 200k km warranty i think that's more than enough for 5 years of driving

i had just went test drive both the car
for ford focus i love the handling stability especially in cornering but space too small for me

for k5 space is good but handing not as good as focus

currently i'm driving nissan sentra b14 which i felt the space is just fairly enough

Just to share, i recently managed to test my Kia Optima K5's FC at a constant 110kmph for almost the entire full tank. Based on the 'fill-drive-fill-measure' concept, i covered 1011km on 76L of fuel. 90% of the journey was at a constant 110kmph. This equates to about 7.52L/100km average over 1000+km.

My previous record was 780km on 80L of fuel driving at 160-170kmph on 80% highway. This equates to 10.2L/100km. I measured this when my car was about 2 months old.

Fyi, the K5 is considered slightly underpowered due to its higher body weight. So these FC figures are quite acceptable i guess.

Not bad for a petrol and considering the power over weight ratio.