Jura is a good brand great customer service here in states
If u looking a fully automatic machine Jura is better than saeco. But entry level these days made in Portugal

For < 3000 can get http://www.shopjura.com/factory-certified/...50-classic.html

For < 3700 can get a very nice http://www.shopjura.com/factory-certified/...-touch-tft.html

Thing with Jura u have to buy their cleaning products. They do last from my experience. Those who don't maintain them they break and do cost a lot to fix!

yea.. saw this brand in this thread..someone was buying from taobao n shipped to malaysia..
i will try to read more b4 decide on which one to get.

afraid of custom tax only