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post Nov 8 2012, 07:31 PM

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It's fine picking up rares, but the point of an Alkaizer run most of the time is just fast exp, sometimes I just slow down and do normal runs, doing way too many alk runs is not very fun lol
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post Nov 12 2012, 04:47 PM

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I have little trouble in mp8/9 farming for keys with most mobs with my new gear setup, just once in awhile you meet stupid packs that my lifesteal and dps can't cover.

Pretty much can stand in desecration/molten/plague at the same time but if theres reflect damage in there I have to move out due to my lifesteal not covering the reflect damage. Can still stand there and facetank mobs. Still a long way before I hit 200k unbuffed and maintaining decent defensive stats.

http://d3up.com/b/93141 if you'd like to see my setup for doing ubers or farming keys.
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post Nov 12 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 12 2012, 04:49 PM)
Try to increase your LS to 5.5% or above.
Your DPS may drop 20-30K.
But it's ok. We just want to know whether LS works better with 150K DPS or not.

I can contribute another LS gear, just for testing purpose.
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I have an echoing fury with some LS, but it's with my friend right now. Basically my LS is fine for most shit bar some stupid reflect damage + fast + molten + something pack where my echoing fury just makes it worse. And you do need a certain amount of LS to make it worthwhile, I'd say above 90k dps unbuffed is pretty ok if you have 2.5%+ LS and not doing MP10 obviously, and have decent EHP. As stated by other posts, getting a high dps weapon with good stats and LS or LoH is pretty expensive, LS being more sought after in higher dps scenarios but if you can afford it, why not get both as long you don't sacrifice dps.

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its like ..."man im like the boss here....errrk!!..wadafak??!!...why suddenly die?..so fast?!!!...didnt see that coming??!!"...my conclusion at that time..was maybe i need more life...maybe >45HP would be better ...also maybe its my armor..that is around 5.5K only thats effected my survivability..
Yeah, in higher MP difficulties, more HP always the better answer, so you don't get 1 shotted. Having decent armour and resists helps but HP gives better EHP overall and how it works with the life % makes it very worth while to get more vit, since if you can survive the hit, your high DPS will leech all your life lost pretty fast, except in some cases like reflect damage + something

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p/s: n i just cant brain doing higher MP without the help of LOH..i donno but thats my result i get from my experiment...some ppl with lower AR..n only LS can do this?...donno man maybe im a noob of some kind...mine was 125K man plus help from LOH n LS...is it not on par with a 150k dps?.....donno man..


Pretty much doable except for stupid packs as I said, I was doing mp10 while carrying a friend, just clearing to azmodan, didn't have much problems with most packs. That is with my old gear, have not tried doing mp10 with my new gears. Also there are times you can't just facetank, for example reflect damage + whatever, have to time cooldowns, walk away, then come back and kill it depending on how fast you can kill.

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post Nov 12 2012, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 12 2012, 05:15 PM)
Any 150K DPS monks who want to test the coefficient of LS? Ghom @ MP10 or a field run?
Normally you won't face issue with damage reflection if you have sufficient LOH/LS.
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I can come test it out if I'm free, add me Slythape#1514

Also I don't think its feasible for me to drop like 30k+ dps for another lifesteal weapon, as I don't have billions of gold to get a good wep with lifesteal. Pretty much the thing I had to do when facing these packs is just wait for my cooldowns then go back and hit them, nothing hard really.

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post Nov 12 2012, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Nov 12 2012, 07:37 PM)
Monk different mostly going FOT +SW need more LOH then LS, my monk not high dps they 53k dps only even 100k dps i prefer all going to LOH better then LS, if hav high LOH n high IAS for my monk more comfortable... tat is my opinion..
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Pretty much LS is better than LoH at higher gear levels and LoH is better for lower gear levels.
You said if someone has high LoH and high attack speed, its the same for lifesteal really, its all about whether you can afford the weapons

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post Nov 15 2012, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Bringitawn @ Nov 14 2012, 07:30 PM)
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I have about 30 mil gold to spend. Any help would be appreciated.  hmm.gif
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You should get inna's temperance, its has really good dps and move speed too, as you are lacking movespeed.
Change your left ring to something with crit, dex, average damage. Basically for dual wielding you'd need weapons with decent dps, socket with crit damage but it'll be expensive, budget stuff you could get non socket and get LoH. You should change your shoulders for something with vit too.
Your bracers could be upgraded with a lacuni for movespeed to get 24% with inna's temperance


QUOTE(deyamato @ Nov 15 2012, 01:36 PM)
I more to IAS,LoH, Movement Speed . which part should i change for all resist(is that really important yet ?) currently around 450-5xx after buff.
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You'll need to change your rings to something with crit, average damage, dex, resist.
IAS is not a good stat to stack for dps if your crit damage and crit chance is slow, an easy way to get a huge dps increase is to get an inna's temperance.
If possible drop the shenlong set as they are pretty bad and it is better to get something else, it'll cost more gold tho, but focus on changing your rings and get an inna's temperance
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post Nov 15 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Bringitawn @ Nov 15 2012, 09:42 PM)
For shoulders, should i get vile ward?
I was actually thinking about the lacuni bracers too...hmmm

For the weapons, how would you describe decent dps? 1k weapon damage considered the minimum to look for?
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Vile ward is pretty overpriced if you want vit on it too, might as well get a rare.

Decent dps weapons are about 850+ with a socket and crit damage and dex, anything above that you'd need to pay an arm and a leg for it.

You'd lose dps tho when you switch from your skorn to two 1 handers unless they have good stats. I myself use a 2hander to power level paragon but when I'm actually farming I dual wield.
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post Nov 15 2012, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Bringitawn @ Nov 15 2012, 09:51 PM)
I've done some window shopping for two 1-H and its definitely overpriced. Maybe I should get started with a lower dps and slowly farm items in the hope to get a godly drop. I was hoping to reach the 60k dps range with two 1-H to start with and at least 2.0+ attack speed/sec. At least mathematically i'll deal 120k dps / sec.

Sounds logical?
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Eh not 100% sure about the dps but if you're staying 2hander for now, you should use bells, unless your profile is for something different. Might as well farm some paragon levels with the tempest rush build as it is so good. But you should really get some movespeed to make things better
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post Nov 15 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(Bringitawn @ Nov 15 2012, 10:01 PM)
What do you mean bells?
Ahh now i know what you mean...what rune should i use?
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40 spirit cost so you can spam more and spam MoC:Overawe too

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post Nov 15 2012, 10:44 PM

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Thats fine if you use it for leveling paragon and its pretty needed for tempest rush, you won't be using MoH:Circular Breathing for groups tho, so change when needed
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post Nov 16 2012, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Bringitawn @ Nov 15 2012, 10:57 PM)
May I know what are the current resists all monks have in average? Between 450 - 500? Sustainable for Paragon and Uber?
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I have about 550+ for ubers, and about 300+ for paragon leveling (mp0)

QUOTE(duabijitelur @ Nov 16 2012, 10:38 AM)
need some advice here

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/duabiji...85/hero/4396871
planing to get a shenlong set for upgrade

i think abt 9xx dps per weapon

suitable? LOL my target = 100k XD
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You should change your helm for inna's radiance for dex and a socket, get inna's belt since you're using depth diggers, but I would suggest getting inna's temperance anyway, you could change your neck for something with dex then other stats. For weapons, change to whatever you can afford, make sure it has a socket, decent dps, dex and life steal or life on hit.

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post Nov 16 2012, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Nov 16 2012, 02:53 PM)
i have inna radiance and belt. all picked up. now the temperance sound good. how much is it now? i only have 13mil. sad monk is sad. no AH flipping skills, short farming hours. sobs.
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Last I checked as 6m? thats without resists
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post Nov 16 2012, 02:58 PM

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only if you're missing 2 set then it'll be a huge dps increase from the 130 dex, also 6% crit and 9% attack speed has almost similar dps as for me right now:
+1% Attack Speed 1,235.09 dps
+1% Crit Hit 2,636.5 dps
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post Nov 16 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 16 2012, 04:18 PM)

Farming keys could be a pain though.
I failed to get A3 keys @ MP6 for consecutive 5-6 runs (while Ah Zhong was waiting for uber run in other game).
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Funniest part of this, I was doing mp9 act 2 key runs with a friend of mine, we did 5 runs and he got 0 keys LOL, how unlucky
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post Nov 16 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Coconut @ Nov 16 2012, 04:30 PM)
Hm you guys with 500-600 AR can survive MP5? I got like 7xx AR, armor 4k+, still can die easily on some elite. Increase my armor can survive longer?

On solo games, keep spamming MOC overawe can increase dps? I check my dps seems the same..
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I have less than 600 AR can survive mp9 ubers and mp10 elites. Spamming MoC increases dps but not on your stat screen, the monsters take extra 48% damage
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post Nov 16 2012, 05:01 PM

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Any lightning stacking monk want some of my old magic find gear? Might as well give them away instead of npcing
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post Nov 19 2012, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 19 2012, 02:43 PM)


Added on November 19, 2012, 2:46 pm

hmm didnt blizz mentioned except on cold, elemental damages are just for cosmetics? any math links for this "black damage" trend people are talking about?
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Black damage weapons is really good because of stuff like inna's belt which says "adds 7% to holy damage" and those other stuff like zunimassa boots that adds poison damage, it gives extra dps. If you are using weapon that has other elemental damage, the dps wont be added.
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post Nov 19 2012, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 19 2012, 07:27 PM)
Nah, i'm dead sure u don't get the full elemental bonus. Say a manticore user with poison damage wont enjoy the full 7/8 percent holy bonus from Inna's belt.

Is your weapon non elemental?

p.s: i've an in-depth DH DPS calculator and inna just doesn't go with manticore cuz of the elemental on the manti
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pretty sure you dont get any elemental bonus if your weapon has elemental damage
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post Nov 19 2012, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 19 2012, 08:06 PM)
Elemental dmg weapon = elemental damage + physical dmg weapon

What inns belt does is it adds 7/8 percent of your physical damage to your final DPS.

Since elemental damage weapons have lower physical damage range due to the added on elemental damage, you don't benefit fully from the belt compared to a pure non elemental weapon.

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ah I forgot about the damage before they add the elemental damage, thanks for clearing that up
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post Nov 26 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 26 2012, 10:20 AM)
We don't need dps in uber run. Let them DH/Wiz/Barb (oops did I not mentioned WD??) to do the killing blow. Monk's appearance in uber run is to keep the ubers in tact & spam MoC.
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That's pretty much not really true, I carry my group's mp9/10 dps in ubers while giving good buffs like MoC and guiding light.

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