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post Nov 22 2012, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(ballons @ Nov 22 2012, 12:39 AM)
I mean Polypterus. oh sorry for that picture. I had it resize for fast upload.. hihi.. no i dont have one. I still newbie about fish keeping though. Really need help around here  biggrin.gif well i only got 1 bichir and two peacock bass, but 1 of my PB died jump out off my tank. sad.gif
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it is Polypterus endlicheri. Need to cover ur tank nicely, Polypterus are good jumper..be aware on this issue.
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post Dec 6 2012, 12:01 PM

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nope..i dont think is allow to catch/fishing at that lake, and the surroundings are watched over by security guards.
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post Dec 28 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Dec 28 2012, 12:31 PM)
Anybody here knows wat to feed baby ornate(5 cm only)??? Helpppp.
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can try with
1)feeder shrimp(ghost shrimp), if you only have 1 ornate, then dont put too many ghost shrimp as they will attack the fins of your ornate, keep those shrimp at another tank and feed some to your ornate everyday.
2)market prawn(cut to very small pieces)
3)small feeder fish(better quarantine first or get from reliable source)
4)cut those pellet to small size, provided your ornate eat pellets or maybe is the time to train them if you want

I used to feed these to my 2 inch ornates.
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post Dec 28 2012, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Dec 28 2012, 03:08 PM)
I want to train thm eating pellets though. I break massivore into pieces n feed thm cn? I hav 2 endli, 1 ansorgii and 1 albono senegal in the same tank.
My new ornate kip swimming against the aquarium wall lk trying to find a way out. Swt. Why?
Wat clour lighting do u use for ur ornate?
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If you want to train them to eat pellets, then feed only pellet until they take pellets. I just break the massivore pellets into small pieces and feed them, after around 15-20 minutes, will scoop up those uneaten pellets. It is not hard to train them to take pellets, especially when they are young.

The ornate is like that, more active if compare with the endli/ansorgii..the senegal should be quite active to swim around also.

I just use white color lighting for viewing purpose as myself prefer white light, just a personal choice. Some others prefer puprle/red lighting.


Added on December 28, 2012, 4:52 pmby the way, if you feel that hikari massivore is too expensive, you can try hikari cichlid gold sinking pellets, smaller in size and cheaper. My bichirs like them too and easier for me to feed those medium size bichir as I no need to break the massivore. However, for those tiny bichirs like 2 ~ 4 inches, you have to break them too.

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post Dec 29 2012, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Dec 29 2012, 12:21 AM)
My ansorgii, endli n senegal eating pellets. Bt my ornatr is nt eating! Emo at a corner thr. (jz gt him today). Swt.
The uneaten pellets mz be removed ot can be left thr???? Cz everytime i wan remove the uneaten pellets, all my bichirs wil get sked n swim lk mad. == i hate tis. Any way to make thm nt sked?
Yeaaa, massivore is damn expensiv! U bought for hw much?? U tried tetra monster pellet before? I cant get it anywhr here. Wic pellets cn make the bichir grow fastest?
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ur ornate is still new to environment..give it some times to settle down..sooner or later it will take pellets..dont worry..the uneaten pellets better remove if possible as they are the source of ammonia also..which will effect your water parameters.

Normally if there is one bichir start to go frenzy and move here and there, others bichirs will act so also. Just give them so times, they will become more stable after they settle down. My bichirs sometimes will go frenzy mode also, but less frequent if compare with the time I first keeping them.

I cant remember I bought for how much for the massivore as I long time din buy it already. Curretly I using cichlid gold sinking pellets to feed them. I did not try before on the tetra monster pellet. You can feed more variety food to pump them up, market prawn/super worm/ frog are some food that can bulk them up. Just feed more variety food to them will do.

By the way, different species of bichir has different grow rate and max length. Even the same species of bichir, the grow rate also depends on individual. In your case, the endli should be grow the fastest if you feed them well.
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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Dec 29 2012, 02:43 AM)
Kk. Thn u buy the chchilid gold for hw mucH? Anyways, you saw before whr gt sell tetra monster pellet?
U gt use air pump for ur tank? Using wat filter? Hang on? The fish watse mz sucked out ma? Or leave it innthe tank? Lol.
Whr u buy ur bichirs? Wanna add my collections.
And wil my senegal n endli eat my ornate? Cz ornate jz 5cm.swt.


Added on December 29, 2012, 2:44 amU gt any way to eliminate the smelly of the stinky water? Cz everytime after i feed massivore, sure the smell very strong d. @@


Added on December 29, 2012, 12:35 pm
The saki hikari for koi or bichir wor?  Whr to get 1? I dun see any in my lfs.
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The cichlid gold I bought for RM26 for big packet(if not mistaken is 342gram)..price might vary for different locations. I not sure where got sell tetra monster pellet as I didnt intent to find for it. I using sump tank for my 5ft tank while another 3ft&2.5ft tank I using top filter. The fish waste suppose to go into ur filter and will stuck at those filter sponge(mechanical filtration), where you need to wash/change the filter sponge every certain periods. If the fish waste is not suck into filter, that means your tank might got some dead spot where the fish waste is stuck at those dead spot or maybe your filter not providing good/enough flows or some other reasons. In such conditions, you can just manually remove those fish waste. The main purpose to remove those fish waste or uneaten food, is to minimize the ammonia produced by them. As long as your tank has a very good biological filtration, then everything is fine.

How big is your senegal/endli? There will has a risk that the ornate eaten by tankmates if the tankmates is much larger than the ornate. Just make sure they all are well feed.

The massivore indeed produce very strong smell(one of the reason I stop using it), normally after feeding, the smells will be there for a period then only disappear, just make sure you dont over feed and your biological filtration is good. The cichlid gold got some smell also but not as strong as massivore. Normally the smell disappear in short period.

I bought my bichirs from lfs at my place. You can find bichirs easily in our local lfs for those common type, for those rare type, you might need to find some online fish seller as sometimes they do carry in some rare bichirs.
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post Dec 31 2012, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Dec 29 2012, 03:16 PM)
Wat is sump filter? Me newbie. Haha. Massivore n cichilid gold provide same growth rate to fish arr?
Hang on filter provide biological filter or nt? @@
My senegal/endli is 15 cm. 0.0
Eh, ur lfs thr gt sell war type of bichirs? And do you mind tell the price? Hehe.


Added on December 29, 2012, 3:17 pmAny1 here know whr to get tetra monster pellets???
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you can google sump tank for more information as there are many websites that described how a sump tank function.

Hang on filter do provide biological filtration if you are using the correct filter material like ceramic ring/bio-home and etc. You can google more on those filtration that I mentioned before(mechanical/biological/chemical).

Below are the contents of the massivore and cichild gold contents that I found from Hikari website,

Hikari Massivore Delite Pellets:
Crude Protein Crude Fat Crude Fiber Moisture Crude Ash Phosphorus
min. 47% min. 5.0% max. 3.0% max. 10% max. 17% min.1.0%

Hikari Cichlid Gold Sinking
Crude Protein Crude Fat Crude Fiber Moisture Crude Ash Phosphorus
min. 40% min. 7.0% max. 4.0% max. 10% max. 15% min.1.0%

From the contents of both of them, massivore will better for the growth rate as it has higher protein than the cichild. Cichlid gold will be good for the growth rate of the fish too, so the choice is at your own, as for me, both are good.

Just make sure your tanks of bichirs are always well feed, then should be ok.

my lfs normally sell those common bichirs like senegal(4.50~9),albino senegal(5~9), endli(15~35), ornate(35~46), delhezi(18~35), these few types are normally can be found in my lfs, there are more can be species can be find in KL/Johor lfs, but not at my place. The price of the bichirs will be vary if you compare with other lfs. But the price that I listed are the price normally I saw at my place, price also depends on the bichir size too, like previously, I saw before 1 ornate around 13~14 inch selling @200 at my lfs. So the pricing depends on many factors like the origin of the fish, WC or CB, size, quality, rareness, the lfs itself and etc.

By the way, I saw one of the lfs in JB got sell tetra monster pellets. So happen to saw it last few days when I visit there.
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post Jan 1 2013, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(awansakti @ Jan 1 2013, 10:26 AM)
Looks like everybody jumping on the bandwagon now lol. Btw my lfs dunno hikari massivore *kecewa* also, it turns out that the albino channa was an albino channa striata
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if I did not remember wrongly, you can find hikari massivore in one of the lfs in sikamat.
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post Jan 1 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Jan 1 2013, 01:49 AM)
Ur lfs provide delivery service ot nt? @@
Hw much do tey sell? Cheaper thn massivote?
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Nope..I dun think they provide delivery service. Actually where is ur location? I think around 70+- for a big bottle of the tetra monster pellets, not sure what is the weight of it but it is a large bottle.
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post Jan 1 2013, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(awansakti @ Jan 1 2013, 06:42 PM)
Where in sikamat?name of shop?nearby the mosque there aa? biggrin.gif that lfs got interesting choice of fish? Hehe
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i cant recall the name of the shop, tml i will go there, will see got any landmark anot as i cant remember isit got a mosque nearby. That shop selling those usual fish but last two weeks i saw some channa,ornate at there but duno still got anot. There got more choices at aquarium accessories.

QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Jan 1 2013, 07:26 PM)
Too baddddd. Perak la, bro. Aduh.
Cheaper thn massivore la lidat. Haha.
Bt here din sell tetra monster. =(
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Maybe you can try find online, maybe can find some fish seller which got do delivery on this item.
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post Jan 22 2013, 08:07 AM

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Sharing some of my bichirs..photo taken by phone camera..so pls bear with the low quality photos..

short body albino senegalus
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delhezi
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ansorgii
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endlicheri
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some of them
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post Jan 22 2013, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Jan 22 2013, 10:05 AM)
Great job there rclxms.gif  That short-body albino, where do u get it? and how much?
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I bought it from xian leng batu pahat..RM6.50 if I didnt remember wrongly..
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post Jan 22 2013, 12:10 PM

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post something other than bichirs..my little gar..

photos taken on April 2012

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photo taken on early of this month

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post Jan 22 2013, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Jan 22 2013, 12:22 PM)
SHORT body for rm6.50 is darn cheap. that price should only be regular size albino.
short is puluh puluh ringgit blink.gif
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yup..they are selling regular size albino..just that I purposely pick those short body as there are some among those regular size..
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post Jan 22 2013, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Jan 22 2013, 01:19 PM)
Ur comm really nice, ive always want gars..
.. but scared of their huge appetite. Later will give headache when have to pour tons of feeders every other day.. Even now most LFS owners already know me from frequent purchase of feeders sweat.gif
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I am into this situation too..lol..no need tons of feeders, when it grow up, it will able to take larger feeders, so can buy those bigger feeder fish or bull frog will be enough.
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post Jan 22 2013, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Jan 22 2013, 04:49 PM)
Damn. Just put inside the tank, go throw the plastic, saw the gar in his mouth. =.= probably he is longing for feeder, coz i nvr put in feeder quite along time. Naughty!
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maybe ur endli still in a very hungry mode? Since it act so fast and the gar's size almost the same..
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post Jan 23 2013, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Jan 23 2013, 07:37 AM)
2013 is a bad year.
Another birchir died this morning. And i'm not sure which sp is it..
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Sorry for ur lost..are this bichir same tanks with the ropes that died earlier on? If yes, then I think better check the cause of the death and the water parameters. Is good to practice to find the cause of the death of the fish, to prevent more unwanted dead fish appear.
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QUOTE(PhisherSam @ Jan 23 2013, 04:29 PM)
Red aro will bully my gars? Even if the gars are bigger?
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If the gar is bigger and not aggressive, then you can try to comm. There some successful cases of mixing spotted gar and arowana, just need to monitor them often.
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post Jan 23 2013, 05:25 PM

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yes..make sure they are always well feed..the gar size dont too much different with the aro..else the aro might end up as gar's meal
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post Jan 25 2013, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(awansakti @ Jan 25 2013, 01:36 AM)
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Endlis do grow fast. Will it outgrow the senegalus?hmm..

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Crouching tiger hidden dragon (head only la)
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nice IT, mind to share where you bought it? In seremban lfs? Currently I am looking for small IT, so wanna look around and see which lfs got selling.

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