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post Sep 25 2012, 09:08 AM, updated 14y ago

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Hi all
I m new to this LYFN and forgive if i m posting in wrong thread ye!. OK, my question is i do not know where and how to exactly conduct a land title search in www.jkptg.gov.my ( i find the website very confusing ) so can some sifu pls give me a helping hand ...TQVM in advance


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post Sep 25 2012, 09:36 AM

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You can ask lawyer to do a land search for you.
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post Sep 25 2012, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(ykyong @ Sep 25 2012, 09:08 AM)
Hi all
I m new to this LYFN and forgive if i m posting in wrong thread ye!. OK, my question is i do not know where and how to exactly conduct a land title search in www.jkptg.gov.my ( i find the website very confusing ) so can some sifu pls give me a helping hand ...TQVM in advance
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Those land sales agent can help u with it, or there is even such runner tat help people doing land search...
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post Sep 25 2012, 09:52 AM

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easy way, get agent do it for u. just pay runner fee.

if u want to get some experience relating to land administration, just go to the related land office, depending on land location u want to search..ask the pak guard or info counter the land search counter.

equip yrself with the title/lot no or google map/earth print screen of the desired land. pay certain amount then they will print the info for u.

done.
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post Sep 25 2012, 10:02 AM

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Aiyah, go lah to land office yourself when free.

Not complicated process only.
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post Sep 25 2012, 10:20 AM

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just go land office located near to your target land. pay rm50 on the spot.
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post Sep 25 2012, 10:50 AM

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Wow, you ppls really rock...so fast, so many replies.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Yes, i did tought of dropping by there to kau thim it on the spot but i was hoping to do it online ( i did recalled sometime ago, i did chance across a certain page, clean and straight forward with clear step to request for online land title info and naturally need to pay online too ) but certainly the page link is more i cc it , d more confused i b.


One last question, can i drop by the nearest land office where i happened to be or do i need to drop by puchong as the property is in puchong perdana ppls? hmm.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(ykyong @ Sep 25 2012, 10:50 AM)
Hi all
Wow, you ppls really rock...so fast, so many replies.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Yes, i did tought of dropping by there to kau thim it on the spot but i was hoping to do it online ( i did recalled sometime ago, i did chance across a certain page, clean and straight forward with clear step to request for online land title info and naturally need to pay online too  ) but certainly the page link is more i cc it , d more confused i b.
One last question, can i drop by the nearest land office where i happened to be or do i need to drop by puchong as the property is in puchong perdana ppls?  hmm.gif
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I may not rock like the others but here's my 2 cents worth.

If you want to do it personally this is how you go about it:

1. Determine which land office you need to go to first. Land office is not like a post office or JPJ where everything is standardised. The land office which has particulars of your title would depend on the nature of your title itself. Look at the front of the title and how it is identified - HSM, HSD, PM, PN, GERAN. What does it say? Then look at which Mukim/Seskyen it is located in.

eg - If it is HSM or PM, then it is a Mukim Title and if it is Mukim Petaling, then you need to go to the Petaling Land Office. If it is GERAN or HSD, then you would need to go to the State land office located in Shah Alam. Go there, take a number and tell the person in charge at the counter that you want to do carian hakmilik. It will cost you RM30. Go early in the morning, around 8plus or 9 at the latest as there would be a big crowd there.

2. There is no such thing as an online title search. You can only access quit rent details and payment records via online.
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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Sep 25 2012, 11:05 AM)
I may not rock like the others but here's my 2 cents worth.

If you want to do it personally this is how you go about it:

1. Determine which land office you need to go to first. Land office is not like a post office or JPJ where everything is standardised. The land office which has particulars of your title would depend on the nature of your title itself. Look at the front of the title and how it is identified - HSM, HSD, PM, PN, GERAN. What does it say? Then look at which Mukim/Seskyen it is located in.

eg - If it is HSM or PM, then it is a Mukim Title and if it is Mukim Petaling, then you need to go to the Petaling Land Office. If it is GERAN or HSD, then you would need to go to the State land office located in Shah Alam. Go there, take a number and tell the person in charge at the counter that you want to do carian hakmilik. It will cost you RM30. Go early in the morning, around 8plus or 9 at the latest as there would be a big crowd there.

2.  There is no such thing as an online title search. You can only access quit rent details and payment records via online.
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there's an online land title search but it needs a subscription, maybe meant for contractors or real estate agents

it takes 3 - 5 working days for Klang Valley area

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post Jun 12 2015, 01:23 AM

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Great to see infor here. Been trying to learn on land deal
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post Nov 26 2015, 09:58 PM

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Hi,

I would like to know whether the land search will include the following information:

1. There is a loan with bank
2. Is it currently charge to bank, and which bank?

Anybody can help?

Thank you
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post Nov 26 2015, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Sep 25 2012, 11:05 AM)
I may not rock like the others but here's my 2 cents worth.

If you want to do it personally this is how you go about it:

1. Determine which land office you need to go to first. Land office is not like a post office or JPJ where everything is standardised. The land office which has particulars of your title would depend on the nature of your title itself. Look at the front of the title and how it is identified - HSM, HSD, PM, PN, GERAN. What does it say? Then look at which Mukim/Seskyen it is located in.

eg - If it is HSM or PM, then it is a Mukim Title and if it is Mukim Petaling, then you need to go to the Petaling Land Office. If it is GERAN or HSD, then you would need to go to the State land office located in Shah Alam. Go there, take a number and tell the person in charge at the counter that you want to do carian hakmilik. It will cost you RM30. Go early in the morning, around 8plus or 9 at the latest as there would be a big crowd there.

2.  There is no such thing as an online title search. You can only access quit rent details and payment records via online.
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May i know which website to check quit rent details and payment record?
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post Nov 27 2015, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 26 2015, 10:01 PM)
May i know which website to check quit rent details and payment record?
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For selangor can check hasil.selangor.gov.my.
For assessment, try the municipal website.
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post Sep 16 2016, 03:08 PM

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I got few questions.

1) Is the land search office in KL located near the Dataran Merdeka there?
2) Can I get info on whether is it bumi/non-bumi lot and whether the property already has strata title?
3) How much is the fee?
4) What info do I need to request for a land search details or I just need to provide my NRIC and I can do land search for any properties I needed.

Thanks
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post Nov 8 2022, 08:59 PM

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Hope any senior can give opinion.
One of my friend recently won a property via auction.
The auction agent told him this unit is no a bumi lot so not worry.
But the defaultor is a bumi
And then he checked the developer website, 5% bumi discount will be given for bumi buyer. So he is worrying will this auction unit is transferable to his name. Thank you
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post Nov 8 2022, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 8 2022, 08:59 PM)
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Hope any senior can give opinion.
One of my friend recently won a property via auction.
The auction agent told him this unit is no a bumi lot so not worry.
But the defaultor is a bumi
And then he checked the developer website, 5% bumi discount will be given for bumi buyer. So he is worrying will this auction unit is transferable to his name. Thank you
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Bumi Lot and Bumi Registered Owner are two different thing.

Bumi Lot can only be transfer to another bumi buyer. Is to control the dilution of bumi ownership in the property market.

Bumi Named Owner can be transfered to any buyer. The 5% discount is the state govt initiative to 'help' bumi buyers to own properties as their ownership was very low and hence the policy was implemented then and now forever

My current property was a bumi owner previously and I have no issue transfer to my name.

In the title search, if there is a restriction on transfer, it will be stated in the column 'sekatan kepentingan'

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 8 2022, 09:36 PM
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post Nov 8 2022, 09:52 PM

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I see, thank for clarification, i tell him, do the land search before bid the unit. Since this is my first time see the land search title, so i cant give him a very sure answer.

with this land search result, mean the strata title was issued, and all details on the title is accurate and not any hidden information already right? If a property is bumi lot, the land search result MUST SHOW the bumi related information at either kawasan rizab or sekatan kepentingan right?

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post Nov 8 2022, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 8 2022, 09:52 PM)
I see, thank for clarification, i tell him, do the land search before bid the unit. Since this is my first time see the land search title, so i cant give him a very sure answer.

with this land search result, mean the strata title was issued, and all details on the title is accurate and not any hidden information already right? If a property is bumi lot, the land search result MUST SHOW the bumi related information at either kawasan rizab or sekatan kepentingan right?
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There are 2 types of land search.

1. General or the cheaper version. (Carian Persendirian)

The results are printed out without the authorised signature of the land office. They will not be held liable for those who rely on the limited info. The search is normally not to be used as info to enter into a contract.

2. Carian Rasmi or more expensive method.

Same results or more info available and with authorised signature.

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post Nov 9 2022, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 8 2022, 09:52 PM)
I see, thank for clarification, i tell him, do the land search before bid the unit. Since this is my first time see the land search title, so i cant give him a very sure answer.

with this land search result, mean the strata title was issued, and all details on the title is accurate and not any hidden information already right? If a property is bumi lot, the land search result MUST SHOW the bumi related information at either kawasan rizab or sekatan kepentingan right?
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Make sure do a detail search on all aspect, not just land title, caveat, fees etc. I made this mistake long ago. End up was a bumi lot. The POS didn't mentioned as compared to now. Suspect they wanted to scam bidders. Anyway got it sorted by appealing to transfer. Thankfully no penalty for delay.

Now for auction properties, there are agents. Use them, pay a bit to get all checked. Rather then run risk getting caught. Just target 30% to 40% below market good enough to cover the agent fees. So in future when u do sell, no lost, agent fees recovered back. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Nov 9 2022, 06:43 AM)
Make sure do a detail search on all aspect, not just land title, caveat, fees etc. I made this mistake long ago. End up was a bumi lot. The POS didn't mentioned as compared to now. Suspect they wanted to scam bidders. Anyway got it sorted by appealing to transfer. Thankfully no penalty for delay.

Now for auction properties, there are agents. Use them, pay a bit to get all checked. Rather then run risk getting caught. Just target 30% to 40% below market good enough to cover the agent fees. So in future when u do sell, no lost, agent fees recovered back. :thumbsup:
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Haha you are veteran on auction player?
Last time you bidden that bumi lot by doing land search already or you just relying the POS only before you bid?

So by seeing my friend land title search, the sekatan kepentingan : tidak, is this enough to proof this is no a bumi lot right?
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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 9 2022, 08:21 AM)
Haha you are veteran on auction player?
Last time you bidden that bumi lot by doing land search already or you just relying the POS only before you bid?

So by seeing my friend land title search, the sekatan kepentingan : tidak, is this enough to proof this is no a bumi lot right?
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Just depend on POS and auction house info. Didn't know they could mislead bidder. Safest now check land title.

But need to check other aspects too. That is why safest and easiest use agent now. Back then no such services offered.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 8 2022, 09:29 PM)
Bumi Lot and Bumi Registered Owner are two different thing.

Bumi Lot can only be transfer to another bumi buyer. Is to control the dilution of bumi ownership in the property market.

Bumi Named Owner can be transfered to any buyer. The 5% discount is the state govt initiative to 'help' bumi buyers to own properties as their ownership was very low and hence the policy was implemented then and now forever

My current property was a bumi owner previously and I have no issue transfer to my name.

In the title search, if there is a restriction on transfer, it will be stated in the column 'sekatan kepentingan'
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It appears that the title is still in developer's name. Therefore it is best to get confirmation from developer whether this is a bumi reserve unit. From title you can see this is NOT malay reserve land so non bumi can buy and there is no need to get consent from state govt. BUt the issue is whether the developer willing to sign direct to you and how much they will charge for direct transfer. May be they will include to charge you for the bumi lot discount given if they are in need to pay back the state for failing to keep with the quota.
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Nov 11 2022, 12:26 PM)
It appears that the title is still in developer's name. Therefore it is best to get confirmation from developer whether this is a bumi reserve unit. From title you can see this is NOT malay reserve land so non bumi can buy and there is no need to get consent from state govt. BUt the issue is whether the developer willing to sign direct to you and how much they will charge for direct transfer. May be they will include to charge you for the bumi lot discount given if they are in need to pay back the state for failing to keep with the quota.
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1. If developer not sign direct, mean double transfer?
2. If developer agree to direct transfer, and bumi quota achieve, so the admin fee normally 1 to 2 % based on the purchased price?
3. If developer agree to direct transfer, and bumi quota not achieve, so the admin fee will be 1 to 2% based on the purchased price + bumi quota rebate 5% based on SPA?

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post Dec 14 2022, 11:56 AM

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hello .. any runner here can help to do carian rasmi ? thanks
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QUOTE(BWKK @ Dec 14 2022, 11:56 AM)
hello .. any runner here can help to do carian rasmi ? thanks
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For the benefit of others, where is your property located ?
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post Dec 14 2022, 09:11 PM

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Can try easylaw. Type Google easylaw.
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post Dec 29 2023, 04:28 PM

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Sorry, I am just using Aldo-Kirosu's catatan carian persendirian as a common example of carian persendirian. And, I am not referring to specific details in Aldo-Kirosu's catatan carian persendirian.


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My housing loan for a subsale apartment unit in Kuala Lumpur was approved last year, and I received the strata title for my unit a few months ago.


Is it acceptable to go Pejabat Pengarah Tanah dan Galian Wilayah Persekutuan Kuala Lumpur website (https://www.ptgwp.gov.my/portal/awam-landing-page), and pay RM 30.00 for e-Carian Persendirian, in order to get the catatan carian persendirian similar to Aldo-Kirosu's screenshot?


I am not entirely sure myself, but I think that the catatan carian persendirian can be used as another type of document that validates the ownership of the unit.


Or, is it not necessary to pay for catatan carian persendirian at all, because the strata title is good enough to be be used as a document that validates the ownership of the unit? In other words, it is a waste of RM 30 money, to pay for e-Carian Persendirian.


Apologies, if my questions may be silly, since I am not so familiar with Property Talk subforum. Thank you for the information. smile.gif

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