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post Dec 23 2016, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Dec 23 2016, 05:12 PM)
Any particular reason, cmt is more attractive than others?
I mean there are others offering high yield or lower BP value or gearing etc....
Just wanna hear your thoughts....
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1. Fund size is big.
2. Mall reit may weather the downturn better than office/industrial reit, aka have better normalise factor, hence distribution may be much stable.
3. High liquidity.
4. Easy to trade or even speculate upon, as it moves up and down fast.

Don't get me wrong, I do not mean other reit are inferior or less attractive as compared.

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post Jan 16 2017, 09:47 AM

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Alternatively, can spread the investment into few big cap reit to mimick the ETF, after all most funds or ETF portfolio also probably consists and heavy in big cap stocks.


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post Feb 15 2017, 10:33 PM

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Treasuries spike beyond 2.5%, potential another round of sell off coming.
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post Feb 21 2017, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 21 2017, 01:57 PM)
Ok lah, this one has very long wale.. so in bad times you will still receive steady dividends. Less risk compared to other higher yielding reits.
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Low risk, lower yield loh.
Want higher yield, need to withstand higher risk and more uncertainty ahead.

A trade off.

Want high yield with good steady reit/stocks, need to wait for sell off "carnival", that generally only occurred once to twice in a decade, based on global stock market history.

The last big sell off was 2008, almost nearly 10 years, due another one? tongue.gif

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post Mar 7 2017, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Mar 7 2017, 04:54 PM)
why ASCOTT after announce the rights.. price drop 3.8%... shareholders not happy with the purchase?

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Shareholders generally do not like right issue very much.
It may just mean shareholders need to fork out more money. tongue.gif

The reason of fall in share price may be due to
1. The right issue is priced at a quite big discount to current share price,
2. After the right issue, DPU and NAV will be diluted marginally. This is the most concern by shareholders.

Based on the report,
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...ny-acquisitions
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After the acquisition of Ascott Orchard Singapore and rights issue, Ascott REIT’s FY16 distribution per unit of 8.27 cents is expected to be 7.27 cents on a pro forma basis, and this will further increase to 7.43 cents, following the acquisitions in Germany.


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post Mar 10 2017, 08:48 AM

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Seems like rate hike is baked into the market, treasuries yield is more than 2.6%, another round of sell off of reit is expected. bruce.gif
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post Mar 22 2017, 06:51 PM

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KDC DPU plunged because of dilution of new shares issued that needed to fund the new acquisition in the last Q of 2016

While the newly acquisition properties was expected to be finalised and only start to contribute income in the first Q of 2017.


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post Mar 22 2017, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 22 2017, 06:54 PM)
then there is no problem at all!

at least for those who subscribed at 115.5.

those who did not, sold the rights and got cash, right?
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Yup, should be.

Excluded the new shares dilution, its 2016 annualised DPU (if not mistaken) is 6.68 cents, in line of most expectation.

Based on its financial report, the newly property only completed on 20 Jan 2017, so there was period no income contribution in the 4Q result.
No income, enlarge share, that's why we see big drop in DPU for 4Q.

The newly acquired property is expected to be yield accretion.

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post Mar 23 2017, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 23 2017, 09:21 AM)
$ bulls running away well as trump policies now in doubt.

us 10 yr now back to around 2.4%.

unlikely sg reit yields will spike.

sg reit prices should hold or rise marginally for now.
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With current scenario (interest rate + Trump effect) Sreit is likely going nowhere, probably stuck at range bound across.

Interest rate may not spike but lease situation is not rosy as well.

So the aim is to have a reit that can provide a stable 6~7% yield.
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post Mar 24 2017, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 24 2017, 08:16 AM)
In their presentations, they showed DPU as 1.76 and showed this in their SGX announcements:
Viva Industrial Trust Reports Earnings Results for the Fourth Quarter and Full Year of 2016

Viva Industrial Trust (VIT) has announced a distribution of 1.032 Singapore cents per Stapled Security for the period from 7 November 2016 to 31 December 2016, comprising a taxable income of 0.867 Singapore cents per Stapled Security and a tax-exempt income of 0.165 Singapore cents per Stapled Security from Viva Industrial Real Estate Investment Trust. Stapled Securityholders whose securities accounts with The Central Depository (Pte) Limited are credited with VIT Stapled Securities as on 6 February 2017 will be entitled to the distribution that will be paid on 28 February 2017.
I was paid 1.032 cents recently> Is there a difference between the two?  Is it because of the stapled security?    confused.gif
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1.032 is for 7 Nov to 31 Dec.

While for the full 4Q, they did distribute 1.76 total, means another 0.728 was paid earlier in the 4Q that make it total 1.76.
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post Mar 27 2017, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 25 2017, 12:31 PM)
Guys I want to ask. I am looking at capitalland commercial Trust vs Mapletree commercial Trust.

Understand that SG is facing a supply of offices but it's expected to end this year.  Office move their backend operation out of CBD. But capitalland commercial Trust gave a 8.x% (based on last year dividend yield) dividend yield last year. Very tempted to buy. Even if rental revision would be negative, how much can 8% drop? It won't drop to 5.x%.

Mapletree only gave 5.x%. I already have frasier centerline and capitalland mall Trust. Is it worth to switch over to capitalland? Need your opinions.
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Are you sure CCT is having 8.x yield?

Based on its latest DPU (Jun->Dec 2016), the figure is 4.69 cents, annualised 9.38 cents
Current share price 1.53

9.38/1.53 = 6.13%



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post Mar 27 2017, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 27 2017, 10:25 AM)
So cherroy, I see you more active in SG Reit now.. last time you held a lot of MY reits, if I remember correctly.

Have you now diversified into SG reit?  rclxms.gif
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Already did.

Mreit low yielding make me to look for Sreit.

Mreit generally are yielding net about 4.x%, while Sreit counterpart are yielding 5.5 up to 7%.

In fact, disposing part of Mreit and switching to Sreit.
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post Apr 2 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 2 2017, 07:04 AM)
we may just need to set aside an amt all the time to subscribe for placements - this is what we have to be careful about,.. dilution is what we have to be worriedabt only,..

Other characteristics, at present moment,.. are all positive,...
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Set aside the dilution effect, I am more concern about the need of constant forking money to subscribe the placement/right issue.

Reit is supposed to be fixed income instrument, we expect it to generate income to us, instead taking more money from shareholders.

If a reit is constantly having right issue/placement, it defies the "income instrument" purpose of reit.

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post Apr 2 2017, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 2 2017, 10:15 AM)
Since you are moving to s-reit, what's on your shopping list? laugh.gif
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I opened to all suggestion.

My current watching list are
Starhill
CapitalMall
Maple log
KDC
Ascott (after the right issue)

QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 2 2017, 10:39 AM)
I used the word 'dilution' to express the need to constantly top-up, because,... initially I kept carrying the mindset that holding this particular REIT for income defeats the very purpose of holding REITs, which is for income, which is what you said. WE are talking abt the same concern here.

But then,... let's say for a particular REIT, ...

Before a placement offering, it's giving out 3.50 cents per unit for a few million units base. We were then holding, say, 50000 units which gave us $1750 of payout.

After the placement offering, it continues to give out 3.50 cents per unit for a few million units +++ base. WE did not subscribe to the offering, and we are still holding 50000 units. WE would then still earn $1750, right ?

So... there's no dilution EVEN IF we don't fork out more money to subscribe for the offered units. We continue to reap the same amt of income even if we don't fork out more money. No more concerns, right ?
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Yes, this is ideal situation, but often right issue/private placement will be issued at a discount, so more and less there is a little dilution. Pricing of newly issued share can be crucial to determine the dilution effect as well, (Ascott is the latest example)

While if the right issue/private placement is placed at higher end and fund being used to fund a good yield accretion asset, then it is good deal, like KDC case.

Another good example of private placement is Axreit, whereby previous numbers of private placement didn't cause any dilution effect, as it used the fund raise to inject yield accretion asset, instead it improved the DPU going forwards.

I prefer to see reit manager using private placement to fund the new asset that is yield accretion, instead of right issue. Reit portfolio can be expanded, while DPU increasing while need existing shareholders fork out a single cent.


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post Apr 2 2017, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 2 2017, 04:18 PM)
I think KDC is bad.
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....el-dc-reit.html
Ascott got potential after they reach their target but again need to see whether nest year got rights some more or not.
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....ted-rights.html

Not only he said that. Other bloggers also said avoid all Keppel related reit as keppel is a bad sponsor who treat thier reit as ATM machine  sad.gif
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KDC DPU plunged in 4Q because of dilution of new right share issued that being used to fund the new property.
While new property only can start contributing income in the 1Q 2017.

Excluding the one off dilution effect, the DPU going forward is expected to be 6.6 to 7 cents, so translated yield is expected in the range about 5.7~6.1%. (I based on 1.15)

KDC is in my watch list mainly because long WALE and low gearing.

For Keppel reit, I don't know too much though.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 2 2017, 05:11 PM)
Yup, read it before.

I fully understand that DC may need more capital expenditure as compared ordinary logistic warehouses to maintain in the long term future, which is compensated by lower gearing. smile.gif
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post Apr 3 2017, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 2 2017, 11:28 PM)
I noticed that Croesus has the characteristic of dpu not dropping after a rights offering or a placement exercise. What have you discovered ?

For yr final statement, I believe a REIT that has a strong sponsor will be in the best position to achieve that. If it is an independant REIT, or the REIT has a not very-supportive or weak sponsor, such a REIT will still need to tap funds from the investors.
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Will look into Croesus to find out, thanks for the suggestion.

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May be need to wait for "sell in May, go away" stock market myth. bruce.gif
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post Apr 6 2017, 09:56 AM

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Investing using margin is just like "Double down.
You win double, if everything fine, but you lose double (edited, + borrowing cost) when situation unfavourable.

Worst, share being forced sell when cannot meet the margin call, and all loss + borrowing cost are realised, then the end of the trade.

Last time, plenty of people as well as bankers are promoting investing using borrowed USD (especially during the height of QE), zero interest rate, USD plunging down, whereby borrowing cost can be as low as 2%, while everyone saw USD only has one way to go, aka down, due to massive debt, severe deficit, printing money non-stop etc..

Borrowed 2%, invest in other asset class that with yield 5-7%, just like free money is for taken.

But after 5-6 years later, see where is USD now.

So do not take for granted. Situation can change over time.

Often we heard the success story of how people get rich, earn big buck/easy money using margin/borrowing, but at the same time, there are people losing money as well, which generally we won't hear as generally people won't be sharing their losing trade, that may be including professional fund/portfolio/hedge fund manager...

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post Apr 7 2017, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 7 2017, 01:44 AM)
Hopefully reits will start to reverse gear, bank of india did a surprise tightening of the repo market sending short term rates up. Thailand says might do the same soon.

Fed minutes show that, they are not just raising interest rate, but they want to start selling their 4.5 trillion of bonds they are holding. This will affect bond prices more than rate increase.

Germany is having a spat with ECB on the stimulus, germany wants to reduce the ECB stimulus as soon as possible.

Cream on the crop will be if SGD monetary policy appreaciate higher. smile.gif
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Fed intention to unwind the "QE" bonds will put a dent on reit bull, which we already seen some softening across after the Fed minutes.

At the same time, watch out the equities bull as well.






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