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sangtupperware
post Nov 6 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 6 2012, 10:46 AM)
Trifecta gloves are very expensive.
With almost perfect AIS/CC/CD, it's very rare too.


Added on November 6, 2012, 10:46 am
You'd need at least 5.5% LS on skorn.
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i regret myself that time cuz not buying the same stats with AR on the spot!..at the time was searching the AH (already searched the glove though)..just looking for maybe got ring with DEX, AR, AIS, CD, CC......

when i come back to the glove..that time was valued at 125M the stats were the same as mine but have AR-78 (very undervalue..its been there for 1 day already)...suddenly when i clicked b.out...it was sold out.. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

in terms of AR..i cant upgrade anything more except for Amulet which already have my LOH, Glove, Belt (damn! AR witching hour?..GG....very pening since this 3 item is way too expensive to upgrade..

conclusion...go for +armor affixed upgrade instead...thats why focusing on the ice climber...for now... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

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post Nov 6 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 6 2012, 11:02 AM)
Apa pasal you still use OwE? drop it and change to Beacon to Ytar.
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er can not cuz feel quite weak ler....tested it already...just not very comfortable with the low 600 AR....feels like my life draining faster then b4..

but if my fist connected to enemy..then regain life back fast...

what im saying..im not comfortable with the heavy kiting involved... tongue.gif tongue.gif

beacon of ytar definitely was my favorite.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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post Nov 6 2012, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 6 2012, 02:44 PM)
150k DPS with 5.4 LS!  sweat.gif Your armor is reduced further! I am moving towards high DPS and LS setup!!! Feel good?
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no offence but quite skeptical on how he handle battle situation...monk using FOT surely have to confront enemies head on...maybe he use kiting alot?

im saying this cuz from my observation..from looking at dual wielder playing along...they all have LOH+LS(5%) and 100K dps also...n still can get into trouble in sucking back life when mp8 - mp9 ...when sitting with hard elites such as descretor, plague, arcane, RD etc...i mean their healthbar is fluctuating very unstably (same as mine)...we have to move around n kite abit......

this guy only have 600AR, 5%LS n no LOH?...thats kinda intrigues me...

my point is..i really think upper then mp7...u really need both...LOH n LS....either way..we really need to play with him to know how well 5%LS only without LOH is... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 6 2012, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 6 2012, 03:40 PM)
5%LS without using BoH/Serenity/7ss/Blind

is different than using

5%LS spamming BoH/Serenity/7ss/Blind
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most of us is no.2 anyway...plus we also using MOC-Overawe..
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post Nov 6 2012, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 6 2012, 04:00 PM)
i meant is the process all facetank? no kiting.
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MP10 ghom facetank..easy..others im not yet....
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post Nov 8 2012, 10:38 AM

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1 day ago out of the blue farming alkaiser run...suddenly 2 natalya dropped in my side....

one was a BOOT (high dex, cold resist) n one was a RING....the RING stats were AIS 9, CD 21, FIRE RESIST 55....lol suite my fire monk..and got the bonus 7% CC..

then i bought an axe with stats ...940++ DPS, 198 DEX, 2.5 LS, 63% CD...socket-ed...just to try DW..

try MP10 coop with DW build and my DPS boosted up till 124K DPS unbuffed...at that time got AIS 2.01, 712 AR, 1500+ LOH 5 LS when DW....quite happy with the performance at first...

then i changed back to shield..DPS go down to 108K DPS unbuffed with 53% CC (lol the natalya bonuses)..n still i gota say shield works better for me...

cuz DW in MP10, if u stray just abit in the descreator, molten pool...i mean if u can not get a connect hit fast....danger of dying is quite big...compare to shield my life drains out alot slower then DW..at that time my hp was 37K...i think maybe if i can get >45K hp then DW will be much easier..i guess..

at last we go for uber...SK+Magda...n defeated it at last..quite hard but after a while we defeated it...

after that all the team are tired n sleepy...hahahh maybe later try out the other 2 ubers..

after this aiming for a natalya with fire resist boot...just to boost up even more of my OWE...

p/s: the boot were 178 DEX, 49 COLD RESIST....anybody here wanna switch with me if u got same stats but FIRE RESIST?..need to boost my AR with shield to 820++...

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post Nov 8 2012, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 8 2012, 10:41 AM)
u lucky bast@rd... nat's ring is hard to get...
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2 at one run was just so lucky.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif i even cant believed my eyes....plus miraculously it was the right pair to get the bonuses..just imagine if i got a chest n shoes instead?.. doh.gif doh.gif

between thx for the correction of inna's to natalya's hehe thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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post Nov 8 2012, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Nov 8 2012, 11:48 AM)
bro...he paragon 100.

It has to be easier than the rest of us
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well i usually speed farming at MP4 only...but ya the effect of that paragon level is there....my MF was 400...on average an hour and a half run will usually get me 1 legend or set....but the stats are random..sometime crap sometime uber..

anyway the legends drop usually depends on ur luck..got my fren that getting legends average 1 hour 1 legend also..they are paragon level 85+++

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post Nov 8 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 8 2012, 02:03 PM)
EHP calculator, period.


Added on November 8, 2012, 2:04 pm

its called dodging (yes you can dodge frozen orbs)


Added on November 8, 2012, 2:05 pm

it does, turn on defense messages if you havent already


Added on November 8, 2012, 2:06 pm

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once i dodged ZK's FireBall from inside his slow dome....and my HP bar was 500 hp left...i was biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Nov 8 2012, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 8 2012, 03:46 PM)
Darn it now you all know my secret of why stacking dodge rate up to 6x% tongue.gif
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif try upping ur CC and use DW passive + sixth sense..ur MOE changed to MOC.... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif n thats why i never pull out my sixth sense passive when using a shield...the stats will be similar when using MOE...

what irks me most now..i have to use OWE....if not i can put sixth sense with my DW set-up... mad.gif mad.gif

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post Nov 12 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 12 2012, 03:53 PM)
I have a 93K DPS monk (crit 200K is normal).
I tested weapons with 5.6% LS (just LS from 2 weapons, no LOH from other gears). I died a lot @ MP9 in co-op game.
Tried different mantras too (MoC/MoH/MoE). Didn't work well.

For my case, LS is not quite enough to deliver the life recovery I need.

(Note: I swapped back LOH gears, 2.7K LOH in total, and I got back the "better survival" in MP9. But I lost DPS due to change of gears).

So, I think 100K DPS is not quite enough to let the LS shine.
I may need 150K DPS (or more?) to have the LS worked optimally.
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i commented about 100K DPS similar to this problems a few weeks back..in this thread..doing MP10 SK+Magda..

100k DPS...or should i say my dual wield 125K DPS..unbuffed (not plus MOC skills yet)..with 1500 LOH + 5LS....the main problem i have was....yes..when u first hit elites....u are like the boss..seems ur life is not draining down at all....but the problem occurs when they start spamming their skills..which is surprisingly arcane is not a main problem..but when descreator ...running molten...reflects dmg ...plaque or large AOE skills comes into play..with AR just 600....i feel its quite weak..i mean seems like the life pool drained down pretty fast...

its like ..."man im like the boss here....errrk!!..wadafak??!!...why suddenly die?..so fast?!!!...didnt see that coming??!!"...my conclusion at that time..was maybe i need more life...maybe >45HP would be better ...also maybe its my armor..that is around 5.5K only thats effected my survivability..

therefore like i said b4..i changed back to shield.....its slowed down the life pool decrement a lot better in the AOE dmg situation...

p/s: n i just cant brain doing higher MP without the help of LOH..i donno but thats my result i get from my experiment...some ppl with lower AR + Armor..n only LS can do this?...donno man maybe im a noob of some kind...mine was 125K man plus help from LOH n LS...is it not on par with a 150k dps?.....donno man.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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post Nov 14 2012, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(OldManChild @ Nov 14 2012, 12:35 AM)
already say good bye to LOH.. cool.gif
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well i benchmark myself using the terms "facetank in teamplay"...hey man i can play kiting...sure..but who gonna tank for the team?.... whistling.gif

p/s:...nooo!! them barbs are not tanking at all...they are circling...mine u... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif..

edited: owh my bad after seeing what cowithgun posted in the barb forum...i take back my words.... biggrin.gif seems ur making a same build like this guy hah (hey u got LOH - 300 maah!)

well nowadays...doing MP..the issues still stands...u need survival n DPS balanced together..to be efficient..as for me..im trying to do that on MOC-Overawe build kinda site....just pushing my limits there.. laugh.gif laugh.gif ...but one fact prevailed....u need both LOH n LS to achieve highest efficiency...balanced abit...not so much though? (quite contradicting with my experienced b4 rclxub.gif rclxub.gif )

that exploding palm thing in the video...ur already commented on it long time ago...really need to try it when doing uber next time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WROcUHocs4...layer_embedded#

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post Nov 19 2012, 03:13 PM

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hah this past few weeks yet again was about tweaking my char...manage to build a decent char for dual wield and palamonk:

Dual wield:

DPS: 125K
IAS: 2.1
CC: 40%
CD: 559%
Vit: 47K
AR: 630 (with OWE)
LOH: 1800
LS: 4.8%
Armor: 5K

Palamonk with OWE:

DPS: 111K
IAS: 1.9
CC: 50%
CD: 398%
Vit: 50K
AR: 700 (OWE)
LOH: 1800
LS: 2.3%
Armor: 6K

Palamonk FREE of OWE

DPS: 111K
IAS: 1.9
CC: 50%
CD: 398%
Vit: 40K
AR: 712 (No OWE)
LOH: 1800
LS: 2.3%
Armor: 6K

among all of my set-up..of course my favorite was the FREE of OWE build...after farming for so long..i manage to bought a tal tasha suit with AR on it....yeah..

as for the dual wield..the vit really give a big difference in playing the set-up...

as for tal tasha suit..the IAS affix is really awesome...plus the stylo image when wearing it..u really look like a real monk..with that big neckless...hah

maybe looking for a good main weapon for now...oh mai....the farming..

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post Nov 20 2012, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Nov 20 2012, 05:09 AM)
haha..u use Tal Rasha too finally.. I use it because of IAS. i choose mine because of high Vit stat (cost me 80m), don mind with resist because can have it on other stuffs. but i see if Tal Rasha with AR will lower other stats (Vit and no Dex)..donno if u found nicely roll Tal Rasha.. but personally i dont like the look of it in game.. look selekeh..
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Agree to Disagree... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

well i got 1 drop of tal-tasha with a 210 vit, 86 Dex....that one i put into my dual wield and OWE palamonk..u can see from my previous post ...i got 47K hp with dual wield...and 50K hp with OWE palamonk..

im using the tal-tasha with AR for my NO OWE palamonk instead... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif ..

prepairing to add more vit to make my dual wield into a NO OWE dual wield soon..if i use the AR tal-tasha for dual wield..ill be getting 37K hp..which also in my previous post ...seems weak in mp7 above....therefore looking for at least 3K more hp...to make it at least 40K hp, effective if i can get myself to 50K hp..

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post Nov 20 2012, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 20 2012, 03:17 PM)
i got 2 vile ward in AH, still not selling  cry.gif both with vit somemore
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the trend is...with 200 dex

vit value < 50...er i think sell under 10M G lol..if even so ur lucky...

90>vit value>50.. can go 70M G> sellable price > 20M G

vit value> 90 can go sellable price > 70M

got life%/ pickup radius/ single resist?..figured out along the lines given.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

too much vile ward with good stats or same stats piled up the GAH nowadays..its like becoming the new inna's radiance drop down price item...

with vile ward..is always about the vit..the prime stats people know usually it will be high, confirm got AR, usually with >200 armor++, or straight forwardly speaking for vile ward its about the HP races.....

below 200 dex?...lol sell it at max 5M ... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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post Nov 20 2012, 05:12 PM

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ya...very lazy to interpret now.. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif flippers will know best about this

i was talking about the vit value..and also actually i meant 200 dex below without vit...sry....

its just a trend/ not exact value..a guidance on my exp..u can do it urself also....maybe it will be different bcuz of individual judgement..

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post Nov 22 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Nov 22 2012, 08:05 AM)
its good if the spirit regen is 2++ and there is CC/CDMG roll in it

lose a bid again on a SoJ..f**cking hate the bid, ended at 3am our time, how to bid la zzzzz
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just curious..since i never used SOJ...the DPS increment will show in the stats bar or not ha?... hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(ilikehandphones @ Nov 23 2012, 08:45 AM)
i bought mine cheap cheap...now broke left 600k only...ef i think its a hate or love it mace...my fren think it is annoying...but i think it is good....as a crowd control and occasionally when monster get fear...can take a few cheap shots at them from the back
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ya try doing that on molten... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

my team got this EF thing..the barby's...and frankly i hated it...when i cyclone strike them (gathered them)...then suddenly they all got feared back..thats annoying..

the barbs..hey they can spin and ran..me?..the tank?..ill be chasing back the elite...especially the molten type with severe consequence...death!...

it just scatter the mob all over the map..the thing that we can kill in bulk now scatter around hence consuming more time to kill it....its not significant in lower mp..but in >mp7..its really significant..

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post Nov 23 2012, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Nov 23 2012, 09:28 AM)
wanna try MP 5 later.. taking a break from para leveling

Preparing to buy:
Mempo CC
Witching
Gloves AS,CC

Can get all those 3 in 170M or not?
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u can not afford a mempo cc ..its >10x ur gold nowadays.
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post Nov 23 2012, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Nov 23 2012, 09:34 AM)
Holy..cheapest Mempo is 170M with 3CC and 170 Dex..zzzzzz

Witching first then
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owh 3 cc... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thats quite cheap..better buy it first..

p/s: is it with buy out?..i have to check that also..im also looking for mempo nowadays..


Added on November 23, 2012, 9:47 am
QUOTE(waklu @ Nov 23 2012, 09:34 AM)
Holy..cheapest Mempo is 170M with 3CC and 170 Dex..zzzzzz

Witching first then

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50M starting bid, worth it?
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the IAS is 9% ..good, the CD is >45% ...the dex low but the vit is high..its quite good...since ur a poison monk i guess?..pls refer to ur dex requirement..

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