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PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V5, Comparison and Advice

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wim1983
post Apr 19 2013, 01:49 PM

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Hi All, I am a Sonic Gear Blue Thunder 1 owner, been using it for almost 10 years, I think it worth add to the buget RM200 list. Between, I have a Senheider HD598, but it does not sound good when plug in to onboard soundcard, I am wondering in future if I want to upgrade to Edifier C3, will the sound be better for my HD598? Anybody have same headphone as mine? Or a comparison between Blue Thunder 1 vs Edifier C3? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 19 2013, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 19 2013, 06:45 PM)
E30 costs RM990 on most stores I see though
C3 will never sound any close to Sennheiser HD598 lol
my goodness... go get a new soundcard if you want upgrade... your Sennheiser HD598 can do so much better with a good soundcard.
Reason why I usually recommend C3 over S330D and R501 is that C3 is a simple and good system to go with

the S330D sounds too bright for average users... and the bass is messy at times... the mids and vocals are very artificial sounding

The R501 is good in many ways but it's a 5.1 system and many users do not know how to set it up.
I usually recommends R501 and use them as a 2.1 setup while keeping the extra 3 satellites as a spare.
Plus the only way to adjust volume is by a remote control... lost that and you lose your entire speaker
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I got it, so I just need to buy a good soundcard then? But I worry this soundcard not working on HD598 and Blue Thunder 1, then GG shocking.gif
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post Apr 19 2013, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 19 2013, 09:42 PM)
umm I don't that would happen lol
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Oh great, what soundcard should I buy?
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post Apr 20 2013, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 19 2013, 10:56 PM)
i don't know much about soundcards but... DAC I know a few

UD100 is good
I'm using T-Muso PCM2704

also good stuff~
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Oh great, I see a lowyat post on sale for this, is the USB DAC working on smartphone, e.g. HTC Desire HD?

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post Apr 24 2013, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 24 2013, 07:15 PM)
I just auditioned the Hivi M200 Mk II today and it was awesome. Definitely entry level hifi quality there. Vocals are really good, clear, crip and sounds "big" like those hi fi sets which costs RM2-3k above. Dynamic range or separation you might call it is soooo much better than the M50W which sounds "small" and muffled and lacking clarity. If you don't tell me that it's RM709, I would really think it's some RM2k+ HI FI set with a dedicated amplifier and DAC (talking about M200 Mk II)

The Edifier Multimedia range (S330D,C3,S530D,S730D) or Corsair SP2500 can pergi buang sampah icon_idea.gif

Will try to go there to cuba cuba again, have to pujuk sifu Enigmatic to come along first brows.gif
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hehe, I am an M200MKII owner, yup the sound stage, stability, clearness all are better than most multimedia PC speakers in the market, but if you play heavily techno/DJ/rock music, bear in mind the bass is not punchy enough though, e.g. I am not satisfy with this track by Flying Steps called "We Are Electric" (WoDotA main theme), and also some tracks where bass in the background play an important role, but then the speakers work well in some bassy range environment, and when it works the area wider, once again better than most "mini" PC speakers out there, I mean it. One thing to notice also, it is perfectly good for vocals, no matter male or female, instrumental, new age, most disco songs, of course classic track include violin, piano (killer), percussion+string, perhaps drum (not all drums punch suit)

Finally, if listen to some messy poor recording live track, this speakers vary differently, as you can figure out, if sound stage larger, it will expose more flaw in live music recording. In my mind live music is what music true form is, it is what it is, bear in mind no matter how good the speakers, the true delicious ingredient still lies within the music, not how good speakers itself (I am an almost 10 years Sonic Gear Blue Thunder I owner (cheap speakers cost within 200), it still play well, enjoy MUSIC!)
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post May 7 2013, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ May 2 2013, 05:14 PM)
Hey guys..I am a bit dilemma.Not sure wanna get a sound card + Edifier DA5000 PRO or just a good 2.1 speakers without sound card.If I take the first option...it would over my budget by 1k  sweat.gif But for long term wise it should be worthy.Another issue is that my room is not that big (not living room) so not sure how 5.1 speakers would perform hmm.gif

If 2.1 speakers,what would u guys recommend?Budget around 200-300 laugh.gif For all round purpose, like movies,musics and games tongue.gif Need sound card anot?
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I just bought HiVi Swans M50W for MYR702, I think u can skip the sound card and buy this set, test audition is available at heavyarm gaming store, subang jaya thumbup.gif
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post May 8 2013, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ May 7 2013, 06:00 PM)
Wow RM702? That's quite expensive sweat.gif Without sound card would it project the sound properly?
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with M50W, just an onboard sound card will blow you away biggrin.gif , coz the sub ady built-in a lot circuit boards tongue.gif

with a decent sound card, I don't think u hear much difference.

Also, audiophile always claim loseless audio files like flac/ape play better than mp3, that's bullshit to me, with today technology it's not the same, an mp3 can perform on par with a flac/ape file, definitely, it depend how you encode a file and how you get the original audio file, persoanally I recommend this software called Audacity, I use it to encode VBR MP3 with best quality, always work like a charm for me, when listen and compare, I hear no difference, MP3 works for most situation like playing your musics in your card, there is a huge space save for your USB drive too rclxms.gif . Of course if possible I also keep a copy of loseless audio track, I do both way tongue.gif

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post May 8 2013, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(penmarker @ May 8 2013, 12:23 PM)
What is your audio setup?
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Speakers:
Sonic Gear Blue Thunder I (this one still rocking for rather mid sound stage with minor distortion)

Swans HiVi M200MKII (so far the best sound stage and sound quality for me, but still some bass effect not working good enough, barely can hear any distortion)

Swans HiVi M50W (overall great balance, great bass with the sub but can't be turn to high, mid/high not as great as M200MKII but just great enough, barely any distortion too)

Headphones:
AKG K420 (entry level headphones, great in overall, sound messy if you compare to really good headphones with great sound isolation & sound stage)

Sennheiser PX 100-II (great in comfort, and overall sound quality, don't expect punchy bass from this headphones though)

Sennheiser HD 598 (so far the best headphones for me, with greatest comfort, sound stage, and sound quality. If pair with a cheap USB DAC, will compensate the lack of bass, i bought one from here https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2265846/all, it's cheap only MYR85 include postage)

Audio card/USB DAC:
Onboard REALTEK sound card
T-Muso PCM2704 USB DAC

BTW, My setup got a lot of "WOOD" color, absolutely love this classy color biggrin.gif

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post May 8 2013, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ May 8 2013, 12:29 PM)
audio stuffs usually never justify the cost of purchase shakehead.gif
got budget, buy it. over budget, ignore it.
amplifier is used for headphone and passive speaker.
active speaker (got power cord) cannot use amp becos inside already got amp rclxub.gif
just saying onboard sound has improved over time.
usually pc speaker have simple processing only, like crossover, bass /treble equalizer. the rest of job belongs to sound card.
lossless do have advantage when u play loud enough, becos the dyamic range is sustained from original rip.
otherwise, mp3 is preffered for casual listening wink.gif
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sifu, correct me if i am wrong, so loseless format can play louder with little/without distortion? Correct?
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post May 12 2013, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 12 2013, 01:25 AM)
I actually disagree on this.
A cheap Xonar DGX does even more justice to the M50w than what it already has.

Pair it with a TiHD or a Essence STX and you'll really fill that mid and highs gap the M50w lacks in comparison to the M200MKII. A soundcard still matters — period.
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hmm, have to poison meh, throw a lot money inside ady shocking.gif , how much the Essence STX? biggrin.gif
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post May 13 2013, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 12 2013, 07:57 PM)
Not poisoning, thing is with audio is that the entire "chain" needs to be complete. So do yourself a favor get a soundcard, like I said a Xonar DGX will do wonders for your M50w and it only costs RM150.
You can get a STX for about RM500 or you can try and hunt one in the garage sale for a second hand unit.
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Believe me, there will be little or no difference, even you change the sound card, as long as you use good quality (or original quality) track, there won't be any noticeable difference, trust me, if not you gona trap forever in wasting money sweat.gif
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post May 14 2013, 08:19 AM

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lol with today technology there wont be any difference lah, it's just a trap for you all to spend more, the difference is the speakers itself only, trust me, if you say your onboard soundcard is crap, haha, that's must be ancient motherboard, even with if you would like to buy, buy standard one enough, dun spend too much, and one thing when I mention sound quality, I just don't mean if it's in FLAC/APE/WAV then mean good quality, no way, this is so blind, use your ears to judge, you will believe in some time, definitely, no offence guys, I just giving some "beneficial" opinions biggrin.gif

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post May 14 2013, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(nohal @ May 11 2013, 01:38 PM)
Recommendation RM150< below ( yes, more into headphones, sometimes wanna use speaker. biggrin.gif )

2/3 Clarity + 1/3 Bass, listening to classical , world music, dream theater. Sound that, a lot of instruments, but bass to taste. no need super thump bass. biggrin.gif

First post guide was awhile ago. So need latest bits. biggrin.gif
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Try Blue Thunder I, just fit your budge, and it works incredibly good rclxms.gif
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post May 14 2013, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ May 14 2013, 12:40 PM)
blue thunder is crap
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No lah rolleyes.gif , believe me it run freaking good with all my mp3/ape/flac/wav track, but you dun abuse the bass/treble, no speaker can abuse those 2 buttons like rape. And also the sound stage not as good as real hifi speaker, but for small to medium room it still rocking good, dun tell me you put volume at speaker to max and computer at max and tell me the sound is distorting, haha no point for such a cheap speaker that perform ady so well, and it's so light, and I have used it for 10 years, can you believe it, almost day day 24 hours let it open power without off, lol...just adjust treble/bass to desire level, then DONT TOUCH IT, you are good to go biggrin.gif
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post May 14 2013, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ May 14 2013, 06:09 PM)
nah... it's more like I feel the speaker is limited... it's trying to create huge bass when it's too small to create one.
the flapping sound of the speaker cone is what stops me from getting it

somehow the Edifier E3100 had harder hitting bass than Blue Thunder I

and that's why I chose E3100 over Blue Thunder I because there is potential in it
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In your case, you are basshead, the guy who need recommend want a below RM150 budget speaker, he ady said no need superthunder bass mah laugh.gif

hmm wonder y so many ppl like so much bass, it causing my head hurt, plus it is an added effect for some music tracks, not the original taste of music, guess just difference taste, better hear yourself for judgement no better no worser rolleyes.gif

btw LADY GAGA tracks very uptempo for testing bass rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 5 2013, 08:50 PM

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Guys bad news, my lovely M50W die!!!, I just bought 1 month sth, hmm durability problem of this model, zzz now no speakers to listen, claim waranty/repair dunno take how long zzz sad.gif
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post Jun 5 2013, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 6 2013, 12:01 AM)
Up to your dsecision anyway. If you feel like changing speakers then go ahead... tongue.gif

Those 2.0 studio grade speakers are not designed for lots of bass. Just for purity of sound. wink.gif

Always claim warranty while still valid. Could be anywhere from a week to few months, unless the local distributor decides to exchange a brand new unit for the faulty one. Of course you can always berate the seller for such a short-lived unit and quality issues (until he relents for 1-to-1 exchange)... icon_rolleyes.gif
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I just worry in future I have to send for repair again, very troublesome ah...zzz shakehead.gif
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post Jun 6 2013, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 6 2013, 01:22 AM)
it's definitely better to send back than buying a new pair anyway so do it icon_rolleyes.gif
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sad, I think i gona buy a small cheap speakers to tahan first, dunno how long it takes for the M50W repair rolleyes.gif

You all sifus got any speakers recommendation that it is "small" "cheap" but sound "OK thumbup.gif "?
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post Jun 6 2013, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 6 2013, 01:55 AM)
willing to pay how much?
if you really want cheapo stuff just get some USB speakers to tahan lol

then when the speakers are back, the impact would be strong and your ears will ooze with quality~~~ whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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USB speakers, hmm will look for some see how, thanks notworthy.gif

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post Jun 6 2013, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 6 2013, 02:47 AM)
Small and cheap? What's the budget range?  unsure.gif

Really going down that low? Most USB speakers sounds awfully underwhelming (ie. underpowered, lack of bass, short of treble extension, muddy mids, noisy, etc). tongue.gif
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hmm, budget should be within 200.

Yay, I heard of USB speakers lack of power of course, maybe I going to buy back the Blue Thunder I as I have gave my old one to my bro


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