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post Feb 28 2022, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 28 2022, 04:23 PM)
Tq to TOS for this update,... appreciated your time and effort spent here.

Out of 117 props occupied by the DWP, 100 has been re-geared. Another 17 has not,... These 17 props contribute to 10.3% of the total portfolio by GRI. Wonder what's the reason for the DWP not to re-gear these 17 props...

At worst case, with all else equal, IF this 10.3% 'exercises' the lease-break in March 2023, our dpu will 'suffer' a 10.3% drop vs dpu payout for FY2021. We will know next month.
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Good point, bro.

I have asked the IR of Elite about these 17 properties. I think if the options are exercised, they will have a year to address this.
Get a new tenant or renegotiate with DWP. Or sell.
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post Feb 28 2022, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 28 2022, 04:23 PM)
Tq to TOS for this update,... appreciated your time and effort spent here.

Out of 117 props occupied by the DWP, 100 has been re-geared. Another 17 has not,... These 17 props contribute to 10.3% of the total portfolio by GRI. Wonder what's the reason for the DWP not to re-gear these 17 props...

At worst case, with all else equal, IF this 10.3% 'exercises' the lease-break in March 2023, our dpu will 'suffer' a 10.3% drop vs dpu payout for FY2021. We will know next month.
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So I asked IR :

What about the 17 properties out of the 117 whose lease options were not removed?

What will happen to these properties?

Do we assume that the options will be exercised or are negotiations with the tenant still ongoing?

The answer:

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Currently, DWP has not confirm on their position for these assets.  However, the Manager do not expect that the tenant will exercise breaks on all of them. If a notice is to be served to exercise the lease break option, the tenant has to give a 12 months’ notice, which means by March 2022. We will update the market wherever there are material developments on this front. More details will be provided at the appropriate time.

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post Mar 1 2022, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 1 2022, 06:42 AM)
Sorry, I don’t understand. Why buying Singapore reits can ended up earning sterling pounds?
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You can buy SREiTs which are denominated in foreign currencies such as GBP, EURO and USD apart from the SGD.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 1 2022, 07:41 AM)
Elite commercial REIT is a REIT which have all its properties in England. The tenant is the UK govt.

And I think they pay 6% in GBP. Hence tax free GBP as sg reits are tax free.
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You are out of touch. biggrin.gif
Elite is paying 9% yield at its present price.
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post Mar 1 2022, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 1 2022, 08:12 AM)
Oh I see. Didn’t know there is a Singapore reit with all the properties in UK. Seems like a good buy .
Then normally people here buy in which denomination.

Sorry, I am very new to this, so I not sure where to start 🥲
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Normally it is SGD. But if you wish to diversify, you invest in GBP Reits like Elite Commercial Reit. EURO in IREIT Global, Cromwell or USD in Manulife, Kep Oaks, etc.

But before that, best to read up on SREITs first.
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post Mar 1 2022, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 1 2022, 08:52 AM)
I see. Thank you so much for the explanation.

Read up on the SREITs in this context means reading those specific links that our fellow members have posted in this thread?

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Go to page original post to start.
BTW SREITs is not for active trading. It's more for passive income from the nice dividends.
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post Mar 2 2022, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 1 2022, 07:57 PM)
Bro,... if you look at the Powerpt Presentation of the Re-Gearing exercise, there is a sentence inside that says :-

It was also agreed that 11 out of the 100 properties, which amount to 5.3% of the total portfolio by GRI(1), will have rent reductions that will take effect in April 2023. And : For the avoidance of doubt, leases with a reduced rent will still be subject to the rent review provisions set out in the leases, providing built-in upside.
Don't know how much is the rent reduction for these 11 props ? The rent reductions are probably the incentives for The DWP to extend their leases on the 100 props ?
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5.3 % is pretty small. In any case the lease has been extended to 2028 for a reduction is a good deal. This rent will be inflated along the way by the rent reviews in future.

i am more worried about the 20% of properties whose options have not been de geared yet.

Presently, even with a 10% reduction in DPU, we are still reaping 8% yield at this price, not withstanding the requirement to carry the AEI.
i am ok with this range of yields.

Updated presentation here: https://investor.elitecreit.com/newsroom/20...ZDHUGJ7E1.1.pdf

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post Mar 3 2022, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Mar 3 2022, 11:56 AM)
Dong question, for US based reits listed in SGX eg: Utdhampshire, are malaysians subject to 30% tax? tq
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No. They are not subject to the 30% with holding tax presently as certain offshore corporate setups are mitigating this.
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post Mar 4 2022, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Mar 4 2022, 10:38 AM)
looking at /  researching about SREIT for the past week or so and still couldn't wrap my head around it just yet. it doesn't help when i don't really know the landscape in SG personally, unlike MREIT.

can anyone suggest a few of your REIT suggestion as of now? I know everyone is different and diff REIT (DC, industrial, retails) for sure is different beasts but just looking at having a few suggestion so i can dive deeper.

I'm not going to rush in blindly, coz my current focus in US market but it will be a good time to pick up the knowledge and establish and understanding since the idea is to have SREIT/SG bank stock as a stable dividend and leverage against MYR.

I'm looking at ELITE, KEPPEL DC and Mapletree (unsure which of 3 yet is better) currently.
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Maybe easier if you shoot the questions.
I have Elite. Its been pretty good thus far.

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post Mar 4 2022, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Mar 4 2022, 10:49 AM)
and i thank you for the pdf file! its a good start.
i don't have much specific questions per se now, more like feeling my way in for now.

however, looking at elite, i do have a question now. the price is 0.6x now, showing in my tiger broker, and its listed in SGX.
but everywhere i google, it shows the price is 0.6x GBP?

I'm lost at the actual price laugh.gif
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It's GBP. NOT SGD.
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post Mar 4 2022, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Mar 4 2022, 11:08 AM)
so..........i need to exchange my MYR to GBP and then purchase in SGX? (via tiger broker)
sorry i really not familiar with this situation lol even from a stock market perspective  laugh.gif
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I am not familiar with Tiger brokers.
Presumably there will be some foreign someway.
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post Mar 17 2022, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 17 2022, 01:32 PM)
You don't have to subscribe to the cash calls if you don't wish to. The cash call must be for something that is dpu-accretive and the unit must be priced above your holding price.
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Bro, If you do not subscribe to the calls, will this not dilute your holdings?
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post Apr 2 2022, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 2 2022, 12:45 AM)
Indirectly it's a gun. You don't cough up cash you get diluted. Means lesser payout overtime.
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If the investments are accretive, there is no issue. Means more dividends.
I actually hate private placements more than rights issues. The former means you do not even have a choice! And it is normally given placed at large discounts.
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post Apr 2 2022, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 2 2022, 08:52 AM)
True. But I don't like companies keep asking me for money. I rather they give me money. laugh.gif

Private placement basically rights for HNWI/UHMWI
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Then you should not be in Reits. Since they have distribute 90% of their income, they will need funds from somewhere to grow.
Like i said, if it is accretive to the DPU, no complaints. It is similar to buying the stock for the first time. You need cash. Nothing is free
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QUOTE(dadpro97 @ Apr 2 2022, 09:27 AM)
Guys does s-reits have taxation on foreigner like us stock (30%) for dividend payout?
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No. There is NO Singapore tax on dividends from SREITs.

Sorry for the mis type! laugh.gif

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post Apr 5 2022, 09:04 AM

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https://www.syfe.com/magazine/singapore-rei...ahead-for-2022/

S-REITs in Rising Rates
REITs, along with other capital intensive sectors, are sensitive to interest rates, given the impact on borrowing costs and yield spreads. S-REITs have been managing their interest rate exposures actively. According to SGX, on average, close to 75% of S-REITs’ current debts are either in fixed rates or hedged through floating-to-fixed interest rate swaps.

In addition, S-REITs currently have an average gearing ratio of 37%, comfortably below the regulatory threshold of 50%. Gearing ratio, which measures leverage, is calculated by dividing total borrowings by total assets. A lower gearing ratio below the threshold implies healthy balance sheets and that S-REITs can service their debt and still have room to raise more debt (if and when needed) for additional acquisitions or operations.

Looking at periods in the past where the Fed funds rate has increased along with the 3m SIBOR rate, the performance of S-REITs have been mixed.

During the taper tantrum of 2013, S-REITs fell by close to 17% over 9 months. In 2015, where global markets experienced a sell-off with the Greek debt default, a sharp fall in petroleum prices, and slowing growth in China, S-REITs fell 9% over 8 months.

However, from the time we saw the first rate hike in late 2015 to when the Fed funds rate hit 2.25% -2.5% (the highest in ten years), S-REITs delivered stellar performance of almost 73%.

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So far this year, S-REITs have taken the first rate hike in March 2022 in stride, gaining 4.5% over the month ending March 31, 2022.


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post Apr 5 2022, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 5 2022, 09:09 AM)
While they have a point, don't read too much into these types of articles. Syfe writes this to earn more profits from fees as a % of AUM, i.e. to encourage you to invest. So they can be slightly biased, not unlike FSM's articles. They all tend to be somewhat positively-biased.

*Principal-agent problem: Their motives are not aligned with yours.
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Good to have some historical facts during inflationary periods.
The rest is up to the individual to interpret these numbers.
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post Apr 8 2022, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 8 2022, 02:00 PM)
https://www.sgx.com/securities/equities/BWCU

EC World REIT finally in trouble.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-...oan-refinancing

The risk is refinancing is well illustrated here. If creditors refuse to approve refinancing, the current liabilities will exceed current assets in short term.

The same is true for other REITs.

Better hope the refinancing can be completed in time.
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Good thing i sold earlier. Getting a bit jittery.
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post Apr 8 2022, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Apr 8 2022, 04:22 PM)
Everyone just be careful REIT stock just like any stock listed in SGX can go bankrupt delisted etc corporate action. I used to think REIT stock would be relatively safer than those individual company stock but man I was so wrong. My Soilbuild REIT get delisted at a price lower than IPO. As the saying goes "investment comes with risk" and REIT stock that pay dividends are no exceptions either.
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Well. Even Fixed Deposits have risks. laugh.gif
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post Apr 8 2022, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Apr 8 2022, 05:34 PM)
FD risk is bank close shop agree. For Spore banks not sure if happen before since I was born but banks get merged with other banks does happen. Can share Msia banks close shop happen before ?
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During Asian Financial crisis, many Msian banks were forced to merge. Not sure which banks gained or lost at the time of the mergers. i think the smaller banks shareholders did better as they were gobbled up by the bigger banks.
those who actually went bankrupt probably none or very rare as another bank will come in to take over.
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post Apr 9 2022, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 8 2022, 11:53 PM)
for the ukraine event... start to lowest... sp500 dropped 14%.... nasdaq and msft dropped 21%... goog 18%... visa 20%... adobe 40%...

walmart on the other hand dropped only 8%... and now bounced stronger went up making ath... <<< defensive stock... while your list are still languishing... so in the event of a recession... your stocks probably gg... i.e., not defensive... wink.gif

anyways... you can buy itm puts for protection... so all is fine... smile.gif
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SREIts did not drop so much during this Ukraine crisis. i only managed to load a few on corrections after disposing of my EC world reit.

On defensive stocks whether thick or thin, try infrastructure stocks. biggrin.gif

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