This oso 1 of the factor that limits the proper PV to be ported to WP. Well said But what to do, they signed up with MS... fated d..

I see, at least now im certain that we dont get this priority setting with stock camera software most often. 2.7 sec is stil alot to play for those who knows about photography But i do understand the flexibility of adjusting the shutter speed directly, rather than getting approx figures by relying on ISO. Such a pity, but like Guru Damain has mentioned b4 on this topic... u cant pleased everyone and limitations are there.

Loud and clear bro! Indeed this will ruin the photos in most of the fast moving & low light scene (That is why, myself 99% use pureview, 1% auto for others use my phone to taking shots for me ). and the success rate for 808 is low (for single shot pass). 808 nid patience and time in order to get the best image out of the it. To overcome slow shutter, Im now learning to get steady on 1/30, sometimes in 1/8-10 on food shots, stil some slight blur, but at least better now. Practice practice

Side note: Im actually quite OK with some low light shots up to ISO 800 sometimes, if for facebook, printouts, but DEFINITELY not for ZOOMING (ala attention to detail purposes )

That is the true intention on the Pureview tech. Easy sharing great photos with compact file size! We leave 38Mp to the professional to deal with . haha

I still remember this original post from you... totally no comparison bro! the lossless zoom already take a huge lead on detail, not yet compare pureview pixel sampling tech yet.

Nowadays less seeing you post pic! Hope to see some soon

Ic ic . but stil hopefully can have more 808 users to join sharing ma~some ordinary stuff or food (got member complain on food pics coz got puasa...betahan d temptations...lolz) Sifu aspire 38mp gallery will crash browser...haha

At least glad to know u trigger happy with 808

Camera is the best to date, but it is not easy to use compared to compact P & S, and also refer my earlier discussion with andy214, by default 808 is on lower side on shutter speed, meaning shaky & blury shots is going to happen, that you might nid some skill to overcome at first...

Minus some random crash, hang, 2days not a problem. But still depends on individual usage.

Browsing not reli that recommended, nid to do alot of scrolling and zooming due to low res screen. Recommend Opera mobile for better browsing experience.

Wechat 4.2.0. is usable, but not that great, especially on typing, it will revert to fp1 keyboard...also for Chinese user, u have to set your keyboard to chinese input before starting Wechat, or else it will crash when you start to type.

Whatsapp no frills though

Erm.. i duno about the pricing though, mayb u can look into garage sales~

Dont worry, it is normal, because the default distance is 15cm compared to 10cm on N8, dont be afriad to use the lossless zoom when you nid to do serious macro shots!

Keep up!

FYI, Someone in LYN already selling revised version (with cap speaker hole) since Jan 2013 https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2441535/all

Do you still have some shots of yours that indicates the problem as stated? care to share?

As far as I'm using it till now, minor noise on low-light shots was normal, at least acceptable to my eye. Others issues like inaccurate indoor WB, slow shutter on auto modes, these i can live with it. The image quality for low-light already surpassed my P&S 12MP Canon SX200 (minus the optical zoom). Not to mention in daylight, 808 dominates my compact camera in overall image quality. Examples of my recent experimental lousy low light shots, comments are welcome:

Handheld (low-light)
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1/10sec, ISO400, EV -0.7


1/12sec, ISO400, EV -1.7 (still think that should go lower on EV, but just a quick shot)


1/8sec, ISO500, EV -1

Stabilizing tools used (evening)
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1/8sec, ISO800, EV+1


2.7sec, ISO50, EV+1 ND not sure izit on or off (as if the scene was low light enuf, it can still achieve 2.7 sec without ND)

Nokia no longer going to produced any Symbian phone as we know, if it is a hardware issue, you can only hope for the WP series. Period. BUT, are you certain that this fix can be carried out by software ?

Still, im still amazed that these images actually comes from a cameraphone you can visit the gallery for more sifu's action on 808 performance (38MP Full resolution Gallery )

No problem, at least to me is still new...haha. I haven't gone up to ISO1600 before (nor i will going to), as for those discussion shots, both in ISO1600, i mentioned earlier, either u wan steady shot with noise, or blur shot with no noise, your call. To me, at least both shots are pretty usable (Judging by those situations) And for what i can see from the shot, it can actually achieve much better results without cranking up to ISO1600 (the stuffed toy pic, since the shutter speed is 1/614, for me, 1/100 or 1/50 is enough to get a clear shot, in the same situation, with reduced ISO level, T & C apply la ). To tell you the truth, even my Canon SX200 ISO1600 is worst that 808.

All your listed cameraphone have their own unique, something you must know that, 808 evolved from those models, without them, no PureView today. Either they are good or bad, they are still the reference camera that Juha's team take in to consideration to create the sensor room and optic size for 808, with the collaboration with Carl Zeiss.

There is no such thing as best cameraphone "forever" edi, only time will tell, maybe best cameraphone on certain era, yes, i agree. Have you noticed how Samsung tops their best Galaxy every year to wow the crowd? How long will the top last ?

How sure you know that this is a small problem anyway? not always software do the magic part, hardware & components are crucial too.

High ISO originally will naturally create more noise in reality (even PureView Tech wont save you from this, as super pixel sampling process with noise at the end you will still get... noise). You do alot of night shots without flash often? prefer high shutter speed priority? In that case, may i suggest that you consider a real DSLR or camcorder? Big names like C, N or S have been in this field more than 10 -20 years or more. It is time to move on bro! You already known 808's weakness, and yes, every phone has its own weakness

Cameraphone is still just a "camera" phone, it will not going to replace the DSLR or dedicated professional imaging tool in future.

I hope you are happy with your 808 while it was still alive back then...

This post has been edited by realjazzcoke: Apr 23 2013, 11:45 AM

A popular question. But, very dependent on individual's usage. Mind to share some input on what kind of activity you would like to conduct in 808?

Thanks.

Camera is one thing that going to drain the battery real quick (especially daylight shots when u nid to bright up the screen to the max). Approx 3 hrs on snapping & video recording should be fine. Same to GPS, i tried using Garmin on almost 4hrs straight, after that left about 20%.

Above ratings are not accurate, i too using Nokia battery monitor readings for evaluation. Oso other factors like how long to take a shot, time of reviewing after the shots will also affect the usage.

I would recommend mobile charger or the spare BL-4D (1200mAH) should come in handy if you are going to shoot alot of pics.

During my holidays i think i can snap up to 100+ of shots, GPS for 10-15 mins per every trip and do some basic online activity on the same day and it can withstand 1 day + (Offline at night when going to sleep) But for the next day any moment u will nid to recharged again (due to usage).

Interesting!

Hopefully in future there are cameraphones with shutter speed priority from any big names (still, Nokia preferred ) , reli looking forward to it!

Until then, cameraphones are still striped down version from proper camera. give them some time to improve on this field (hopefully they can go further with accs in future to work will real interchangable lenses~, just as Juha's custom 808 proto version, coz that way u can reli make use of the 41MP sensor haha )

As family photo and kids shots, Xenon flash will come in handy ,but, i usually lower some EV 1st in order to get a more natural atmosphere and better results (my experience.. not pro ya), not to mention higher priority on shutter speed (as opposed to higher ISO, ultra steady handling and virtually impossible non-moving object/human in low light condition = noisy pic) minor red-eye issue can be remedied by some 3rd party apps or basic editing software on PC. Abit of extra work

Nokia still have EOS and the coming soon L928 (xenon version) to entertain us~

Ya, those are the drawbacks of flash, i only reserve this method when i urge the need for speed and i only got 1 shot to do (when ppl are not directly looking at the camera, more on action shots rather than normal potraits). Indeed multiple shots are not a option when flash comes in. But 808 ISO 800 does gives usable results too, if lower a little EV @ night.

I saw the user request on Damian twitter, and he did reply that comment, not all can be done at 1 stage, and they cant pleased everyone with all with their settings, as the user is the final result of how the phone actually performs, not in Nokia's hand.

Yes, that was part of the rumors too, hopefully can make it to May 14 Nokia still have plenty to come!

808 served well as the last Symbian pioneer, out of the 5 years on making the PV project, 1 or 2 of the recent years Nokia has done a deal with MS, so im glad this phone not end up as a prototype. And as fated, most of the tech will move to their MS product, rather than focusing on Symbian, still, it is considered lucky to have their final bits for 808 when compared what happened to Maemo and Meego OS.

The PureView team do knows the ups and down with the shutter, but, considering and implementing are different cases, maybe this barrier of the essential "proper" camera feature is still not ready for now(as i mentioned before, or mungkin i ulu klang~ Paiseh ya , i yet to see any "official" cameraphones from any big names that offers real manual shutter control from stock till now. I know there are 3rd parties software overrides, but did they work as advertised?)

808 indeed can do way better, if wasn't the flag changed to MS

Hopefully the May 14th terbalik reli shows a hint of 41MP EOS this time around...lolz

Hopefully your are right on that, i would like to see this happen, as many of us do. This will even the cameraphone capable on tackling some difficult situations when flash was restricted and shutter priority are high.

Bro, u do have a N900 rite? can request some shots from the camera ah? now Im interested on seing some shots from shutter priorities wan, mayb some cars/plane/birds(haha...izit possible?) Not for the sake of the quality, is just for the right shot to take at the right moment feel. If canot nvmd ya

Maemo is the only OS that i didn't have a chance to play around.. sigh...

Sifu, my statement is there:

"808 served well as the last Symbian pioneer, out of the 5 years on making the PV project, 1 or 2 of the recent years Nokia has done a deal with MS, so im glad this phone not end up as a prototype. And as fated, most of the tech will move to their MS product, rather than focusing on Symbian"

I was mentioning Nokia not the device itself all the time, Im not sure which point i mentioned doesn't reflect to them. The reason i said that is because we know once Nokia has alliances with MS, no longer they will focus on Symbian (Not on hardware or software). Period. So how to push to the limit when there is no more people involve on Symbian? even apps developer already long gone...And Guru Damian..

Yes, i c how Sammy doing their flagship (and they do mean flagship as they topped their flagship every year), But when you are comparing some company who owns every component of the phone, we are way out of our league to compare. Nokia might look big on phone industry now, but Sammy is huge on all sorts of electronics industry. And they do not have to worry about the OS (applies to Sony, Moto, HTC...) Unlike Nokia, they have to work closely to MS, even on product launch date (Remember L920?)

Flagship is not always being about topping the device on all aspect every year(i can see Sammy is breaking the rules here, for now). Nokia acquire camera industry tech not for nothing. Until then we just see tomorrow what Nokia have to offer

I agree with Andy's statement on this, They currently have nothing much to offer, and they have to force some improper "flagship" to tease the market 1st. Since Windows Phone OS not able to steal the show, they have to rely on PureView Badge to do so.

This post has been edited by realjazzcoke: May 13 2013, 04:17 PM

Reli? hmm... seldom face such problem, u mean on camera interface where it might mis-press some other options come out?

i get what u mean now, paiseh... i think is due to the sms interface which was too edge to the corner screen. It is hard to register the cursor precise on the left edge corner. If the text input corner are nested within a box (a few mm inwards). I think it will be better, and fp2 cursor sucks.. i rather exchange d smiley with cursors. Still, aint reli complaining coz i do have large thumbs ....

After testing with 2 andriod phones (lenovo s890 and samsung galaxy s advance) my experiences as follows:
Lenovo s890 : superb precision, never have any issue from any part on right to the left edge. (i think large screen got its advantages here, wild guess)
Galaxy S Advance : before calibration, hit rate is like 50%, after calibration 60%, but i think is due to my large thumb oso..haha

Im do not own any andriod phones, so nid to borrow for testing~

My conclusion: kindly refer to the blue triangle indicated on each phone model's keyboard, im not sure izit every android keyboard layout was different. For Lenovo S890 & Galaxy S adv, there are some gaps there, but in 808, there was actually the least gap from the screen edge (not from bezel) So Im suprised i still get 50% hit despite of how my thumb is going to squeeze in that space for fp2 keyboard , although i still think it might be the interface design issue, but dont take my word for it, as i yet to test all of the android phones...



This post has been edited by realjazzcoke: May 13 2013, 10:13 PM

This is how my 808 reacts.. tested on 1 hand while looking at N8 screen during recording session on the other hand (not looking at 808)

Mind my thumb~haha

I do not get much andriod experience as im the only one not using andriod in my community...sorry

This is just a simulation test, i think in actual the hit rate might be lower, since im using N8 as my primary (and still learning how to get used to FP1 QWERTY, my hit rates was reli low )

Note: i aint texter, so im slow on typing on touchscreens, miss my n97mini keyboard

This post has been edited by realjazzcoke: May 14 2013, 10:40 AM

On older device like n97 mini, there is screen calibration (but maybe is just to accommodate the use of stylus, so might nid the extra precision), Symbian ^3 no longer have this option.

I dont use swype, tried b4, but i manyak bodoh wan.. coz i dont formal in texting....now learning to type properly on N8 portrait KB is a pain to the @ss..haha

Hopefully there are some remedies on the KB usability issue when the new updates arrived. The cursor placement is also 1 of the questionable usability to old timer KB user too.