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PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V5, Comparison and Advice

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post Jun 6 2013, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 6 2013, 10:08 AM)
NO

no blue thunders...

get the edifier m3400 if you got 200
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oh, will take consideration, yay i also thinking trying different model tongue.gif

QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 6 2013, 10:08 AM)
NO

no blue thunders...

get the edifier m3400 if you got 200
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Sifu, any review of you for this speakers?
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post Jun 6 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 6 2013, 11:10 AM)
review? nope

but comments yes

It's just a standard bass speaker for RM200

you can say for RM200 Edifier E3100 and M3400 is the best

M3400 has a very gentle sound with good bass in it when you put them on low volume
but it goes real wild when you max it out~
The bass... though had a cheap sound... is actually accurate and powerful for the price paid. Not to forget it hits deep too.
Though the M3400 isn't as good as my Altec Lansing ATP3 in bass force... the M3400 is definitely more natural sounding compared to my ATP3

you can say it sounds smooth like butter icon_rolleyes.gif
the E3100 is wild though... wild beast~
wild bass
warmest midranges
hottest sounding trebles (might hurt ears but you can adjust its volume)
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hmm, I like sweet vocal with jumping climax and massive sound stage
Whitney Houston's live performances - She was so dynamic in performing back in the days, over the max standard

and Some of vocal famous tracks I love so much:
李娜 Li Na / 韩红 - Tibetan Plateau (青藏高原)
Vitas
Adele
蔡琴 Tsai Chin
Inva Mula - Il dolce suono + The Diva Dance
Ofra Haza - Im Nin'Alu

For bass tracks, I like Lady Gaga:
Telephone
Bad Romance
Poker Face

and many famous tracks, etc...

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post Jun 6 2013, 02:42 PM

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Any IT shops nearby KLCC where I can grab speakers? blink.gif

QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 6 2013, 03:19 PM)
R501 for more bass
C3 for quality bass
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Sifu may I know where is the volume control for M3400? rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 6 2013, 10:27 PM

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Just now go test some cheap speakers, sweat.gif those really cannot be compared to Swans M200MKII & M50W, some of the models that are OK:

Edifier C3 (This one out of my cheap budget doh.gif)
Edifier M3400 (This one they said no produce jor, zzz then y put there? sweat.gif)
Blue Thunder I (This one still sell like hot cake rolleyes.gif)

Eventually I still bought a BLUE THUNDER, no choice icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jun 7 2013, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(mR.hyDE @ Jun 7 2013, 12:37 AM)
love it ! classic one haha !
Emilie Claire Barlow - Breaking Up Is Hard To Do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oENrUcQfwSg
enjoy
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Wanna test new age yay? Test this track by S.E.N.S

Palace Memory

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jun 6 2013, 09:40 PM)
For music, nothing beats the Swan M200 Mark II at that price range. It blows the M50W to smithereens. I know because I tested both before brows.gif
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When begin I was begin listening M200MKII, I kinda lost when those punchy bass is not found in this model, but as time goes by I eventually understand the sweetness of M200MKII lies within soothing, fine controlled, massive soundstage instead of powerful bass which can be hurt to our ears, indeed I purposely chop off bass using equalizer, realize that we just need a small portion of bass in most music listening to relax rclxms.gif

BTW, what's your setup on M200MKII? I simply output from my HTC Desire HD with bass reduce only rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jun 6 2013, 09:38 PM)
hello all.

currently eyeing at H&K Soundsticks iii. but the wireless version price is a little too high.

found Aego M and Swan M50W also. Any recommendation/opinion on these 3?

i'm more on vocal and bright kind of music. not a bass head.

-H&K SoundSticks iii
- AE Aego M
- Swan M50W
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Advice for Swan M50W, this model got tight bass, but cannot fully utilized (I mean the subwoofer amount button), btw heat generated is quite hot, and some percentage of units got power problem, I just have mine down within 1 month doh.gif , they said fuse got problem
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post Jun 7 2013, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(mR.hyDE @ Jun 7 2013, 05:08 PM)
intoxicated ! Anymore ?

without bass ->relax
with bass ->refresh
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haha...such a word u use INTOXICATED,

what you want more? rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 7 2013, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 7 2013, 06:15 PM)
New Age enthusiast? Try "The Songs Of Distant Earth" by Mike Oldfield.... brows.gif


Or something with more pace like (from already famous "Unearthed" album) E.S Posthumus "Antissa" ...  cool.gif


Or something with thumping bass like (from already famous "Unearthed" album) E.S Posthumus "Pompeii" ... icon_rolleyes.gif

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haha...kinda lost in the UNIVERSE to listen those tracks blink.gif need some rhythm to bring me back to Earth, then to hell then to heaven and finally back to myself rolleyes.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Gzpt_6boc

Try this drum punches + percussion + flute chant track thumbup.gif
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post Jun 7 2013, 11:06 PM

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what's the SQ of Harmon Kardon sticks compare to C3? rclxms.gif
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post Jun 17 2013, 09:45 AM

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Agree to test on spot.

But in practical it's kinda awkward to do all those listening setup though, especially when there are customers there. I suggest to pick few best source tracks to test, especially those not too subjective to yourself (maybe you hear it too often, and become no feel ady).


I personally own 2 HiVi Swans, i.e. M50W and M200MKII, generally they sound good and the main thing is tight control, everything under almost full control with almost distortion free.

After few months listening of M200MKII, I found that I do not prefer the bass and treble layer knobs on the speakers, indeed I turn it to zero, instead I tweak using player equalizer, set it to soft treble, sound clean and less messy to me, once again I have to say you will be impress with the tight control and sweet soundstage of M200MKII.

For the gaming/movie speakers M50W, I send it for repair doh.gif , this model got bit problem in power and generating a lot of heat, but in terms of bass layer (I mean color bass, those bass layers you intentionally added to make more punchies to your tracks), it's strong. My advice is off this speakers if not in use.
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post Jun 17 2013, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jun 17 2013, 12:25 PM)
well, mayb i am jz lucky o mayb i m jz too free XD (well, i m a coll student so my time is not bound by those office working hour, can always head over anywhere whn i m free ^^) well, if ur DAC is up to the task and the speaker is choosen according to ur taste, there is no use at all for the treble n bass or even eq in the pc ^^ last time b4 i gt a DAC for my C3, i always set 4 for treble 3 for bass. after getting a DAC for it, the setting is 0 for treble and -3 for bass. it's negative for the bass because the subwoofer of C3 is overwhelming when listening to song ^^
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icon_rolleyes.gif yay, pleasant bass signature, some bass layers just bounce back and just woom woom woom, and not as solid when generated for listen sweat.gif
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post Jun 17 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jun 17 2013, 12:34 PM)
err, if u got the DAC, speaker position and speaker isolation right. there won't be any woom woom woom of bass. jz tat for 2.1 speaker setup like C3 u will feel that the quality is unbalanced. the subwoofer is way better than the satellites. and u jz hav to turn down the bass of C3 when listening to music to get bac the suppose feel of the song. and for my setup of C3, i like negative 3 for the bass when listening to song ^^
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-3 is because your tracks too much bass? Or the song genre? Or C3 bass initially is too strong and cannot be up again? This same happen to HiVi Swans M50W, the subwoofer gain volume knob cannot be abused.
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post Jun 17 2013, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jun 17 2013, 12:47 PM)
can said that the bass is initially too strong because in 2.1 speaker most of ur money actually go into the subwoofer. u will know this if u try some over grade DAC for these 2.1 speaker. i tried a 3k DAC with the C3, the bass is so solid and accurate but the satellites already started to crack like unable to produce those high pitch and so. i tried on altec langsing 4121 also, and altec satellites is way worst...

but if u read my post earlier b4 i get a DAC and speaker isolation, i used 4 for treble and 3 for bass. only after i get a DAC and speaker isolation, i set 0 for treble and negative 3 for bass. speaker isolation is very important. if u r free, u can go over to my blog and hear those recording out urself. all the recording regarding C3 in my blog is made by setting up bass to negative 3, treble 0 and equalizer off in the music player. do tell me ur feeling after listening to those recording. and do listen to the recording b4 n after setting up speaker isolation and u will be amazed by how much something below rm10 can improve ur audio quality.
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Speakers isolation seems too complicated to me tongue.gif


BTW, I try playing music using the foobar and wasapi, but din find any difference in noise/hiss reduce in live performance, this is it?
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post Jun 17 2013, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jun 17 2013, 01:52 PM)
it is to reduce the noise produced by the pc transfer, if ur live recording is bad then definitely it won't do anything to it. as i said all these stuffs is to make ur stuffs to reproduce the sound as how it is recorded but not to smoothen it or other way around. anyway, the foobar is to use kernel streaming while the reclock is to use wasapi-exclusive. and make sure ur DAC support these features
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If like this, that could be my cheap mini USB DAC not support those features, I prefer mostly live tracks, they resemble what music true form is, sadly most best live performance result in bad recording, which DACs you use support those features?

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 17 2013, 04:14 PM)
For music and movies the ASUS would fare better, but for gaming then Creative soundcards holds an edge... hmm.gif

Some soundcards are like that, requiring extra power (such as the EMU ones). tongue.gif

Depends on the file itself. If the source of the noise is from the compression format itself (e.g. low bitrate MP3, bad encoder/compressor, etc), then usually little can be done. If the source of the noise is from the recording itself then you could try "cleaning" up the audio by noise reduction (ie. removing/reducing the hiss) and perform re-emphasis of certain frequencies (ie. to bring out the voices) using an audio processing software. Do note that hiss removal may result in some reduction of high frequency details (ie. the trebles). Usually for this method, the source file should be preferably lossless type with higher samplerates (like 96kHz or 192kHz), since lossy compression types (such as MP3) would have already reduce the recoverable subtle details from the audio track plus introduce some sideband frequencies (kind of "aliasing" noise). icon_rolleyes.gif
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ya, I do remember an illustration by somebody said that it's like something mix in flour with water and your cooking ingredients, to remove some ingredients from a piece of baked cake, kinda impossible/unpractical to do rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 18 2013, 12:11 AM)
Thanks Lex,

I'm going to try replacing Realtek 887 built in sound card and try with ASUS DG 5.1 PCI. See how it fares.

Somehow I wish there is a sound card works all 3 criteria perfectly.
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I got a feeling the 5.1 is something you should not get into, just my direct sense, sound too decorative to me rolleyes.gif

Or better read more reviews, if not regret doh.gif
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post Jun 19 2013, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jun 19 2013, 02:56 PM)
errr nvm.... Actually i already eliminate possibility to get 2.1 speaker. Instead now I left with 2 options. HiVi Swan M200Markii and Edifier R2800. I listen the M200Markii sound produced already. But I need to listen what is the sound quality for Edifier R2800 which this model is almost unreachable in Singapore. ( of course maybe for JB as well ). I need some review comparing between M200Mark ii and Edifier R2800....
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hmm, audiophile always said one thing do one type of stuff, true I think.

Coz from my experience with M200MKII, it is the most sweetest speakers I have ever heard, it is being rated as a mini 2.0 Hi-Fi system, but if you listen back to 2.1 then you found that some bass layers are gone, and then you will be struggle. My suggestion is you buy 1 set 2.0 and keep your 2.1 set.

The M200MKII is easy setup, plug n play, smooth, sweet, relax sound, looks classy (wood feel) and most bass layers still can be pumped out in massive sound stage, just some electronic bass and drum punches it may not work that good, but think of that also not much tracks if you are not listening those dj tracks.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jun 19 2013, 05:24 PM)
Good advice. This seems like resolve my trouble. I will proceed to get the M200MKII. I saw the price in Singapore. Its around $388.... After convert is around RM900+  shocking.gif .

Plan to get this by ordering online and delivery. There are few vendor here. Anyone can suggest which vendor I should go through? Thanks!!!!
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not that expensive eh...You go get from Heavy arm game store, Subang Jaya, only RM729 something thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jun 19 2013, 06:52 PM)
He has the online ordering right in Lowyat forum?
Yeah... Took a while.... Cause usually when i buy things. I need to make sure i do enough research. haha. Sure no problem, will let u know the soonest. I might have problem positioning though. But i know i can figure this out somewhere. I will need to get DAC though. Any cheap DAC recommend??? notworthy.gif
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yay, i think it's here https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2621430/all
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post Jun 19 2013, 10:25 PM

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I am sick of my Bllue Thunder I SQ sweat.gif , my Swans M50W not yet done repair zzz doh.gif

You all got use of the Bose 5 2.1?
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QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 19 2013, 11:38 PM)
do you mean companion 5?

if yes...

I can say the C5 is like... a joke~
massively deep V shaped sound only trebles and bass present... no mids~

it's great for close range but it get's piercingly annoying trebles at times
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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jun 20 2013, 08:21 AM)
tested bose b4 and their SQ is quite bad for me. then google around and see why bose is so highly regard. then found tis answer:
Bose main design is to let u hear the sound coming from everywhere. So it's totally different sound from normal hifi sound  rclxub.gif
if under RM100, go for Edifier M1360. U won't find deep bass or solid bass cause tat subwoofer is kinda weak. But the overall presentation is nice at mid volume. But if u turn the volume to MAX, thn everything is falling apart.

If u want something that hav deep bass and can use for years, get something around RM200.
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Seem like this is not real good speakers. hmm Another speakers I have rarely heard review here is Klipsch Promedia 2.1, it's high rated and high price too hmm.gif

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