QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 16 2012, 08:06 PM)
Again nobody cares if you feel inferior or superior about yourself. The employers only care only if you could get the job done.
And nobody cares about you if you're a fresh grad and whether you feel inferior or superior about youself! You are just another speck of dust to them.
And as a fresh grad how are you going to demonstrate that you can get the work done without having the relevant experience?
Therefore you go back to malaysia, get a MNC job there and then leverage on the experience.
If you don't believe me just ask other forumers here who are MNC hiring managers if they prefer to hire 1) a fresh grad who feels inferior/superior about himself/herself with no experience to demonstrate that they can get the work done or someone who has the relevant experience and have demonstrated they can get the job done irrespective of whether he/she feels inferior/superior about himself/herself.
u really have problem with examples when it comes to comparison eh? between a fresh grad and someone with experience for the same post?
then what the hell is the experience u gained for if a fresh grad can do just as well and for a lower pay?
a confident optimistic fresh grad can carry oneself better and better sell oneself in the interview than another fresh grad who is a pessimists (unless you are dam good in your words and able to sell something that is black as white)
i am not goin to argue with you abt what self confidence is....you seem to have too much of that cause you think that you are almighty just because you are working in sg.
QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 16 2012, 08:06 PM)
No. Once you're in the company it's up to you how you create value to the company to differentiate yourself from the other foreign talents and Singaporeans. If you can't do that, might as well go home. Entry level jobs are worth it only (if you can get them in the first place) it is a proven MNC with a decent pay to boot. Which means no S$2.5k monkey business. All others don't help you in anyway. Might as well go back to Malaysia and gain the relevant exp with the relevant MNC since its easier to get in.
On the last part yes they will try to squirm their way with all sorts of excuses to lower your pay. But their are also not stupid. They know its difficult to find people with the right experience to get the job done especially in my field i.e. financial sector. Just stand firm. I guarantee you they will still give you what you ask for if they find you can offer them that value.
yea, so what is the harm in creating value in SG first?
the experience you gain is DEFINITELY relevant to the company.
unless you were hired to just sit around and wait for time to pass.
i agree, there are times you have to stand firm, never lower your own market value too much.
study what is the pay range for the level of job you are doing.
if 2.5k is the market rate for a fresh grad...where are you lowering your own market value?
QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 16 2012, 08:06 PM)
If you can have the need and wants in Malaysia but you cannot get them in SG, why bother comming to SG in the first place? If you come to SG just to experience hardship then why don't you go to Africa instead?
u really should try being a politician back home....they earn big bux.
they enjoy comparing with extreme cases to show that the way do it is the best if it is not the only way.
yea, u can have all the need and wants back home.
go ahead, stay there...then there will come a time when u find out that "oh shyt, i am stuck because i have this commitment and that commitment and many more"
ask your friends back home to join you here and see what is the replies.
QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 16 2012, 08:06 PM)
Time is more important than money. Every year that you lose, you can't get it back. Rather than wallowing in some SME company in SG with not much prospects who pays you less than S$2.5k suffering your way in the process, might as well live life to the fullest back home in Malaysia. Afterall you only get to be 23 once in a lifetime and you certianly don't want to reminisce back when you're my age thinking about the tought time you had in SG.
This advise is the ultimate career killer. Beleive it or not, your first job will determine where you will be for the rest of your life.
If you start your career in some kuching-kurap SME company in SG, the chances of you going on to work in an MNC is very slim. (not to say it dosen't happen but the chances are rare indeed). You will wallow for some time in those kinda places wasting your life as a result.
time is definitely more important than money
so while u wait for your ideal job in sg...how many years do you think you have to waste during the wait?
everyone also wishes to work in MNC...then who is there to work in the SME?
every job has it values...working in MNC, you learn of procedures and specialize...working in SME, lesser procedures, you learn on a wider scope.
ur first job will never be your last, so i disagree with the first job determines where you will be for the rest of your life.
if u are that particular, then continue applying even after u start your first job, at least you are here instead of back home which a lot of employers desire.
i had frens who changed job 5 times after grad when some are still struggling to get one.
u choose how to live your life.
if u want to live a pampered lifestyle, then by all means, stay back home...even better if u can just lie down doing nothing and still able to get food in your stomach
then soon...when u do finally arrive in sg, you can really blend in perfectly with those spoilt younger generation singaporeans who have been pampered their whole lives and complain.
probably like what r1v3r mentioned...TOTALLY different family values
i prefer not to continue being a burden for my family.
if having meals with your family is a point to stay back, then you should never leave for SG...well, not to curse, until your parents have left for a better place.
yes, my parents definitely would wish i could have my meals with them every single time (i go back home even lesser), but i chose to have them save the amount of money to feed 1 extra mouth on me just because i want to have both my wants and my needs and keep it for buying what they want instead.
they have raised me long enough and it is time they enjoy life.