Is this based on your own personal experience or just word of mouth?

Ive been servicing at both Kia and Toyota for a number of years. Kia has improved alot which gave me confidence to go for my 2nd Kia this year. So far, i havent encountered any bad service from Naza Kia. But there will alwats be some bad apples everywhere the same with even Toyota. But i also find Naza Kia's warranty terms much better compared to even Toyota. Not sure about Ford.

Price wise the Ford Focus Titanium + is RM15,000 cheaper than the K5. The Focus + has got better specs and its ride and handling is also better. Its a Ford after all. But the main drawback of the Focus is its interior space. I still can't fathom why Ford created a C segment car this small.

But the K5 is a D segment and its interior space is comparable to the new Camry. Its design is also surely a head turner. It has all the important specs you would want in a car. Of course the Focus comes with a few extra luxuries which is quite good as well.

So its actually a difficult choice. If you dont mind the cramped interior and the average design, then the C segment Focus + would be a good buy at RM128,888 (OTR). But if you prefer a spacious D segment car with a great design, spacious interior, more than sufficient specs and you dont mind paying 15K more, then the K5 should be your choice.

Either way, you have to test drive both a few times in order to get a better understanding.

If u need more info about the K5:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2469087


This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 18 2012, 03:39 PM

How did it shake? Suspension shaking? Steering wheel? How long did the shake last? Was it continous? Which highway were you on and at what location did this happen? First time im hearing about the K5 'shaking' at 140kmph.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 18 2012, 05:30 PM

Nobody knows. What we have now are new generation Kia's. Many things have been improved. We can't judge the cars we have today using the standards employed before. So this is a question that nobody will be able to answer.

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Added on October 18, 2012, 10:03 pmWhy is cornering stability important for you? Are you planning high speed drives?

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 18 2012, 10:03 PM

U wont find any problem taking corners in the K5 with its 18 inch rims. But the Focus should be good as well.

Such old school. Kids.

Alright. Fair comment. But i dont think its fair to make general assumptions that since the previous models were crap hence the current ones will be crap too. Nobody knows at this stage if the current models will be durable in the long run or otherwise. Even i dont. They could prove to be more durable than even Toyota or worse than Proton. Lets just wait and see.

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Added on October 19, 2012, 11:42 amI dont feel uneasy bout anybody bashing anything. But bash based on facts. Durability for the current models are unknown so its pointless to generalise that since previous models were problematic hence current models would be the same. As ive said many times, every car has its drawbacks and the K5 isn't without its own.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 19 2012, 11:43 AM

Maybe u should read your own statement before asking. I was refering to the K5 rims and based on my own experience. Or didnt i make it clear enough? I asked the question for more clarification from the person who posted it. Wait for his reply instead of asking counter questions.

Maybe you should ask those who made such comments. I actually think the Preve was a good step up for Proton.

Aspects which the K5 has an advantage over the Focus:

1) Being a D segment, the K5 offers much more interior & boot space
2) Exterior design (subjective)
3) The K5 has a higher NHTSA safety rating compared to the Focus (4 stars)
4) Unlimited mileage warranty

Not very major factors but still factors nevertheless.

All 3 cars wont have good resale value. So why bother comparing a limiting factor that all 3 cars share?

How do u know the K5 has high fuel consumption? Did you check it out yourself? Ive managed to travel 780km on 80L of fuel with 80% highway at 160-170kmph. The remaining 20% in stop start KL traffic. This is considered quite good considering that the K5 is actually underpowered for its body weight.

Are you trying to look for the perfect car then? Sadly, u aint gonna find it. You have access to the internet. Do some research on the various problems which have plagued ALL car manufacturers in the world. The Focus itself has faced 2 recalls in the America this year alone. But does that make it a bad car? Surely not. What about the millions of Toyotas which were recalled a number of times in the past few years. So is Toyota crap too? In 2010, Ferrari issued a wordwide recall of its brand new 458 Italia after a number of these cars caught fire at various locations around the world. How does this compare with some Youtube video about a rattling issue? So are you gonna say Ferrari's are crap too?

If these are your criteria's in choosing a car, then your mum's best bet would be the public transport.

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Added on October 22, 2012, 10:33 pmSurely. Much lighter car.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 22 2012, 10:33 PM

Well, FC depends alot on your driving style. Some ppl think they are driving economically but in actual fact they arent. You can still rake up high fuel bills on a car thats supposedly 'high consumption'. When driving cars that arent economical, you need to adjust your driving style to suit. No high revs from standstill, faster upshifts while cruising, avoid hard braking & acceleration, etc. If you can emply all these methods, you will find that a supposedly 'uneconomical' car can actually be quite economical in the long run.

But even if fuel costs are higher, how much higher are we talking about here? You say your mum gets 9.7L/100km currently with her Civic. If her new car only gets her 10.5L/100km for instance, ure talking about 39km less mileage for a full tank of 50L or 3.8L (RM 7.22) of extra fuel to reach the same range as your mum's Civic. Assuming she fills 2 full tanks a month, ure talking about RM 173 more in fuel costs to cover the same distance.

Just to share, i recently managed to test my Kia Optima K5's FC at a constant 110kmph for almost the entire full tank. Based on the 'fill-drive-fill-measure' concept, i covered 1011km on 76L of fuel. 90% of the journey was at a constant 110kmph. This equates to about 7.52L/100km average over 1000+km.

My previous record was 780km on 80L of fuel driving at 160-170kmph on 80% highway. This equates to 10.2L/100km. I measured this when my car was about 2 months old.

Fyi, the K5 is considered slightly underpowered due to its higher body weight. So these FC figures are quite acceptable i guess.