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post Sep 15 2015, 11:31 AM

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A week before the Federal Reserve’s most critical policy decision in years, Wall Street opinion makers can’t agree on anything.
Not only is there no consensus about whether the Fed will end its seven-year-old policy of zero interest rates, but views on the fallout from such a move are wildly disparate.
There are some, like hedge-fund titan Ray Dalio, who say a rate increase will prove an epic blunder in the face of a vulnerable global economy, prompting policy makers to abruptly reverse course and start printing money again. There are others, such as Citigroup Inc. economist William Lee, who say the expansion is healthy enough seven years after the financial crisis to withstand higher rates. Next week’s increase will be the first of several over the course of the next year, they argue.
Guy Haselmann, a Scotiabank strategist, says that in his nearly three decades on the Street he’s never seen such confusion. Much of that, he notes, is the result of the “mixed messages coming out of the Fed.” One day, a Fed member is expounding on the benefits to delaying a hike, and the next, another is calling for action now.
But the extreme nature of the discord among traders and analysts underscores a bigger, and more important, point: The stakes are high for Fed policy makers right now. Get this decision wrong, and it could deal a big blow to the economy and to their credibility.
Policy Error?
The Fed is slated to announce its decision on Sept. 17, at the conclusion of its two-day meeting. As of the close of trading on Thursday, futures traders assigned a 28 percent chance that the rate will be lifted a quarter-point to a range of 0.25 percent to 0.5 percent. Analysts are a bit more sure there’ll be a hike, with about half of the 81 surveyed by Bloomberg predicting one.
As divided as the market is on that decision, it’s the aftermath that stirs the real split. In the global-economy-is-too-weak camp, Dalio has plenty of company. Names like Krishna Memani, chief investment officer of OppenheimerFunds Inc., and Larry Summers, the former Treasury Secretary and Harvard University president. Memani, like Dalio, says the increase will prove so premature that policy makers will find themselves having to resort to another round of quantitative easing to resuscitate growth.
While the U.S. expansion has been stable, "that’s not looking at the full evidence,” Memani said. He pointed to the heavy debt burdens of developing economies like China that could weigh down growth.
‘Something Different’
On the other side, Citigroup’s Lee is joined by people like Haselmann and Peter Tchir of Brean Capital LLC. An increase next week, in their view, is warranted -- even necessary.
"Seven years at zero doesn’t seem to have fixed everything,” Tchir said.
“So let’s try something different.”
He puts an unusual twist on last month’s market volatility: It underscored the need for the Fed to start raising rates, rather than holding off longer. Historically accommodative monetary policy has supported too much risk-taking by investors, he said.
Somewhere between the two camps is a middle ground made up of people like Alex Roever, head of U.S. rates strategy at JPMorgan Chase & Co. There’s a risk that bond traders are underestimating the pace of rate increases, which could complicate the tightening process by jarring the market. Even if that’s the case, policy makers may not need to reverse right away, he says.
Roever’s team predicts two-year Treasury yields will approach 1.7 percent in a year, from 0.71 percent Friday.
This rate cycle may be tougher for investors to navigate because of challenges at home and abroad, according to the strategist.
"It’s more complicated monetary policy now," Roever said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...essage-on-rates
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post Sep 16 2015, 03:14 PM

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Fed Rate Hike? If You Believe in Magic
As central-bank watchers debate the likelihood of the Federal Reserve voting to raise interest rates this month, some of the smartest guys in the room are leaning in the other direction and speculating there will be more quantitative easing, not less. Last month, former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers and hedge-fund manager Ray Dalio both predicted the Fed might need to restart its bond-buying program to extinguish the threat of deflation. This week, Citigroup chief economist Willem Buiter went a step further, warning that the world risks toppling back into recession in the next two years if central banks don't accelerate their efforts to pump cash into the economy.

The End of QE?

It's worth revisiting Ben Bernanke's November 2002 speech on "Deflation: Making Sure `It' Doesn't Happen Here," as a way of highlighting just how bizarre the current economic situation is. Bernanke, then a Fed governor who went on to serve as chairman from 2006 to 2014, was riffing off the economist Milton Friedman's suggestion that central banks can resort to dropping money from helicopters as a way of stimulating growth:

The U.S. government has a technology called a printing press that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. A determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation. Sufficient injections of money will ultimately always reverse a deflation.

That's all well and good -- in theory. In practice, exorcising the demon of deflation turns out to be a lot harder than Bernanke envisaged. Even after the Fed expanded its balance sheet by more than $3.5 trillion from the start of QE in 2009 to its end in October 2014, disinflation persists. The average annual increase in U.S. consumer prices this year is just 0.1 percent; and it's been more than a year since inflation was at the Fed's 2 percent target.

Traders in the money markets have been scaling back their expectations for a Fed move at the Sept. 16-17 policy meeting. As of yesterday, prices in the futures and options market suggest there's a 30 percent chance of an increase, down from 32 percent a week ago and 48 percent a month ago:

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Dalio, whose Bridgewater hedge-fund manages about $169 billion, told his investors last month that "it should now be apparent that the risks of deflationary contractions are increasing relative to the risks of inflationary expansion." That means the "next big Fed move will be to ease (via QE) rather than to tighten," he said. On Wednesday, Harvard professor Summers repeated his Aug. 23 call for the Fed to leave policy on hold, saying "the case against a rate increase has become somewhat more compelling."

Citigroup's Buiter, a former Bank of England policy maker, argues that a global recession is "a high and rapidly rising risk" and "may well now be the most likely outcome over the next few years." He advocates money-printing for China, the U.S., the U.K. and the euro region, with governments issuing bonds that their central banks then buy:

Even the belated application of helicopter money drops in the cyclically afflicted countries can ensure that the coming bout of cyclical stagnation does not worsen the problem of secular stagnation.

It isn't clear to me why more QE is the answer to the economy's failure thus far to respond to previous QE. But when some of the smartest people in finance are arguing for yet more monetary stimulus, it would be a pretty brave move for the Fed (or indeed the Bank of England) to start pushing up borrowing costs.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015...as-raining-cash
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post Sep 18 2015, 08:25 AM

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As expected, no change. smile.gif
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post Sep 19 2015, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 18 2015, 12:31 PM)
Hopefully no need to wait for another month. If something bad out of China between now and that October date for Janet Yellen to speak again, then the chance comes again.

SOmehow,... I am beginning to lose hope that I can depend on the Feds to help me,...us to be able to buy-in cheaper for SG REITs. Must look for other stimulus news already.
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China may devalue thevyuan again?
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post Sep 22 2015, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 11:03 AM)
If you want to invest in international reits, you got to keep informed on forex and macroeconomics.

Lippo Malls yield is initially high, but it is denominated in IDR, and when IDR falls vs SGD, the yield hence price falls with it. The malls under lippo is doing ok, there are rental revision upwards, but they cannot fight versus forex headwinds.

Some securities cannot hold forever, there are times to buy and there are times to let go. You need to asses your REIT holdings at least once per Quarter. If the REIT no longer fulfills your objectives (in terms of yield, asset class or asset quality) they you have to look for more suitable candidate.
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What's your take on Yen vs SGD since many here have Croesus and Saizen?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:01 PM)
Yen > MYR at the moment

SGD > Yen however..

But yen is not so volatile vs USD

The best thing is the ultra cheap interest rate, which makes the yield high.  tongue.gif

But then hor, please monitor JPY-SGD pair if you want to buy these reits.  icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SGDJPY:CUR
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More on the SGD:JPY

Think Abe-NOmics is coming to a stand. If Japan's economy does not improve, my take is they will do worse compared with SG.
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:15 PM)
I not so worry about the economy.. more worried about the amount of loans they have.

The loan amount is already exceed GDP..  wink.gif

But then again USA also got boat load of loans, economy also doing so so, but look how the currency fares.  wink.gif
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SG loan also high.

Is that national debt or consumer debt?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:20 PM)
National debt.. yes SG is high, but Japan is hgher.

On currency stability is mostly depend if the government is stable (low risk).. not so much about loans, trade balance, foreign reserve etc although they do factor in.

Look at Malaysia's basket case recently... it is due to political instability..rather than economic instability nod.gif
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SG sound good then. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:25 PM)
Did you know which currency perform even better than SGD vs USD..?  brows.gif

There are a couple of reits in SGX in that currency..  brows.gif

3 Guesses  laugh.gif
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IDR............ biggrin.gif

Yuan..........China Reits
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:27 PM)
Wrong!!!!  tongue.gif

1 more guess left  icon_idea.gif
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Nolah......German IRIET
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:31 PM

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Japon?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:32 PM)
Nope.. look at link above.  biggrin.gif

Happy investing!  laugh.gif
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Huh?

Yankee? rclxub.gif
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:34 PM)
Sorry link fixed now..  laugh.gif

USD > All  rclxms.gif
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Which S Reits is USD income?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:36 PM

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Hong kee Assets?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:37 PM)
YUP.  brows.gif
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Which S Reits having HK Assets?
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post Sep 22 2015, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 12:39 PM)
Hehe happy searching..  tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2015, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 22 2015, 01:52 PM)
Ala.. so difficult meh to look for Hk based reits..  tongue.gif

1. Fortune RETt - HKD Mall & commercial reit
2. HPH trust - Hk & China ports
3. Maple Tree GCC - Hk & China Malls
4. Asian Pay TV - Taiwan Cable (Yes it is not HKD, but TWD = HKD > SGD)

There..  whistling.gif

Disclaimer : I own some of the securities above. The above is not a offer to buy or sell.
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Thank You ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL biggrin.gif

i only know Maple Tree GCC
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post Oct 1 2015, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 1 2015, 08:09 AM)
Is it ? For those who have CDP account under their name, I think they are not entitled to the rights if they don't have Singapore address.

I have a Singapore address so I am ok.
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Is this true?
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post Oct 1 2015, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 1 2015, 03:29 PM)
Yes. I try to search for the announcement/circular later...
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If true, then might just wait after rights before buying again.

i am asking my stockbroker to confirm
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post Oct 1 2015, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 1 2015, 04:25 PM)
Thanks..looks like we can't get those rights! sad.gif

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