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 Wizard Discussion v2, Come, all ye arcanists

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olman
post Dec 30 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Vorador @ Dec 30 2012, 10:37 AM)
Good idea! In this case ill swap out cold blooded with evocation! And won't focus on ice comet, but probably that volley of meteor.  Thanks man!

( and yes I have less than 1mil in my stash... I just don't know why I can get my budget up like the rest of them, easily 10-20 mil of fund...)
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replace glass canon instead since u r low on defensive stats ar/life

dead bodies cant do dps brows.gif

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post Dec 30 2012, 01:04 PM

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What do u guys think about archon full a3 farming (including NON-alkaizer route) ?

I use evocation and LL to squeeze archon timer as much as possible throughout the run. Jz did 1 mp3 run, cnt sustain archon as good as the alkaizer route but it isnt that bad..not to the point of total unplayable..usually when my archon runs out, i jz need 1-2 large group of mobs ~10 and archon is back up again..but using LL on RD pb is suicide..i need to kite on pb while not in purple monster mode..mayb bcos i hav low AR =(
But the point is ppl said full farm yields better leg drop..i personally think so..Jz need to pandai pandai accumulate lots of archon kills b4 going on the non-alkaizer route..i need to test test somor..hopefully got archons out thr help me test or criticize this idea..

lets try to make archon mor farm-friendly as well as party-friendly.. rclxms.gif
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post Dec 30 2012, 10:02 PM

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tried ww/cm wizard just now, pwned big time by mobs... guess i got too used with long range attack... rclxub.gif
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post Dec 30 2012, 10:05 PM

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Let me introduce my cmFreeze apprentice wiz (1h ef 97x dps), ...still testing other gears.

My wizard by the courtesy of Blizz.

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post Dec 31 2012, 12:56 AM

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Hey Cm wiz, when you guys freeze the mobs, is it considered as slow? Similar effects to scoundrel with buriza?
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post Dec 31 2012, 05:50 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 30 2012, 10:05 PM)
Let me introduce my cmFreeze apprentice wiz (1h ef 97x dps), ...still testing other gears.

My wizard by the courtesy of Blizz.

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barb armor, seriously? brows.gif

since u r rich, y not get a chantodo wand it would boost ur speed much more


Added on December 31, 2012, 5:51 am
QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 31 2012, 12:56 AM)
Hey Cm wiz, when you guys freeze the mobs, is it considered as slow? Similar effects to scoundrel with buriza?
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mmmm wat do u mean brows.gif

frost nova is part of crowd control

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post Dec 31 2012, 09:03 AM

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In advise on , ignore my item spelling...

1) Add % to Lightning damage ---------- to weapon/source
2) Lightning skills deal % more damage --------- to nett damage from skill used.

items:
Tal Rasha Allegience 1) + 2)
Schaeffer's Hammer 1) + 2)
Storm Crow 1)
Triumvirate 1)

Would like to know an example calc on this from you gurus, example taken on a Lightning elemental damage

Reference:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6413025317?page=1


Set A:
Tal Rasha , Add 6% and Deal 3%
Storm Crow , Add 8%
Triumvirate , Add 5%

Looking at this, I am assuming, I have gained 19% off my weapon as Lightning.
If it was a black weapon, with 1000 dps, that would be 1000 + (1000x0.19) = 1190 ?
and if using along with

electrocute-Lightning blast (86% base lightning damage), I would gain here 86% + 3%= 89% ?.


Set B:
Tal Rasha , Add 6% and Deal 3%
Storm Crow , Add 8%
Schaeffer's Hammer , Add 8%, Deals 22 %.

If the above assumptions I put in is true....
I would be dealing more with this....

Weapon = 1000+ (1000x0.22) = 1220?
Skills = 86%+ 22% = 108% ?



Have always been curious about if Schaeffer should even be in the game sometimes...0.9 base ats is crap, dps would reach 1.2k dps, and average 150 primary stats (good rolls with 250+).

The way I see wizz is more arcane + lightning compare to the cold/fire damage (crowd attack mostly, that also has conflagation=10% /cold blooded=20% passive) depending on player choice.


Does Schaeffer's make sense?....for fast farming (instead of Mr.Archon )?.

Thanks, sorry can't buy you all Nescafe/Milo at the moment. smile.gif








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post Dec 31 2012, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(olman @ Dec 31 2012, 05:50 AM)
barb armor gears, seriously?  brows.gif
Precisely. Look at the INT value biggrin.gif
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post Dec 31 2012, 10:17 AM

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Hi Wiz friends,
I am new here, nice to meet you all smile.gif
Here is my wizard profile My Wizard profile
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post Dec 31 2012, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(zeromac @ Dec 31 2012, 10:17 AM)
Hi Wiz friends,
I am new here, nice to meet you all  smile.gif
Here is my wizard profile My Wizard profile
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mind to share how much u got that Mr. Chan's wand with socket? (or it drop it for u? w00t!)
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post Dec 31 2012, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(olman @ Dec 31 2012, 05:50 AM)
barb armor, seriously?  brows.gif

since u r rich, y not get a chantodo wand it would boost ur speed much more


Added on December 31, 2012, 5:51 am
mmmm wat do u mean  brows.gif

frost nova is part of crowd control
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as in u know buriza scoundrel gives you freeze right? when couple that with cull of the weak from DH, the DH gains 15% more damage. And i normally play with my CM wiz friend and if your frost nova is considered the same as buriza scoundrel freeze, then i'll use cull. Any ideas?
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post Dec 31 2012, 01:37 PM

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Hi sifus I plan to roll a wiz who can farm mp1-3 using alkaiZer route with archon. I got 20m to spend can help me gear up? My wiz naked now

Thinking of using sever with ls?
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post Dec 31 2012, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Vorador @ Dec 31 2012, 10:27 AM)
mind to share how much u got that Mr. Chan's wand with socket? (or it drop it for u? w00t!)
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I brought it for 10m smile.gif
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post Dec 31 2012, 04:14 PM

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guys.. my archon wiz has 190k dps (buffed).. which mp shall i farm for legs??
mind to share your buffed dps (whether archon/cm) and which mp u guys are farming at??

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Penangnitesz
post Jan 1 2013, 03:44 AM

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Managed to build my wiz with 25m http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Corrosi...2/hero/12744100

Now I'm at 140k damage . I got 10 more m to spare wat should I upgrade next to boost my damage more? Can farm act 3 mp2 quite ok but elite take some time to kill
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post Jan 1 2013, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Penangnitesz @ Jan 1 2013, 03:44 AM)
Managed to build my wiz with 25m http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Corrosi...2/hero/12744100

Now I'm at 140k damage . I got 10 more m to spare wat should I upgrade next to boost my damage more? Can farm act 3 mp2 quite ok but elite take some time to kill
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Oh no, i think u are doing it wrongly..archon needs chc while in archon downtime..at 140k dps i tink u can hit mp0-1 by sustaining archon pretty well.. but if u accidentally died, u need a lot of time to cm up archon..it also means ur archon now is very good in solo, but not in party..unless u plan to solo all the way, then its ok =) aww man, shuda wait for olman or metalfreak (very friendly and helpful ppl in wiz LYN comunity) to help u out.. sad.gif

Your next upgrade, if u want to maintain solo mp0-1, jz go mor dps..if u want to make it up higher mp, u need to farm a lot mor gold to get chc gears..high mp archon/ able to party in ubers is never cheap..cm is a lot cheaper..

Yo ryei, 280k dps buffed here wit Pint Barrier and scoundrel..last check can do mp5 two ppl party..any higher or mor ppl in party kills my archon timer..in solo, mp3 is my sweet spot..able to kill pb with RD(but not all the time)..mp4 or higher i cnt sustain archon effectively and i die many times..need 400AR on eq to excel at mp4 above according to battlenet info..and i tink 190k dps can do mp2 easily..but 1 point to note is tht there is a difference in alkaizer run and full run..full runs yield better legs..in AKzer run, mp0-3 i dont see any diff also..
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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Jan 1 2013, 01:21 PM)
Oh no, i think u are doing it wrongly..archon needs chc while in archon downtime..at 140k dps i tink u can hit mp0-1 by sustaining archon pretty well.. but if u accidentally died, u need a lot of time to cm up archon..it also means ur archon now is very good in solo, but not in party..unless u plan to solo all the way, then its ok =) aww man, shuda wait for olman or metalfreak (very friendly and helpful ppl in wiz LYN comunity) to help u out..  sad.gif

Your next upgrade, if u want to maintain solo mp0-1, jz go mor dps..if u want to make it up higher mp, u need to farm a lot mor gold to get chc gears..high mp archon/ able to party in ubers is never cheap..cm is a lot cheaper..

Yo ryei, 280k dps buffed here wit Pint Barrier and scoundrel..last check can do mp5 two ppl party..any higher or mor ppl in party kills my archon timer..in solo, mp3 is my sweet spot..able to kill pb with RD(but not all the time)..mp4 or higher i cnt sustain archon effectively and i die many times..need 400AR on eq to excel at mp4 above according to battlenet info..and i tink 190k dps can do mp2 easily..but 1 point to note is tht there is a difference in alkaizer run and full run..full runs yield better legs..in AKzer run, mp0-3 i dont see any diff also..
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Hehe thx bro my hand got itchy so I go straight to building it myself. Are my choices of equipment that bad ?sad.gif actually I do plan to solo all the way, I wil be happy if can do mp2 fast and efficiently. So far I tried mp2 solo no problem at all sustaining my archon but kill elite slow n die 1 or2 times per run. Pls teach me how to improve from here
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QUOTE(olman @ Dec 31 2012, 05:50 AM)
barb armor, seriously?  brows.gif

since u r rich, y not get a chantodo wand it would boost ur speed much more


Added on December 31, 2012, 5:51 am
My Chantodo wand pales in comparison to my EF so I'd decided to sell it, instead. Of course, I didn't think much about the speed boost issue until you'd mentioned it.

I may just take my time to upgrade the wiz gears and weapon since everything is still new to me.

This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Jan 1 2013, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Jan 1 2013, 02:34 PM)
My Chantodo wand pales in comparison to my EF so I'd decided to sell it, instead. Of course, I didn't think much about the speed boost issue until you'd mentioned it.

I may just take my time to upgrade the wiz gears and weapon since everything is still new to me.
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You need the attack speed of chantodo wand (1.65).
EF doesn't have the similar attack speed (1.45)
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post Jan 1 2013, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Penangnitesz @ Jan 1 2013, 02:06 PM)
Hehe thx bro my hand got itchy so I go straight to building it myself. Are my choices of equipment that bad ?sad.gif actually I do plan to solo all the way, I wil be happy if can do mp2 fast and efficiently. So far I tried mp2 solo no problem at all sustaining my archon but kill elite slow n die 1 or2 times per run. Pls teach me how to improve from here
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Ur eq is good for now..upgrading any of it would req ~10m at least..i tink if u die a lot jz change scramble for pin barrie or prismatic..scramble din really help me fsaten the run also..yup i did keep let mobs hit me to run fast bt when i compare prismatic run and scramble run..its only 1-3mins difference..not lik 10mins diff @@..passive blur helps to deal with RD ur in the right track now..stay at mp0-1 for mor survivability..mp2 dun really giv better loots nor exp than mp0-1 Hope it helps =)

QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Jan 1 2013, 02:34 PM)
My Chantodo wand pales in comparison to my EF so I'd decided to sell it, instead. Of course, I didn't think much about the speed boost issue until you'd mentioned it.

I may just take my time to upgrade the wiz gears and weapon since everything is still new to me.
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Haha moba seems very happy wit his new wiz..i lik ur lacuni bra and the nat boot n ring you sure know what ur doing..u'll b a good cm..real good eq u got thr..fcking rich man laugh.gif
And for the thing with chant will..got an useful info here mayb u hav heard of mayb not..the overall aps in the paper dps is directly related to the main weap..lets say chant(1.65aspd) and ur bonus apsd frm eq is (70%)..

So 1.65 * 1.70 = 2.805 shown as 2.81

If ur using ef(1.4aspd) and bonus aspd frm eq is (70%)..

So 1.40 * 1.70 = 2.38

Thats the difference..

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