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SUS2890
post Mar 14 2013, 04:14 AM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Mar 14 2013, 04:06 AM)
Yeah.. just trying to play around with barb and see what I can come up with. WW all the time also quite boring but I'm just starting out so if I get more better upgrades, I can afford to play different builds.

@2890 Yeah, waiting for that 12 - 14% bola DMG with 300 vit/dex . Still not out yet and the prices for those limited ones are at 2b which is WAYYYYY too much. You should roll maybe a Wiz? I quite like it. I might try Wiz after I'm done with barb. I got some socketed chantodo's and 400 DMG chatodo off hand that I'm saving up. Just in case I do roll a wiz.
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i think i'll roll a zero CD zombie dog WD =D

but all this depends on my sale of the inna's pants la. see how much gold I can get. I think cm wiz are bloody expensive to play. I've saw chant wands n source, good lord.

so i think 1b can cover zero cd WD but not the cm wiz.

oh yeah, 12-14 DMLs are expensive and since you want 300 again on main, boy, 2b easily. I think try getting like 300 dex but 250ish vit, the bonus 10% can already la. but i think la, unless you use lots of bola, a EA DML would be a better choice.

lol i just realize this is barb thread.

Sorry barbs!!!
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post Mar 18 2013, 02:16 AM

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man you barbs are IMBA.

88mil HP mob with extra health affix, can just perma HOTA the mob until die.. =.=
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post Mar 23 2013, 07:28 PM

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http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SwSw-2890/hero/26101487

Out of boredom but the downside is can't kill elites. Just thrash mobs.
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post Mar 23 2013, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Mar 23 2013, 07:48 PM)
Wah just started already so geared but can't kill elites? hmmm.. I think you have a nice set of IK's but I would personally got with 2 set only for set bonus and the rest for DPS and eHP so that I can kill elites on MP10 efficiently. Also, crafted gloves beats IK anytime unless of course you have a tri IK gloves lar.. that one I can't say anything but nice BARB anyways. Anyway, trash mobs are the ones dropping the legs most of the time if you're doing Keep2 farming.
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nicely geared? no way man. I cincai assemble the barb within 1 day and the total cost is below 300m. Gems are from storage long time ago when I was flipping them for PVP and it was dirt cheap back then.

most expensive piece is the EF at 70m but apart from that, each piece is pretty cheap imo.

yeah can't kill elites and i don't really bother either. just take it for a spin when i'm bored with my DH.
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post Mar 23 2013, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Mar 23 2013, 08:07 PM)
I don't kill elites either unless there's party play with the LYN guys. It's pretty cheap to assemble a decent barb unlike DH and with a small amount of DPS, can already run MP10. For farming, definitely barb for efficiency. Uber, have to use my DH coz my barb still not properly geared yet. What are you running with your barb? Keep 2?
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Yeap keep 2 MP10 only. I can take one fallen maniac explosion but the worst thing is after they explode, a swift skull cleaver or those porcupines come whack you. =)

I wanna kill elites but i can't. It takes too long even with HOTA. Can't complain la.

Yeah farming thrash mobs with barb is fast and effective but I can't farm DE. =)

oh yeah, I was advised to go mempo, inna's too but then i'm sick of mempo n inna. and besides, i can keep berserker up with my AS and those two parts are expensive.

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post Mar 23 2013, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Mar 23 2013, 08:30 PM)
Yeah the perks of having full IK set. I normally take less then 3M to clear Keep2. I use skorn and Rend lacerate. They normally drop dead like flies after kena WW and Rend Lacerate. What I do is WW 1-2 times then Rend and sprint to the next mob. Rinse and repeat till BAM ' 300 Monster Kill Bonus' lul. So I never have problem with WOTB.
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i get dizzy after a while man. So I can't really play long hours on the barb.


QUOTE(cheer83 @ Mar 23 2013, 08:35 PM)
^^ kill faster than ur dh ?
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nope. =)
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post Mar 23 2013, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Mar 23 2013, 08:38 PM)
Definitely... DH slowpoke, have to gloom, echoing blast, bola and move on to the next mob.. some more no sprint. The plus side is, DH kill elite easily on MP10. Just sentry, gloom and lay traps and wait for them to drop dead while hitting them with bola.
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My DH kills faster thrash mobs or elites. The biggest difference here is the mobility and the ability to handle larger crowds.

Speed of killing wise I still think my DH is way faster but with berserker and sprint, the whole gameplay feels faster.
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post Mar 23 2013, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Mar 23 2013, 08:41 PM)
u need hybrid build , with hota  brows.gif
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how much HOTA damage? My crap gears give me around 400-500k per HOTA

QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Mar 23 2013, 08:43 PM)
I use hota if i want to kill elite. Definitely must use or not WW until my eye and hand oso sakit.. WW hota lar i tried. Rend Hota, err.. i have no patience. Its OP as hell. Can tank ELITEs but for me so use to moving with DH, i cannot stand and just rend hota the whole day. I want to try weapon throw though., that one very interesting  brows.gif
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Yeah me too. I prefer moving around or it gets boring. And if play with CM wiz, I can't see whether I HOTA accurate or not. If play solo, HOTA moving elites are just annoying.

oh btw, unless HOTA deals like 2m per HOTA, I still think my DH faster.

but the best thing here is, everything is CHEAP. =)

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post Mar 23 2013, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(silic0sis @ Mar 23 2013, 11:49 PM)
I think if want to do mp10 keep 2 only, skorn might be better for higher rend damage.
The mobs are supposed to die with just 1 rend, so you spin into a group of mobs, rend, then go to next group.
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aduhhhhhhh.. Found out too late...


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post Mar 24 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Mar 24 2013, 03:10 PM)
spent a bit of gold on my barb to increase EHP and get 450k dps with all buffs... but still can't really 1 hit rend most creeps in mp10 leh... 92% crit with all buffs sad.gif

anyone on the same build.. whats your DPS?

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i'm speaking from a DH perspective.

Is you damage solid damage as in always consistent or inflated damage from AS, CC and CHD?


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post Mar 24 2013, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Mar 24 2013, 03:27 PM)
mainly cc and cd but that's the idea of rend build I think.. high cc to ensure rend crits and also high cd because got high cc... aps about 1.21..
Yah want to increase cc... but lose a fair bit of dps and ehp leh....
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I don't know how rend build goes about but from my time with my DH, inflated DPS from AS, CC and CHD are never reliable. One second you are dealing insane damage and the next second, the damage is just sad.
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post Mar 24 2013, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(silic0sis @ Mar 24 2013, 05:31 PM)
I'm actually thinking of copying you and getting witching hour + rend with bloodlust. No problems staying alive like that?
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my barb gears lousy one la. But is good enough to do keep 2 so i'm happy.

and i'm using it hoping to find stuff to fund my DH.
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post Mar 24 2013, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Mar 24 2013, 06:22 PM)
Think I'm going to go with a All Resist IK helm + TWH + AR Lacuni's... waiting for funds to come in 1st... nowadays very hard to earn gold unless you're selling exceptional items.. *sigh* that's probably going to cost me about 500M just for lacuni's and helm itself.
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save it for your DH. =)
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post Mar 29 2013, 02:45 PM

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as your DPS goes up, confirm EHP drop. No choice bah..
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post Apr 16 2013, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Apr 16 2013, 03:35 PM)
Having a hard time deciding between WH and IK belt... If use WH Ehp drop Dps up.. if use IK the other way around but can use Brawler Passive. What do you guys feel about Brawler Passive? Is it significant and useful?
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Don't bust your brains man. Barb gearing is relatively simple. 5p IK and you are set to go on Mp10. Ok la maybe can't kill elites la. Haha.
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post Apr 16 2013, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Apr 16 2013, 03:43 PM)
I always thought barb gearing was simple but when I take builds into account WW or Rend Hota it becomes complicating balancing gear specs, survivability dps and tdps. 5 sets costs = and arm and a leg. I think the problem lies in barbs passive. Everyone is stuck with weapon masters and ruthless and only leaves 1 free slot for open passive. This is the problem. If I had 2 free slot, I could even use bloodthirst + brawler. How nice...
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I have 30 paragon levels of experience so I can't speak much but 5k IK set is not expensive at all. I made my barb with 300m and I'm sure most barbs here have a weapon that cost 500m.

With that IK belt, you probably just need an LS weapon and you're good to go.

And yeah, i think barb builds with memo/twh/inna's are way more expensive than 5p IK.

well don't need for bloodthirst if you have IK belt. And btw, 5p IK looks way much cooler.
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post Apr 16 2013, 11:04 PM

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Is better to have mitigation that depend on AS for life regen. If you are depending on AS for life regen, it'll be good in ideal situations when everything falls into place but there's always that oh crap moment or smth similar and next thing you know, you're dead.
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post Apr 19 2013, 03:18 AM

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if rend build works like archon build then avg dmg > as.
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post Apr 19 2013, 03:31 AM

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assuming rend style works like archon where AS is not important, stacking tons of average damage will be much much better.

Try to go for rings that have high average damage. I think average damage should be your priority followed by CHD. If you wanna deal real damage, go find rings such as unity and wailing host. 4% bonus against elites on each. Find one with avg dmg, CC and CHD.

don't be fooled by the damage gain from AS weapons. Trust me on this cuz i've played a DH after all =P

oh emeralds will always be better for every class except the DH where they have too much CHD.
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post Apr 19 2013, 03:46 AM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Apr 19 2013, 03:38 AM)
thanks!not sure how archon wiz works but in existing gear seen in d3up each str point will give me +77dps. each minimum or max dmg affix will give me +66 dps so i decided that avg dmg on gear doesnt seem attractive? smile.gif

+1 Primary Stat  77.28
+1% Crit Hit  2,368.93
+1% Crit Hit Dmg  347.73
+1 Minimum Dmg  66.52
+1 Maximum Dmg  66.52
+1% Attack Speed  1,806.53
+1% Elemental Damage  1,942.87

since i am a 1.2 to 1.3 aps barb, would be curious to know how the breakdown looks for the higher aps
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and str DPS gain scales with your DPS and total str.

CC and AS mostly gives you paper DPS but average damage, primary stats, elemental damage gives you REAL damage.

My archon is at 1.77 APS and the beam does 300% (25% extra if select improved archon rune). I melt elites within 10 seconds.
Rend deals like 700%? Imagine you stack tons of average damage and that total is being added to your skorn's damage range. Your rend is gonna hurt real bad.

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