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post Oct 29 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(kkng77 @ Oct 29 2012, 09:54 AM)
hi sifus, i am using 920 dps fist with 900loh and a socket currently... would like to invest on shenlong fist, i think i only can afford for a 850dps shenlong fist with 170 dex, 900loh and socket. will the 850dps shenlong increase my dps?
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post Oct 29 2012, 10:45 AM

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If not the rojak resists, you can do better. Next aim MP8?


Added on October 29, 2012, 10:47 am
QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 10:43 AM)

Added on October 29, 2012, 10:45 ami can tahan arcane but not like 3-4 arcane at once. desecrator i sure avoid also..
ur monk should be better than mine leh
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Lol, I can tahan 3 diss @ MP5 but see arcane faster run. Die quite alot at the heart of arcane.


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post Oct 29 2012, 10:55 AM

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woot, lvl all 5 char too? my wiz so OP with inferno gear @ NM levels.

Henry, either you can go like ALeUNe's high AR (if got 500AR itself (not single resist) can drop OwE) or like me go high armor and drop STI.

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post Oct 29 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 11:24 AM)
noted, should i aim for Inna's set?
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that depends on which route you wanna go. Inna set are packed with more features (CC/ASI/MS) but sometimes also limits the other stats. Most of the Inna are with very little random magic properties (+1 & +2 only).
To get Inna with AR+resist is very rare and it would cost atomic bomb.
It all boils down to the way you want your balance build.

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 11:37 AM)
my aim is a tanking monk with good dps.
i can see many monks with high dps but they are as fragile as any other DH/Wiz when it comes to high MP elites. those are dps monks which dont tank all all.
i want my monk to be able to tank first, and then dps it up as high as it can be.
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then try to work out :
6k armor+600AR, LoH 2k+LS 3% @ 50k dps aim
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post Oct 29 2012, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 29 2012, 12:21 PM)
Monk can do away the shield because monk can have 7K armor + 1.1K AR and 50% dodge chance without the shield.
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Added on October 29, 2012, 1:37 pmTalking about a shield, what's the price for Stormshield now?


Added on October 29, 2012, 1:38 pm
QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 01:12 PM)
correction up there.. when i go coop is up to mp6-7
if solo i certainly would not be killing them that fast. i go solo max up to mp5

also, i do understand that shield will benefit more in terms of defense with the block% and AR, VIT, CC.
my current dps is already not high, if switching to shield it would require me to switch almost my entire build for my monk at the moment.
i see it possible to still tanking with dual fist weapon, if given a choice i'd prefer two fists over 1fist+1shield.  smile.gif
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find a shield with 10%CC+at least 2x block is better than your dual wield in tanking, since you got low LS/LoH.


Added on October 29, 2012, 1:40 pmTonight I'll try benchmarking facetank ghom MP10 and see if I can make it below 15min.


Added on October 29, 2012, 1:42 pmWhat about 2H? If we happen to find a 2H with 1.8k LoH+5%LS, how do we go about it? Stacking ASI as much as we can and ignore CC/CD? (for the continuous high average damage)

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QUOTE(clautee @ Oct 30 2012, 10:03 AM)
Interesting. What are ur ias, cc, cd and dps in order to make 5.5+ LS effective?
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as long as above 50k unbuff should be good. Which, translated to about 36%CC+300%CD and you can recover about 10k health per hit - 25% on average monk 40k hp. the IAS is just that per seconds you hit more which more you heal. A 1.5 AS hit and 2.0 AS hit per hit is the same.
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post Oct 30 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 30 2012, 11:12 AM)
does monk go for skorn?
1307dps, 305dx, 198CD, 1895 LOH

how much this worth?
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Not bad, let those IAS big boss try out. I too low IAS can't benefit on 2H.
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post Oct 30 2012, 11:23 AM

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I rather drop inna chest. Cost too much and it only had +1 random properties and no AR
Any other rare chest can easily roll better stats than the inna chest.


Added on October 30, 2012, 11:25 amNow I am eyeing on a 800 armor +3 socket +180DEX +150VIT +AR +80Str

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post Oct 30 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(M2K2Land @ Oct 30 2012, 11:27 AM)
both hand of mine AS is 2.47 pretty nice... I cannot acecpt 2 hand because too slow...
yup I think the same... that why i go for inna helm.
blackthorne surcoat + amulet = 100vit tongue.gif
inna pant + inna helm = 130dex
nat's shoe + nat's ring = 7CC
this is my current combination
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Lacuni = IAS
Vile Ward = armor + AR

Next brows.gif ?

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post Oct 30 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Oct 30 2012, 01:42 PM)
sad. i only 60k dps unbuff and you guys are on 100k already.
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sadding more with 50k unbuff whistling.gif


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QUOTE(M2K2Land @ Oct 30 2012, 01:56 PM)
LS or LoH I think the important is you can survive when using them... I mean tank able Monk using ls/loh. As I understand LS need high damage (CC or CD) but LoH do not need. Every hit generate life (LoH doesnt care enemy amour or resistance)

2200 LoH in inferno (20%) is 440hp per second. With my attack speed 2.47 meaning 2.47x440 = 1068 p/s. I now can stand in desecrator, molten, poison and arcane (not in heart of lazer). For LS I really no idea because I never use them.

3% LS out of 100k is 3000 in inferno (20%) is 600. With my attack speed 2.47 meaning 2.47x600 = 1482 p/s. Provided I can every hit 100k damage which normally as I mention you need high CC and CD. For normal to average people I think LoH is still best for them.
No need to be sad... be hardworking farm and earn money for better gear.. good luck
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LoH does not proc with Sweeping wind whistling.gif


Added on October 30, 2012, 2:39 pmMy point is, as far as tank monk is concern, get as much LS/LoH as possible and leave the killing to the others dpser.

And, also take into consideration of your effective hp, real hp vs healing rate. If you can LS/LoH for 10k per hit on a pathetic 25k health pool that is 40% healing power.

I myself constantly getting about 5k per hit and my 40k hp pool are hovering around 30-40k even on 3 dissecrater @ mp5.

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post Oct 30 2012, 03:18 PM

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Last night tried benchmark Ghom mp8 took me 5min. No issue with health problem just stand still and whack.
Basing on MP level 10 should be 2 times more hp than mp8 so I can get my kill around 10-15min. Gonna try out today.

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QUOTE(clautee @ Oct 30 2012, 02:40 PM)
... Finger pain at kip spamming LMB on dual wield.
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Why? Just press and hold la...


Added on October 30, 2012, 5:01 pmWhat is the proc coefficient for LoH in inferno? a 900LoH gear can still hit one mob and gain back 900 life per hit?
We all know LS is 20% in inferno.


Added on October 30, 2012, 5:04 pm
QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 30 2012, 04:59 PM)
u have nice LoH. im still lacking LoH to facetank Ghom.
at mp6-7 if the dps is not fast enough, i couldnt tank ghom till he's dead.
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That is why I am in dilemma now should I go for the 100k challenge and overhaul my gear?? Not that I can't survive higher MP levels, just slower and currently I am doing good in MP6 and quite satisfy (beside the need to fork out huge amount of gold, which I don't have).


dilemma dilemma dilemma icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 30 2012, 05:10 PM)
i'm going for LoH with IAS build. trying to add in CC% to increase my dps.

i dare not go with LS because i read somewhere, to have LS work efficiently, it would require very high and consistent dps. i would think high IAS+LoH work better.

main concern also coz i got no gold ahha
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post Oct 30 2012, 05:15 PM

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I was lucky enough that both weapons cost me only 2mil mainhand + 26.5mil offhand (Damn you another player keep on racing bet with me that time, was suppose to be 5mil in last 1 minute)
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Oct 30 2012, 05:32 PM)
26.5mil?! i skip a heart beat! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 30 2012, 10:05 PM)
LoH gears and IAS gears are not cheap
900dps + socketed + LS + LoH + main stats = uber price sweat.gif This is in fact my biggest purchase to date. Even my Inna pants also lose to him @ USD10 (which translated about 20mil) that time was overhype in clicking doh.gif
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Jelly on those 700 eHP, mine only 400k eHP.

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QUOTE(2890 @ Oct 31 2012, 02:09 PM)
THe monk forums here are nice. Well organized and the majority of people here knows what they are saying/advising/doing.

in the DH forums, u see part time DH players coming in and giving misleading information. SAD.
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Nice? Wait till we start a flame war friendly discussion on something specific tongue.gif
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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 31 2012, 02:34 PM)
heated discussions are good, i enjoy very detailed information shared during the discussion. but of course we dont expect to keep it in ur hearts.
monk wouldn't hv such a nice community if everyone argues all the time tongue.gif
yuhhaur, ur monk somehow became my benchmark.. i was upgrading my monk recently.
still lacking the other shenlong gloves and my inna chest.. waiting to see how much additional dps it can give me  tongue.gif
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I don't have dps, don't take mine sweat.gif

Take M2K2Land instead thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 31 2012, 02:48 PM)
provided you have 2k dex or more, cc/cd inflates dmg on your inventory the most.

case in point: i have ZERO IAS (only got 3% from enchantress lolololo) and i got ~50k unbuffed damage smile.gif
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Lolol, I got some IAS (inna) but yet I am still at 50k unbuff

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