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Ramjade
post Aug 2 2017, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Properlog @ Aug 2 2017, 11:12 PM)
Yup, SGD VS MYR is quite high at the moment, i wont be enter SREIT market if i hold MYR now. Both currency and SREIT price are high enough.
I had place at 0.875 for cache. thumbup.gif Normally we should quote 0.01 lower than the market price or on par with market price?
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A little something I wrote. May be helpful to you
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=85162769

Depends. Sometimes you just need to accept market price. If I had accept market price, would have net mapletree GCC (mid 7% yield), UMS (mid 6% yield), Hotung (high 9% yield) sad.gif
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post Aug 2 2017, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Properlog @ Aug 2 2017, 11:30 PM)
Thanks, Bro. Actually i have follow up this thread quite sometime, it is really helpful for beginner like me, and i do read your previous post as well biggrin.gif .
Will try to absorb it and read again. Normally industrial reit dividend will be higher than others? What do you think about RHT Health Trust?
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Yes. From what I read that's because their lease is shorter so we are being "compensated" for the short lease. Never look at RHT. I only focus on reit which after reading from blogs are "winners".
Ramjade
post Aug 3 2017, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Aug 3 2017, 09:26 AM)
bro what is the time period fot DBS to have fluctuate 200% ? your comparison is inrelevant.

we are talking reit here.

in reality, the difference maybe 0.5% or 1% difference in dividend. take Aims for example why did it drop? becsuse DPU drop. then reduce your return even lower price no?
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That price was during 2008 incidence. As cherroy mentioned, most likely once in a lifetime event.

But SGD14 was real. Before trump won election, DBS was hovering at SGD14+. So if you had bought DBS at SGD14+, the dividend buying that time vs buying now is a lot of difference.

If we want dividends, reits or stocks same concept. Lower price, higher dividend. Eg. Those who got aims at 1.2x vs those that got at 1.4x, even though DPU reduce, those who buy at 1.2x have a "buffer" vs those who bought at 1.4x.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 3 2017, 10:25 AM)
During 2008 crisis, we were talking about melt down of financial market, especially for banking stocks.

There were risk associated of potential banks and reit went burst across, due to Lehman Bro.
Interbank market was freezing and banks had liquidity problem across the globe.

So it was one of unprecedented event, and once in lifetime event, so it is difficult to use 2008 price as comparison for today.

That time, if bought the wrong stocks, we were talking about potential loss of 50 to 90%, that's why there was fear and people dumping stocks at that time.
Nobody talked about dividend yield at that time, but concern whether banks, reits can survive or not.
There were reits especially in US, went burst during that time, due to inability to refinance the debt due.
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Agreed. Wish it will happen again.
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post Aug 3 2017, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Aug 3 2017, 11:49 AM)
of course it was real, did you dump everything you had in? if.no, why not?

my point is if he sees value and price is right to him, he should buy. on theory anyone also know buy low sell high but when aims was dropping below 1.2x, did you not have doubt it will go down further?

it is always easy to look at history and say should have, I wait for this price again. if 5 yrs down the road Aims never drop below 1.43, his cash sit idle?
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My brokerage was opened only at around end of January. Miss the moment. But when was waiting for brokerage (nov-dec time), s-reits tank. Dump in one lump sum into Manulife Asia Pacific reit fund (is a UT with 50% holdings in SG) as I have no other alternative for S-reit, that was my only option available. One may argue that UT does not count. On the contrary, they do count as they are still a basket of stocks and fund manager cannot hold 100% cash.

I did that with Singtel last time. Price went lower. Did not continue to catch cause discount wasn't attractive for me to buy (additional 4% discount). Had it drop another 10% (instead of only 4%). would have snapped it up.

5 years time, aims may not drop, but let me say this:
1) aims properties are all in SG. So somehow they are connected to SG economy. They cannot run away if SG economy tank, aims will have to tank too.
2) they are industrial reit and industrial reit are the first to suffer when economy tank. They are not like First Reit/Parkway which own healthcare properties which during good or bad times, people will still go to them.

So from point 1) & 2), still think aims cannot tank? tongue.gif If really cannot tank, look elsewhere loh. Other counter, other market. Even if cannot tank, my invested s-reits are generating dividend hence my money stock will bertambah. It's not like there's no where to park. I already shared 3 places to park before this.

If one cannot find good counters to buy, can always "hire" people to buy for you (fund manager). This is something I learned from a guy in FSM thread. Sometimes, you need to pay people when you cannot do it. smile.gif
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post Aug 3 2017, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 3 2017, 12:41 PM)
Your arguments are sound, bro,....  thumbsup.gif

Yes, I bought back in 2008/9,... in fact,... many of those ctrs are still in my hands today,... and they have appreciated a lot of prices, and for the ctrs which have run till the end of the line already, I have collected a lot of dividends already..

I'll talk abt my losses too,.. let me think,...I think not that much, but I had to throw away MIIF, CitySpring (today, its KIT), Babcock and Brown, DBS, UOB and SIA... but not that much losses-lar,...

I had to study hard, though, and guessed hard,....

Well,... there is another thing, I guessed if you have enough $$$$, you dared to take risks-lar,... otherwise, I think you'd rather try to save your bullets,...

Another thing is,... I always say this,... if wished to do something, must move,.. don't wait here and wait there,... then things will never get moving,... I also waited at times, and I discovered later-on that I should have moved earlier,... there is ONLY One time when we should wait,... but this quality is highly individualised,...
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While we are on the topic of moving, I noticed that Malaysia have tax treaty with Canada which lowers with holding tax to 15%. Since you invest in Canada, would like to ask your expertise:
1) do we need to fill canada tax to be entitle to be entitle for only 15% with holding tax?
2) what broker do you recommend?
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post Aug 3 2017, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Aug 3 2017, 01:18 PM)
Also once you take a position, you can decide to average down or average up. Something I learn from you all here.

I am still a beginner too compared to the veterans here, sometimes buy also scare but come to think of it for REIT you look for dividend. As long as you dont sell, the market price doesn't really affect you. it is just like you stay in a one million house but you cannot sell it, just bragging rights or paper gain.
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That's right. That's why during bad times, reits must still payout their earnings (as mandated by law). So even if dividend is reduce, money still come in. The question is how much is the cut tongue.gif
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post Aug 3 2017, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 3 2017, 01:51 PM)
Bro,... a totally different ballgame there,... Australia first,... then we talk abt WTH for Canada,...

But,.. why suddenly keen on Canada ??
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1. Their yield is not bad
2. With holding tax of 15% vs 30% for AU (which means we get more money and no need to give the local govt more money). Why should I pay 30% tax vs Canada taxa at 15%?
3. Bigger selection than ASX
4. Canada brokerage does not have dividend fees/maintenance fees
5. AU is out of bounds for me unless I travel down (there is an exception where I can open an account with AUD10k) while Canada brokerage can be open online/mail.

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post Aug 3 2017, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Aug 3 2017, 03:06 PM)
what you have in mind?

Some already XD for July / Aug

im considering Lippo & AGT
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Aims (if can catch at 1.35 below), First reit (if can catch at 1.32), Mapletree china (if can catch at 0.9x-1)

QUOTE(elea88 @ Aug 3 2017, 03:07 PM)
i just see everyday.. which one is SUPER RED. then will just click buy..
Even with REITS one need to be carefull.. SABANA REIT is a lesson to be learned.

Lippo results coming soon. if u think will be good can add..

AGT still waiting.. coz div still far away.
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AGT if fall to 0.67 grab already. No need to wait hit 0.65

QUOTE(elea88 @ Aug 3 2017, 03:17 PM)
i panic sold off some FIRST REIT i think some time last year when they announce want delist and relist in INDON or something like that.. so, i hv not added FIRST or LIPPO after that.

Like RAMJADE says.. just stick to the 4 KINGs.. the MAPLE family.
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Temasek owns mapletree which owns the four reits. thumbup.gif Which they open up their student accommodation reit to public instead of for private investors. You cannot go wrong with mapletree. That's why feel want to consolidate my CMT + FCpT > MCT
Ascendas is also supported by temasek (but yield too low and not attractive for me)
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post Aug 3 2017, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Aug 3 2017, 10:59 PM)
U got to be kidding us.

One moment u keen in Aus and one flip, you were talking abt Canada.

Reallu salute you, bro.

Investment requires step by step. Not a 360 degree in just 1-2 mths time.

Have u get a job alrdy ? Can consider drive Grab to earn passive income
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Actually I have long considered Canada after finding out with holding tax is only 15%. If I can get higher returns from Canada why not? Never ever underestimate the power of with holding taxes...

Reason not keen on AU
1) no bank account, no AU address, cannot open (can open but need to give them AUD10k).
2) 30% tax. If like that better I choose US. Same 30% tax. Wider choices (FANG etc).

Like I said, if there's nothing available on sale, other market might have something. So keep your eyes open. Don't just depend on 2 market. Find a country without inheritance tax. whistling.gif
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post Aug 4 2017, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 4 2017, 10:42 AM)
biggrin.gif ...

Jumping here and there,... for myself, I'd stabilise myself with a good job first,... dangerous plans my bro has,....

I dare not even comment too much about what holdings everywhere here,...
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Is not about jumping here and there. As I said, if there's no deal (cheap stuff to buy in SG), I am perfectly fine to buy other place. No point letting cash rot. Learn this from the FSM forum. If one place not a good place, look at other places.

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 4 2017, 10:51 AM)
execution of estate plans may kill the assets' - ie. cost to execute in several countries... vs assets' value in those countries..
IMHO, look-loom / knowing is ok
BUT if executing & learning SEVERAL different stuff at the same time.. may "chow for yup moh" (mixed up until kaboom)

my masters (books) say best to master 1 area/item & structured/systemize liao
THEN
move on to another new area
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before as the areas may be so convoluted & nuances missed out can cause kaboom

No absolute right/wrong ya - iKuli just thinking out loud  notworthy.gif
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Agreed. SG will be my main core portfolio. Easy to understand. One step at a time but always keeping my options open.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 4 2017, 10:53 AM)
I think this forum has influenced him too much,... he is now thinking of wishing to invest only, and not realising that this lifestyle can only take place if he has sufficient bullets in his pocket,... if he has not made the bullets yet, it is pointless,...

Or perhaps, he has a big sponsor behind him ?? Who knows, maybe no need to work, able to convince his parents that he can double their money easily after learning from this forum and from net materials,... he got his hands on all the savings from the folks,...

Still, he may burn everything away with a wisp, OR,... he may be over-careful and invest only in very-low returns instruments for the safety,...with which the returns may not be enough to sustain a lifestyle long term, and for retirement of his parents. That is why he keeps waiting. ...

This forum is not all necessarily healthy,...
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No la. No big sponsor. Just that you mentioned should invest in country that you may want to send children there/retire there. Yesn I am careful. Perhaps too careful...

Canada is good place for edu and retirement. Somehow never like the prospect of retiring in AU.

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post Aug 4 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 4 2017, 11:16 AM)
In SG? no issue ar
AU - no idea, i dont have brokerage a/c there, sorry
US - had until i found out estate law issues and liquidated/transferred to SG BUT to my own name & passport #/etc (ie can prove i transfer to myself)

Also keep in mind, if OWNER request transfers = owner supposedly still alive, thus shouldnt be estate law issue
but if "found out" later owner kaput and it's someone else representing owner... IRS (if US la) have the legal right to go after fraudster.
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just like in Malusia, i died and my wife happily go into online a/c with my userid & pwd to transfer $ out. it is by law, not legal, as all my assets are supposed to follow estate law liao.

again - above is my own reading (the right way Vs cases of ppl doing wrong way and kaboom) + practice, not lawyer here ar..
just iKuli, not a NON-expert EXPERT  notworthy.gif  sweat.gif
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For US, I rather let fund manager do all the paperwork and taxes.

Eh, like that also can? Gen-X was saying that's the best way in case something happen to him.

Told his family don't come visit me in hospital/see my dead body. First and foremost, liquidate everything and put into their name then only come and see him. That's why he put all his FD under joint account laugh.gif

QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 4 2017, 11:23 AM)
I'LL NEED TO SUPPORT THIS STATEMENT FIRST !!!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

It's really not easy at all,... I have put in lots and lots of time and 'brainjuice' in all these,... fortunately,... I control my own time in my work,... no boss to watch over me,... so,... it's not easy at all,....
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Damn tongue.gif

I have no choice. My job depend on govt until such time where I can go into private sector. sad.gif

With current issue, govt job also cannot considered iron rice bowl. Hence making preparations for worse case scenario.

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post Aug 4 2017, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(PabloTH @ Aug 4 2017, 12:07 PM)
why still got ppl buy reits? the long term return of reits is negative on average
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Who said that?
http://fifthperson.com/top-10-singapore-re...from-their-ipo/

It all depends on the manager. A good manager will make the reit profitable.

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post Aug 4 2017, 12:42 PM

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To motivate those to wait and be patient and why dividends are important...
http://paullowinvestmentjourney.blogspot.m...-folks.html?m=1
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post Aug 4 2017, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 4 2017, 01:12 PM)
so did you buy after AIMS ex date? drop abit what.  biggrin.gif
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Nope. Still too high for my liking biggrin.gif
Anyway, will see if it drop on Monday or Tuesday (like CMT, didn't drop on ex date but drop few days later).
Anyway, if nothing just wait lo sad.gif
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post Aug 4 2017, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 4 2017, 01:31 PM)
what's your targetted entry price?  biggrin.gif

saje wanna know. maybe if i saw can nudge u lol
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Below or equals 1.35

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 4 2017, 01:40 PM)
noice. if hit 1.35 i will let you know.  brows.gif
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Alright thanks. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Aug 4 2017, 04:17 PM)
where is the Uncle Chua story?
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http://createwealth8888.blogspot.my/2014/0...-long-term.html
http://createwealth8888.blogspot.my/2015/0...-long-term.html
http://createwealth8888.blogspot.my/2014/0...uncle-chua.html
http://createwealth8888.blogspot.my/2014/0...cle-chua-2.html
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Aug 4 2017, 05:48 PM)
I won't touch hospitality reits with airbnb. Last time without airbnb amd friends, maybe yes. If now, no thanks.

Even die die want to invest in tourism, there are better options for tourism section in Singapore.
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post Aug 5 2017, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 5 2017, 02:45 PM)
I have slight different view.
Premium and strategy location or prime hotel is not going to compete directly with airbnb.
It is different market segment.

The situation is a bit different with malls vs online selling.

So, those hospitality reit that having quality hotels and at strategy location one should be doing ok.
But it may be different story for those budget hotels, or secondary hotels.
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There's one article in The Star which mentioned airbnb makes hotels lose 10-20% per year.

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QUOTE(AznRicy @ Aug 5 2017, 09:29 PM)
I just done my first REITS purchase thru Maybank KE monthly investment plan after procrastinating for months.

Summary
1. Research ur stock
2. Go SG Maybank Kim Eng office to register account
3. On9 purchased your selected stock
http://dollarsandsense.sg/step-by-step-gui...vestment-plans/

4. Use POSB EPS to pay to ur Prefunded Maybank KE account

What is the next step after purchase?🤔 Any advice?
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Select what you want to buy. Money will be deducted from your prefunded account.

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