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 Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0

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post Mar 3 2012, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Mar 1 2012, 07:46 AM)
But auto car muz use 1 bullet,1midbox,rite?wat happened if onli use 1 midbox?
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there is no such definite rule.

exhaust system is very passive with so many variables taken into account.

the important variables need to be considered
- exhaust flow smoothness
- piping size
- piping length

you have to bear in mind that resonators/bullet/midbox, mufflers and all the noise suppressors affect the exhaust gas flow in one or another way while helps reducing noise. if you have a very good muffler, it is not necessary to have additional midbox in the middle. you look at basic factory produced cars, a lot of them do not have bullet/midbox, only one rear muffler. Proton Wira 1.3/1.5 automatic for example, does not have any bullet or midbox.

remember, people want extra bullet or midbox in the middle to suppress noise, not to create performance. although to some extend the choice of resonator and placement does affect the power curve in some sort of way.

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post Mar 3 2012, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Mar 3 2012, 12:59 PM)
So my car is auto.use bullet n midbox.rear is s flow muffler.i plan to change d rear muffler to stock muffler.so tat means i can remove d bullet without affect performance,rite?
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yes you can.
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post Mar 3 2012, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Mar 3 2012, 02:45 PM)
If din remove,tat means wil cause d gas flow not smooth?
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if removing it will cost you some labour charge, better just leave it. otherwise best to get it removed.
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post Mar 8 2012, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Mar 5 2012, 08:40 PM)
if i change bec stock muffler instead s flow muffler,will affect a lot in performance?


Added on March 7, 2012, 10:04 pm

nw i oledi change to another s flow muffler..brand is marco..nw my rear muffler sound much quiet than previous..but i still can feel the bassy sound in the cabin(onli at front seat)..when i sat in rear seat,there is no noise when cruising 110kmh..but if sat in front,then can hear it..previous muffler more louder,current marco one oledi reduce around 70% noise..the exhaust shop told me,since i use straight bullet,so the sound can go in to the cabin..the bullet is at bottom of front seat,so will cause onli got sound when sat in front seat..is it true?he asked me to change my straight bullet to the bullet which got one pieces metal in the middle of inside of bullet..he mentioend it can reduce the noise and increase pick up especially auto car..
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One thing for sure, if you're changing the bullet, avoid spiral/twisted type bullet because it's not only gimmick, but also create more 'droning noise'.
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post Mar 29 2012, 08:37 PM

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Universal fit exhaust systems are never the best, this includes tuner brand universal mufflers (APEXi, HKS, FGK, etc), even if they're original.

You are getting 'custom performance' whenever you're doing a custom exhaust. That means, your setup will either be good, or just flop.

If any of you by any means happen to come across tuner brand full set exhaust specially made for your car (and engine), get it.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 30 2012, 04:16 PM)
The brands you quoted are more towards Japanese cars and I'm not sure if they have a specific model for each car (very likely not?). However for continental cars, they always have a proper specific model for the car so obviously it's not a universal product like what Japanese brands normally do. In the case of continental cars, the companies that makes these performance exhausts are also the ones designing exhausts for BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, Porsche, etc. In terms of quality, they are also the top 5 in the world.
Not every car, but usually the popular ones. But sometimes, normal passenger cars have tune-up options too. Even full sized sedans like Camry and Accord have tuner brand exhaust system (usually HKS or Tanabe had their market on these). Certain popular Japanese market wagons/SUV/MPV also have exhaust upgrade options. TRD produces a lot of exhaust upgrade systems for Toyota specific passenger cars like Vios, Corolla, Camry... but normally limited to certain region market only. Mugen does not only make performance part for Civic/Integra R ... but also Accord, Fit (Jazz) as well as CR-Z.

HKS even produce turbokit and exhaust system for Suzuki Swift.

I believe European tuners and Japanese tuners approach market in similar way, produce parts not only for performance cars, but also for popular models. Maybe it's just the concept different, I don't know.

I'm driving an AE92 Corolla, but using Apexi N1 exhaust system made specifically for AE111 Levin. Considering I'm using AE111 engine itself, and my car exhaust piping route is basically similar to Levin, so I opt to use it. HKS used to make one for AE92 though... but it was long time discontinued. Pretty much similar spec. It's like using Evo3 parts in a 4G63 Wira... lol.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 30 2012, 11:24 PM)
To be honest, Japanese and continental cars are 2 different leagues smile.gif If you consider TRD upgrade like those (for Vios, Camry) as a proper performance upgrade then I really scratch my head and have nothing else to say. You should see what "performance" upgrade really means by looking at what continental car tuners/manufacturers have to offer. Anyway, it's just how every individual perceive things and since I've owned a local, Japanese and Continental car myself (not adding other family cars which I have), I'm very clear of the differences. If we go back to the exhaust part, it's also undeniable that proper designed exhaust makes a different. The most important aspect is not only about the performance but the quality (Titanium, high grade stainless steel vs China crap stainless steel by local exhaust shops). When it's new you can't see or tell but along the way, it's very apparent.

If crap shops like Wai Heng exhaust is so good, they seriously should expand to the global market and multiply their profits substantially. The fact that they don't is because they cant - all they offer is a screw up exhaust replacement system which makes you lose torque and bhp without you knowing most of the time. I've tried it 3 times and I think it's enough.
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I wouldn't consider TRD to be one of the ultimate tuning parts manufacturer for passenger car, but they do give some options. It's just an example anyway. But there's an obvious difference in class for let say TRD parts for a mere Toyota Vios, and TRD parts for Supra or MR2 (although as we know, both these cars are way out of production).

But tuning houses like HKS and Tanabe do make real performance upgrade with top notch quality. They cannot be underestimated. European/Continental cars have always had the image of luxuriness, of course they have to produce high quality parts and high class image marketing. You can't compare Hamann supercharger for BMW with Blitz supercharger for Toyota Corolla, there's an obvious different target market there. But you could always compare it to an HKS supercharger for BMW. HKS parts made for the GT-R can match the quality offered by Carobu for Ferrari or Remus for Porsche and such.

I'm not gonna argue about Wai Heng though, I agree to every single point about them.

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ May 28 2012, 03:44 PM)
looking for a stock rear muffler with 2.5" inlet...

the quieter the better... preferably a stock exhaust from some car... any idea wat car uses a muffler with that size inlet?
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I think stock Subaru or Evo have that kind of measurement?
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QUOTE(ILikePie @ Jun 16 2012, 02:06 AM)
Just knew LMST no cat con  sweat.gif
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carburetor no cat con needed
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QUOTE(ieyjj @ Feb 7 2013, 05:14 PM)
All of the above is POINTLESS if you watch Mighty Car Mods. They have sent their cars to dyno test and check with all the filters. NO DIFFERENCE compared to Original. lol
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Just that one show? Just because Mighty Car Mods found something, doesn't mean that is the absolute reality.

There are already so many dyno test done by so many people by using various air filter types/brands/styles/shapes, they do show difference compare to original. Irony?

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QUOTE(ieyjj @ Feb 8 2013, 10:49 AM)
Well, assuming if they did get some gains, I am sure it would be unnoticeable gains. Doubt you would be able to feel 1-2% increase at all.
Well, I'm sure you will get noticeable noise. hahaha..
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this is true somehow.
little gains can only be shown in dyno graphs.

but one more thing... people only seem to look at max hp/torque. the power curve is another important aspect to consider.

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