QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 27 2013, 09:03 PM)
7-8% also possible. REIT V4, Real Estate Investment Trust
REIT V4, Real Estate Investment Trust
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Aug 28 2013, 03:57 AM
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Interesting read.
Bond traders are fighting the Fed. Who's going win? Only time will tell. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchang...-190943760.html |
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Aug 28 2013, 01:27 PM
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m-reits are marching towards net yield of 6%....
while s-reits towards 7-8%... cmmt and sunreit at current price already net yield 5.7-5.9%, igbreit and pavreit close to 5.5%, hektar above 7%. Axreit still behind at 5.2%. This post has been edited by yok70: Aug 28 2013, 01:30 PM |
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Aug 29 2013, 01:50 PM
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received igbreit dividend.
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Aug 31 2013, 04:01 AM
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cash is king!
dividend continues come more please. |
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Aug 31 2013, 06:01 PM
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axreit also mari already.
cmmt, igbreit, stareit. fat loh this month. can eat abalone. |
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Sep 1 2013, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 1 2013, 12:45 AM) reit now weighted 36% of my portfolio, I think it's a comfortable level for me. No plan to add more at this moment unless more sales coming, but I doubt that. My wild guess is it's going to recover as US debt ceiling deadline approaching + war uncertainty + QE tapering....this QE thing, I really can't figure what makes it a reason for bond as a lower risk investment being selling down, it should be bullish for bond since uncertainty increases, no? This post has been edited by yok70: Sep 1 2013, 01:20 AM |
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Sep 1 2013, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 1 2013, 08:54 AM) Bond has been rising a lot lately few years, after massive QE adopted, now it is giving back those gain only. ahh... |
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Sep 2 2013, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Sep 2 2013, 09:01 AM) I'm afraid I don't agree with what he said about "if bought at lower price, hold. If bought at higher price, sell."As an investor, the selling should be triggered by current price/valuation/TA graph, whichever that is, and has nothing to do with buying price. |
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Sep 3 2013, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Sep 3 2013, 06:02 PM) As a result, do you think it is still a good buy now? Unless you are happy with the return rate given by the REITs now and able to hold it for a long period, or else I don't think it is a good bet in Malaysia. This question is questionable. If not intent to hold for a long period, should not buy REIT as it is generally under low-growth stock segment. Consider long term, I mean 10 years or so kind of long term. I quite positive of rental increment in the future as money should become cheaper and cheaper that 1 month rental today maybe can only buy 1 lamb shank meal 10 years later, how can rental not increasing? Consider buying property for rental, to hold it for 10 years is just very common. Past 3 years has been misleading (to me as well) as REITs capital gain even won over many other stocks. So this writer is also confused of what REIT is. Just my view. This post has been edited by yok70: Sep 3 2013, 07:04 PM |
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Sep 3 2013, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 3 2013, 09:13 PM) I do not understand why so many said interest rate is going to rise. The fear, I think, comes from that merely 0.25% rate hike, it's already a 8.3% hike from current 3%.With economy become slower, there is remote chance for BNM to raise rate. The only way that force BNM to raise rate is capital flight like Indonesia, but as compared Malaysia has both trade surplus and current account surplus, and ok foreign currency reserves, while Indonesia is facing both deficit, and lower foreign currency reserves as compared. In fact look at FD rate around, and banks hardly give good FD promotion around. All around OPR rate only. If the rate is set to rise, many banks will rush to offer long term FD to lock up the rate already, which is little showing out there. Unless the current account register big deficit number and shrinking foreign currency reserves, there is remote chance for interest rate to rise for near to mid term. If we have just this little 0.25% rate hike by 2015, as REIT holder, we need the REIT to be able to increase their income by at least 8.3% (ignoring the increase of cost by paying loan interest) in order to stay flat without potential valuation degrading. And many people believe property bubble is happening in Malaysia (they have been talking on this since at least 2-3 years ago), so they think it's hard to wish for rental increment. In fact, they worry that rental may even decrease in future caused by oversupply. However, MIDA suggests to lower interest rate so that it could boost consuming power and trigger more private investments. |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 3 2013, 10:09 PM) There is very remote chance the BNM will rise rate at this moment. I agree. I wish the steady and superb Zeti can continue the job for the next 20 years. Normally central bank raise rate because 1. Overheat economy, want it to slow down 2. Capital flight (like Indonesia currently, and like 1997 crisis). 3. Tame inflation rate, but at the moment, CPI is at modest But at the moment we already see shrinking export, slowing GDP number already. So without 1,2,3 and slowing economy, why BNM want to raise rate? If want to curb excessive property bubble, then can do through like 3rd property LTV, tighten loan requirement, RPGT and many more, instead raise rate. Yes, it is hard to wish rental increment. Even though property price escalate a lot for the last few year, rental market is not following the property price. |
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QUOTE(Martinis @ Sep 3 2013, 10:38 PM) Due to gearing ratio of less than 0.30 most of the time, rental need not increase by the same 8.3% to offset increase in interest cost. Am I right? In fact, rental only need to increase by 2.5% for every 0.25% increase in interest. I could be wrong though. You misunderstood. The 8.3% is about spread between REIT's yield vs FD rate.The 8.3% should be higher if to include the raising cost of higher interest rate. We may take 1% for increment of loan cost, then income should be 9.3% in order to be on par with 0.25% rate hike. |
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 4 2013, 04:41 PM) Capitamalls sees 22m units traded off-market got Fund coming in, very nice. Capitamalls Malaysia Trust (CCMT) saw 22 million units traded off-market on Wednesday at an average of RM1.45 each. Stock market data showed the 1.24% stake was traded at seven sen below the market price of RM1.52. At 3.59pm, CMMT was unchanged at RM1.52. CMMT invests, on a long-term basis, in income-producing real estate which is primarily used for retail purposes and located primarily in Malaysia. Its shopping mall portfolio comprises Gurney Plaza in Penang, a significant interest in Sungei Wang Plaza in Kuala Lumpur, The Mines in Selangor and East Coast Mall in Kuantan, Pahang. As at Dec 31, 2012, the net lettable area of the portfolio was over 2.4 million square feet (sq ft). |
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QUOTE(Martinis @ Sep 4 2013, 04:32 PM) Your example is valid if REIT is using 100% loan, which is not the case. They are using 30% loan. you still miss the point.When OPR increase by 25 basis point or 0.25, or an increase of 8.3%, cost of funds increases by 30% * 8.3%. Rental has to increase by this amount which is 2.5% to cover the increase in interest expenses. if FD gives 3% yield, REIT gives 3% yield, will you buy REIT or put in FD? therefore, if FD gives 3%, REIT needs to give maybe 5%, then only people want to buy REIT. if FD up 0.25% to 3.25% (up 8.3%), REIT's yield also need to up until 5.25% in order to give a premium of 2% for the higher risk it takes. So that's a 5.25/5 = 5% up. if REIT needs to give yield of 5% up, then REIT's share price need to lower by 5/5.25 - 1 = 4.76%. Gark's calculation is precise, mine is not precise. This post has been edited by yok70: Sep 4 2013, 05:04 PM |
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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 4 2013, 05:01 PM) This is relation ship between yield and price, which is what we are seeing now, bond yield goes up, REIT price drop to reflect higher yield to match bond yield. Similarly OPR or interest rate is also affects the required REIT yield. If the REIT cannot grow it's earning to match the required yield, price will be sold down until the yield is reached. Wondering if there would be a day where the story turnaround: MGS yield needs to be at premium from REIT's yield where people has more confidence on the REIT company than government. |
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